Victoria government has just announced the Zero Emissions Vehicle (ZEV) Subsidy. $3000 for EV with purchase price below $68,740 (exclude stamp duty, and other charges).
No income test for this subsidy (can't see it on the website). Only 4,000 spots for this wave of subsidy.
P.S. if you buy a Model 3 SR+ (any colour), you will be eligible for the subsidy.
*** Update: my bad, even with Red colour it should still be below $68,740. So any colour is fine! ***
Referee gets $1400 off Model Y & 3 purchase.
Referrer gets $700 credit toward Supercharging, software upgrades, merchandise, service payments or a new vehicle. Limit of 10 referral benefits per calendar year.
We need Hydrogen.. period. An EV plane ain't going to happen. Batteries are too heavy for flight. Hydrogen needs to be in every plane, truck, ship. If it isnt, with the melting Tundra now spewing methane we are stuffed.
Fun fact - a single cargo ship uses quarter of a million litres of fuel PER DAY… One ship..how many ships do you think move around the oceans in a given day. Who in there right mind thinks that is sustainable?
As for cost. SA already turns off solar input. So Hydrogen can be generated for free.
Electric shock …seriously? Isolators everywhere these days joining all the cells together. No power, no connection. Just individual cell voltages.
Hydrogen as a fire source in an accident is actually better than petrol. You won't get stuck in a car or plane tarmack covered in Hydrogen. If you managed to apply enough force to explode a tank, well you are dead anyway from the impact.
Hydrogen and EV roll out should have happened in the 80's. We have the answers to slow global warming, we just don't want to do it.
@tunzafun001: Hydrogen is extremely inefficient, it won't be viable until we already have an overbuilt fully zero emissions grid. Using it over batteries before then just means more emissions.
@Rysta: fossil fuels aren't exactly a pillar of efficiency ..but they still seem to sell. At least Hydrogen is renewable from a free energy (ie wind, tide, sun, wave, hydro). Dont even need a grid. Could produce at home. Mythubusters ran a standard car by simply feeding a hose of hydrogen into a carby, and it ran. So even though an ICE is massively I efficient, it will run with little modification and the emissions are water.
Lithium won't work commercially in aircraft. So batteries arent the answer to everything.
Hydrogen plants should have been built years ago (and I'm not talking about the BS coal powered plants that they have built). What a joke.
@tunzafun001: 100% agree. Hydrogen is inefficient in terms of energy in to energy out, but as the grid approaches 100% it is going to have vast amounts of time at surplus production. Energy will be free, it may even see hydrogen producers PAID to use it. At that point the inefficient nature of hydrogen becomes irrelevant.
Hydrogen also offers the capacity for mass storage that can't be matched by batteries or even hydro. Nobody is building 1 day, let alone 1 week or 1 month's worth of spare battery storage on the off chance it is needed. It is simply too much money for storage that is not expected to be used. OTOH long term hydrogen had the potential to it and that reduces to risk of running out of every during RE low periods during the years, in turn reducing to total capacity required to be generated.
@tunzafun001: "An EV plane isn't going to happen" Um no they are already happening the largest I am aware of is a 19 seater. The reason we are seeing such rapid development of EV planes is the EV engines are vastly more efficient than ICE and that efficiency means you can place them in more and better places meaning the aircraft becomes vastly superior aerodynamically speaking.
I will grant you however current battery technology has limited the craft on the largest scales according to a few sources 100 passengers is likely the limit.
@Neverpayretail: Correct, therefore with economies of scale, they arent viable for commercial operations.
Id love nothing more than a battery lighter than lithium..but it's pretty high up on the period table (don't get much lighter).
Hydrogen is an "easy' retrofit to existing combustion engines/ Dreamliners etc. Just need to get the storage right. Will create heaps of construction jobs. So is in the box seat.
You obviously don't understand how a Hydrogen / Electric engine works. It emits pure water.
Hydrogen costs $88 to travel 800km which is CHEAPER than petrol
"A car that runs on the most plentiful element in the universe and emits only drinking water sounds like science fiction or fantasy, but its real and it’s on its way to Australia."
https://rac.com.au/car-motoring/info/future_hydrogen-cars
"Lithium-ion batteries in EVs are manufactured using an energy-intensive process that emits 20 tonnes of CO2. Over the lifetime of a typical EV, it will emit 124g/km of CO2.
A hydrogen car produces 120g/km of CO2 over its lifetime, including manufacturing. This would be considerably less using renewable hydrogen."
https://www.greenslips.com.au/blog/hydrogen-v-electric.html
@[Deactivated]: Hydrogen combustion engines also emit NOx.
Thus by definition are not zero emissions but zero carbon emissions
Are you overlooking the transition from fossil fuel energy generation to renewables and battery storage technology? There are more coal power stations being decommissioned than being built.
