It was $850 something in Centrecom when they had it in stock on Dec 2020. I haven't seen any stock for that price since then.
If you cannot wait for silicon shortage to end by the end of this year (a wild guess), then this might be a good option especially given the ETA is 28th April 2021.
Lol
Gaming performance: trades blows at 1080p or less, no difference at 1440p and 4k.
Single thread workloads: 11700k/11900k edges out 5900X by 1-2%.
Multi thread workloads: 5900X crushes 11900k due to having four more cores.
Efficiency: 5900X sips power compared to 11700k/11900k.
Basically 5900X is much better than 11th gen. There's no reason you would go for a 11700k/11900k. At the budget side the 11400 is a more competitive part, although you do pay more for the motherboard.
Like 10 times better
Intel 11th gen rank = private
AMD 5000 series rank = 5 star General
11th gen intel????? Realli????
Waste of sand XD
Depends on what you doing, gaming only you can get better options for far less unless your one of those amd fan boys
You'll get a bonus heater for winter with the 11700k/11900k, due to the amount of power used and heat generated.
Pre ordered mine a few days ago. They said that I "will" get it from that batch. (Btw don't try PLE, I have waited over 6 months for my 5900x and they extended my ETA for the 4th time to June…) Hopefully you guys have better luck than me!
I'm with PLE too but ordered later (5 months in) no ETA. If I may ask in the visual queue, how many empty squares are in front of your red square? I'm 5th from the back…
So I contacted them via email/phone, and they refused to tell me where I was in the queue. (I never got a queue placement on my order page as it disappeared with the February "ETA") Usually they just said that I would get mine in the next batch. And as that ETA passed I had to enquire again (repeat 4 times) the last straw was when they gave me an ETA of 3/6/21. So after pre ordering with them minutes after the CPU was released I would have to wait 8 months.
UGH. That's terrible. I might bail being a late pre-order (relatively) and only have moved 1 square since Dec 30, otherwise I wont see mine til 2022. They said it'll still be MSRP. Perhaps this is the problem. Thanks for the insight.
@roaringstorm2: Hopefully it helps mate! I've been sitting with my mobo and parts ready to move from Intel after each ETA passed ike a kid hahahah. Hopefully you get one soon mate!!!
PLE have been absolutely terrible every time ive dealt with them. I know there are people here who will disagree with me, but that has been my experience with them. Ive given them a couple chances now and both times i ended up going to MSY instead (really says something when you have worse customer service than MSY)
@roaringstorm2: Nice mate. U are going to love it. I have a 3950x (wasted on a gaming pc) and would love to upgrade to the 5900x
If you look in dev tools for the api call that it uses to actually set that progress bar, you can find out the exact amount of orders before you in the queue. Found that out when I was waiting for a 3080.
That's not promising then as I recently placed an order with PLE and my queue status is right at the back.
Maybe I'm just an odd one out, but with their lack of communication and constantly breaking their promise with multiple false ETA's I won't go back to them. I hope your experience is better than mine!!!
I've also got a Sapphire Nitro+ SE 6800 XT on order through them too… I suppose I can wait a while. Ha!
nah, stock seems to be flowing in steadily. there will be a limit on how much can be scalped. plus not really useful mining so its not like demand is unlimited
no, because they can not be used to mining.
Yes they can. Return on investment is about a year mining XMR.
How does this compare with the laptop version 4900HS?
I'm tempted to get the Asus G14 which has the 4900HS
Mobile and desktop are not comparable in term of performance, desktop are much more powerful
Using Cinebench R20, the 4900HS gets a multicore score of around 4,300 while the 5900X gets around 8,700.
Given that the 4900HS is an 8-core laptop processor with a TDP of 35W and the 5900X is a 12-core desktop CPU with a TDP of 105W, there is a big performance gap.
wow, i didn't know this was 12 core haha
Do you know the comparisons between i7-10700 vs 4900hs?
I currently have the i7-10700 desktop but really want to get the g14
Using Cinebench R20 again, the 10700 gets around 4,800 on the multicore score
Personally, I wouldn't go from a desktop to a laptop unless portability was a main concern.
this is not a card
Sure you didn't accidentally buy a K7?
