Man Chasing Teens Who Stole His Car Charged Multiple Times

cameldownunder on 03/11/2020 - 11:27

This is the news
https://au.news.yahoo.com/teens-killed-in-fatal-stolen-car-c…

3 teens stole a car, and the owner chases them in another car ( probably second car )

Now it seems he gets charged "The man has been charged with Dangerous driving occasioning death – drive manner dangerous, Dangerous driving occasioning grievous bodily harm – drive manner dangerous and Negligent driving (occasioning death)."

Why is it now his fault, when the teens stole his car, and smashed into a pole ?

I heard from my son, that some kids, on L plates ( of course not displaying them ) get a thrill by driving 100km/h on straight roads ( don't think highways )

I also know of another kid, that has been caught driving his parents car with friends without having a license ( not even a learner one ), who got away with not even a warning.

Does that mean that you better not chase the thieves ?

Why is the police so lenient with Kids and Cars ?

Automotive

Comments

            • cameldownunder on 05/11/2020 - 21:36

              @Vote for Pedro:

              would they have died?

              And had they not stolen the car … what would have happened then.

              I can imagine the police answer to the owner's call about stolen car "Is it insured?"

              • Vote for Pedro on 05/11/2020 - 22:04

                @cameldownunder: I don’t dispute that they did something illegal and should have been punished.

                The question the courts will consider is whether the person giving chase broke laws and whether those actions then led to a death.

                Here’s the thing, if someone commits a crime against you, you cannot take actions that lead to the death of that person (unless you felt, and can reasonably demonstrate, your life or the life of another was in immediate danger).

        • REDRUM on 04/11/2020 - 15:47
          +1

          alleged actions…

  • BobLim on 03/11/2020 - 20:50
    +18

    So next time the police are pursuing someone who then crashes and is injured or dies, will the officers be similarly charged?

    • Hellish on 04/11/2020 - 00:51

      Perfect argument

    • dirtybigbjelke on 04/11/2020 - 10:47

      They can be investigated and charged yes.

      • Zachary on 04/11/2020 - 14:29

        r u an officer?

    • Vote for Pedro on 04/11/2020 - 15:51
      -1

      Maybe. It becomes a death in custody. Even during a chase, the person being chased is in the custody of police.

      • [Deactivated] on 04/11/2020 - 18:13
        +2

        I don't think that's true at all.

        • Vote for Pedro on 04/11/2020 - 18:21

          You may not. Doesn’t make it untrue

          • [Deactivated] on 04/11/2020 - 18:33
            +1

            @Vote for Pedro: It sounds made up. It makes not sense whatsoever, linguistically, for a start.

              • [Deactivated] on 04/11/2020 - 19:08

                @Vote for Pedro: That’s not legislation buddy.

                • Vote for Pedro on 04/11/2020 - 19:10
                  +1

                  @[Deactivated]: Ok pal. Custody will not specifically be defined in legislation my learned friend.

                  How about “The Royal Commission expanded the definition of a death in custody to include deaths that occur in the process of police or prison officers attempting to detain that person”

                  https://www.ccc.qld.gov.au/sites/default/files/Docs/Publicat…

                  • [Deactivated] on 04/11/2020 - 19:12
                    +2

                    @Vote for Pedro: So you’re cherry picking different examples from different states to suit your narrative. Can you show me NSW legislation saying that a car being pursued is in custody of the police? Because this example happened in NSW.

                    • Vote for Pedro on 04/11/2020 - 19:23
                      +2

                      @[Deactivated]: Lol. How about you stop crying “fake news” and do some research. But ok, here you go:

                      “ What is a death in custody?
                      It was agreed by all mainland State and Territory governments in their responses to recommendations of the Royal Commission into Aboriginal Deaths in Custody that a definition of a ‘death in custody’ should, at the least, include:
                      • the death, wherever occurring, of a person who is in prison custody, police custody, detention as a juvenile or detention pursuant to the Migration Act 1958 (Cth);
                      • the death, wherever occurring, of a person whose death is caused or contributed to by traumatic injuries sustained, or by lack of proper care whilst in such custody or detention;
                      • the death, wherever occurring, of a person who died or is fatally injured in the process of police or prison officers attempting to detain that person; and
                      • the death, wherever occurring, of a person who died or is fatally injured in the process of that person escaping or attempting to escape from prison custody or police custody or juvenile detention.”