It will take time to decarbonise the economy and get to net zero by 2050.
I charge mine off the sun. Zero emissions.
Might be hard to believe, but there are many people out there that choose carbon neutral/renewable energy providers, or have solar panels at home that they can take advantage of to charge their EVs.
You would be surprised at the number of Energy companies that have realised that sustainable, renewable energy is actually cheaper than heavily subsided Fossil fuels.
In terms of the build, unfortunately society hasn't figured out how to produce things without zero emissions, and I doubt we will ever be able to, but the more we reduce, they better for everyone.
"The car runs on electricity from burning coal."
You do realise that they can also produce electricity from renewable sources right?
Any demand above what green energy can supply is filled by coal/gas power, even people's own rooftop solar generation can be distributed to other electricity users displacing coal. And the grid currently doesn't produce green energy to supply 100% of requirements, not even close at present. It is far better to spend government money subsiding more RE generation and improving local distribution than subsiding coal powered cars.
I agree that "it is far better to spend government money subsiding more RE generation".
That said, the OP's comment is misleading and your comment appears to trivialise the impact choosing to install solar panels and choosing to use a carbon neutral power provider (or even 100% green power) to supplement that makes. I don't drive at all, but if I had to again, I'd choose EVs or Hydrogen.
Man I wish there were Getz size electric cars for a decent price, would be so perfect for me as I barely go out (disability pension), but god damn never gonna get 70k
Thanks for the info mate, maybe one day I'll be able to get one haha
There used to be a company in Victoria that converted Hyundai Getz to electric, the cars were then renamed Blade Electrons. They weren't particularly efficient, but apparently there are still some around. https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/blade-electron…
Very cool, kinda wish it was still around, hoping one day to switch to electic, for someone who barely does any driving they just seem like it would be far better in the long run for me.
Long run for you and Mother Earth, double win
only $12 million subsidy ? PATHETIC! should be 10% off if they would really care, this rort just pretends they care, like with everything
I absolutely lost it at 3:25 😂
Still a pretty penny for a basic sedan (I get the EV part but still……)
This is weird when VIC are talking about a EV road tax
This is probably because of the EV tax. Distracts from the bad publicity…
Apparently vic labor needs to convince the minor and independent parties to get the tax passed and this is one of the things they demanded. Both libs and greens are voting against this stupidity.
The hotel quarantine stuff up in june, maaaaybe i can forgive, but not this.
I will be voting anything but labour in two years, bunch of clowns.
Libs are the anti-science party
?? Wouldn't Labor be the anti-science party in this case? Libs and Greens are voting against the EV tax.
Is there enough charging stations or people just charge them overnight at home?
Also what happens if you can't get home on time before battery dies
how would you charge it?
My personal experience, I’ve never had problems driving regionally for my work (200 km). Admittedly I bought the long range.
It’s also much easier since I can just charge my car at home instead of planning to go to the petrol station.
Generally for commuting for work, it’s more than enough. For long distance travel, Tesla super charger are plentiful in the more popular routes (MELB to syd/adl/bne, also in Bright)
It’s a non issue once you start using it
Not in SA. There is virtually no EV infrastructure outside the CBD… Melbourne was pretty good.
PHEV is a better option in SA and hope there will soon be a hydrogen PHEV.
what happens if you can't get home on time before battery dies
how would you charge it?
just call roadside and…tow it?
Was just looking at this today. The plan is: Get the minimum config (no wheels upgrade, no AutoPilot upgrade), get the subsidy and then upgrade wheels and then autopilot. Will this work? THanks
Yes, and you may also have savings by avoiding the luxury car tax. Autopilot is very easy to upgrade through the app.
Wheels are quite expensive through Tesla, you might want to consider third party options, or if you can remove the covers off the default options (was possible with previous aero wheels).
is autopilot just softwareside purchase/or subscription?
All Teslas come with Autopilot. FSD (Full Self Driving) is a one-time software purchase which you can do after you take delivery of the car which unlocks the feature. Although I think I heard they are looking at also doing FSD as a subscription in the future as well.
“Autopilot” is basically just adaptive cruise control + automated steering.
“Full Self Driving” currently has on and off ramp on highways, automatic overtaking on highways, and changing lanes while in autopilot. (Also other minor features).keeps improving with each update, but generally US first. Some US cars are testing an update to drive from point A to point B automatically.
For those interested.
I recently read an article comparing Tesla VS conventional gas burner. a
After 75k miles, the owner had spent over $1400 vs on charging his car VS fuel that would have cost $9400. A saving of $8000.
Pls post the news article as I don't believe those figures
Numbers don't crunch.
Let's assume they charge from home for free off solar…but a Tesla charging station costs more than $1400 installed anyway. So that screws that theory right there. Plus if charging from home sooar, they are missing out on FIT. So even solar has a cost. Government Muppets arent smart enough to understand that.
