I Nearly Hit a Car; Need Advice on Right of Way

Lrealbargainhunter on 29/09/2020 - 19:34
Last edited 30/09/2020 - 14:27

Hi all,

I'm a first time poster here in OzBargain.

I wasn't sure exactly where I could find the correct answer to my query so I decided to take advice from the community here.

I came across a near hit accident with my car on my way home.

Link to the dashcam video

Link to Google map

I was taking a right from Blaxland road to the Anzac Ave from the location shown in the Google Maps and in the video.

I was under the impression that the blue car would give me the way as it's trying to merge into the main road from the 7-Eleven petrol station.

As I was trying to take right and understand that I need to give way to any oncoming traffic across the opposite side of the road, I couldn't decide now if I was in the wrong (or have been wrong all along in situations like this).

If only, I could get some idea or advice on this, I could avoid such near hit accidents in future.

Edit: Just as @esty highlighted (and to deny that), I'm still here…lol. Thank you all fellow OzBargainers for your advice and opinions. I am highly grateful for them. I just didn't think it was right to reply as it may look as if I'm arguing or trying to deny my mistakes.

Poll Options

  • 395
    Blue Car was Correct.
  • 298
    Blue Car was Wrong.
  • 15
    Nevertheless, I was wrong.
Automotive

Comments

  • MrHyde on 29/09/2020 - 19:40
    +31

    I would think the Blue car is correct.

    If I was in the blue car, my attention would be on the traffic coming from my right on the main road and ensuring the path was clear for me to enter that road. I would not be looking left to see someone further ahead turning right into me.

    Whereas you as the car turning right have a clear view of both the blue car and the road; so are best placed to avoid any collisions.

    • Banville on 30/09/2020 - 12:39
      +13

      I see where you are coming from and I like that you correctly note OP car needs to be aware of blue cars intent, blue car should have been more contextually aware. Similar to how it's good to look left to right more than once when crossing the road because what you saw a few seconds ago can be out of date very quickly with everything at 40-60kms.
      @abb post of the regs doesnt specifically address this exact type of situation but I think it does suggest entering traffic gives right of way to those on the road
      http://www5.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104…

      • abb on 30/09/2020 - 14:28
        +75

        It's scary how many people are arguing/voting that Blue did the right thing, despite the law being clear:

        A driver entering a road […] must give way to—
        any vehicle travelling on the road

        • apsilon on 30/09/2020 - 14:44
          +6

          Many of them are arguing it from the POV that blue car was further up the road and could enter sooner once the last car had passed than OP could start to move and I can see that argument. But IMO, they pretty much moved at the same time and I can't be bothered doing a frame by frame analysis. Assuming they did move at the same time then I still believe the blue car would've been at fault as it was the vehicle entering the road. I also still believe OP needs to be more defensive as they should've predicted this scenario.

          • abb on 30/09/2020 - 16:47

            @apsilon: Agreed on all points.

          • lint on 01/10/2020 - 10:45
            +7

            @apsilon:

            Many of them are arguing it from the POV that blue car was further up the road and could enter sooner once the last car had passed than OP could start to move and I can see that argument.

            I would agree with that argument if the blue car was much further up the road, like where the 7-Eleven price pillar is.

            But being on the exit driveway, I would say it's the blue car's reponsibility to be aware of all road traffic and not just those to their right, as per abb's quote.

            I would also add that they didn't perform the proper checks or aren't driving responsibility if they a) didn't see the OP intending to turn right, b) did but didn't foresee that the OP would do so when the opposite lanes were clear or c) did foresee that but still entered the road in the manner that they did anyway, believing they had the right of way.

        • aboogee on 30/09/2020 - 16:27
          +1

          I think both cars need to be more careful
          Its normal for drivers to make mistake and hence no point trying to say who is right or wrong after the fact, especially if it could be fatal.
          For OP, the best thing OP could have done is to be aware of the blue cars intent to turn left and assess whether he'd pause a while to monitor

        • trankillity on 01/10/2020 - 08:33
          -2

          I'm not sure, but I feel like your quote only applies exactly as it reads - vehicle travelling on the road. OP wasn't travelling on the road, he was turning across the road.

          • lainey13 on 01/10/2020 - 10:28
            +8

            @trankillity: ??? The OP was travelling on the road. Granted he was on the far side, but it's still the same road? Blue car was exiting a petrol station and NOT on the road?!

            • whooah1979 on 01/10/2020 - 10:30
              -2

              @lainey13: The vid shows that both vehicles are fully on the road at the point of the near contract.

