WD 12 TB Elements Desktop External Hard Drive $304 + Delivery (Free with Prime) @ Amazon UK via AU
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￥1,406.26 + ￥295.77 Estimated Shipping and Import Fee Deposit
1,702.03 Chinese Yuan equals 341.45 Australian Dollar
yes, but free Prime delivery seems to be an option
No your Prime won't work in Amazon CN
What do people use this for?
A paper weight??
;-)
Door stopper
All kinds of Movies
take the drive out, chuck it in a NAS.
Downloading akhm, large ISO's, storing family photos, videos…..everything else and replicating storage to DR NAS for off-site backup (via FreeNAS)
Linux ISOs.
shucking for the white sticker 12TB "red" drive they contain. Good for NAS usage.
To put it where the sun don't shine.
Shuckable?
Yes.
aww shucks
Thought my $130 10tb would last me a while… Then I started getting 4k movies lol ordered cheers op
Nice… I am still downloading 720p.
Other than price - is there any reason why we shouldn't just get a Western Digital Ultrastar DC SATA HDD? I feel like even if the drive fails after ~4 years you'd be better off with an Ultrastar
This is OzBargain, for price conscious folks. We don't pay full price on anything, including HDD's. Occasionally, you'll find discounter WD Ultrastar DC drives here.
Speak for yourself.
Well "other than price" is a pretty big qualifier. It's like asking "other than price" is there any reason we shouldn't get a mansion, stay at 5* hotels, drive fancy cars…etc.
Depends on what you do. If you have a commercial application and your livelihood or business relies on uptime, then yes, just go for the Ultrastar. If you're just storing your movie collection for home use, then get this.
No reason other than price.
Good price but now I’m gonna sit tight and fill up my drives a bit more before adding a 4th and 5th drive. Hopefully by then 16 or 18TB will be cheaper!
Yeah same here. Still have 15tb space left on my nas. It’ll be a while til it’s filled up. I’ll wait for another $280 deal to come again!
Are there any higher capacity drives which don't require additional power?
Anything in a 2.5" format except for Raptors.
thanks
thanks
I'm pretty sure all 3.5" external backup drives use additional power.
Most 2.5" external backup drives don't need additional power.
Got ya.
What do you mean by additional power?
Just plug into the computer, no power adapter.
Sounds like mkm might be the only person not looking to shuck?
How hard is it to shuck?
I have an array of 10tb drives already, but these 12tb seem to go on sale more often…. what to do
what to do
You could move to an array type which allows you to mix and drive sizes so you have more flexibility, I suppose.
Buy the 12TB, format to 10TB and use in array. Later if you have more of the 12s either create a separate partition on the 2TB free space or convert the whole thing to use 12TB partitions
Of course this is on Linux software raid, your options are limited by what your hardware / software support.
would you guys recommend running these in 24/7 very light use PC ? or am I better of getting the Western Digital WD Ultrastar 14TB that were listed on here recently for around $400 delivered inc taxes etc ?
Yeah these are fine for media storage, the Ultrastar would be better for running games off but you should be using an ssd anyway for that purpose.
Ordered 3 (which is the limit). Ideally would have liked 4 to balance a mirror but will take what I can get, the last offer didn't last long.
Would ideally like a cheap Seagate or other manufacturer's drive of 12TB for the other half of my mirrors - I don't like having the same kind and manufacturing date of drive for both - a mirror is only good if one side fails at a completely different time to the other side.
Ordered 2. thanks OP.
F. Literally bought two of these for $341 each…
Not only did cash rewards not work for some reason but now they're cheaper.
Having bought from Amazon US->AU and UK->AU I can say that US is way faster. I don't think $80 faster though…
So, this is a great deal.
Yeah, get on it.
r/datahorders recommends them. you can pull the disks out and use them as normal SATA drives. I've got 2 and then just ordered 2 more to put all 4 in a HP microserver running ZFS
i am not sure if this is a pmr or cmr hard drive, but be alert if it is cmr, can be very slow if you use as a NAS or system drive.
Do your research before jumping into such reply, there are plenty of research available here, ops normally don't even have the paitience to explain again and again.
PMR is the same as CMR.
You're thinking of SMR, which this drive will not be - No WD drives larger than 6TB are SMR.
Not anymore… WD got called out on their newer models and fessed up to it. Sneaky, sneaky.