If they are charging from home it's around 30c/kWh + GST. Tesla supposedly around 12kwh/100km (bet you will use more). But that's about $3000.
Now lithium batteries don't survive in the Australian heat. I know this first hand. Over summer is when degradation is at its worst. So you need to factor in a battery change over sometime in its life. Especially if you have something like a Leaf which doesn't have much to start with.
All these costs the government don't realise. Bunch of muppets. An EV is an environmental choice, not financial (basically on par). So let people get them. But charge them a tax your not even entitled to as a state government, and turn people in your favour by lieing… seriously!!
Why on earth I have to pay a road tax with a PHEV is a total mystery. I'm paying for fuel ya spuds. I do big Km (city is electric, regional on petrol). Sadly, a V6 petrol or diesel engine car will be cheaper than my PHEV once the road tax is factored in. $2.50 / 100 km buys you 2 litres. A PHEV uses around 8L/100km, making it now 10L/ 100km. A Prado uses less!
Who is crunching the numbers?
I guess when you do your tax, keep a log book and chose the % option. Then claim all the road tax, car depreciation, tyres etc, charging infrastructure, your electricity usage +your grid connection costs at home, solar system depreciation.
I forgot to mention that it was a guy in the US and their electricity prices are quite cheap, the article mentioned 8 cents /kw.
The figures won't be the same here obviously.
My three-phase charger was free with the car and $400 installed. No where near $1400.
Free with the car, or factored into the sale price? Either way, I looked at a Tesla before buying my PHEV and they were $2000 plus install for a slow charger. Good to see they are now included. $400 install is super cheap. You sure they used 6mm cable? Charger must be right near the power board? A 20m run to a garage, plus 32A wall plug, plus RCD, plus conduit, plus Labor to feed through cavities etc would be more than $400 I recon. You got a good price.
@tunzafun001: The wall chargers have always been included with the Tesla. I had mine installed for $900. I also received a slow charger for free.
Also your PHEV seems quite inefficient if it’s 8L per 100km. I’ve never owned a car at that level (pretty much all ICE). Even the BMW i8 as a PHEV advertises itself as 2.1 litres per 100 km (or 6.7 in pure petrol mode).
@ozbking: PHEV is effected by wind quite a bit. If I drove 80km stretches it would use 6L/100km. But open road 110km is around 8L/100 or 10L/100km in a headwind. Considering its over two tonnes, drives off road and 8 years old now and done 150k kms, I'm more than happy with it. But don't charge me an extra 2c or 2.5c per km.
@tunzafun001: I completely agree there shouldn't be an extra tax for PHEV. I was just arguing that I have never seen a PHEV use 8L/100.
Super off peak rates (12am to 4am) are $0.11/kWh from Powershop
Not many choices here in Australia, we need more competitions, EU cars where is Volkswagen ID? Where are Nio cars? That’s why Tesla is so expensive.
I like the VW ID-4 but as the world will soon be at War with China I will give the Nio (Made in China) a miss
Do you blame them? Why would a car manufacturer bring an EV to Australia when the government clearly doesn't like them (basically no charging infrastructure in SA, plus a road tax). We will keep missing out until we vote these muppets out.
Oh, I just realised that the government blocked them, quickly Googled and found this interesting article:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/10007155…
No wonder why I don’t see many EVs here.
Yep, Uncle Andrews and snake Marshall need a solid boot in the date. In Australia we have no idea that the rest of the world is actually trying to save it.
"We'll put those cars where we get the biggest commercial advantage, and the biggest commercial advantage of the moment, when you overlay the fines for not achieving the CO2 targets, is Europe."
It isn't the government blocking EVs. It's the fact that there is no emissions tax at purchase or registration, and fuel is much cheaper here than in the EU. Supply is limited, so the stock is prioritized to other 'more lucrative' markets.
Once EV manufacturing picks up, there will be no need to pick and choose markets, the manufacturers will happily double the RRP and send us stock.
You don't need new charging stations paid with Tax Payer dollars (your taxes) when existing fuel stations start selling Hydrogen.
Hence the benefit of Hydrogen / Electric cars
Tesla are the same price everywhere. Their pricing policy is simple. US price + import costs + taxes * hedged currency rate. If you think the Id3 is going to be better or cheaper, you're mistaken.
When can we pay with dogecoin?
08/05 the Dogefather will reveal his plan 😀 buy and hold.
i swear Elon is gonna add crypto to his payment options ..
This may shock you, the answer is Now. Get a Binance credit card. It automatically converts Doge to AUD at no cost. Plus you will get between 2 - 16% cashback on AUD purchases and has no annual fee. I had no idea until this week.
Binance has the credit card? I didn’t know that. I am using Binance mainly for cryoto trading.