              • lainey13 on 01/10/2020 - 10:31

                @whooah1979: The point of contact is not the point at which to notice other vehicles around you. The OP was most likely indicating and slowing down to turn, which the blue car should have noticed if they were paying even an ounce of attention.

          • abb on 01/10/2020 - 12:19
            +2

            @trankillity: If you click the prior link to Reg. 74, you will see that I truncated my quote before the bit the specifically included turning vehicles.

            But unfortunately travelling is not defined in the road rules dictionary. However within the definition of line of traffic it is made clear that it includes stopped vehicles, so I think it's fair to include stopped (but not parked) and turning cars within travelling.

            "line of traffic" means—
            (a) 2 or more vehicles travelling in line along a road (whether or not the vehicles are actually moving, but not including vehicles in a marked lane), or
            (b) a single vehicle, other than a vehicle that is part of a line of traffic under paragraph (a), that is travelling along a road (whether or not the vehicle is actually moving, but not including a vehicle in a marked lane).

            http://www5.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104…

        • nathand on 01/10/2020 - 16:46
          +2

          Exactly, it's scary, there should be no argument.

        • darkmattersunB6c0MV on 01/10/2020 - 17:51
          +7

          I agree, Blue car was wrong. OP did the right thing and the blue car should give-way, as it is not currently on the road. But please note that it is better to be cautious than be in an accident.

        • OrderedChaos on 02/10/2020 - 19:28

          Agree with you abb however… the road design is terrible. Intersecting paths with entry points directly across from each other… that's asking for trouble. Easily prevented by the Blue car lane having an explicit yield, rather than implicit yield.

      • wizzlesticks on 01/10/2020 - 01:33
        +23

        Yep, blue car is definitely at fault for failing to give way to traffic already on the road. Also, I haven't read all the comments to see if this was already mentioned, but blue car also crossed a solid painted traffic island in order to enter the road before OP's car, putting them further at fault.

        • capslock janitor on 01/10/2020 - 12:42
          +6

          I'm very surprised peeps said OP wrong.
          A minor addition to all above, there's a No Entry sign to that driveway.

          Blue needs to give way to (main) road users first.

        • Harold Halfprice on 01/10/2020 - 20:25
          +2

          100% blue is at fault.

          You have to give way to traffic already on the road. Including traffic on the other side, or in the median strip, waiting to turn.

      • AustriaBargain on 01/10/2020 - 22:13

        Who was meant to give way to who tho.

    • compugrid on 02/10/2020 - 13:37
      -2

      The Blue car is correct because it is on the main road and OP has to give it a way.

    • NatoTomato on 30/09/2020 - 07:30
      +9

      It's a stupid question. He didn't damage anything, and whether he has insurance doesn't change the right of way rules.

      • Godric on 30/09/2020 - 08:05
        -4

        But OP could of been involved in an accident, and if uninsured this would be a lesson learned to get insurance.

        • innov on 30/09/2020 - 11:23
          +1

          Thanks for the hypothetical.

          • Godric on 30/09/2020 - 11:30
            -3

            @innov: Thanks for thanking the hypothetical.

            1 less hypothetical Uninsured Accident Thread.

        • mimik13 on 01/10/2020 - 11:27
          +6

          "But OP could of been involved in an accident"

          'could have' and not 'could of'

          Example., I could have let this go and in hindsight, I should have.

          https://grammarist.com/usage/could-have-couldve-or-could-of/

          • blint000 on 01/10/2020 - 15:37
            +1

            @mimik13: I appreciate your commitment to correct grammar.

  • trankillity on 29/09/2020 - 19:45
    +1

    I'm actually not sure, but I feel like this is one of those "always give way to your right". To your right, was the blue car. To their right, was the road they were trying to merge onto. So judging by that rule, you should have given way to the blue car. Blue car was also merging into traffic, whereas you were turning across it. I certainly know which one is more dangerous…

    • Ozbargainer7491 on 30/09/2020 - 17:57
      +2

      am i having a stroke or do you have your left and rights around the wrong way?

      • [Deactivated] on 30/09/2020 - 19:11
        +1

        I think 'To their right' should be 'To their left' and we're good. Or maybe I am having a stroke, also. Either way… help me.

    • bmerigan on 30/09/2020 - 22:01
      +7

      That's not even a rule…

      • mskram on 30/09/2020 - 22:27
        +3

        I think they meant heuristic rather than rule.

