Haval (GWM) Cars, What's Your Opinion?

JustASmoothSkin on 10/05/2021 - 20:30
Last edited 02/06/2021 - 10:37 by 1 other user

Howdy, So last week my girlfriend wrote off her 2016 daewoo Holden Barina and we are now in the market for a new car to replace it as her daily. Luckily we have been looking to replace the Barina for the last couple months anyway as the engine is missing at low rpm when under load (like a sharp u-turn) and it felt like a matter of time before it would die. So we have been scoping out cars for a while and originally settled on the Hyundai i30 before deciding to give small SUV's a go for the kerb clearance and utility.

We had then decided on the Hyundai Kona or the Kia Seltos but both are currently difficult to get in WA because of car shortages, So today I stumbled upon a Holden yard and found Haval branded cars. From what I can gather they are Great Wall Motors SUV range of cars and honestly they look pretty alright. We found the Haval Jolion and it ticks all the boxes we have. Comfortable front and rear, Safety features everywhere, Nice colour selection. Only thing I am iffy about is I have never owned a Great Wall vehicle and don't know how well they hold up in terms of reliability and how tedious it could be to deal with anything that may need to be repaired under warranty.

Have you owned a Haval or Great Wall vehicle? What was your experience? Know anything we should know about the Haval brand or Jolion in particular?

Car Specs:
2021 Haval Jolion
110KW 210Nm Inline 4 turbocharge petrol engine (Mitsubishi built engine)
7-Speed DCT Auto Transmission
Front Wheel Drive
Most modern safety features as standard
5 Seater (I am 6'5" and I can comfortably sit in the rear seats behind my usual seating position)
Base model is $27,990 and top model is $30,990 plus $450 for paint if you don't want white.

In my opinion, it's really nice value for what is displayed. Almost self driving with how much "safety" has been jammed in, Audio system sounds pretty great, ride is fairly comfortable if a little bit soft but it has options that change throttle response, shift timing and steering stiffness. Interior is very modern and very nice. Some hard scratchy plastics but most of it is upholstered in faux leather and a carbon fiber-esque finish. Huge clear dash cluster and responsive nicely designed infotainment unit (doesn't appear to have GPS built in but supports apple carplay and android auto) Car seats are fairly plush and sport orientated. 7 Year Unlimited KM Warranty.

Only misgivings I have is cup-holder in the center console is strange as it's one full size cup and a shot-glass holder? Engine is not as powerful as I would personally like (But it doesn't feel under-powered or sluggish) Indicator stalk and wiper stalks are the wrong way around, (Left side has the indicator) Door pockets won't fit anything much larger then a 600ml water bottle and android auto is wire.

I have been invited to come by again Wednesday as they expect to have the new Gen 3 Haval H6, Slightly larger, similar interior but with a 2.0Ltr turbocharged petrol making 150KW 320Nm and all wheel drive which would be nice.

https://gwmhaval.com.au/jolion

UPDATE: Well after going around and revisiting the competition we settled on the Haval H6 Ultra 4X4 in "Energy Green" (More of a sky blue in person)
Glad we did, should have it within the month and now that all the reviews are starting to come in for it we are pretty certain we have made the right choice. Carsguide and Carsadvice are rating it 7.9 and 7.8 respectively.

https://www.caradvice.com.au/948181/2021-haval-h6-review/
https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-reviews/haval-h6-2021-revie…

Also for those that don't like to read words (Don't understand how you got to this point considering the words above"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0To2lqgiH8c

Picture of "Energy Green" coloured H6 for those interested. (Not the one we got as we wanted the "Ultra" Spec all wheel drive variant.)

https://imgur.com/a/c4JI6hL

UPDATE: 02/06/21

They have had to modify the chassis as the quoted 2 tonne towing was going to likely be too hard and damaging to the vehicle as it was. Slight delay but glad they are being proactive. They have also fixed Android auto so now that should be something they can update when I pick it up.

Automotive Haval

Comments

  • Miami Mall Alien on 10/05/2021 - 20:55
    +14

    110KW 210Nm Inline 4 turbocharge petrol engine (Mitsubishi built engine)

    Yeah… from circa 1985, so that's hardly a talking point.

