Featuring 6 Cores, 12 Threads and a base frequency of 2.9GHz, the Intel® Core™ i5-10400F has the power to drive a seamless gaming experience. Under load, the Core™ i5-10400F can push up to a 4.3 GHz clock speed with Intel® Turbo Boost Max Technology 2.0, providing power when you need it the most.
19/2 115pm: Price increased to $209, marked expired.
If you can actually get an AMD chip these days. This seems like a nice entry ish level CPU barebones.
For AMD, if you didn't buy a motherboard with flash BIOS button option (i.e. ability to flash the BIOS without CPU), you still need to negotiate with the seller / retailer and hoping the retailer would flash the BIOS for you. MSY wanted to charge me $30 for that and I had to wait 1 day (so I paid more for a better motherboard).
And, let's really look at the AMD treatment on the latest Ryzen CPUs on older motherboards (as well as previous gen) shall we?
Also, how realistic is it for people to just upgrade the CPU? Do we all upgrade CPU a lot and sell our old ones? Also, are Zen3 CPUs priced reasonably?
These are pretty weak arguments tbh. Shopping Express happily pre-flashed my B450 board for free before sending it, and it's a non issue now since most of the new mobos you can buy are new Zen capable out of the box.
And comparing waiting a bit for a BIOS update to.. changing sockets every other week so you have literally no chance of upgrading past a tick-tock cycle? Bruh.
You had the retailer flashed it for you. So, you were not getting "easy to upgrade CPU" advantage. You were buying a new system.
You have more chipset options with AMD CPUs, but this I would upgrade my AMD system CPUs multiple times is not common to most people. It's only a valid argument if most people use the OLDEST chipset that support the latest CPU combo. We are looking at inferior port selections, weaker USB port selections. Consider how much this "RAM speed" is a big deal for quite a lot of people, would you use still A320 boards?
Honestly, if $$$ is not an issue, most people would prefer B550 / X570. Sure, you could tease Intel, but their latest boards do allow you to pair it with their latest WiFi 6/6E cards easier. Is it really wise to use a motherboard that's 4-5 years old with the latest CPU?
if you buy a CPU every gen you have a problem
AMD will loan you a cheap athlon CPU for free to allow you to upgrade your bios.
https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/pa-100#faq-Short-Term-…
How many people have done that? That's "easy"?
I went for the cheaper B450 option with my Ryzen 3700X. The BIOS updates tend to arrive later than X570 boards (at time, weeks - and as an early adopter of a Zen2 CPU (+ I also use linux), it wasn't very pleasant… just felt like second class citizen earlier on). Also, the BIOS size is too small so it only has text based BIOS (it's not a big deal). Though earlier on, some of the features were removed from BIOS (RAM related options), and were later added back.
Honestly, if I were to get a Zen3 CPU, I don't want a B450 anymore (obviously, there is no real need to upgrade just 1 gen).
While I get some people feel this being a big advantage. AMD did not price their CPUs to let consumers (us) really enjoy it. That's why these intel CPUs suddenly become attractive. Also, the RAM mess I went through. If you want higher memory clock frequency to work, you do need to get decent RAM modules for AMD CPUs.
@netsurfer: it is more than intel would do for you and i have gone from ryzen 2700 to 3700x to 5800x and i am still using the same gigabyte x470 gaming 7 motherboard , so i would say win win
If only Intel would do the same and support multiple gen processors per chipset
what if this is someone's first build ding ding ding
its an attitude,mate from intel 2nd generation to 7th CPU, intel improved 5% each year meanwhile you have to change your motherboard everytime.
We should not allow intel fool us again
hahahaha yeah go ahead pay $300 for the same shit
I've got a i5-6600k. Thinking of getting AMD 3600 as 5600x is stupidly priced. how long would this one last me?
Id say it would last you easily 3 years. But it depends on what you're doing with it. A bit of everything 5 years, Gaming depends on res but if 1080p probably 3-4 years.
I mean, it'll play games for 10 years plus, but there may be a noticeable difference in game performance compared to the new flagship CPUs by then.