I feel that if you didn't know it was called a CPU then you didn't buy it at all.
I bought a train, which I can afford. Train/CPU same difference.
Interesting when it was released only 5 months ago. November 2020 release
Do cpu upgrade cards stack?
I managed to secure one last week from Umart. Not sure if all samples are as 'decent' as the one I received (I genuinely hope they are!), so I am dropping some PBO2 settings to get you started (if you manage to secure one next week).
PPT - 185W
TDC - 125A
EDC - 170A
Curve Optimiser - Use -15 for best 2 cores (try to start from 5 and work your way down), -30 for all remaining cores (again try to start from 5 and work your way down).
Scalar - Default/Auto
All other settings on Default/Auto
Equipment: 280mm AIO with aggressive fan curve (I have silent fans so can run them over 60% duty cycle without much noise), Asus X570 ITX mobo, running Bios 3801 Beta (AGESA 1.2.0.2). I also have 2x 16GB 3600Mhz CL16 RAMs in dual rank.
With this setting, I managed to add AutoOC +100MHz without any stability problems. R23 score averages low 23,000s (multicore) at 84C max and around 1620 (single core) 65C max. If your thermal solution cannot handle the heat, try to lower down TDC values by 5-10 and test again. It shouldn't reduce your scores too much (around 100+) but your temps will come down a lot. Gaming wise, it hovers around 60C with single core sustaining at 4950MHz majority of the time.
*As always, use this cautiously and while it is pretty safe because the Ryzen 5000-series are pretty intelligent with a lot of safeguards, I am not responsible :-)
(I have silent fans so can run them over 60% duty cycle without much noise)
what fans are you running?
+1 after quiet fan here for my 280 as well
I am currently using Corsair ML140 PWM Premium fans. In my opinion, they are more than decent although the Noctuas are preferred. The Noctuas weren't in stock when I build my ITX rig so I settled with Corsair ML fans. They weren't noisy at all in my setup and push a decent amount of air though the radiators.
Any usb issues?
No USB issues for me. All my peripherals work (front and back of PC) although I generally use wireless mouse (Logitech G Pro) and bluetooth mechanical keyboard. External drives transfer files normally. What is it that most people had issues with USB on Ryzen?
Excellent settings, I was able to get -30 on every core except core #4. Also set thermal limit to 85 as well. I have 3000mhz ram and just need to upgrade to 3600cl16. In CTR 2.0 it says my cpu is Bronze Sample… I'm assuming cause I have crap ram? Have a NHD14 and have to get over the fact that it runs hot… 80-85 I assume is normal for this CPU
Yea, with PBO… I think 80-85C is about normal for 5900x. Stock PBO, it doesn't climb above 70-75C. You will know if PBO is pushed too high when the CPU maxes out at 90C and you get minimal R20/23 improvements if at all. Thats when you want to clamp down the PBO limits.
BTW, is it essential to keep even your best 2 cores on -30? I have always though you want to feed more voltage to the best cores so they can boost longer during single core workloads. Does your CPU still maintain a good R20/23 score at Curve Optimiser -30?
Also note that you can still run an overall negative voltage offset (for Vcore) to keep temperatures even lower (yes inconjunction with all the PBO and CO settings).
Still getting 22000ish mc / 1609 SC with -30 for everything except core 4. Had core 4 crash at -30. Stable now with OCCT. I will definitely try negative voltage offset! I thought combining both wasnt a good idea? People said better to use curve optimiser?
@R3XNebular: I have been doing some reading, some are definitely pushing it with their CPUs (as if their benchmark scores weren't good enough already lol!). I think every CO offset represents about 2-3mV. So really -30 only gives about -90mV. Seem there are generally good samples out there where they can still undervolt slightly lower (I see most are settling around -50mV). This gives the CPU an even lower voltage base to start with.
Is Core 4 your best core? What CO do you use on it?
Its also interesting that I am seeing some only setting a higher CO for their best core and left their second best core to -30. I might try that setting.