    • itsasteal on 03/10/2020 - 00:42

      The rule is to oncoming traffic but you are on the right track.

  • apple2016 on 29/09/2020 - 19:53
    +96

    I think the blue car needs to give way as it is entering the road and need to give way to traffic on the road

    • apsilon on 29/09/2020 - 20:01
      +14

      This is my thinking as well. A vehicle entering the road needs to give way to vehicles already on the road. At the same time it's common sense that they would've been looking to their right and not have seen OP to their left and OP should expect them to be looking for a gap to pull out and not be looking in their direction.

      • apple2016 on 29/09/2020 - 20:27
        +7

        I agree with defensive driving. It’s better to be safe. Op did have good visibility of the other car could have anticipated a dangerous situation.

        • MrFrugalSpend on 30/09/2020 - 22:17
          +3

          OP did stop without hitting them so they did discharge a duty to avoid the accident… different story had they ploughed on in

    • abb on 30/09/2020 - 11:54
      +29

      I think so too. Here's the law:
      http://www5.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104…

      (1) A driver entering a road from a road related area, or adjacent land, without traffic lights or a stop sign, stop line, give way sign or give way line must give way to—
      (a) any vehicle travelling on the road

    • Banville on 30/09/2020 - 12:33
      +10

      This!! Blue car was probably just looking at the right for oncoming cars thinking "I only have to worry about one direction" but they needed to be more situationally aware.
      OP wasnt at fault, I appreciate their humble tone in asking whether they were at fault though.

    • spersephone on 30/09/2020 - 15:41
      +9

      The blue car should give way to all vehicles already on the road.

    • cydia9k on 01/10/2020 - 14:55
      +2

      Yep this, OP is on the roadway and blue is entering a roadway from private property - makes it pretty clear legally.

      I blame the road layout for this confusion, I think there needs to be some signage to help drivers determine the right of way with no ambiguity.

      • spersephone on 01/10/2020 - 18:43

        That driveway is really confusing, it looks almost like a street, but then it looks like the blue car is on the wrong side of the road.

      • Kangal on 30/09/2020 - 13:07
        +45

        The blue car is NOT on the road.
        It is in the driveway/exit of the petrol station.

        The one breaking the law is the Blue Car.

        • ShortyX on 02/10/2020 - 08:30
          -1

          Fair enough - looking again, the blue car is still on the driveway. But what if it had moved out onto the bitumen part of the road while waiting for traffic to its right to clear - would OP need to give way then?

          • apsilon on 02/10/2020 - 08:32
            +2

            @ShortyX: I don't think they could without obstructing traffic which would again put them in the wrong.

            • ShortyX on 02/10/2020 - 08:39

              @apsilon: Obligatory paint diagram… would waiting on the yellow section block oncoming traffic to its right?

              • Kangal on 02/10/2020 - 10:58

                @ShortyX: I think that still qualifies as the driveway.
                If the petrol station wasn't there, that spot would be the pedestrian walkway, which is definitely not "on-road". You can see that part was constructed specifically to service the driveway.

                However, arguing at this level of detail only makes sense in a severe situation with allowed long discussion (ie Court). I don't think the short-hand dialogue with say the other driver, or the insurance guys will be fruitful. Insurance guys will fall on the side of lazy, and simply call an accident a 50/50 fault from both parties.

              • apsilon on 02/10/2020 - 11:48

                @ShortyX: I think it would, yes. If I was driving along there and the blue car started moving out of the driveway I'd assume they were going regardless of traffic and hit the horn and brakes.

      • berry580 on 01/10/2020 - 21:27

        Blue car is still attempting to enter the road, thank you.

      • JungliChilli on 02/10/2020 - 08:15

        Lulzzzzzzz

      • compugrid on 02/10/2020 - 09:25

        I'll give you a plus , because the blue car at the moment of the accident would be on the main road. The Blue car has got on the main road first and the OP has to give it a way.

    • forumninja on 29/09/2020 - 20:21
      +6

      OP is in NSW, here's the relevant page: https://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/view/html/inforce/current…

      • field1985 on 29/09/2020 - 20:38
        +1

        That's not relevant. The blue car had entered and was travelling along the roadway from OP's reference frame. OP was crossing oncoming traffic and was in the wrong.

        • Dumax on 29/09/2020 - 21:50
          +15

          Pretty hard to argue that the blue car had "entered" the roadway if they are driving across a traffic island…

          • field1985 on 29/09/2020 - 22:53

            @Dumax: Not really. If the blue car was not on the roadway the near accident wouldn't have occured.

