I used my first Apple product in 2007 and since then I have tried couple of times to adapt Android and Windows but always fails my latest attempt was with Google Pixel 4 but to be honest!
Safari, iMessages, AirDrops, AirPods and no lags as well as It Just Works thingy is hard to defy.
I have Pixel 4 sitting in my drawer since last one month, I used to on weekends but it doesn’t appeal me.
Feel free to share your love and hate for Apple.
You need to find a job at the Apple marketing team, your identified unique selling points are extremely accurate!
You forgot removing the headphone jack and making $200 wireless earbuds which only last two years, if you don't lose them first. Truly innovative.
You can use whatever wireless earbuds you want to. Personally I’m over the wired ear buds, they are a pain to manage,
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Between 3 of us.
2 x 13" MacBook Pro
1 x MacBook Air 2020
1 x 27" 5K iMac
1 x 11' iPad Pro
1 x iPad Air 3
1 x iPhone XR
1 x iPhone 11 Pro
1 x iPhone 7
2 x Apple TV 4K
3 x AirPods
1 x beats studio wireless
Everything.
1 x Samsung 55" TV lol.
Being able to run iPhone and iPads apps on an Apple Silicon mac.
Take that Android fan boys and girls.
Running full MacOS on an iPad Pro. I'm guessing if Apple do this it won't support previous iPad Pros, but it'd still be pretty amazing, having a powerful Mac the size of an iPad Pro that also doubles as an iPad Pro, with the ability to pass and share files between the two operating systems which constantly run over each other.
Running full MacOS on an iPad Pro
Yeah nah! I don't want my iPad Pro to drain battery.
To the person who negged me, you must be feeling pretty salty.
1995 called man…
I just like them because easy of use. Very simple and straight forward, even though i have been building and tinkering with windows & pc's my whole life, i appreciate the simplicity of the apple product. they just work well.
I have gone off the brand as of this week, will not bother with 'Apple Silicon' MBPs. The trackpad and keyboard stopped working here on a Macbook Retina 12. In safeboot & recovery it would work. Once logged on the machine couldn't pick it up. I was going to repair it myself replacing the ribbon cable by following the ifixit guide. Then there were multiple issues like needing to plug in specifically a iPhone wall charger with USB A to C cable to gently power it back up avoiding logic board issues. Machine had light use for 5 years. So disappointed in the quality. It's as bad an Audi or BMW for planned obsolescence. Apple phone technicians were puzzled how it was hardware despite being told about forum posts and thousands of eBay listings for this stupid flex cable. Preparing to get ripped off by the service centre now.
Got me curious, how is it hardware issue if it works in safe boot and recovery?
Been told by one shop it's logic board. Another today said they've seen it and its not a ribbon cable but either needs logic board replacement or top case. It's a discontinued model and I keep hearing how much of a dud they are. I bet the thing would even work in Linux.
Left the Apple world after a decade last year, should have done it before. Still use my iPad, the rest is gone. Amazed to see just how far behind the iPhone has got, Apple used to innovate, now they follow IMO.
But I know lots of people still in Apple's world and super happy, so whatever floats your boat.
What phone are you using now? I’ve been thinking about ditching iPhones after almost 11 years with them but don’t know where to go…
OnePlus 7 Pro. Faster, better screen, more memory, dual sim slots & $800 outright.
Took about a week to get across 'how to do this' in android but now I'm all good.
What lacks is:-
1) No apple store for help
2) Android devices are redundant in 3 years due to a lack of updates.
3) Camera on my phone is marginally worse than my apple.
But the pro's in price/choice/customisations available makes all the difference.
I don't do anything with my phone these days so iphone does the job. Just take photos, videos, call, text, pay bills, internet banking, video calls. The basics. Iphone does it well.
It just works (99% of the time)
my daily driver Samsung galaxy S5 works 100% of time and does lot more than Iphone 11
That’s what you think and you will stick to it, the only phone I’ve ever owned that has been flaky was a Samsung. It kept rebooting itself and was a pain to setup.