That's what they got called out on. They submarined SMR drives into their 3.5" Blue and Red lineups, of which none smaller than 2TB or larger than 6TB are SMR. They also make Blue and Black 2.5" SMR drives, of which any larger than 500GB are SMR.
@Trance N Dance: I guess you didn't see the latest reports of some users claiming their 8 and 10tb have SMR tendencies.
@Whisper Quiet: No TRIM support which anything SMR should have (drive managed that is). Also believe people had WD confirm in writing that they aren't SMR.
@Whisper Quiet: WD have released a full list of their lineup indicating which of their drives are SMR and CMR.
In case I did miss it, care to inform everyone here of these recent claims?
Thanks got another
I take it warranty is still an issue shucking?
Not if you keep the original casing and parts to put it back in if you need to return it…
My prior shucks many years ago were a little destructive. Not sure i'd be much better now.
Can't comment on how difficult they were in the past, but the past couple I've done (10TB and 12TB WDs) have been straightforward with a couple of old membership cards! Slide them in to lift the tabs, and then the assembly slides off and you get the drive out with a couple of loosened screws
@aragornelessar: WD is significantly easier than Seagates to shuck based on my recent (and amateur) experience.
I really need at least 4, anyone tried to place two separate orders in past and they were shipped ok ?
Why bother. Create another account and get guaranteed orders. Might use free prime trial as well.
Perfect timing. Got four from one of the last deals and one of them had a helium failure!
Really? What happened? Was it obvious?
So, I put the first one in my FreeNAS box, it resilvered fine, I put the second one in and it wouldn't recognise it, no matter what SATA port or power I put it in, but would recognise in a dock in windows fine.
Got around to playing with it today, looked at the first drive I put in, showed attribute 22 as fine, took it around to a mate's place, his attribute 22 is helium and all his showed fine, put my fault drive in the dock, checked it using smartctl as per the others, this is the error - https://imgur.com/a/vA5zZCC
The only obvious thing was it wouldn't want horizontally in the FreeNAS box, but would vertically in the dock under winderz. Took it as a hit on the chin as I'd destroyed the plastic casing and the other 2 cases I had show the HDD serial on the outside, so didn't think I could return it to Amazon.
Damn, that is a shame. Did you test out the drive much before you put it in?
@jace88: Negative, but I have done so on the remaining two drives and will do so on the last drive when it arrives!
According to this guy (and also several forum posts I've seen) it appears shucked drives can be warrantied - you might need to send it direct to WD instead of Amazon. Worth having a chat to an Amazon rep first, then if that fails see what WD support says regarding RMA.
https://youtu.be/OdRtYu0nIcU
The HDD S/N should be somewhere on the bare drive 's label in addition to the small sticker on the back of the enclosure.
Lol pls dont tell me there was batch defect.
So, I put the first one in my FreeNAS box, it resilvered fine, I put the second one in and it wouldn't recognise it, no matter what SATA port or power I put it in, but would recognise in a dock in windows fine.
Got around to playing with it today, looked at the first drive I put in, showed attribute 22 as fine, took it around to a mate's place, his attribute 22 is helium and all his showed fine, put my fault drive in the dock, checked it using smartctl as per the others, this is the error - https://imgur.com/a/vA5zZCC
The only obvious thing was it wouldn't want horizontally in the FreeNAS box, but would vertically in the dock under winderz. Took it as a hit on the chin as I'd destroyed the plastic casing and the other 2 cases I had show the HDD serial on the outside, so didn't think I could return it to Amazon.
Are the 4 drives you bought all from the same manufacturing batch?
@TightTerry: I think each lot of two were from the same batch, but the two batches were from separate batches
I've returned a shucked drive successfully before. Not sure if it was a WD or Seagate. The internal drive had a serial sticker on it (happened to be different from the number on the case) and I checked on the website and it reported it was still under warranty. Had to pay $15 or so to mail it back, but was sent a replacement drive. Can the serial number info be retrieved from interrogating the drive ROM? You might get away with using the number from the destroyed case or box or invoice, even though it isn't visible physically on the drive.
@endotherm: If you call wd and request a collection, they send FedEx to collect from your house and you don't need to pay any shipping. Need to ask for it though
@endotherm: It's probably not a Seagate.
Seagate is stricter or at least with my shucked barracuda drive: "Please contact the place of purchase."
"This product was originally sold as a part of a larger system. Please contact the system manufacturer or your place of purchase for warranty support."