2011 Sandy bridge CPUs can still play today's games, just with a little micro stuttering and lower 1080p framerates.
But yeah, if the fastest $1000 CPUs in 3 years are even twice as fast as this, it'll be the first time CPUs have had such a big leap in performance in decades. Much more likely they'll be closer to 10% or 20% faster, not enough to really bother upgrading. To give you a very rough idea.
What mobo + Ram would fit great with this CPU? MSY has it for $220, but i get 15% from a friend if I buy there… so not much saving…
What max GPU can this be paired with for no bottlenecks?
@[Deactivated]: Depends on your resolution and framerate. 1440p and 4k high refresh rate, pair it with a 3090 if you want. 1080p, you'll start to bottleneck, but you'll hit 200+ fps in most games anyway.
I'd be more worried about your monitor being the bottleneck and wasting money.
Agreed.
2011? Try Q3'09. And the GPU in question matters. People's idea of must-have FPS minimums is hilarious.
Still gaming just fine on i5-750. And I'm only here 'cos I'm bored & FOMO has come-around again.
Finally bought a GTX 1060 3GB SC three years ago. And for 30 years, I've always dialed visual settings to suit my machine & don't dive on LATEST games. Completed FarCry5 at very fluid settings ~2k (can't remember exact tweaks) with the 85" 4K TV for a monitor. We all have funny ways to use our money.
The Ryzens that temp me are the LOW tdp ones. Better performance than current, and I can leave it running 24/7, finally get the NAS/DAS capability out of this datahoard I have.
@FrozenFred: That’s the number I aim for - full benchmark each combination of tweaks, until it won’t dip below 30fps. So it usually goes up to 40ish at low-action times. BTW, I only play single player campaign, hard/expert setting.
But, there are people who can’t win without 120fps+ $5k rigs LOL.
I've got a 7700K and get by with 4K and ultrawide 1080p (2500x1000ish) gaming.
Are you able to run Warzone at 1080p (not dialing down in game) at a minimum of 144hz (stable)? Serious question.
Get 3600 and wait two years
A 3600 isn't bad, it's probably the best 6 core in terms of value for money right now. I'd obviously recommend the 5600X in terms of longevity though. But it might last you another two years or so till you'd need to upgrade. By then PCI-E 5.0 and DDR5 would be out as decent platform upgrades, on top of whatever CPU is out then. I'm hanging on with my 7700K 4 core CPU till Intel's Alder Lake comes out later this year or I may wait till Zen4 (Ryzen 6000) in 2022.
3600 or 10600k?
3600 for $300 is not a good deal
The 10400F is faster than the Ryzen 3600 and 3600X for gaming even if you have a B460 motherboard which caps your DDR4 speed to 2666Mhz. See https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-10400f/15.h….
If you're a gamer and don't do serious video editing etc, the only reason to buy a 3600 is if you genuinely think you will upgrade to a Ryzen 5000 series CPU on the same motherboard. Cos the total cost for a 10400F bundle is over $100 cheaper.
What mobo should I get if I want to run my rams at 3200 and cheap? Or is this fiction?
You'd have to get a Z490 board, none of them are super cheap - $190 for some ASRock boards or $215 for the lowest end Gigabyte.
If you can wait until end of March you can get a B560 board which will support DDR4 3200Mhz. I'm on a 6600k myself and I'm waiting until end March because either the 11400 will be great value or if it's not I'll get a cheap 10400F with a B560 board.
I believe in the Gamers Nexus benchmarks it shows 10400F @ 2666 vs 3600 @ 3200, both standard setups without going an expensive Z board the 3600 wins. When you upgrade to a Z board with 3200 support the 10400F takes over.
I'm a big fan of GN but that specific review had methodology problems. They ran the Ryzen with 4x 8GB 3200Mhz CL15 memory, which is $300+ worth of memory and not realistic in a budget gaming shootout.