Looking at your scores, I think you can push higher. Assuming you have your PBO limits optimised, are you using AutoOC? I found out that less is more so if you had yours set to +200Mhz, try dialing it down (from +50 to +100MHz). Also try to find out if you're limited in any way (PPT, TDC or EDC) and see if you can push it higher, assuming you don't have a temperature problem. But I suspect its because you had a temperature hard cap?
I found using PBO auto got the best balanced results otherwise tweaking for single core generally comes at a cost of multi etc. They are pretty highly tuned already best just have good cooling and let it optimise itself imo.
Perhaps another way to look at it is to give the CPU a good cooling solution so that you remove one limit (temperature) from the equation. This opens up additional headroom where you can gain more performance which would be otherwise limited by the stock PBO limits. Of course you also need a good motherboard with beefy VRMs to supply power for that (PPT and EDC values for PBO).
Yeah I've got a 240mm watercooled radiator top mounted and using PBO option I wouldn't want my system running any hotter. Gets up to 85c under full load using IBT Max.
So there really isn't much more headroom imo unless you go pretty extreme.
Thanks OP
Was searching for this one just this week.
Now I just need to … ahem… buy a 3080…. lol Joke of the day
You can get a 3080ti when it's out soon….
Keeping the joke of the day going… Lol
god… if i cant get a 3080Ti im gonna be screwed. I really dont want to pay scalpers $5k for a 3090. I need a hdmi 2.1 card for my LG Oled, and my 2080Ti will go in my racing sim build. At the moment i have 7k+ of racing sim gear sitting there unused with no PC :/
Yikes that's some expensive rigs… Maybe sell your 2080ti and sit on the money until miners flood the market with 30 series maybe then you can have both rigs on 30 series (your not using it anyway loll)… well that's my plan…kind of 🤔
3080ti will be pretty much identical to 3090…but I doubt it'll cost that much less…
@scud70: 2080Ti is on my main pc at the moment with the oled. Once i get another card for that, i can put the 2080 Ti in to a pc for my sim racing setup. I know its damn expensive trying to have 2 high end gaming PCs, but unfortunately the sim rig is hidden away at the opposite end of the house so i cant use just the one PC :/
@DanielP2: yeh i figured as much… i basically settled for a 5600XT last year on sale thought it'll do for a year now its probably 2+ years.. i paid i think $330 with a few free games and a $50 steam voucher … now i'm tempted to sell the card (i seem to spend more my time on xbox SX on 4k tv) as i'll get more for it now and just wait.. also built a rig for my kid with a 1650S and bits here and there and now even that cards worth more than the whole build on its own… friking stupid time to want a decent gfx card!
@scud70: i guess thatd almost be another option. XBOX in place of my main PC here on the LG TV. I wonder how the xbox goes with keyboard/mouse for web browsing / email / etc. Itd just mean no more WoW + any other steam games i dont have on xbox
@DanielP2: aside from diablo type games i'm more of a controller player anyway … so havent really tried KB/M with an xbox, i would say it'd suck lol … if you mainly game on PC and steam your way better off to keep your rig for a big longer… but times a rough on the pc gaming front.
@scud70: Yeh ive pretty much come to accept that im going to hate myself for spending ridiculous amounts of cash on a 3080Ti next month :P
Why would you pay 5k for a 3090? They're readily available now for around $3500 from retailers. Centrecom's had them in stock for days/weeks.
@[Deactivated]: I wouldnt actually pay that.. but it is roughly what they are going for on ebay for a Strix model. I didnt realise any retailers still had them in stock lately though, so that is nice. I really dont want a 3090 though because i intend to put a waterblock on a Strix card and i dont like the idea of having memory chips on the back of the card not cooled by the waterblock. And that is where the 3080Ti comes in :)
edit:
I just checked their site, and unless im blind there are no 3090 cards, however there are 3080 cards in stock!!
Starting at $2900 - 3250. Ouch
@DanielP2: Must've gone out of stock at Centrecom but Umart and ShoppingExpress have 3090s in stock. PLE has some coming in the next week too for low-mid $3xxx. Stock is definitely starting to catch up for 3080s and 3090s.