Still using 2013 macbook air and iphone 7. They are durable and reliable. But latest apple hardware are just too expensive now i will probably just get a cheap android phone next.
I had to take an imac to the apple store three times to fix a broken hinge…
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For me there's two main points that make it a standout: longevity and security.
I like their focus on longevity with their ~ 5 years of updates for iOS which you will not see on Android. I'm also still using my Macbook Pro from 2013 which continually gets OS updates and still functions brilliantly.
I also like their focus on security with built in encryption into iPhones, iMessages, and encrypted iCloud backups. Also their refusal to help the FBI. And the new iOS 14 update that lets you know when apps are logging your keystrokes.
I spent nearly 10 years deriding iPhones only to realise Apple have a good product and are willing to stand by it. Once upon a time the difference in price made the iPhone a terrible proposition but that's not the case any more.
Totally agree the longevity of Apple devices is probably the biggest weakness of Android devices. As a mostly Android user, I find it woeful. 5 year old iPhones and iPad still have the latest OS, that simply does not happen on Android. Absolutely best case tends to be 3 years, and that's exceptional. Around 18 months of manufacturer updates to the current OS would be typical. That 3 x longer support period alone justifies a higher pricepoint for Apple devices. And it's hard to know which Android devices will be well supported, and will get community ROMs, and how long those ROMs will run for (which really depends on how long the volunteer maintainers wish to keep doing that). It's only in retrospect we can say the which Android devices had long lifespans, and even those require a lot of faffing about installing custom ROMs. Whereas iOS devices are all 5 years of easy updates from the manufacturer.
Main points for me are the amazing trackpad and especially integration into MacOS even on older MBP's, integration with iOS (i.e. I can use my iPad as a third display with very little/no perceptible latency) at home or on the go, stability (no crashing/freezing on both my old 13" 2013 Pro and current 16"), quality control (no creaks/bad adhesive etc), low/consistent standby consumption, time machine backups (incrementally done multiple times per day and can restore to the same/a different machine), unobtrusive updates, customer support/service etc. It does come at a price and not everyone will see the value but they're not crazily expensive for a premium product with their specs.
I can't justify spending $1500+ for an iPhone though - I like the freedom of Android, and stability-wise, there isn't much in it (was a very different story a few years back).
All I know is that for some reason people spend so much time and effort complaining about apple users with respect to everything under the sun. You'd think that if they found such a gem with android they would just get on with using it happily. Wonder why.
lol you've hit the nail on the head. They are blind to it - must comment on every Apple thread extolling the virtues of Android phones all the while sprouting absolute dribble about iPhones
I started my smartphone experience with Android and was a heavy Android fanboy, hating on Apple products when it came up in discussion.
Over time I became intrigued with the ecosystem and the sort of experience it could offer. After some time with a HTC and then a Galaxy S3 (which i thought was a great phone by the way) I tried out a secondhand iPhone 5. It was a bit smaller in comparison to the S3 and other devices on the market. But I thoroughly enjoyed the clean and consistent experience.
Since then I’ve jumped between platforms, I had a Note 4 which wasn’t the best experience and switched to the iPhone 6S Plus which I found a better experience. Then jumped back for the Note8 when it was release.
The Note8 experience is where I sort of drew the line with Android and made the decision to move to iPhone in what I would consider a permanent move for now. The battery life was shocking, the apps I had installed were standard, nothing out of the ordinary. My work emails and a few other bits and pieces running in the background. I was scrambling for a powerpoint by lunchtime, the amount of time trying to identify what is causing it, tweaking settings, changing background data/app settings to stop things running.
At this point I though, why do I need to do this, the device should handle this and provide a good experience when using what I would call standard apps and use. iPhone offers this, I hear people complain about battery life with iPhones, I’ve never experienced an iPhone having a worse battery life than any of my Android devices. In fact, they’ve been much better in every case (bar upgrading and experiencing that new battery performance etc.)