                      Here’s the source https://coroners.nsw.gov.au/documents/reports/158632_STATE_C…

                      Perhaps the NSW Coroner’s Court is not reliable enough for you.

                      • [Deactivated] on 04/11/2020 - 19:31

                        @Vote for Pedro: So now we’re talking about aboriginal deaths in custody? That seems like quite a distinction.

                        If you say something obscure and are challenged on it, the onus is on you, not me, to provide evidence.

                        • Vote for Pedro on 04/11/2020 - 19:32
                          +2

                          @[Deactivated]: No. The definition overall was changed because of that specific Royal commission. You’re now cherry picking words because it doesn’t suit you.

                          The definition applies to all deaths in custody.

                          As you’ve asked, I’ve presented my evidence to support my argument. If you’d like to contest it, you need to present evidence. You can’t just keeep saying “no, you’re wrong”

                          Have you read the report? The definition for all Deaths in Custody was changed because of the royal commission. The changed definition applies to all deaths in custody not just the subject of the royal commission

                        • Vote for Pedro on 05/11/2020 - 06:47
                          +1

                          @[Deactivated]: I’d like to apologise if facts hurt your feelings.

    • gromit on 04/11/2020 - 19:53

      They actually are often charged if they did not follow appropriate procedures and approvals for a dangerous chase.

  • field1985 on 03/11/2020 - 21:18
    +3

    Why is it now his fault, when the teens stole his car, and smashed into a pole ?
    He drove in a dangerous manner occasioning death. Just because your car was stolen that does not give you the right to break any road rule in pursuit of the thief. If you believe it does, please hand in your keys/licence. You are a danger to other road users.

    Does that mean that you better not chase the thieves ?
    Yes. See previous answer.

    Why is (*are) the police so lenient with Kids and Cars?
    In my experience the complete opposite is true. Police hunt down P-platers and fine them for anything and everything they can find, causing them to lose their licence. Just ask your son and his friends, they'll discover soon enough.

    "I also know of another kid, that has been caught driving his parents car with friends without having a license ( not even a learner one ), who got away with not even a warning."

    That story sounds incredibly dubious.. "with not even a warning." A kid found driving by police without a licence was allowed to drive off? I call BS

    • brendanm on 04/11/2020 - 11:51
      +1

      Please show your sources for his dangerous driving. Has there been dashcam footage released?

      • field1985 on 04/11/2020 - 15:05
        +2

        Source: NSW Police

        • brendanm on 05/11/2020 - 12:05

          I don't believe they have actually released any information that backs this up?

    • Logical on 04/11/2020 - 14:49
      +1

      I saw him using indicators to turn. The young kids just couldn't control the beast and are solely to blame.

  • Saver Scott on 03/11/2020 - 22:30
    +4

    Our police and justice system is ineffectual. There will be more scenarios like this. Just today on the Gold Coast, locals were chasing down a criminal in their car and crashed. Others in the area have grouped together to pay for security because the police do nothing. There are teenagers here with over a hundred charges but will never go to detention because justice. Also because of Dylan Voller and the international attention that brought to Australia.

    • garetz on 03/11/2020 - 23:44
      +4

      You are basically trying to refute the law of natural selection.

      Darwin's law of natural selection implies that a population in equilibrium with its environment under natural selection will have a phenotype which maximizes the fitness locally.

      They basically brought it on themselves through their own sheer stupidity.

    • Hellish on 04/11/2020 - 00:57
      +5

      "Also they were children so they are obviously still learning about life they are entitled to make mistakes"

      They are still responsible for their actions.