    If it's anything like its predecessor, the H2, it'll use the GW4G15B engine or some variant, which is an ancient 1.5L Mitsubishi engine first used in Mitsubishi Mirages, Colts and Lancers back in the late 80s and early 90s and is now the workhorse motor of choice for all of the car brands you've never heard of, such as: Proton, BYD, Soueast, Zotye, Geely and Yusheng.

    Only misgivings I have is cup-holder in the center console is strange as it's one full size cup and a shot-glass holder?

    Lol. I think the bigger concern is that barely any of Great Wall's vehicles (Haval is a subsidiary) have achieved a 5-star ANCAP safety rating and most struggle to get 2 or 3 stars.

    Generally, they are not as reliable as an equivalent Japanese vehicle of the same price bracket; though I have heard more complaints related to Great Wall andLDV branded vehicles than I have about Haval specifically, but that's probably because Haval is the much newer kid on the block, having been launched in 2013.

    • bloom on 10/05/2021 - 21:01
      +8

      Bad cup holder is a deal breaker

    • JustASmoothSkin on 10/05/2021 - 21:02

      Yeah, Agreed. It's a issue at the moment that I can't find any safety related ratings for Jolion. It seems they didn't do ancap or euro ncap for it. Closest I have is Haval H2 (Oct 2015 – onwards) with ancap back in 2017 for 5 stars but that was 4 years ago. Though personal opinion is 5 stars back then with all the safety stuff from now would still reward a good score.

      • Miami Mall Alien on 10/05/2021 - 21:09
        +2

        I can't find any safety related ratings for Jolion

        That's because there aren't any.

        The Jolion has yet to be ANCAP or Euro NCAP tested, so that's a big unknown variable, especially with a Chinese vehicle.

        Yes, the H2 had a 5-star ANCAP rating in 2017 but given how much more stringent the ANCAP standard has become now, that means little and it means even less in the case of the Jolion which uses a different platform/chassis.

        The other common complaint with the H2's engine was turbo lag (along with only having decent power delivery in a very narrow band of revs) and I'd be amazed if the Jolion doesn't suffer from the same problem given it's probably using the same engine.

        • saliya on 10/05/2021 - 22:52

          The reviewer clearly doesn't know the difference between turbo lag (throttle response delay, normally "only considered above boost threshold") and boost threshold (no boost below X RPM); which makes me wonder about the rest of the review.

        • JustASmoothSkin on 10/05/2021 - 22:52

          Yeah that's right, new platform. Another thing to jot onto the notepad to ask, wonder If I can get their head office to put words on paper that they can regret later.

    • mbck on 10/05/2021 - 21:26

      won't they have updated the engines even though it was first made in 80s? The mirage had like 80kw, but these haval has 110kw. So do they update the engines?

      • brendanm on 10/05/2021 - 21:34
        +5

        This is turbocharged, mirage is not. They do the opposite of updating them, they buy the design, and then make them, poorly, themselves.

        • woodg on 10/05/2021 - 22:45

          Do they really buy (properly licence) the design, or do they simply copy (pirate?) the design?

          • JustASmoothSkin on 10/05/2021 - 22:56

            @woodg: Considering they call it a Mitsubishi engine, probably own the rights. But yeah. Old as heck engine that's been stretched to the point that it is quite literally known as " one of the longest living Japanese engines still in production "

            Kinda a testament to old Mitsubishi engineering though, that your nearly 50 year old engine design is still in most part being produced to this day.

          • brendanm on 11/05/2021 - 20:47

            @woodg: They buy it. Probably costs them $10, the designs are almost as old as the universe itself.

    • bazingaa on 11/05/2021 - 00:55

      Old Mitsubishi Orion & Saturn engines are reliable work horses. I got a project car, a Lancer C12A with a carbed 4G15 from 1986. It is a good and reliable engine. Even JDM Lancer CS2 (Lancer CG/CH family in here which are CS7 & CS9) got the same engine but with GDI. But I doubt about the other parts of this car lol.

    • Mistredo on 02/07/2021 - 00:33

      That's actually incorrect. The engine is copy of Toyota 1NZ-FE.

      https://www.chinapev.com/gwm/great-wall-gw4g15-review-simila…

  • MS Paint on 10/05/2021 - 20:56
    +6

    Nice knowing you OP

    • JustASmoothSkin on 10/05/2021 - 23:00

      Haha, My previous posts haven't resulted in my untimely demise (and I am pretty sure you commented in those too) and believe me some of these stir the pot far more then "Guy can't get "insert jap/kor brand here" asks if Chinese car ok"

  • hasselbladsnapper on 10/05/2021 - 21:05
    +14

    This is a Chinese dog box with a poor reputation regarding prime safety!. The parts and potential re-sale would be of concern to many.
    I would try to hang out for a Kia with the 7 yr warranty or other prime manufacturers Mazda, Toyota.

