First Post! Be gentle. Just got notified that the 5900x is in stock online at Centrecom
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AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 4.8GHz (12 Cores 24 Threads) $859 @ Centrecom
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I would suspect it's partly binning.
The 5800x and 5900x are the same TDP so it makes sense to start with that the 5800x will have a higher junction temperature due to power density (same power running through smaller area). 7nm is harder to cool with increased power density over older dies. Having the same power budget lets them run more power per core for the 5800x, and perhaps part of their strategy has them run higher voltages for these lesser-binned chips to achieve best clocks. Binning could also explain why some 5800x samples run as cool as the other parts while some don't.
And new with Zen 3 is the chips taking advantage of thermal headroom to a much greater extent to provide as much performance as possible for the cooling solution fitted, so combine these all and the result is the intended behaviour.
No they don't. In fact it's normal for them to hit very high temperatures. AMD processors whether CPU or GPU run relatively hotter than their competition.
They are more efficient than their predecessor for the same workload I guess, but what that translates into…
I think you need to do your research and get up to date on AMD. Zen 2/3 and Radeon 6000 consume less power and generate less heat than the competition. Intel is still stuck on 14nm to infinity, whilst AMD is utilising TSMC's 7nm technology. AMD officially indicated if you have better cooling, Zen 3 will work harder.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/jsy8bw/robert_hallocks…
@shellshocked: According to a review of the 5900x by techradar.com:
"For instance, in our testing, the AMD Ryzen 9 5900X reached a maximum temperature of 86°C – and that's with a 360mm AIO cooler attached. Don't worry, that's just how Ryzen is designed. AMD has told us that the new processors may peak around 98°C, and that it's expected. Your processor isn't going to burst into flames."
https://www.techradar.com/au/reviews/amd-ryzen-9-5900x
The GPUs have ALWAYS run hotter. NVIDIA is known for it's more cooler/efficient GPU designs.
@[Deactivated]: I don't think you read my post, otherwise you wouldn't have posted what you did. Rob Hallock from AMD just states that Zen 3 will adapt the cooling that you provide the CPU. As I mentioned before, the more cooling you provide the Zen 3 CPU, the harder it will work based on AMD's own auto overclocking algorithms. I think you need to read up on PBO and curve optimizer to get better understanding of how Zen 3 works vs less sophisticated CPUs.
You comments regarding Radeon GPUs is also incorrect, since the release of the 6000 series the temperatures are very similar to the RTX 3000 series, whilst consuming less power. Please refer to the link below as an example of the temperatures generated by the reference cards from both parties. You will notice that they are pretty much the same.
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/3UGzFD63duc7tDPv6itdxK-970…
That is normal, and probably not changing in the near future. These modern chips are able to take advantage of more headroom with the improved sensors and monitoring that they have. So, with consideration to the health of the silicon, the chips will boost as high as they can, almost like self-overclocking.
With Zen 2 moving to 7nm, the power density increased so it's also harder to cool than older chips on larger dies, even with improvements in power efficiency. The interface between the die and the cooler becomes more of a limitation. That's part of why you see those temperatures even with good cooling, particularly with lightly threaded tasks that have high boost that have some cores running at high voltages. It's just not as easy to quickly evacuate the heat compared to older dies.
So all in all, this is normal and expected behaviour. With these new products there's often going to be some conventional wisdom that gets challenged as the technology changes. When Intel catches up, it'll be the case there too.
The general consensus is that the 5800x is a hot chip due to thermal density as explained by others here. However, I feel most of us were initially ill informed. The 5000-series is a new architecture and is new so it will take some time to understand what AMD is doing here. Most people said the same thing about 3000-series when it was launched. People were complaining the motherboards were applying too much voltage to the chips and it was later optimised in later BIOS updates.
AMD has adopted opportunistic boosting strategy on the 5000-series in that the CPU will aggressively boost clockspeeds as long as there are thermal and power headroom. AMD has chosen 90C as the thermal limit which became controversial for those who own the 5800x. Meaning when people ran benchmarks, the CPUs were boosting to 90C to drive such good scores and that scared the crap out of people. The 5800x has a very high thermal density so hitting 90C isn't uncommon whether you had good or bad coolers. However during normal operation, the CPU was idling at mid 30C and during browsing around mid 40C. During gaming, most were reporting around 60-70C. Most people learnt that if you limit the EDC/TDC values it will curb boost clockspeeds and the max temp came down. Undervolting the CPU as a whole didn't bring any effect to temperatures due to the opportunistic boosting. It only introduces new headroom and the CPU proceeded to chase that limit and you end up with 90C again (unless it hit the other power limits or you set a thermal limit yourself). Turning on ECO mode would limit TEMP, EDC and TDC values and you basically end up with a very expensive 5700x.