      • pegaxs on 04/11/2020 - 09:28
        +7

        They are still responsible for their actions.

        This is a great point. They are responsible for their actions. I am pretty sure that by the ages of 15 to 17, most people know that taking something, anything, that is not theirs, is stealing. This fact would be more prominent when faced with taking something as large and as expensive as a car.

        they are obviously still learning about life

        If these kids didn't know by their age and had not learned that taking a car that does not belong to them is stealing, they were never going to learn it.

        they are entitled to make mistakes

        This wasn't a "mistake" made by these kids. Stealing a car at that age is willful conduct. They would have known it was wrong.

  • ShannonN on 04/11/2020 - 00:57
    +1

    read about that, guess its a normal reaction to chase after the crooks, the problem is he pushed then too hard (to speed to escape) and probably "forced" them to crash in a sense

    Seems harsh he gets walloped but look at the result instead of a thrashed stolen car being dumped somewhere after a joyride or cut up for parts and insurance paid out, through his own rage he has caused his stolen car to be totalled, probably wont get an insurance payout if the insurers can wiggle out of it and contributed to the demise some silly teens.

    • TK Deadwalker on 04/11/2020 - 01:08
      +5

      Yeah that's true. It's a sad turn of events for the owner. I reckon I would have pursued them too and tried to get my car back if I had the chance. It's hard to think rationally when you're in that situation and outraged.

  • mrvaluepack on 04/11/2020 - 06:52
    +3

    Public prosecutors trying to show some flex or having too much time on their hands.

  • Blitz001 on 04/11/2020 - 09:00

    Probably cheaper to just get car insurance.

  • picklewizard on 04/11/2020 - 09:25
    -1

    I also know of another kid, that has been caught driving his parents car with friends without having a license ( not even a learner one ), who got away with not even a warning.

    LOL what complete bullshit.

  • crashloaded on 04/11/2020 - 09:32
    -1

    Stupidity from both parties. Even if he doesn't get convicted he's caused himself a life sentence of the guilt of causing death. I bet he regrets his decision.

  • Hangryuman on 04/11/2020 - 09:42
    -1

    '"The man has been charged with Dangerous driving occasioning death … Why is it now his fault, when the teens stole his car, and smashed into a pole ?'"

    'but for' the man's actions giving chase, the two teens might be still alive today

    self-defence must be proportionate - it someone slaps you in the face, you're not allowed to shoot them dead

    while some gun-loving US states like their 'stand your ground' laws where if you feel threatened as a dweeby white guy you can pull out your pistol and shoot that mouthy black guy dead

    in English or Australian law the "man's home is his castle" right to defend your property was struck down when some young guy climbed in a back window, the angry property owner maybe hit him with a baseball bat or the young guy fell off the roof and was killed.

    so now in Australia I believe an injured criminal can maybe sue you for damages if you injure them in the course of a citizen's arrest

    in the US there was a WalMart case where a keen staffer chased some shoplifters out of the store, maybe had a heart attack or fought them and died, and WalMart's insurance had to pay alotta money to his family.

    So money-loving Walton family said 'you not allowed to chase criminals anymo' (cos' we don' wan' hafta payout insurance money no mo'

    • brendanm on 04/11/2020 - 11:54

      might

      Not a very strong case

      dweeby white guy
      mouthy black guy

      We've got ourselves a Twitter user here. Most black deaths are caused by… wait for it…. other black people.

    • infinite on 04/11/2020 - 22:02
      +1

      while some gun-loving US states like their 'stand your ground' laws where if you feel threatened as a dweeby white guy you can pull out your pistol and shoot that mouthy black guy dead

      What?

      89% of all black victims of Homicide in the US are killed by other black people. The majority of the other offenders are Latin. In fact, substantially more black women in the US kill black men every year, than all white people combined. Even worse than that, 100% of all Tansgender murders are committed by black offenders.

      https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-…

      The FBI collects and publicly publishes the data.