    • HeWhoKnows on 30/11/2022 - 22:22

      Owners of Great wall vehicles finding it difficult to sell them resulting in poor resale values

  • DashCam AKA Rolts on 10/05/2021 - 21:11
    +6

    Like all grey imports, be aware that you are up for return postage for warranty claims.

  • brendanm on 10/05/2021 - 21:13
    +18

    Buy a haval for $25k today, sell it for $5k in a week. Not many people are stupid enough to buy this rubbish.

    I've worked on previous great wall vehicles, they are tremendous buckets of shit.

    A car built in China to actual standards is vastly different to a car built in China to Chinese standards.

    • JustASmoothSkin on 10/05/2021 - 23:12
      +3

      Thought that for a car to be registered in Aus it had to comply to our standards, but guess GM/ford/Volkswagen/bmw is here soooo.

      Working on a friend's Jeep Cherokee at the moment, Christ the history of issues quality/design issues that this thing has. Bosch made ceramic glow plugs as stock and it turns out they explode in the engine. EGR valve issues, intercooler hose issues, shitty thermostat design. Car literally operates at about 50 Celsius at the moment because it's stuck semi open (apparently so common Jeep 2.8ltr crd owners literally consider a 50 C engine normal operating temp) HVAC resistor is dead and something's up with the 4x4 system that I haven't even bothered to look at yet but can only describe as sometimes 2H is also 3H and maybe 1H all without me touching the 4x4 selector. (Feels like diff lock flicks on randomly but power is weird and then it flicks off again)
      Oh did I mention it only has 120000km on a diesal engine.

      • mapax on 11/05/2021 - 05:00
        +4

        It’s a Jeep thing, you wouldn’t get it…

      • brendanm on 11/05/2021 - 06:27
        +2

        Yep, jeeps are crap as well, it's common knowledge. I'd still rather a jeep than a haval though.

        • [Deactivated] on 11/05/2021 - 15:55

          There is only on Jeep. :)

    • HeWhoKnows on 30/11/2022 - 22:23

      Lots of Havals on the Pacific Hwy.
      I mean LOTS!

      They must be
      a) cheap to buy
      b) readily available
      c) so great option for desperate SUV buyers

  • Presence on 10/05/2021 - 21:16
    +7

    There are so many horror stories with Chinese cars of dealers refusing to fix clear issues, no stock of parts, just generally no idea about how to conduct business in Australia. Avoid like the plague. Feel free to Google to your hearts content

    https://www.caradvice.com.au/owner-reviews/2018-haval-h6-lux…

    Just for a laugh their new playform is literally called LEMON :)

    • Miami Mall Alien on 10/05/2021 - 21:19
      +2

      Just for a laugh their new playform is literally called LEMON :)

      Proof.

      Just reading that barely coherent, literally-translated-from-Mandarin media release is quite entertaining as well:

      Some consumers probably know little about the light weight’s significance to the carmakers. We will brief you on the users’ better experience from improvement of light weight.

      Reminds me of that Top Gear episode on Chinese cars where Jeremy reads a marketing blurb about the styling of the Haval M2: "Body on the side of the line to go straight fair, with enough of the masculine qualities of men."

      • brendanm on 11/05/2021 - 20:49

        It always amuses me that these Chinese companies can't hire just one westerner to proof read and correct this rubbish. Would be the best money they spent. Imagine actually calling your car a "lemon" deliberately. It's mind boggling.

        • mapax on 11/05/2021 - 21:25

          I knew a guy that used to do translations on manuals/handbooks etc. He said it was common for him to translate something and then someone within the company that hired him would decide that their skills were superior to his and do an edit.

        • JIMB0 on 12/05/2021 - 09:33

          Didn't Kogan make his start by capitalising on this selling Chinese TV's and translating the manuals from chinglish.

        • Miami Mall Alien on 12/05/2021 - 13:10

          It gets better, have a look at the page on Haval's website for the FX-7.

          Here's some choice quotes:

          POWER
          Speed is not only cool but also true pleasant sensation when driving.