None of this is bad though. We just needed some time to understand it better. The x570 motherboards are receiving the new AGESA 1.1.8.0 update which is improving this situation. It introduced Curve Optimiser which is basically a more advanced per-core undervolting that is applied to AMD's preset voltage-frequency profile. With the combination of Curve Optimiser, PBO, EDC, TDC and Temp limits, I was able to increase R23 scores by about 500 points on my 5800x while operating cooler. The last time I was able to increase few hundred points on my old 3800x was when I upgraded the RAM from 3200 C18 to 3600 C16. This is free performance! However it does take some effort to achieve this. Depending on your perspective (whether you're a glass half full or half empty person), AMD is applying Auto OC for you or AMD is cheating by implementing crazy high voltages to meet bin requirements.
Does it really matter though? Even professional overclockers only lose 25mhz after a year of abusing their CPU.
Most laptop run all day at 80 C +, but when a desktop CPU hits these temperatures suddenly everyone is scared
You mean optimising using Curve Optimizer? I think so. The fact that AMD is giving users this level of optimisation suggests it is using an one size fits all voltage profile in order to meet performance/product target. So if you have a good sample, you could optimise the voltage-frequency profile further and uncover new headroom for the CPU to chase. Without doing this, your sample would just get stuck at the 90C limit. It is the same principle where people undervolt their CPU but in this case not to operate cooler (although you still can achieve this by setting a temperature target) but to achieve more performance.
For me, I will adopt Curve Optimizer to uncover all the headroom that is available for my sample but without setting a thermal limit. If AMD can accept 90C as a safe limit, sure… I will let it boost to 90C. Those scores are really good and I could see improvements in daily tasks even though I upgraded from 3800x.
To be honest, I was thinking twice if 90C is safe. But then 90C is only seen when running benchmarks and most of the day I don't see it getting this hot so I'm not worried.
shows out of stock for me when adding to cart
I hope it works out guys but think some of you have signed up for a waiting list. More probable someone made a mistake or the site crapped the bed then it is they got enough stock to cover all these orders. Lost count of how often this crap happens with these retailers in the last cpl of months, they just chalk it up to a stock glitch and keep your money till you ask for a refund or you happy chilling in a large queue.
But tis xmas, fingers crossed for a crissie miracle.
I’m seeing who wins between my amazon 5800X and this.
Amazon delivery date = unknown!Mine has been shipped :). And I think I bought it about after an hour of this being posted
Yep looks like they got in a massive batch, hard to believe they got so many but great for everyone and good to see not another "glitch" scenario.
And it's gone….
Never gets old
I need to grab a 5900x but I want to make use of price protection, should I buy from Amazon or Centrecom/Umart/Msy?
I'm assuming Amazon generally always has stock and reduces the price until EOL?if you want to make use of price protection why not go grab a 5900x from shopping express right now. Get your 5900 now instead of waiting and claim back the difference to rrp.
what credit card offer price protection now days ??
Would I notice much of a difference with this compared to my current 1700x? If so what sort of gains would I be looking at?
Depends what you are looking to use it for - in general though it is a massive leap
60% + more performance in single core, even more in multicore.
'Bought' one, but have a feeling we've been trolled. I won't get my hopes up until I have a tracking number.
3900x vs 5800x
Mix of gaming and productivity
Which one would be better?I might tend towards the newer parts for being newer but that’s a personal answer.
The results will depend on the load, but for the 3900X to beat the newer part it needs to be very thread heavyIf nothing else exists besides those two CPU's:
Get the 5800X if gaming is more important,
Or get the 3900X if productivity is more important.Below is a video from Gamers Nexus. Look at the benchmarks that include the 5800X and the 3900X and decide what's more important to you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x2BYNimNOU
Buy two ryzen 5 3600 and you will have 12 cores for half the price.
That is not how it works
My point being that the performance of this over ryzen 5 3600 doesn’t justify the much higher price. Not many softwares and games can utilise all the cores/threads except you are heavy multitasker.
