Harvey Norman - Warranty Issues

EDIT: Sorry everyone - HN has now rung and said the frother works - apparently you must double press (or something) to make it heat, and one press makes it froths and doesn't heat. I am a bit embarrassed, but happy to admit my mistake. Also added to my knowledge about warranty situations.

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I purchased a Nespresso coffee machine and separate milk frother (two items in a bundle) from Harvey Norman Bondi Junction last Christmas.  Three months later, the milk frother stops working - it froths, but won't heat the milk.

I took the frother back to the store and asked for an exchange. The girl said she couldn't do it because I also needed to bring back the coffee machine since they were sold in a bundle. I explained the coffee machine was fine and just needed the frother exchanged, but she wouldn't go further.

So next day, I return with both the frother AND the coffee machine.  This time, another girl - apparently the operations manager says, no - we can't exchange the entire bundle - we have to send the frother away to the manufacturer for assessment.

By this point, I say - I would just like a total refund please.  The operations manager argues that she's not in a position to judge whether the frother is faulty and thus can't give a refund.  I ask to see their warranty policy, and she points to a laminated sign 'Australian Consumer Law; - which says, you can receive a refund if the service "has a major problem" - when it "is substantially unfit for its common purpose".  I said, a milk frother that cannot heat milk would be regarded as a "major problem".  She refused to accept that, and said it was up to the manufacturer to assess if the frother had a major problem.  She said it would be a couple of weeks and I would be contacted.

Well, I've come to OZB to write my story and I find an old post with a link to the SMH article "Harvey Norman franchisees face heavy fines"  https://www.smh.com.au/business/harvey-norman-franchisees-face-heavy-fines-20121120-29nr9.html   Well, it seems that some HN franchisees didn't learn from their last court case and fines by the ACCC.  According to this article, The ACCC alleges these stores breached consumer law by providing false and misleading information about the customer's right to a refund or replacement. Each contravention carries a potential infringement notice fine of $6600 or penalty of $1.1 million.  

I will be submitting a complaint to the ACCC for HN giving misleading information about customers rights to claim a refund or replacement for faulty products and give an update here.

p.s. I can heat milk in the microwave.

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Comments

  • I had an issue with an aircon unit years ago from HN. In the end had to insist to talk to the franchisee who ended up sorting it out and was actually very pleasant to deal with. Ymmv tho because it's a franchisee system.

    This kind of stuffing around you experienced is also why I usually just go straight to manufacturer as its not worth the stress of arguing with store staff.

  • look forward to your accc update

  • +7

    With HN you have to insist that the matter is dealt with in store. It's a classic "no responsibility" (but huge mark up) outfit.

    Or, as I have done, simply shop elsewhere.

  • -1

    Doesnt sound like a great experience and the ACL interpretation can be in the eye of the beholder!

    However we recently bought some chairs and found they were damaged upon un-wrapping. We contacted HN and they inspected and advised replacements which was painless and easy. they replaced 2 chairs with scratches for 2 new chairs albeit did take a few months due to covid. We were actually pretty happy with the service…

    Best of luck in your pursuit of justice to remedy the fault.

    • ACL interpretation can be in the eye of the beholder!

      No, it's in the eye if the courts.

      • And one court will judge differently to another (and may even judge differently on different days), hence in the eye of the beholder.

        My biggest issues with ACL are two terms:

        • Should last a reasonable amount of time - Everyones version of reasonable time is different.
        • Definition of "major" is "a problem that would have stopped someone from buying it if they’d known about it. - You could say it's a major fault of a pair of shoes that had to be resoled after 10 years "I wouldn't have brought them if I'd known".
        • And one court will judge differently to another (and may even judge differently on different days), hence in the eye of the beholder.

          That makes ever law "in the eye of beholder" according to you. This is wrong I'll let you figure out why.

          Should last a reasonable amount of time - Everyones version of reasonable time is different.