          SAFETY
          Safety is the adventure of freedom in the universe.

          TECHNOLOGY
          Prospective technology leads intelligence trends.

          I mean if that doesn't make you want an FX-7 then you're in need of a re-education vacation.

      • DoctorCalculon on 12/05/2021 - 02:44

        Proof.

        Did they hire the Onion News to write that page? 😂😂😂

  • [Deactivated] on 10/05/2021 - 21:16
    -3

    Howdy, So last week my girlfriend wrote off her 2016 daewoo Holden Barina and we are now in the market for a new car to replace it as her daily.

    Howdy, So last week my girlfriend wrote off her 2016 daewoo Holden Barina and we are now in the market for a girl to replace her daily.

    Fixed.

    /end of thread

    [Deactivated] on 10/05/2021 - 21:16 (Collapsed - Offtopic. Show)
    • brendanm on 10/05/2021 - 21:36
      +1

      Wtf

      • [Deactivated] on 10/05/2021 - 21:38
        +3

        I need my medication.

  • sickllama on 10/05/2021 - 21:22
    +14

    Buy a Kia. You get reliability, generally good features as standard, good resale and a relatively good value car.

    Specifically I'd look at the Kia Cerato. Good size and good price. I know it's not an SUV, but you'll live.

    • [Deactivated] on 10/05/2021 - 21:40

      I have an 18 year old Kia Rio that shakes and sounds like it's waiting for retirement.

      • JustASmoothSkin on 10/05/2021 - 22:33

        I miss my old EK Honda, zipties and dreams held that thing together and it never failed me. Though to be honest, I have had a great run. Not a single car I have ever owned has broken down, and I had an leaky 3ltr NH petrol Pajero with 350000km on the clock and a civic that hit at least a dozen roos before I got it and it hit a dozen more after. Had a couple more prettier cars since like my 2006 Toyota Crown Athlete which was amazing and I can't wait to buy a 2016 model.

      • Switchblade88 on 10/05/2021 - 23:42

        That would've been before Kia was bought out by Hyundai and got the massive boost in quality/shared parts etc.

        Most of the parts in my Sorento are dual-stamped with Kia and Hyundai; the 2.2l 'R' diesel engine from 2009 is still being used in all brand new diesel Kias and Hyundais.

        If my 260k's on the clock are a fair example, Kia's are now the modern 'cheap & reliable' that Toyota used to be (until they got expensive).

  • JIMB0 on 10/05/2021 - 21:29
    +2

    Couldn't be any worse than the Daewoo based Barina in terms of reliability.

    • JustASmoothSkin on 10/05/2021 - 22:29

      Amen, killed two cruzes and a spark in the past. (Helping out a friend at his job at a used car yard) GM Daewoo is horrid in my experiences. (Though a surprising amount of people love Cruzes and Barina's and have never had a issue)

  • [Deactivated] on 10/05/2021 - 21:41

    OP is 6ft 5 and reckons he can fit comfortably in the back of a small Haval SUV. OK.

    Looks like you're already sold, and holding out for someone to agree with you. I'm not going to do that.

    • JustASmoothSkin on 10/05/2021 - 22:07
      +1

      I actually sat in the back of the car, chair in front of me was in my usual seating position. My knees didn't touch the seat in front of me (Gap was easily more then 50mm as well) . Also the rear seats sit at a reclining angle which I found nice as my head sat well below the roof.

      So, Yeah I reckon I fit pretty comfortable in the back. I have doubts on quality and reliability though which seem to be well founded judging by the responses.

      For example, seats are "eco leather" which I am assuming is fancy talk for plastic or fake leather. Will they survive 7 Years in the Australian climate? Likewise they are plush now but is the foam of crappy quality that will lose its spongyness in 12 months? If so, are haval reliable when it comes to warranty?

      Far from sold on it, if I was sold on every car I went and like the look off I would have way too many.

      Was one of the reasons I wanted to get the Seltos so much but currently there is a 6-8 month waitlist for one.

  • boomramada on 10/05/2021 - 21:43

    Rip OP, Haval talk on Toyota forum.

  • bobbified on 10/05/2021 - 21:45
    +2

    … and a shot-glass holder?

    It's for all the times you'll be waiting around for a tow.

  • soan papdi on 10/05/2021 - 21:47

    You can trade notes with @hussy4877 from his earlier post https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/600190

    • JustASmoothSkin on 10/05/2021 - 22:39

      Hahaha, damn. He dug the hell out of that grave. Why would you try to defend a car so much?