            • abb on 30/09/2020 - 11:59
              +10

              @field1985:

              If the blue car was not on the roadway the near accident wouldn't have occured.

              Similarly, if the blue car had correctly waited in the driveway and given way to OP, the near accident would have been avoided.

              • Strahany on 30/09/2020 - 12:03
                -7

                @abb: OP wasn’t “on the road” at the time Blue Car had an opportunity to legally enter the road, because the OP was still waiting for the final car to pass before being allowed to turn right, therefore Blue Car did not have to give way.

                Had the Blue Car hesitated before entering the road, such that OP had already commenced their turn, then the Blue Car would be in the wrong as OP would (in that situation) have met the criteria of being “on the road”.

                • MrFrugalSpend on 30/09/2020 - 21:23
                  +6

                  @Strahany: Strahany you are confused - that's not what 'on the road' means. The OP was on the road the entire time as they are in the process of driving. OP doesn't leave the road at any point in the video. On the other hand, the Blue car is entering the roadway (whether it be from a road related area (which includes a shoulder) or the adjacent land being the service station - they were stopped back on the concrete which is clearly not yet on the road. Both parties accelerate at the same time from that point which means the Blue car is entering the road and should have been giving way to all cars whether at left or right.

                  This is quite clear in the road rules. It even clarifies "any other vehicle ahead of the driver’s vehicle or approaching from the left or right." - See comment

                • JungliChilli on 02/10/2020 - 08:18
                  +1

                  @Strahany: Umm lulz?

              • field1985 on 30/09/2020 - 12:51
                -4

                @abb: Why would the blue car wait in the driveway for a car doing a turn across their roadway? Do you stop in traffic to let cars turn across you?

                • abb on 30/09/2020 - 14:25
                  +10

                  @field1985:

                  Why would the blue car wait in the driveway for a car doing a turn across their roadway?

                  Because that's the law. If you're entering the road, you have to give way to all vehicles already on the road. Yes, even if they're turning across your desired path.

                  http://www5.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104…

                  Do you stop in traffic to let cars turn across you?

                  Irrelevant. In traffic implies already on the road, so the rule about entering the road does not apply.

                  • field1985 on 30/09/2020 - 14:47
                    -5

                    @abb: Again… "That's not relevant. The blue car had entered and was travelling along the roadway from OP's reference frame. OP was crossing oncoming traffic and was in the wrong."

                    You are interpreting the law incorrectly. It means give way to traffic travelling on the road, not to give way to some random making a right turn some distance down the road. If that was the law no one would ever be able to leave their drive-way.

                    • abb on 30/09/2020 - 16:45
                      +2

                      @field1985: It appears to me that the blue vehicle entered Blaxland Rd approximately simultaneously as OP begun to move across Blaxland Rd (which they were already travelling on) into Anzac Av. Viewed from the inertial reference frame of the road surface, that is.

                      I have provided the link which I believe backs up my position. Please point out the specific error of interpretation you believe I am making from the law. Saying "nah you're wrong" is a very weak argument.

                    • berry580 on 01/10/2020 - 21:47
                      +4

                      @field1985: I hope you don't practice what you preach. As you'd be a danger to all on the road.

          • whooah1979 on 30/09/2020 - 00:54
            +2

            @Dumax: Motorists do that all the time when they want to turn right at an intersection.

          • MrFrugalSpend on 30/09/2020 - 22:19
            +1

            @Dumax: exactly right, an 'area that divides the road' is part of the 'road related areas' that is not the road itself - s13(1)(a) of the road rules in NSW

          • eyeJK on 02/10/2020 - 13:21

            @Dumax: For what it's worth there is no reason for the blue car to drive over the painted lines as it is attempting to turn into one of the two lanes on the road. Having said that, it won't change who was wrong would it?

        • MrFrugalSpend on 30/09/2020 - 21:45
          +14

          Note: I maintain the road designer / authority that approved this access location was most in the wrong. See Previous Comment
          However for the case of the cars in question - see below:

          Re: @field1985:

          "That's not relevant. The blue car had entered and was travelling along the roadway from OP's reference frame. OP was crossing oncoming traffic and was in the wrong."