      • Bjingo on 05/11/2020 - 04:51
        -1

        Hold on you sneaky guy, Latins are white as well. You can’t just split the white people up by ethnic groups and leave the Black people as a lump race. Africa alone has like 19 ethnic groups.

  • OzHunterNSW on 04/11/2020 - 09:52
    +2

    This is something you need to work out with a counsellor.
    You can not take the law into your own hands, they will try and tell you.
    You can not place other people's lives in danger, simply because you over reacted
    and wanted to retaliate and seek revenge.
    I'm am sure your counsellor will explain the Australian laws and expectations to you.
    Good luck

  • marty64 on 04/11/2020 - 09:53

    Probably something similar like this could of happened:
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jul/27/sente…
    Sigh, that poor motorbike….

    • Hangryuman on 04/11/2020 - 14:22
      -2

      yeah - that kid would of / should of / could of been a contender !

      • ThithLord on 04/11/2020 - 16:18
        +2

        Would have, should have, could have :)

  • OzzyOzbourne on 04/11/2020 - 10:15
    +1

    We have to rely on the police for justice. If they are too busy then we just have our insurance. If we don't have insurance then we just have to use our hard earned money.
    Then the best case is, they do a big enough crime for them to be locked up for a while… But that's at the expense of another victim and taxpayers money.

  • whooah1979 on 04/11/2020 - 10:29

    Are security systems or immobilizer optional on Holden? Are they made so poorly made that they can be disabled by children?

    • brendanm on 04/11/2020 - 11:56
      +2

      They stolen the keys, immobiliser is tied into the ecu, can't be hotwired. So they not only stole a motor vehicle, but did a break and enter to get the keys.

      What innocent little angels.

      • Zachary on 04/11/2020 - 14:37
        -3

        owner should have (layers of) thief prevention measures in place if he really really had significant sentimental value on the car to have given chase to the teens who stole it……

  • ozbjunkie on 04/11/2020 - 11:16

    Wow. That's a tragic outcome. Poor guy too, probably just followed on instinct, wonder where his rights to pursue the thieves end and his liability for their crash will begin.

    Just wanted to echo a thought expressed above. Which is that (with insurance, hopefully) it's not really worth pursuing or attempting to apprehend a thief. They're more desperate than you, and that means they're dangerous, you'll make more money. Cases in point: my cousin caught someone breaking into his car, started belting the guy up, then got stabbed with a screwdriver by the lookout. I myself have been robbed at knifepoint, 3 guys, knife to the throat. Easiest decision in the world to give up the goods.

    • Zachary on 04/11/2020 - 14:41

      They're more desperate than you,

      I don't know….can be subjective….

      Cases in point: my cousin caught someone breaking into his car, started belting the guy up, then got stabbed with a screwdriver by the lookout.

      Should have finished the job preventing the guy from being able to get up and get a screwdriver and stabbing your cousin….

      I myself have been robbed at knifepoint, 3 guys, knife to the throat. Easiest decision in the world to give up the goods.

      Should have brought a sword or a machete….or have knife disarming training… Obviously a joke, but depends on how much sentimental value you have for the goods they want.

      • ozbjunkie on 04/11/2020 - 16:23
        +3

        No physical objects are worth considerable risk of injury.

        Also my cousin was stabbed by another dude he didn't see, he was successfully giving thief#1 a well-deserved flogging.

        • BobLim on 05/11/2020 - 00:02
          +1

          I suggest people fighting bushfires on their properties would disagree.

          Physical objects are usually a manifestation of physical and mental effort. Most likely also sacrifice and loss, without touching on sentimental value and irreplaceable items. IMO retaining or preserving those objects might be worth some additional chance (and it's still only a chance) of further loss. The relationship will vary wildly between individuals and objects.

          Perhaps in future, associates of these alleged criminals will appreciate that their prospective victims may be willing to do more to protect or reclaim their property (rationally or otherwise) than the prospective offenders would be to take them?