  • ShortyX on 10/05/2021 - 22:11
    +3

    Don't do it OP.

  • Kunalk222 on 10/05/2021 - 22:21

    buy toyota… no resell value for haval… you might as well scrap the bi#ch

    • JustASmoothSkin on 10/05/2021 - 22:25
      +2

      Toyota's waitlist is currently up to 10 months for a Prado, cruiser or RAV4.

      Also, I don't really think any ICE vehicles sold around this transitional period to EV's will have resale value in 7 years.

      • Switchblade88 on 10/05/2021 - 23:47
        +3

        ICE vehicles sold around this transitional period to EV's will have resale value in 7 years.

        Regional Australia will probably disagree with you; I'd love to see EV's become widespread but on-farm infrastructure (and all commercial transport) is built around diesel for machinery which compounds on the issue of zero EV infrastructure.

      • md333 on 11/05/2021 - 12:21

        Currently EVs are less than 1% of sales.
        In 7 years, EVs will be less than 1% of 7 year old cars available.
        I think some people will still buy ICEs.

  • Drakesy on 10/05/2021 - 22:31
    +1

    i admit it's a nice looking car.
    Unfortunately resale value is non-existent on the current models.
    110kw for a car that size may be a little asthmatic with 8.1l/100k's nothing to write home about.
    It does look like they've definitely stepped up their build/design quality on this model.

    IMHO as nice and shiny as it is i'd stick to a known brand for now.

    • JustASmoothSkin on 10/05/2021 - 22:38

      Yeah, certainly the safer bet. Wondering if this batch though (We only got 300) had more care taken in a attempt to get the name out more. The gen 1 Haval's were complete garbage by the looks of many of the reviews and gen 2 skipped us entirely. Gen 3 seems overly specced, like Toyota in the 70's specced. Just wish they had a better engine option.

      • Drakesy on 10/05/2021 - 22:41

        the 150kw turbocharged engine of the gen 3 H6 definitely sounds like a goer.

        But yeah agreed, the spec is incredible.

        • JustASmoothSkin on 10/05/2021 - 22:50

          That's what I was thinking but can't find anything on the engine except that it was in the top ten of a selection of engines that are called "China's Heart" Seems to have been made in-house by GWM, possibly in collaboration (funding and demands) from with the CCP.

          https://www.automotiveworld.com/news-releases/gwms-2-0t-engi…

          That's an article there, kinda feel like the engine won't last as long as it should. Hollow camshafts, sodium filled valves and plastic cylinder head covers aren't words I like to see when it comes to engine parts. Lighter generally means weaker and weak parts fail fast.

          • brendanm on 11/05/2021 - 06:29
            +1

            @JustASmoothSkin:

            Hollow camshafts, sodium filled valves and plastic cylinder head covers

            These have been things from numerous manufacturers for a very long time.

      • Euphemistic on 11/05/2021 - 08:05
        +3

        like Toyota in the 70's specced

        There’s a reason for that. Toyota back then was cheap to buy into the market. To be cheap, they had to build cheap but fill with bells and whistles to make them attractive.

        Same as Hyundai and Kia in the 80s/90s. Start cheapest, build reputation, then increase quality over time.

        They had to rebrand Great Wall SUVs because they were horrid and no one wanted to buy them after a while. Chery didn’t last long because they were cheap rubbish.

        If Havel can hold out for another 3-5years they might get to where Hyundai and Kia were 5years ago.

  • askme69 on 11/05/2021 - 00:16
    +4

    I feel sorry for the owners.

    I feel embarrassed for the owners of the CHINA MG's. You are not driving an MG, you are driving a ****k knows what, but it has no history.

    • [Deactivated] on 11/05/2021 - 16:03
      +2

      Not everyone is as fortunate. MG on paper looks okay. See alot of them on the street now than pre-covid.

      Same Japanese car like for like is $10k dearer. Alot of money for many people.

      A friend once said this to me, buy an MG for 25k, write off after 7 years is 25k gone. Buy a VW for $35k, seller 7 years later for $10k (if lucky), still 25k gone.

      I wont buy it personally. But wouldnt go a far as judging and say that it is an embarrassment to drive an MG.

