Dumb Questions on 4K Blu-Ray

Hey guys,

I haven’t used an optical disk for almost a decade.

Are there multiple standards or is it just one 4K disc type available?

If I get an external USB reader is there any chance this would work on a TV’s USB socket? I guess I am asking if the video presents itself as a playable file. Otherwise I am assuming I can rip it on a PC just like the good old days.

Basically I want to watch BTTF in 4K.

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  • +2

    Basically I want to watch BTTF in 4K.

    British Table Tennis Federation. Sounds fun.

    • Learned something new today.

    • In all seriousness I guess you’d probably want a highly specced TV to watch table tennis.

  • +1

    4K (UHD) bluray requires a 4K bluray player. A regular bluray player won't work. Plugging in a USB bluray drive won't work. There is no easy way to watch or rip 4K blurays on computer either AFAIK.

    Highly recommend picking up an xbox one S as a good option :-)

    • Plenty god ones are thrown out in the council clean outs.

      • 4k bluray disc players were only released in 2016.

        • +1

          Yep. And chucked out when people started streaming in 2016.

          • @resisting the urge: The quality of streams is inferior to physical media… not withstanding the convenience factor.

            • @Caped Baldy: Can always stream/torrent a BluRay version of whatever media you like, can't see a reason to buy BluRays anymore

    • There is no easy way to watch or rip 4K blurays on computer either AFAIK.

      Uh yeah, there is.

      VLC Media Player or MPC-HC will play anything under the sun (and if there is some oddball format they can't then K-Lite Codec Pack will make sure they can) and ripping is easily possible if you have the right BD-R/BD-RW drive.

      There's literally dozens of free tools and encoders out there to rip 4K UHD Blu-Rays; MakeMKV, DVDFab Passkey, AnyDVDHD, BD-Rebuilder and MKVToolNix to name a few.

  • Hey guys,

    Hi

    I haven’t used an optical disk for almost a decade.

    Are there multiple standards or is it just one 4K disc type available?

    HD and UHD/4k
    8bit (not labeled), 10 bit/HDR, HDR+, Dolby Vision and a few others. Movies with these labels generally look better on a HDR TV. Most TV's will not support every HDR format.
    TrueHD/DTS-HD (Dolby vs DTS's spec), Atmos/DTS:X(again, Dolby vs DTS), etc. TrueHD and DTS-HD are lossless audio formats. Atmos and DTS:X add positioning to those lossless formats for roof speakers. Just like HDR, you need to have hardware that can decode the standard the disk is released with.
    5.1, 7.1, etc. is how many surround channels are supplied. height channels for roof speakers are stored as moving objects so height channels (7.1.X) are only listed for sound systems, not content.

    If I get an external USB reader is there any chance this would work on a TV’s USB socket? I guess I am asking if the video presents itself as a playable file. Otherwise I am assuming I can rip it on a PC just like the good old days.

    You would need an app to decode the Blueray on the TV, which won't be there as this is not a usual use and TV's usually only have USB2, which will be too slow to read a 4k Blueray.

    Ripping is still easy. But you need the right software, space to store the rip and a licence from the studio (which you won't get).

    If you had all that, you would be better off streaming over wifi to something with decent hardware like a shield (ethernet would be even better). But a cheap 4k DVD player is about the same price and significantly quicker/easier to use.

    Basically I want to watch BTTF in 4K.

    Any torrent links accepted too :) I only found 2160p files that had been upscaled.

    BTTF was released in 4k, HDR atmos in October 2020.

    If you want to find the best sites to find an up to date Linux distro, Google "best Linux distro torrent sites 2021" and use your brain. Don't torrent movies. With Covid we are seeing more and more 'Hollywood' blockbusters being made in Australia.

    Downloading Linux distro's is the only reason I could think of for you bringing up torrents.

    • HD and UHD/4k
      8bit (not labeled), 10 bit/HDR, HDR+, Dolby Vision and a few others. Movies with these labels generally look better on a HDR TV. Most TV's will not support every HDR format.
      TrueHD/DTS-HD (Dolby vs DTS's spec), Atmos/DTS:X(again, Dolby vs DTS), etc. TrueHD and DTS-HD are lossless audio formats. Atmos and DTS:X add positioning to those lossless formats for roof speakers. Just like HDR, you need to have hardware that can decode the standard the disk is released with.
      5.1, 7.1, etc. is how many surround channels are supplied. height channels for roof speakers are stored as moving objects so height channels (7.1.X) are only listed for sound systems, not content.

      I just want milk that tastes like real milk…

      • a 2019 Shield and most $2k Atmos soundbars will play almost anything.

        It will all be obsolete in two years when we get 8k, Ultra HDR and Terramos

  • If I get an external USB reader is there any chance this would work on a TV’s USB socket?

    Not a chance

    Otherwise I am assuming I can rip it on a PC just like the good old days.

    If you're going so far as to buy BD player for the computer to rip it, you may as well just download it already ripped. PLenty of torrents out there still.

  • You will need a standalone blu-ray player that supports 4K blu-ray or a PC blu-ray player and then software to rip it.

    As you are asking I would see if it's available electronically on a streaming service as it will be allot cheaper and simpler than buying a blu-ray player etc.

  • To play back on a TV you'd likely need to run it through Plex, as only a few programs like it will know the encode. This will then mean you'll need sufficient networking to play back the stream, and given the encode quality of the Remux version of this, your TV won't handle it.

    Long story short, buy an Xbox one S as suggested earlier, and buy the physical disc.

    4K remuxes, Plex and an Nvidia Shield are the other rabbit hole to go down…

  • +1

    I dunno… I reckon unless you have a really large tv and/or sitting very close, the improvement over 1080p upscaled to 4k is minimal in a lot of cases. Some movies are better than others for a variety of reasons - source material quality, transfer quality etc.

    So for example, I think 4k Joker looks good with good use of HDR… BTTF not so much (to me anyway). Other movies I think the 4k HDR is overdone and almost spoils the movie with overly bright scenes/components. YMMV

    • I have a 70in TV and recently got an Xbox Series X. I can honestly say I can't tell the difference between the 4k output in the games or Youtube content and the 1080p content I was viewing on my OG Xbox One from 2014.

      The higher refresh rate in Forza Horizon 4, however, is a noticeable improvement over the OG Xbone.

      • +1

        Maybe I'm just getting less picky as I get older, but my view is that even if I can technically see the difference vs 1080p, I rarely think the changes are significant or enhances the experience of watching the movie ie it rarely matters (to me).

        In summary, I reckon SD to HD was a massive jump in quality, HD to FHD less of a jump (720p upscaled can still look excellent), FHD to UHD many people cant even tell unless they freeze frame the two pictures side-by-side, have a huge display, or are really picky enthusiasts (which is fine).

        As for framerate in movies. People mostly panned the 60fps version of the hobbit because it makes everything look less cinematic (more real) and consequently highlighted how fake movie sets and actors in makeup look in "real life".

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