          • ozbjunkie on 05/11/2020 - 01:45
            +1

            @BobLim: Wilful misinterpretation or genuine response?

            It's worth trying to save your house from a bushfire. But it remains true that as risks increase, even a house would be best abandoned.

            Maybe the guy's can had sentimental value, I can't know… But I doubt that the criminal joyriders of today will learn anything from other thieves' mistakes - they seem pretty keen to make all the mistakes for themselves.

            • BobLim on 05/11/2020 - 21:28

              @ozbjunkie: Genuine. What "would be best" objectively isn't really relevant. People have all levels of attachment to all manner of objects. A house might be easiest to empathise with for many, but it's still the same idea.

              Being relatively young and fit for example, I would probably take a fall rather than lose my keys or wallet down a street drain, if that choice was one to be made

              • ozbjunkie on 05/11/2020 - 23:04
                +1

                @BobLim: The real question is what kind of dirty rotten thief has snatched your wallet and absconded down a stormwater drain!

                Hard choice, lose my wallet or climb into a sewer - I'd be shitty either way.

                Jokes aside, there are a few things I would feel distinctly worse about than others if threatened into handing them over to a thief, but I'd still probably do it. Maybe I'm a wuss, but if so, I'm a wuss without entry or exit wounds, which is the type of wuss I'd prefer to be.

        • Zachary on 03/03/2022 - 01:10

          So if I came up, broke into your house and stole some cash and jewelry in a box, see you and demanded car keys to your ferrari, you would comply, give me your car keys and then go back to whatever you were doing before I confronted you and then me driving away with your car, cash and jewelry in the box?

          Ok, what about this scenario, so what are you gonna do if instead of stealing stuff, my intention is to kill all the inhabitants of the house, just well for fun? Are you gonna fight back if I pull a sword or a club on you? Or are you just gonna stand there and let me have at it and kill you and anyone else who is in the house? Or are you gonna fight back? Or run like hell but I'd probably yeet my weapon impaling or knocking you out with it an then you'll be in trouble….

          • Euphemistic on 03/03/2022 - 15:29
            +1

            @Zachary: Someone’s been watching to many movies.

            • Baysew on 03/03/2022 - 15:35
              +1

              @Euphemistic: It would have been 15 months of movies, perhaps they should of put that time in coming up with a better reply.

            • Zachary on 04/03/2022 - 20:51
              -2

              @Euphemistic: You know how there are horror movies of people murdering people left and right? That's all real too - happens outside of movies too - I remember someone said there was like 3 guys who rocked up to some random's house (Or maybe it wasnt random and they were back for revenge?) and killed two people who were still asleep in the house and then escaped. Nothing is fake. Or are you talking about the burglary part?

  • superuser on 04/11/2020 - 11:16
    +2

    Poor the owner and the car :(

  • ilikeverycheapstuff on 04/11/2020 - 11:19
    +4

    Life lesson learnt….be as much as a dick/degenerate/scum of society as you like……..just make sure the person you piss off retaliates and youll get off scot-free

    • Lurk Hartog on 04/11/2020 - 11:46
      +7

      I'm not sure that immediate death on the side of the road counts as getting off scot-free.

      • ozbjunkie on 05/11/2020 - 23:12

        Understatement is such an elegant technique for emphasis. Love it.

      • ilikeverycheapstuff on 06/11/2020 - 13:02

        lucky for society i guess then…

  • trapper on 04/11/2020 - 13:44
    +4

    The police may be required to call off the chase in a similar circumstance…

    But it is a God given right to pursue the thief who stole from you.

    As long as he didn't deliberately run them off the road then the most he should be facing is the driving related charges, even some of them may be excusable when in active pursuit of a criminal.

    • Willco88 on 04/11/2020 - 13:45
      +2

      Well let's see what the court says and what the outcome is

    • sarahlump on 04/11/2020 - 16:24
      -1

      prove there's a god. Otherwise, there are no god given rights.