  • Jetstream on 11/05/2021 - 02:12

    Imagine getting out of a Dawson and jumping in a Haval, you poor soul

  • onetwothreefour on 11/05/2021 - 07:06
    +4

    Take one for the team and keep us updated on all of the issues you have with it!

  • NachoMafia on 11/05/2021 - 07:19
    +3

    Logically, ethically, politically, NO.

  • 2jzzzz on 11/05/2021 - 07:44

    I see so many Great Walls just dumped. Can't even be bothered selling because their value is so poor. Stay jap/korean

    • mapax on 11/05/2021 - 08:14
      +1

      Where can I find these dumped Great Walls? I need a ute for work and can’t afford the covid tax, but if I collect enough Great Walls I might be able to build a reliable functioning machine…

  • Itburns on 11/05/2021 - 08:02
    +4

    Sister purchased a new Haval a year ago, had a rear-ender 2 weeks ago, minor 3 panel damage, easily repairable - had to be written off bcoz no parts available in Australia…..luckily had an agreed value policy

    • MS Paint on 11/05/2021 - 09:33
      -1

      had a rear-ender 2 weeks ago

      That's a bit personal

      • Nugs on 11/05/2021 - 09:36

        redtube link?
        For research
        .

    • JustASmoothSkin on 11/05/2021 - 17:01

      Other then the after care service what is her general opinion on Haval and her car?

  • snooksy on 11/05/2021 - 09:04
    +4

    Why consider a Chinese car? The Chinese have cut off imports to most of our exports and in a few years are aiming to stop importing our Iron Ore. have you considered Hyundai or Toyota? It might cost a little bit more up front but you should be able to get a demo model for a few grand off. These cars are reliable. I can’t believe you are replacing a 2016 car due to an engine problem. I personally drive European cars and expect to get 15+ years from them without too much trouble. I would expect similar reliability from the other established Asian brands. I see most Kia, Hyundai, Toyota come with 5+ year warranties and cheap servicing. If you can’t get a new one then get an ex-lease with low kilometres still under warranty. If you buy something cheap and nasty you will just have to replace it sooner and it will likely cost more in the end.

  • Pluto88 on 11/05/2021 - 09:10
    +2

    having owned a great wall x240, you get what you pay for and sometimes less

  • nswnotill on 11/05/2021 - 09:31
    +5

    Why consider a Chinese car? The Chinese have cut off imports to most of our exports and in a few years are aiming to stop importing our Iron Ore.
    Why purchase? The Chinese imposed a massive tariff on WA barley. We are under no obligation to buy their second rate motor vehicles. Check out also the quality of Chinese tractors. Absolute rubbish.

  • MS Paint on 11/05/2021 - 09:35

    Why consider a Chinese car? The Chinese have cut off imports to most of our exports and in a few years are aiming to stop importing our Iron Ore.

    • [Deactivated] on 11/05/2021 - 15:59

      Soon there won't be alot stuff available to be bought the rate this is going.

      Apple and Samsung next.

  • HeWhoKnows on 11/05/2021 - 09:46
    -3

    Never heard of this car

    Rule of thumb

    Stay well away from rare unknown vehicles

    Thats all folks

  • HelpMeiCantSee on 11/05/2021 - 10:16
    +1

    Of you’re going into it with eyes wide open, go for it.

    They’re cheap, and they’re made in China (in a bad way). The motors are woefully underpowered, but a lot of people seem cool with that sort of thing these days.

    It’s not as refined as a Japanese variant, but is half the price.

    If you can afford to replace it after 5 or so years, go for it.

    5 star safety id take with a grain of salt. All that means is has electronic aids trying to prevent an accident, not actually making the car safer in an accident. Look for the actual crash test data and see for yourself.

    If they doubled the engine size, I’d be all over a h6 or H9.

  • Rayman011 on 11/05/2021 - 11:32
    -1

    These Chinese build vehicles are just pure garbage. They don't measure up to other manufacturers and they are cheap for a reason. Cheap materials, very poor quality, poor reliability, outdated technology, poor resale. Made in China means cheap rubbish. (and I mean, designed and made by a Chinese owned company to Chinese standards) Use your brains and think of all the Made In China products you have come across over the years and how long they lasted. Don't be an askhole and ignore the truth. I have had experience with Chinese made vehicles as I worked at a pre delivery facility where the go before they go to dealers. They have so many flaws that have to be sorted, you couldn't even imagine

    • [Deactivated] on 11/05/2021 - 22:40
      +1

      Disagree. Chinese designed vehicles are garbage, but cars like the Polestar 2 and the MIC Model 3 are praised for their build quality.