@[Deactivated]: thats great news. This whole situation with video cards has been getting slowly worse over the months since release. I turned my nose up at the "expensive" pricing of the 3090 back at release, yet now will likely pay even more for the lesser specced 3080Ti. If availability picks up over the next few weeks, that is a big deal for everyone looking to purchase.
I'm not sure if the wait time. Reading some comments here, I'm hesitant to pre-order. The price is excellent. Just curious.
I pre ordered it
Should mention you have to pay delivery fee and you pay full amount up front
Thanks OP. Pre-ordered and hopefully can receive it around the stated ETA.
Didn't want to wait further because supply these days is too fragile, any incident somewhere can disrupt the supply severely again.
salty intel fanboys lul
pc case gear - high postage costs always
If anyone in vic pre ordered then had a change of mind, contact me! I missed out.
Hey guys, I pre ordered a day before this deal came up on PCCG and mine was shipped today. I hope this helps
I got a notification email saying mine is shipped as well. I cannot say how much excited I am. Its been like 12 years since I built a PC for myself.
Learning about RAM timing, die types and ranks at the moment to buy the best possible modules for the best price. Any recommendations?
Awesome man congrats!! I'm so glad I cancelled my PLE Pre order for this. Do you have a big budget?
Thank you. Thats great. Its like a gambling isnt it. We were lucky as PCCG recieved their shipments on time. Fingers crossed to recieve a good silicon as well ;)
By the way my budget is under $300 for RAM and I need 32GB minimum to do virtualization. May be an extra $50 if its really worth it.
@BargainBuddy: Check your motherboard compatibility list on manufacturer's website. Some ram will work as a pair but not as part of four modules due to motherboard. Some of the problems may be no booting but some may result in instability. The instability is a bit more annoying as it may be sporadically causing problems.
HyperX is decent. Have a look at 3200MHz CL16 or 3600MHz CL17 or 18.
@g1: Thanks for pointing it out. Its a b550 tomahawk. Supports 2DPC 1R at 4000Mhz max. Im still confused how to get 1R in 2 DPC. Later i realised they might be talking about individual ranks of dimms not the combine.
Anyhow im going with Crusail 4x8GB just for 2 reasons i can reach 2Ranks in combined. And its from Amazon.. If it doesnt satisfy my need the return is easy.
G.skill is pretty awesome, at 299 this is pretty good for its price. Someone else night have a better idea though! https://www.pccasegear.com/products/47633/g-skill-ripjaws-v-…
Thanks. I was seaching for it in amazon. No luck. Going with Crusial at the moment. If it doesnt OC properly im going to return it.
Mine just arrived 5 minutes ago and noticed that price at PCCG went up by $100
So look forward to build a system for the first time and now I need a case, an AIO and some ram.
What do you guys think of :
https://www.amazon.com.au/gp/product/B08T24YD3G/ref=ox_sc_ac…
https://www.pccasegear.com/products/48278/g-skill-trident-z-…
https://www.mwave.com.au/product/crucial-ballistix-rgb-32gb-…
I ended up getting Crusial. Be mindful that any new crusial 16GB sticks can be single rank. Its the reason i choose to go with 4 x 8GB and bought from Amazon, so its easy to return if it doesnt OC properly. According to the mobo i should be able to reach 4000MHz with 2DPC 1R. But i would be happy to get 3800MHZ at least with C16.
I am always a bit hesitant about buying from Amazon because of the return process.
Read comments about under volting 4000MHz kits and with only 2 sticks, easier to achieve stability..
Is it for 4000kits or 3600 kits OC to 4000? Anyhow i will do some googlig around it. Thanks. :)
@BargainBuddy: 4000 kits. My understanding is underclock something like the opposite of overclock.
The disadvantage I see is that the 4000 kits are dearer.
![[Pre Order] AMD Ryzen 9 5900X CPU $899 + Delivery @ PC Case Gear](https://files.ozbargain.com.au/n/65/619165.jpg?h=7662504c)
How does it rank against 11th gen intel?