Are HDD's like RAM, in that you should only combine the same brand/type/size in your NAS?
Nope. But make sure you understand how different drives might impact an array's performance (if that matters/if you're using RAID or SHR) and also the limitations for how adding drives to an array works.
The only thing which I was a bit weary of was why Synology claim some drives are listed as compatible with certain models of NAS but not others. I think it's due to the mount and the middle screw but this wasn't really an issue for me in my use case.
Cheers mate! I recently bought this NAS https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/557883 and I only have the 1 x 12tb hdd from the previous deal. Thanks to your help I believe I should go with an SHR setup so I can add more hdd later on. Am I understanding that right?
Unless there's another SHR, you won't be able to run a Synology Hybrid Raid on a Terramaster as far as I'm aware…
@aragornelessar: Oh whoops, I didn't realise it was unique to the Synology devices. Thanks for pointing that out!
has anyone found a thing that can power multiple external hard drives at once? I have 2 and have just been swapping the power between them as I need to. Be nice to have both connected at once tho.
Any 12V PSU that can output >=3amps should work. Not sure such a thing exists with pre wired 2x DC plugs for output though. Did one ages ago to power my cable modem and router with a single PSU. Had 2 x +/- screw terminals for outputs, so just grabbed some dual core DC wire, soldered DC plugs on one end, crimped fork terminals on the other. If you had a power brick with high enough output (know I have at least 4.5A and 10A ones lying around), then would need a DC jack to 2x DC plugs so you could connect it to 2 HDDs. Once again, not sure if such a thing exists, but again, you could make one if you have the parts. Both DC jacks and plugs can be bought with screw/spring terminals, so you don't actually need to solder. HDD should be 5.5x2.1mm.
Can I put it in Ds918+ ? Already have two 8TB (Seagate Ironwolf) in 2 bays…thinking couple of this to put in other bays. Will it be a good idea?
Assuming you have an SHR setup, then yes. Just remember your largest drive won't contribute to your usable storage (less DSM reserved space). eg. if you have 8TB and 8TB, you only have 8TB of usable space (since the largest drive is one of the 8TB drives). Adding a 12TB drive to the SHR array means you'll have 16TB (since the 12TB becomes the largest drive) and would be no different to if you added an 8TB drive. If you add a pair of 12TB drives, then you'll have 8+8+12 = 28TB in usable space (since one of the 12TB drives becomes the largest drive).
And you can only add equal larger drives to an SHR array… so if you add a 12TB now, you won't be able to add an 8TB again in the future.
(TL;DR yes good idea. If you plan to add larger drives, you need to add them in a pair to make the most of the increased capacity)
… and before someone jumps in, when I say "usable space", I haven't deducted overheads/etc from DSM.
Thanks mate! That helps a lot. Ordered 2 of these. Now scratching my head if to use one for offsite Backup or just put both of them in by empty bays! 🤔
I gave my old NAS to my parents, installed two new 8TB drives and set it up as a Hyper Backup Vault to be my own NAS' offsite backup :) Even with 50Mbps NBN, still works great for weekly backups.
@jace88: Jace88 is correct. use this link to see your options.
https://www.synology.com/en-au/support/RAID_calculator?hdds=4%20TB|4%20TB
Jac88 is correct. use this link to see your options.
https://www.synology.com/en-au/support/RAID_calculator?hdds=4%20TB|4%20TB
Noooooo! Why did I buy a 4TB WD for $200 less than 2 months ago :(
That's even expensive for a portable 2.5" HD.
Also can you believe it just failed yesterday?
Western Digital failed just in two months…. never had that happen before.
Quesiton:
Instead of getting an internal hard drive, how reliable would it be if to use this kind of destop drive on a day to day basis?
The PC hence will only install a SSD drive, and by reliable, the lifespan and performance stability is the major concern.
Thanks!
HDD will likely run hotter as an external drive. Got vents top and bottom, relying on natural convection to cool. Just rubber bumpers on the base though to allow cool air to flow in. Mounted internally there should be fans forcing air past. The USB to SATA PCB would also be an additional point of failure, along with the power adapter.
Thanks for answering, in that case, are people buying it purely as a backup disk?
Lot of people (maybe most?) buying purely to remove the internal 3.5" SATA drive.
Wonder if there's a market for the cases? Shame for all that plastic to end up in landfills. Whole bunch of unwanted US/UK 12V adapters to.
Is that with or without GST?