  • Cheeper on 11/05/2021 - 11:40

    Small runaround no fuss suv… Mitsubishi ASX

  • JustASmoothSkin on 11/05/2021 - 11:43
    +1

    Sent them a message just now with a list of questions, Here it is below.

    Hello, Yesterday we test drove a Haval Jolion and came away impressed at the car. However after doing some digging found that GWM and Haval have a less then a stellar reputation for quality, reliability and warranty support. A fact that concerns me as it doesn't even seem to mention a warranty period on the gwmhaval website. I can look past the almost 50 year old engine design (Mitsubishi Orion engine) that is not as efficient or powerful as the power plants in similar vehicles such as the;

    Hyundai Kona which is about 14% more fuel efficient while also having about 45% more power and 20% more torque. (Kia Seltos shares similar platform)

    Suzuki Vitara which shares almost identical power and torque spec but with over 25% more fuel efficiency.

    Mitsubishi ASX which has a much larger 2.4ltr power-plant with similar performance numbers but with less stress as it is naturally aspirated so it will likely last longer and be more reliable.

    So paired with the fact that the engine is not as efficient or powerful as competitors, the reviews on Haval/GWM vehicles is generally "This car is falling apart and Haval/GWM won't help." and resale value is next non existent. Really the only things that this car has going for it is the "bells and whistles" and price.

    What can you do for me to assure me that me purchasing a Haval Jolion or Haval H6 would be the right choice?

    With your 7 Year unlimited KM warranty what would be considered an appropriate time frame for a major fault that would render the car unsafe or inoperable be repaired?

    Would in a situation that a major fault occurred that meant we were without a car be given a courtesy car to use for the period of time it would take for the repairs?

    If the repair required due to a major fault takes longer than an appropriate amount of time, would a replacement or refund be given for the vehicle? (Appropriate amount of time should be no longer then 30 days)

    For minor warranty work, What would be an appropriate amount of time for the parts to be sourced?

    How many small repeat issues such as seats peeling, dashes cracking, infotainment related issues etc would have to be remedied for it to be considered a quality issue and have the car replaced?

    This car would if purchased be used mostly around the city and would on average clock about 60KM per day in our to and from work travels, Could I expect that it be able to handle 20000KM per year of driving with minimal faults if driven normally and with on time "factory" servicing?

    We plan on having this car till EV's come down to a more affordable price, I expect that to be 5-7 years. Is it likely this car still be in good mechanical condition if it were to undergo on-time factory servicing and not experience any accidents?

    Likewise will the cosmetics such as the paint, seats, dash and other interior component still be in good condition (Within reason but should be free from warping,cracks, peeling, fading and bubbling) if cared for in the Australian climate?

    How invested is GWM/Haval in updates to both mechanical, interior parts and software? Does a issue that manifests more then once for example; a blown inter-cooler hose prompt them to attempt to use a better quality alternative hose?

    Thank you for your time, If I was to buy one I would like to be very vocal about my experiences with both the car and Haval/GWM possibly in a youtube blog style review as no long term real owner reviews (In English) are available to gauge ownership from. I would love for this to be overall positive.

    Looking forward to getting a email back at [email protected] to answer my questions.

    Have a great day!
    JustASmoothSkin

    Will chuck their reply here if we get one.

    • JustASmoothSkin on 11/05/2021 - 11:48

      Damn, forgot to ask about ancap and euro ncap.

    • Euphemistic on 11/05/2021 - 12:19
      +2

      I like the bit at the end hinting about a big discount in return for favourable YouTube blogging.

      Don’t hold your breath for a response. They are selling these cars to people who want shiny but cheap, not discerning clients.

      • JustASmoothSkin on 11/05/2021 - 14:27

        Wasn't asking for a discount, more of a heads up to hopefully get a better more proper response and hopefully better service in the long term.

        Money is less a issue, if I can get this at about $100 per week over the next 5 years (with little hassle) I am happy.

        • brendanm on 11/05/2021 - 20:51

          Just buy an asx.

          • tonyjzx on 12/05/2021 - 03:12
            +2

            @brendanm: I really dont think any employee is going to go thru that huge email and rebutt point by point… its all caveat emptor and really with the market the way it is, i think even the chinese brands will get enough punters.