Yeah bud, and i have never even touched Crypto. Haha. Still learning the inner workings of the technology.
https://www.binance.com/en/cards
@Boscom123: Don't know as I don't have a Binance account. But the us site is BinanaceUS. So thought 'Binance' was an Australian region site. I'll sign up to Binance anyway and get on the bandwagon. Whats going to make me a millionaire ;) Bakeryswap on the BSC. Whats your smokey?
Don't think people will have held doge long enough to qualify for CGT discount, so this could end up with a big bill come tax time.
That covers the first 120,000km I guess.
Its scary that an EV like this can cost less then a new MK8 GTI….
I will wait another 5 years, this car will be half the price tag.
I was thinking double given where inflation is headed.
Wrong.. Competition trumps inflation.. the way the economy is going inflation = ~4% over that time
I could see this at 40k, once Tesla isn't the only option for a decent EV.
wait for Xiaomi to come out with their car.
or lucid in 2025
is this eligible for cashrewards/shopback? was thinking of buying five
Why stop at 5?
Finally can now afford it!!
why would you buy this when you can buy $65,000 worth of graphics cards + computers and build a cryptocurrency mining farm??
What am I gonna do with only 5 graphics cards…
bUiLd a CrYpTo MiNiNg FaRm!!1!1!!1
Because this one is in stock?
FFS 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Also because batteries/motors/inverters don’t degrade as fast as internal combustion engines, retaining power/range, the life of an EV is longer than an ICEV.
Therefore ‘whole of life’ costs are cheaper.
An article on Cleantechina showed how a Tesla M3 SR+ is cheaper to run than a Toyota Camry over 5 years, let alone 10 (or even 20), even though it has a much higher purchase price
What about the USD $20k cost to replace a Tesla Battery at the 5 year mark ?
Absolute garbage.
But I’ll play along - what about the $35K cost to replace the internal combustion engine at the 45,000km mark?
lol hog wash… but seriously how long to the batteries last AND how much are they to replace
@Gavman: Well, I used the word garbage, you used hog wash. Same shit for the claim of batteries only lasting 5 years
@Gavman: 8 yr warranty on the batteries.
Length on batteries will depend on discharge cycling but replacement cost will be $20,000+ for entire pack. Replacing the entire pack won't always be necessary but I wouldn't count on significant length past the warranty. If you got 15 you'd be doing well.
@zductiv: Similar to phone battery, as long as you don't charge it up to 100% (set it to 80%) and don't discharge below 20%. The battery should be able to last much longer. If you have a charger at home (Wall charger etc) you should be able to manage that no issue.
The real world range of SR+ is around 380km for highway driving (claimed 500km) on 100% charge. so as long as you don't always drive 300+km one way and charge it at home, I think it is achievable to keep the battery between 20%-80%
But would you spend $64k for a car and still need to compromise that's another topic :p
@airly: With 380km of highway range from the full charge (sounds realistic, opposite to ICE cars, electric cars are more efficient for slower city diving and less for highway), the battery gentle approach with keeping it between 20 and 80%, leaves only 380*0.6 = 228km of range. Sounds ok for everyday commuting for most, but something to take into account when choosing between SR+ and LR versions.
RACQ recently calculated the ownership cost over 5 years: https://www.racq.com.au/cars-and-driving/cars/owning-and-mai…
The cheapest EV, Hyundai Ioniq (52K price) it was around $1,216 per month
Toyota Camry Ascent Hybrid (34.4K price) costs to own $908 per month
Hard to imagine Tesla would cost less to own, given a much higher purchase price of 65k after discount.
I don't think it will be cheaper to own a Tesla.
In general I don't think people is buying Tesla because of the cost of ownership is lower.
I reckon people is buying it because one of the following reasons:
1) better for the environment (someone I know purchase for this reason)
2) better value for money from tech point of view (not quality point of view)
3) able to charge at home
4) future proof (one day ICE vehicle will be worthless, EV will be mainstream)
of course there are a lot of downside to EV such as range anxiety, charging availability, cost and battery longevity etc.
True, it's all the good reasons to buy Tesla, some may also enjoy the quick acceleration.
My comment was in response to the post about Tesla being cheaper over 5 years compared to Camry. It's possible on other markets, but much less likely here.
If it cost me $1,216 per month to own my Tesla I would be bankrupt by now :) lol
This includes all the expenses, the biggest is the 5 years loan repayments (the interest is quite a low part), insurance etc. Usually, depreciation is the highest cost. It's expensive to own Tesla because the car is relatively expensive, even if the other running costs are lower.
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Hydrogen isn't available as such and is still quiet expensive. It still emits harmful gases and we cant achieve carbon neutral goals by hydrogen technology.There are two prime dangers from fuel cell and hydrogen-powered vehicles are the danger of electrical shock and the flammability of the fuel.
No thanks