      Possession isn't worth more than life.

  • Mark1159 on 04/11/2020 - 14:19

    So pursuing owner crashes red light at 100 kmh and kills some innocent person…

    • ThithLord on 04/11/2020 - 15:26
      +1

      Bb-b-but what about the Commo SS! Someone's insured property - it's in danger!

      /s

    • [Deactivated] on 04/11/2020 - 18:15
      +3

      That didn't happen. It's a dumb hypothetical.

  • [Deactivated] on 04/11/2020 - 15:25
    +1

    Did we not see this with Elijah a couple years back?

    • brendanm on 05/11/2020 - 17:39
      -1

      No. That thief was physically run over by a 4wd.

      • [Deactivated] on 05/11/2020 - 18:55

        Oh, these ones killed themselves because he chased them and they ran faster?

        There's a reason why police no longer engage in erratic high speed pursuits

        • brendanm on 05/11/2020 - 19:54
          -1

          They weren't running, they were driving a car, that was stolen, and they didn't have a licence or the necessary skills to drive. They crashed it, as teenage joyriders often do.

          Police disengage from high speed pursuits if it may put the general public in danger.

          • [Deactivated] on 05/11/2020 - 20:08
            +2

            @brendanm: lol, when you hear 'hit and run' do you assume someones hit something and just jogged off?

            My point obviously stands, they did a runner from the person they stole it off, he got emotional and risked not only his life and their life but the general publics as well.
            Meat heads on both sides.

            • brendanm on 05/11/2020 - 20:17

              @[Deactivated]: I know what it means, I was being facetious.

              You actually don't know what he did. He has claimed he just followed them to find out where they were going, and then came across the wreck. If this is the truth, we don't yet know, but it will all come out eventually.

              Even if he did "chase" them, it was their choice to steal the car, and then continue on rather than stopping.

  • sarahlump on 04/11/2020 - 16:23
    -1

    Turns out the lives of our youth are worth more than your car.

    If you chase them to their death you killed them.

    Some people are so short sighted. Somebody steals your car you report it stolen and get on.

    • jatyap on 04/11/2020 - 16:34

      Probably a bit out of context (and biased).

      I see people saying <whatever part of Australia> is getting overpopulated, when it comes to a discussion about immigrants, never mind the fact that these immigrants are actually moving to Australia to make a productive contribution to Australian society…

      But a couple of degenerate kids (who probably have not contributed productively) lose their lives and drama ensues?

      Eh… shrugs

      • lonewolf on 04/11/2020 - 17:43

        I am a migrant myself and one of the major parts people dont like about overpopulation is also when you get a lot of immigrants from one particular culture / society and when they come in, they dont try to fit into Australian society but create their own suburbs / ghettos and dont make an attempt but stick to just dealing with their own kind and over time what happens then is that area becomes very insulated to only one race / culture and the other people sometimes cant even shop there because the language skills arent there or even the writing is only in non-english language.

        I cop more racism from migrants in Australia than i do from Anglo-saxons. Having lived in quite a few countries before Australia, I love Australia for the australian culture and society and the acceptance they had for me. And i hate that I am now copping racism and issues from other migrants that i used to experience the same things from back in the other countries i left behind.

        • sarahlump on 05/11/2020 - 14:53
          -3

          are you white? White people typically arent racist towards other white people.

          Immigrants are one of the main redeaming features of our country. Everybody loves to blame immigrants and poor people.

          @jaytap
          "Eh… shrugs' - ok boomer.

          • lonewolf on 05/11/2020 - 16:24

            @sarahlump: Nope, I am dark skinned. And I cop far more racism from other migrants than from white aussies

            • ozbjunkie on 05/11/2020 - 23:18
              +2

              @lonewolf: Today Sarahlump has learned that racism can occur between minorities, and is not constrained to white people being mean to non-white people.