            But yah an ASX w/ the full 10yr warranty is the safe bet.

            I hate these subcompact suvs, especially stuff like the 1.6 litre Venue but hey, shit flies off the shelves so.

            • Gina Rinehart on 12/05/2021 - 09:58

              @tonyjzx:

              ASX w/ the full 10yr warranty is the safe bet

              10 year warranty if you service it at Mitsubishi for the whole 10 years. Probably better off going to a private mechanic unless there are some stellar capped-price servicing discounts…

              Also ASX is the dullest car on the road. Certainly better than the Haval or similar, but not exactly a stellar option.

    • Mistredo on 19/06/2021 - 18:44

      What engine did you look at Hyundai Kona? I see it is 110 kW/180 Nm. Jolion comes with 110 kW/220 Nm.

  • Trying2SaveABuck on 11/05/2021 - 12:43

    Looks like 'Good Value' for money - however cars are something where a good brand can be a big difference when something goes wrong

    I personally wouldnt go a brand i dont know loads about and doesnt have a long positive reputation in Australia and for me a car is a big purchase and something id aim to hold for a decade or so (so i'd want to be confident in the product) but if the budget it tight i think there is real value for money in both Haval and MG

    So it all depends on your personal situation

  • kangeroo2 on 11/05/2021 - 15:05

    Buy a Hyundai Venue, comes with heaps of tech, I've had my Venue Elite for 5 months and so far no problems.

  • [Deactivated] on 11/05/2021 - 15:56

    Maybe an MG? I have seen alot more MGs on the street than pre-covid.

  • pegaxs on 11/05/2021 - 16:25
    -2

    "cHiNa CaR bAd. JaPaN cAr GoOd."

    • JustASmoothSkin on 11/05/2021 - 16:59

      Well historically… and statistically

  • Euphemistic on 11/05/2021 - 19:35
    +3

    Haval is where Hyundai and Kia were 30 years ago and Toyota and the other Japanese makes were 50-60years ago.

    Built cheap to gain market share. Slowly, assuming they maintain a market, they’ll up their quality and prices to go with it.

    • nswnotill on 15/05/2021 - 10:15

      Chinese farm tractors were rubbish 30 years ago, and they are still rubbish. Don't assume that Chinese motor vehicles will improve with manufacturing experience (unlike Japan and South Korea)

      • Euphemistic on 15/05/2021 - 13:01

        True. I guess it depends on what they want to market, cheap or good. Plenty of Chinese stuff is good quality and decent price. There’s probably more cheap low quality stuff though.

        • brendanm on 15/05/2021 - 14:57

          What stuff made in china by a Chinese company is "good"?

          • Euphemistic on 15/05/2021 - 15:49

            @brendanm: Good point. It’s probably all stuff that’s part of other good stuff. Ie we don’t see it. Chips, screens that sort of thing.

            • brendanm on 15/05/2021 - 15:58
              +1

              @Euphemistic: Yep, and that stuff is generally produced in china, but overseen and designed by a non-chinese company.

          • Nanokillaz on 21/05/2021 - 12:25
            +1

            @brendanm: DJI, Xiaomi products, OnePlus, Huawei, Oppo, Nio.

  • randomusername2017 on 11/05/2021 - 21:39

    So, whether it is a family road trip to the inlaws or a quick dash to the Harvey Norman, rest assured that the journey will be every bit as good as the destination.

    • tonyjzx on 12/05/2021 - 01:46

      well then yeah, that's truth in advertsing

      this car is as good as your avg. Harvey Norman

      to me, $27k is a fair bit of money

      for me I would not bet on a GWM with my money

      would I bet on a Nissan Honda Toyota? Sure

      would I bet on a Stellantis or Ford or GM product? F' No.

      So this depends on how much risk you want to take on board. I dont have time in my day to put up with something that isnt not of an established Japanese brand. Full stop. Even then I would not buy a Subaru as I'm not interested in their 4wd flat four nonsense.

      I dont care about your warranty. A 7 yr warranty is no good if I'm forever asking my wife to pick me up in her car because my GWM or Stellantis or GM car is getting fixed.

      However saying that, the Chinese will get there, that's for sure.

      There will be a day where their car is such an incredible value proposition that buying anything else does not make sense.

      But I guess I might be dead before that happens, or climate change will get us first.

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