          No that's not right. It is quite clear in the video and road rules.
          1. The Blue car is parked in the driveway, on the concrete, both cars are stationary. OP is already on the road and has been the whole time (Note: it is not relevant which of the roadways, just that OP is on a road already and not parked off the road in a property or shoulder etc - OP can even be turning into the road - s74(1)(a)).
          2. Then they both start moving at approximately the same time. The Blue Car is at that point "entering a road" from adjacent land or a road related area which includes among other things a footpath, shoulder, and an area that divides the road (s13(1))(i.e. the linemarked traffic separation island), all of which are things that the Blue Car drives over next.
          3. Accordingly, the Blue Car is crossing from adjacent land and running over "road related areas" (but still not yet the road) and must give way to all vehicles on the road (s71) which includes the OP when crossing the edge line into the lane of traffic onto the road regardless of whether on the left or right as the rules specifically state (s71(1)(d)) (see extract below):

          74 Giving way when entering a road from a road related area or adjacent land
          (1) A driver entering a road from a road related area, or adjacent land, without traffic lights or a stop sign, stop line, give way sign or give way line must give way to—
          (a) any vehicle travelling on the road or turning into the road…and
          (d) for a driver entering the road from a road related area—…
          (ii) any other vehicle ahead of the driver’s vehicle or approaching from the left or right.

          Note 2—
          Adjacent land or a road related area can include a driveway, service station or shopping centre—see the definitions of adjacent land and road related area.

          13 What is a road related area
          (1) A road related area is any of the following—
          (a) an area that divides a road,
          (b) a footpath or nature strip adjacent to a road,
          (c) an area that is not a road and that is open to the public and designated for use by cyclists or animals,
          (d) an area that is not a road and that is open to or used by the public for driving, riding or parking vehicles.
          Note—
          … a reference in these Rules (except in this Division) to a road related area includes a reference to—…
          (b) any shoulder of a road, or
          (c) any other area that is a footpath or nature strip as defined in the Dictionary…

          Note 1—
          Shoulder is defined in rule 12.

          12 What is a road
          (1) A road is an area that is open to or used by the public and is developed for, or has as one of its main uses, the driving or riding of motor vehicles. …
          (2) However, unless the contrary intention appears, a reference in these Rules (except in this Division) to a road does not include a reference to—…
          (b) any shoulder of the road.
          Note—…
          (3) The shoulder of the road includes any part of the road that is not designed to be used by motor vehicles in travelling along the road, and includes—
          (a) for a kerbed road—any part of the kerb, and
          (b) for a sealed road—…any sealed part of the road outside an edge line on the road…

          There are many aspects to this that make it clear the Blue Car has to give way.

        • forumninja on 03/10/2020 - 08:55
          -1

          That's not relevant.

          How are the NSW road rules not relevant to this discussion when OP is in NSW?

    • compugrid on 02/10/2020 - 13:34
      -3

      You are wrong. The blue car is on the main road. OP almost collided with a car on the main road. The island shows the the driveway belongs to Anzac, which is part of the main road.

    • itsasteal on 03/10/2020 - 00:44

      They are referring to oncoming traffic You need to understand this.

  • Euphemistic on 29/09/2020 - 20:00
    +30

    Unsure. Probably the car leaving a property should give way to all vehicles on the road. However, if I was turning right in that situation it wouldn’t surprise me if the blue car didn’t see me preparing to turn right because they were concentrating on the traffic from their right.

    And my usual: There is no right of way in traffic law. There is only a responsibility to give way. It’s a subtle but important distinction.

    • Charlatan on 30/09/2020 - 10:18
      +1

      Out of curiosity why is the distinction important?

      • dizzle on 30/09/2020 - 10:46
        +8

        Because if people think they have right of way they are less likely to avoid accidents.

        Watch dashcamsaustralia on YouTube and there are many examples of accidents at merges that happen because the "right of way" person closes the gap on the merger when they don't need to. Yes, technically the merger has to give way, but that doesn't mean you have to be a d*** and cause an accident.

        • Charlatan on 30/09/2020 - 10:50
          +2

          Good point. There is an idiot in most of us that shows up exclusively when we're behind the wheel of a car.

        • DeToxin on 01/10/2020 - 23:13
          +1

          This comment doesn't have enough + votes. People exercising their right of way when they could just as easily allow someone in causes too many avoidable accidents.

          On the post itself, I think that the blue car is in the wrong and that the people arguing otherwise think so because Anzac Ave is closer to OP than the petrol station exit - meaning anyone coming from beyond Anzac Ave they consider to be 'oncoming traffic' and thus have right of way. I don't think the law would be interpreted this way.

          The golden rule is that this law is intended to ensure people entering the road give way to everyone on the road and you would have a hard time convincing anyone that the blue car didn't just enter the road.