              Tomorrow's class will teach that the genders are identical and also that females are naturally lower than males in toxic masculinity.

    • [Deactivated] on 04/11/2020 - 18:16
      +4

      Rubbish. The police don't care if you report a car stolen. Their inaction is forcing people to take matters into their own hands.

      • sarahlump on 05/11/2020 - 14:54

        Defund the cops!

        • brendanm on 05/11/2020 - 17:40
          +1

          How unfortunate, they let you out of the penalty box.

        • ozbjunkie on 05/11/2020 - 23:19

          Yes! And use that extra money to fund criminals so they won't have to commit crime.

          Vote 1 Sarahlump.

  • lonewolf on 04/11/2020 - 17:38
    +8

    Sorry but part of the reason this happens (people feel they have to do their own security / policework) is because cops arent as interested in these types of activities as they are in revenue raising. A guy hit and run me, I managed to chase him down after a few kms. I told the cops, they werent interested. My house got robbed, Cops came several hours later, we all know who did the robbery, cops said a detective will contact us, he never did. We called a few times, and he was always busy and will call back and never did…

    but anything with a fine to make money and they are super keen.

    I used to always defend cops and still think there are a lot of good ones out there, call it the management or government or whatever but their priorities have changed and some of them are also very rude which is also surprising. Perhaps they have had a bad day or dealt with a lot of idiots that day.

  • Willco88 on 04/11/2020 - 17:39
    -7

    hopefully they throw the book at him, I would sue him for wrongful death

    • ozbjunkie on 05/11/2020 - 23:21

      I agree. But can we also execute people for obnoxious employment of bold text?

  • Baghern on 04/11/2020 - 18:09
    -2

    Its called breaking the law….

    Same reason why a guy who chased chopped a burgler who was running away in the head with a samurai sword is charged…

    The man has been charged with Dangerous driving occasioning death – drive manner dangerous, Dangerous driving occasioning grievous bodily harm – drive manner dangerous and Negligent driving (occasioning death).

    • ozbjunkie on 05/11/2020 - 23:22
      +1

      Nah being charged is just an accusation of breaking the law. It's called due process.

  • gromit on 04/11/2020 - 18:41

    No sympathy for the kids. BUT, It is simple, you have rights to defend yourself and your property. But you do not have the rights to break the laws yourself to do so (except potentially in self preservation). Even the police are restricted in how they are allowed to pursue criminals and they have far less restrictions than an individual does. I feel sorry for the guy but he clearly should be charged, hopefully he gets off leniently.

  • smartazz104 on 04/11/2020 - 18:53

    Not wanting to read through five pages, but how did the kids steal the car exactly? Obviously they didn't hotwire it so, what, they broke into the house and stole the keys?

  • Dack Smith on 04/11/2020 - 19:59
    -4

    There is nothing wrong with stealing cars in Australia, you cannot just chase them to their deaths

    Cars are worth less than criminal lives, so basically you will be charged

    The rights of the teens have been violated, and the law needs to step in and punish this chaser

    Make sure no one will attempt this kind of stunt again.

    • leiiv on 04/11/2020 - 22:52
      +1

      The teens violated their own rights by stealing the car and driving it dangerously.

  • Finde on 04/11/2020 - 20:22
    +3

    Speaking as a police officer in Australia, that is why we are no longer allowed to pursuit cars unless in very specific circumstances.
    Police are held to the same standard as this and have been charged and gone to prison for being in pursuit of a vehicle that crashes and involved a fatality.

    Things work differently in America. In America, the onus is on the driver of the vehicle being pursued and any deaths, damage or casualty is their fault.
    In Australia, each individual driver is responsible.

    • UNO on 04/11/2020 - 21:13

      So what happens in those very specific circumstances the drive in the stolen vehicle smashes the car and dies? Is it the police officer driving the car who takes the charges? Or the officer who gives the instruction to follow?

      If it always falls on the police officer driving, why would they ever take the risk of being charged?

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