If you put the same $92 2x 8GB 3000Mhz CL15 kit in both systems the 10400F @ 2666Mhz beats the Ryzen 3600.
@aelix: You can get 16 GB Samsung B die that hits 3600mhz CL14 for $130, barely a premium on basic 3200mhz CL 16 RAM
@Shef3000: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/600582
Prices are actually cheaper now than when the deal was posted
@aelix: You're buying the wrong memory mate 3200cl16 2x8gb is regularly $110 or less. Not to mention 3600cl18 is regularly available for ~$110 for 2x8GB too.
Gamers Nexus is still misinformed on this chip, he still rated it a 'disappointment' for whatever reason even tho the price drop of it in almost every single country makes it one of the best valued 6 core chips in the market, even a better buy than the 5600x since its half the price and barely 10-15% less performance
I reckon depends on your GPU, if it allows you to get a better GPU then that will provide better performance per dollar input relative to a better CPU.
I've gone from z170 + i5-6600k + 960 2gb > z490 + i5-10400 + 3070 8gb
Potential to also pick up a throw out 10th/11th gen I7/I9 in a few years to get the max performance, and I am sure the 10400F will hold till then.
Hardware Unboxed: 10400F vs 3600 v 5600
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSxuiWih_Z8
In all honesty I reckon 5+years easily unless you are doing massively CPU intensive tasks. I'm still on my i7-4770k that I purchased in I think late 2013/early 2014 and if it wasn't for a desire for slightly faster RAM and a need for an extra NVMe slot I'd just upgrade my graphics card and keep the CPU, as that CPU still chews up most tasks. I'm doing multi-threaded monte-carlo simulation that's probably more CPU intensive than most tasks people do. Instructions per clock with newer gear have certainly improved, by 20-30% and a few extra cores would also help. But completing a simulation in 3.5 hours with new gear vs 5 hours for what I have isn't really worth it to me - but it may to others where time does equal money. Gaming on the other hand… My ultrawide wants pixel power and that's pretty much all down to the GPU. So if you're primary heavy task is games, hold onto your money and use it to get a better GPU.
Not every game runs on GPU though. There are games that runs on CPU (warzone for eg). I've got 1070ti and its running on 50% load.
Warzone on my 9900k and 3080 runs like shit, dont use that game as a benchmark
It barely uses 60% of my GPU, no way 9900k is a bottleneck
Are you monitoring using task manager?
It is wrong, use MSI afterburner or hwinfo64.
If you're running a 1070ti and want to game I'd definitely spend the money on a GPU and hold onto your CPU for a few more years. Yes a slightly better CPU may give you a slight bump in games performance, but anew GPU should yield many times the bump you would get with a better CPU.
Not much different for gaming compare to 6600k due to low all core turbo, but much better for productivity. Remember use a motherboard which can supply 150w to CPU.
What do I need if I want to run it better? as in CPU wise.
He's a muppet, 10400f is a ton faster.
@LennyT: I'm on a 3070 playing High @ 3440x1440; so ymmv.
If you're not having any problems with your games waiting for the next socket is probably a better idea since both AMD and Intel will switch sockets to LGA1700 and AM5, which will have a much deeper upgrade path than a dead end LGA1200 or AM4.
Fantastic CPU honestly.
At this price it’s very competitive against AMD.
I’m amazed how Intel can compete TSMC’s 7nm with their 14nm!
Imagine Intel’s 10nm or 5nm later.
I thought it was amazing too, until I remembered the massive TDP difference - consider that the 3700X is about equivalent to a 10700K but uses around half the power. Normally I wouldn't think anything of it, but actually at 16h/day and 20c/KWh that's around $70 per year, on top of the added cost of the Intel motherboard. The Intel chips are sharply priced and slightly better performance, but for the total cost of ownership I think they're still not as good value
10400F doesnt consume that much power, stop spreading this false narrative
it was shown to even run much cooler than the 5600X
Unless you run your CPU at stress test level loads for hours and hours a day, the Intel power use thing is overblown. Find reviews with power consumption during gaming, you'll see they are usually only 40w or something more than Ryzen.