          Having said that, I probably would have waited for the blue car to go because it would have been out of my way quicker (less distance to travel before my/OPs path is clear)

    • Whisper Quiet on 30/09/2020 - 11:20
      +4

      From road rules it should be blue car to give way as they are not on a road. If it was me I would have waited to see what the blue car did first just in case. There's a few roads like this that you're better off waiting that extra second or two to see what the other driver does.

    • Kangal on 30/09/2020 - 13:19
      +4

      I'm on the same wavelength.
      Technically the Blue Car is in the wrong, lazy bastards working at the Insurance claims would say 50/50 though.

      From a "practicality" point, the OP is in the wrong.
      If I was OP I would've actually defensively hesitated and let him through because, 1 there's not much traffic, and 2 I am unsure if Blue Car noticed me or will give me way. It's much cheaper to drive defensively, than to drive carelessly and hope your insurance saves you from all things motor-related.

      • MrFrugalSpend on 30/09/2020 - 21:59
        +1

        I agree with this - technically there is fault of the person who designed the road / access location that doesn't comply with standards, but in terms of these cars driving to conditions the Blue car is technically at fault because of the entering the road give way requirement, but the OP should have an ultimately did use their requirement to avoid an accident by stopping… Had the OP not stopped, they would have had to give just cause given they had clear view to see the blue car and avoid it.

  • [Deactivated] on 29/09/2020 - 20:01
    +8

    Waiting for the "there's no such thing as a right of way" comment.

    • WoodYouLikeSomeCash on 29/09/2020 - 20:01
      +7

      You got it!

      There is no right of way in traffic law.

      • [Deactivated] on 29/09/2020 - 20:05
        +3

        Bah. Beaten whilst I was typing le comment.

    • bobbified on 29/09/2020 - 21:01

      What comment? 🤣

      Edit - I was way too slow!

  • dizzle on 29/09/2020 - 20:03
    +6

    Realistically you are both performing maneuvers where you have to give way to cars already on the road (entering the road Vs crossing oncoming traffic).

    The way I see it is that by the time you are both in a position to meet, he is on the road and you would have to give way to him. As well as that (as mentioned above) you are in a better position to anticipate what will go wrong - him looking right to enter the road and you being the other direction, where you are looking straight towards him while monitoring oncoming traffic.

  • MT2010 on 29/09/2020 - 20:04
    +6

    Blue car is wrong - it should not have crossed into the island which then go across in front of you.

    https://yingtongli.me/blog/2019/01/18/arr-cross-island.html

    • Orico on 29/09/2020 - 21:34
      -3

      I'm not clicking on that asian website link. XI Jing Ping probably ready to catch me

      • scrimshaw on 29/09/2020 - 22:28
        +3

        The author of that blog is actually Aussie. You can see their resume on that blog

    • dizzle on 29/09/2020 - 22:34
      +4

      To be fair, I think he crossed over the hash marks to avoid the OP

  • jackinyourbox on 29/09/2020 - 20:05
    +2

    Blue wrong

  • trustnoone on 29/09/2020 - 20:07
    -1

    It may be state specific but basically I was taught back when I was with a learners teaching guy that you're never allowed to u-turn if theres a car across the road because the car won't know that you're u-turning. Instead you should turn into that gas station (or road) and u-turn further down the street.

    I could be wrong though, I don't drive anymore.

    • whitelie on 30/09/2020 - 07:42
      +5

      They didn't do a U-turn. It's a right hand turn but the road bends around to the left so it's more than a 90 degree turn.

      • trustnoone on 30/09/2020 - 09:59
        +3

        Oh you're right, looks like I didn't watch it properly, thanks for the heads up.

  • Findo on 29/09/2020 - 20:12
    +14

    The blue car was wrong. See Road Rules 2014 (NSW) r 74(1)(d)

    A driver entering a road from a road related area…without traffic lights or a stop sign, stop line, give way sign or give way line must give way to any other vehicle ahead of the driver’s vehicle or approaching from the left or right.

    • ShortyX on 29/09/2020 - 20:15

      Is the blue car on a road related area or on a road?

      • pegaxs on 29/09/2020 - 20:56
        -4

        This. Blue car has left the road related area and is now on the main road, OP is turning across blue cars path. OP must give way.

        • Bjingo on 30/09/2020 - 18:09
          +4

          Wouldn't this imply its whoever is faster gets right of way, if OP had accelerated faster he'd have been the one already there and the blue car would be turning into him. From my experience road rules aren't designed to benefit those who drive unsafely.

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