It's always been like that with CPUs the higher up you go the less gains you get compared to the lesser models differences. The price goes up in huge amounts for smaller increases in power, efficiency and cores. The people that will actually make use out of the CPU would be under 5% who bought it. They market it as the one to have and people get it, thinking they need it. Like I said earlier in a post if your not encoding HEVC or doing heavy rendering then it's pointless.
@Whisper Quiet: not just CPU, it is a widely observed situation called diminishing (marginal) returns.
I think it is actually. Don't you just glue it together?
You’ll also need two motherboards, 2x RAM, 2x PSU etc. 2 of everything. The costs add up.
hey i thought it was funny
Can anyone recommend a decent price cooler for this beast?
Open-ended, just want cold and quiet :P
Noctua NH-U12A - https://www.newegg.com/global/au-en/noctua-nh-u12a/p/13C-0005-00187?Description=NH-U12A&cm_re=NH-U12A--13C-0005-00187--Product&quicklink=true
Same performance in a smaller form factor. I replaced a NH-D15 with this, and don't see any difference in cooling a 2600X. Occupies a lot less space in your case.
Good to see the prices coming back to sane levels..
price is irrelevant if no stock
Patience my friend. Good things happen to people who waits..
Found out if your 53622x then your roughly 300ish in line for the next batch.
Way over subscribed as usual!Hope they will refund the $10 surcharge fee
I'm 53621x and I placed an order for 1 (one) BEFORE this deal was posted on Ozbargain so if what you're saying is true then no one from this deal is getting one.
Pretty much, so they collected 300k+ in deposits and 5k in surcharge fees. If we all asked for a refund they would sit on it through to new years
Hope you don't mind me asking how you got this information? My order is 53616x and does this mean I got 1?
Lol what a rip.
Good thing I paid with PayPal. If this is true I'm not gonna let them get away with that "PayPal surcharge" either, since they had no stock to begin with. Their loss.But as NeXT is saying, no idea where you got this info from and Centrecom managed to deliver some goods to me before so I'm giving them innocence until proven guilty.
So… Were you BSing or do you actually have a credible source for this "info" you had?
Order 5364xx ( I ordered pretty late) status has changed to “picking” so fingers crossed but I’m not expecting much.
Same mine was order# 5363.. and has changed to "pickin"
What does “picking” mean? I got it as well
Means they are picking from their warehouse shelves and boxing it for shipping.
Mines 5362xx and its also in picking.
I contacted Centrecom support about my order and they said they expect to send it out this week. So there should be stock for those who were able to order. Stoked, and I can now cancel my old order which I made on launch night, with another shop which still has no idea when their next shipment will arrive.
Yeah my launch night order with ple had an eta of 22/12 but now been pushed back to 6/1. Hoping Centrecom delivers so I can stop leaving hope with PLE.
Same with me, I have cancelled my order with this hopeless mob. I ordered at 1 minute past release, have had 3 ETAs all have slipped, they arent providing any information via emails now. If you dont know, just say so via return email, but they dont. BH I dont trust they are allocating to first in first served and done with the lack of service.
My order status has changed to "picking". Thats seems like a good sign, fingers crossed.
I've emailed Centrecom and they've informed me that my CPU will be shipping this week. Maybe they did have stock after all…
how long did this last?
couple of hours
Dang.. missed out.
I went to Scorptec that day and they told me they weren't taking any preorders and no stock will come till March.
Just got a notification that mine has been shipped. #5363XX.
My order status is now "Complete" and have received a shipping number too!
Everyone should be getting their's soon!
Got my shipping notice and tracking number!! I hope everyone who ordered got theirs too!!
Dispatched with tracking number - just in time for holidays!
A bit of a delay for payment to reach them via Bank Transfer (confirmation only came through today 12pm) but they just shipped it with tracking!
Biggest cheers OP. Now I don't have to worry about my launch night PLE order that doesn't even have an ETA.
what GPU are you guys going to pair it with?
Already have an aorus 3080 xtreme WB, waiting for this to arrive then putting in a custom loop for both cpu and gpu.
First in…. CPU received today 23rd December midday via StarTrack Express Courier.
Great Work Centrecom!
Got mine today via Auspost. Centrecom saved Christmas! 👍👍👍
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Curious… could this be due to cooler combinations? I didn’t think the 5800X shipped with a cooler so it’s not like it’s coming with a bad choice - AMD chose to make you get your own.
Just seems odd the cpu with more cores runs cooler (59xx)