          It doesn't say this, the law says:

          safe, lasting, with no faults

          Amount other things…

          This is the same thing as saying they must last a reasonable time. Or the same thing as they must last as long as a reasonable person would except given the circumstances.

          A reasonable person is a concept not a designation. You don't get to decide on a whim what is reasonable, neither does the business.

          You could say it's a major fault of a pair of shoes that had to be resoled after 10 years "I wouldn't have brought them if I'd known".

          Would a reasonable person expect the pair of shoes they bought to last 10 years without resolving? Is another way to put this.

          You are also misrepresenting what a major failure is. Go look it up before posting here again. The criteria for a major failure you stated is inaccurate. For example a minor failure becomes a major failure if not addressed in a timely manner.

  • Call up Nespresso. They'll send out a new one.

    • This. If you have registered your machine with Nespresso, their after sale support is very good.
      They will loan you a machine while yours is assessed/repaired.
      So far they have sent me a replacement lid for the milk frother after a drop and break, at no cost.
      When my coffee machine finally broke down, after years of service(out of warranty), was offered a 40% discount on a replacement, shipped free.
      Great after sales service from my experience.

  • +5

    Stop buying from hn

    • But you can buy from hn if its price error, mmkay?

      • +1

        Nah they won't honour it anyways

        Bunnings though, wow that drone deal…

  • +1

    Sounds like you had a shitty experience in having to go home and come back. But I don't think HN have dodged their obligations yet. The warranty is between you and the manufacturer. The supplier is meant to help the consumer in the process. HN have already offered to send your frother to the manufacturer for them to determine whether it is a minor or major fault. You should probably also note a major fault is not just the machine not doing it's intended purpose but more the design of the machine not allowing to do it's intended purpose (I.e an inherent fault).

    This is different from your article where HN were charging people for warranty assessment. That is not allowed under ACL.

    I do agree HN are awful for warranty claims and I won't be shopping there based on my experience with them, where they wanted to charge me for return postage of a phone that I sent for warranty. Never got the phone back…

    • Thank you for your nuanced comment. On the one hand, I think you are correct when you say haven't dodged "YET" - because ACCC says situations must be addressed in "reasonable time"'. On the other hand, the ACCC says you can ask for a replacement or refund if the problem with the product is "major"and the definition of "major" is "a problem that would have stopped someone from buying it if they’d known about it."

      • +2

        However that reasonable time also covers the resellers rights to get it checked by the manufacturer.

        Think about a phone that won't turn on. That would be a major fault, however the reseller has no expertise to open it up and see whether there was water damage on the inside. So they would (generally) send it off to the manufacturer or the manufacturers recommended assessment location.

        I'm not saying a frother will have those sort of issues, but ACL is kept vague on purpose. And they can use this leeway to pass it onto the manufacturer to approve/deny.

  • +4

    Well the Ops Manager wasn't wrong, they do have to send it away to be assessed first. Than you can press for a refund.

  • +1

    You know OP lives in Bondi Junction when the postcode is their username

    I could be wrong though, and OP just likes shopping there (can't blame them; it's a great shopping centre)

  • +1

    HN has now rung and said the frother works - apparently you must double press (or something) to make it heat, and one press makes it froths and doesn't heat.

    Did they charge you an assessment fee?

  • +2

    Lol,
    Turns out it was user error, and went full Karen
    poor HN

    • Poor Gerry. Always got the blame.

      /$

  • +1

    Sorry everyone - HN has now rung and said the frother works - apparently you must double press (or something) to make it heat, and one press makes it froths and doesn't heat. I am a bit embarrassed, but happy to admit my mistake. Also added to my knowledge about warranty situations

    Has it possibly also taught you that reading instruction manuals might be wise before assuming things don't work?

    Its examples like this which is why retailers demand to send things off to manufacturers to assess faults so they don't exchange perfectly working items and have to deal with being rejected credits from suppliers when they send them back. (Though for something simple like this I would have thought the salesperson in the nespresso section should surely know this different node operation)

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