20c/KWh that's around $70 per year,
I'll go to the shitter in the dark for a few months to compensate.
but actually at 16h/day and 20c/KWh that's around $70 per year
This is such an unrealistic comparison because there is no way you would be having your CPU at full load 16h/day and even if you did this deal is for a 10400F not a 10700K. The 10400F should be compared to a 3600 which has similar performance and power consumption but costs 50% more.
Any cheap H410 or b460 board?
https://www.centrecom.com.au/msi-b460m-pro-lga-1200-matx-des…
If you're looking for cheap.
https://www.centrecom.com.au/msi-b460m-pro-vdh-wifi-lga-1200…
This if you're looking one for a board with wifi and better features (heatsinks and 4 dimm slots)
308 for mobo and CPU is nice.
If you are going down b460 route just note:
No compatibility with 11th gen rocket Lake
Memory is restricted to 2666 I think it is on i5 (2933 on i7/9)
Recommend an motherboard with unlocked pl1 and pl2 values so that all core boosts go high and can be held for longer. MSI seem the best in this regard, see
https://wccftech.com/intel-comet-lake-non-k-cpus-power-limit…
Memory doesnt effect Intel CPUs that much, people get too turned off by that
also not OCing is not the end of the world for such a cheap price
Intel’s 10nm
coming soon… for the last 6 yrs
Intel 10nm CPUs come with a code for Half Life 3
Lol!
Ah one could hope sad panda face
It will be out later this year for sure for Desktop CPUs. There's already Engineering samples of Alder Lake floating around.
do you remove the old CPU and replace. I don't understand the use case
Yes. The most important thing is you'll need a compatible motherboard, so most people buying a chip like this will be building a mostly new PC.
thanks makes sense now
Does this have a stock cooler included?
Yes.
Yesterday found a pc at office dumpster.. Carrying i5-9400F, asus prime h310 and 8gb of ddr4-2666…. So decided to chuck in this mobo instead of my 10 years old i5-760 with asus p755… Now is the problem - where to find affordable gtx1660 super instead to replace old gtx760 and then play modern games with decent video quality at 1080p until prices and availability for new rtx3080 will improve. Then jump to new generation of intel CPUs in 2022-2023 making complete new build
Nice find! You probably won't even have to bother with new CPU for longer than that.
As for GPUs, mining + COVID have depleted stock and there are no deals right now. Try second hand on ebay, maybe?
Hi ozB's.
Not related to this post, but I'm looking for a decent deal on 32gb 3200mhz ram if anyone knows of existing deals.
Cheers.
better if you use the search function or post a forum topic
Tried, but couldn't find anything (I'm new to OzB)
Ram deals aren't posted that often here, for whatever reason. You should be able to catch most of them at this tag: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/tag/ram. The cheapest at those specs I can find across staticice, shopbot or google shopping is this set at $158, but according to reviews it may underperform on non-Asus motherboards: https://www.centrecom.com.au/team-t-force-vulcan-z-32gb-2x16…. If that doesn't sound great and you need ram now, just use the aforementioned search engines to find something slightly more appropriate.
If your need isn't that urgent, you might be better off waiting for deals; you can setup email alerts for certain keywords by searching for them on ozbargain, then clicking "create alert" just below and at the bottom right of the search bar.
@mrtee: It's not a great price, it's just the cheapest available currently. For example, you could get a much better brand at the same price a week ago: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/603990. And the latencies of cl16 3200 and cl18 3600 will basically be the same; at that point the question becomes whether you need the faster clock speed.
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Uh huh
$9 cheaper than MSY. Yeah its the cheapest, and delivered, but im suprised its getting such high vote count for %5 off
Free shipping here though
Are you surprised? Even $2 bonus cashback deals receive hundreds of up votes every time so $9 is a deal of a lifetime
Free shipping is probably 'worth' another $10 so yeah I think that's a good deal.
Because it's already great value when compared to AMD's equivalent 3600 which is a 40% price difference.
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