The other piece I consider here is development. Coming from a job where we deliver digital experiences to smartphones. I can tell you it’s significantly easier to develop for iOS and support the handful of models, compared to the 15,000 plus android devices. Not to mention the fragmentation of Android updates. Firstly coming from google, then each manufacturer decides which of their devices get platform updates, then it goes to each country and their telcos, who do the same thing. That in my opinion is utterly ridiculous, you end up with the same device in Aus, with different telco’s deciding whether to release an update for that model. In most cases, it’s not in the manufacturer or telco’s interest to release these, getting people to buy the latest and greatest will make them money.
Ultimately the above boils down to experience, which I’ve had a much better one with Apple. The last paragraph plays heavily in that, in which developers all over the world can make a better experience on Apple, given the consistent environment and less variables when it comes to user settings.
I have seen Android and some manufacturers make significant improvements in the way updates are delivered, but it’s nowhere near as controlled or as clean as Apple.
hating on Apple products when it came up in discussion
So how come you had this mindset at the start, despite never touching their products? It would explain a lot how many people think.
I had brief exposure to them and was of the opinion that Android was more customisable and powerful in comparison to Apple products. That eventually wore thin when things didn't work as expected and weird bugs popped up.
Ecosystem just works. Raw specs don’t need to be as high as other devices as Apple optimises the OS’s to suit the hardware they control. IOS/iPadOS devices get more major OS updates then Android. Superior support service on the rare occasion you need it.
Long gone are the days where I want to spend endless hours tinkering with my phone or computer.
IT Guy here, so here are my takes.
My main issue with apple's mobile devices is the inability to install non-approved software. Whereas on Android you can just install an APK. That is a complete dick move, bury it in the settings somewhere, make you go through an unlocking procedure and acknowledge you might void you warranty or something but don't disallow it.
That said, when Apple control the ecosystem they can provide a better experience. There are only a handful of phones and it's easy for a dev to make sure that their app works perfectly across all devices. Lack of different gpus, cpus screen sizes resolutions pixel densities etc. I'm sure this also factors into the camera hardware / software being well optimized too - Similar to the great camera quality we see out of Google's pixel devices.
Personally, I prefer Android. Less restrictive and frankly the cost of iPhones is ludicrous for a device I'm going to carry every day around and inevitably drop / damage. I'm reasonably careful with my phones, but they are still disposable for the most part.
On the laptop / desktop front you get people who compare a $2000 mac to a $300 Windows laptop. It's not a fair comparison and this leads to the 'mac is better' mantra. Compare like to like. This just brings you back to the whole hardware control thing, fact is there are good and bad windows devices out there. You can still walk into HN / JB (if you're not in Melbourne like me lol) and pick up a computer with a mechanical harddrive and pay a decent amount for it. There's a lot of crap out there and that adds to the problem.
If it's for personal use you are probably not going to see a huge difference in using either one. Just be aware that Microsoft's software suite on OSX is utter garbage, particularly Outlook.
For business, there are a lack of automation tools on the lower end of the spectrum so unless you're a sizable company with funds to throw at licensing or you're going to self manage things I guarantee you that you're IT expenditure is going to be higher than on Windows. There is a reason I don't offer flat rate unlimited support for businesses who insist to use Macs, but will for Windows devices.
You can still walk into HN / JB (if you're not in Melbourne like me lol) and pick up a computer with a mechanical harddrive and pay a decent amount for it. There's a lot of crap out there and that adds to the problem.
+100
Or you can wait for a Dell outlet sale.. and pay $1500~$2000 for a Dell business class Latitude 7xxx series with 3 years NBD onsite warranty.
In Q4 2019, I paid $1.6k for a Latitude 7400 2-in-1, i5, 8gb, 256gb SSD.
Upgraded to 1TB for $180 with a Kingston A2000 from Ozb.
Regrettable purchase from the onboard soldered RAM limitations, but I haven't actually hit any bottlenecks yet.
Disclaimer, I work for a Dell Technologies subsidiary.. but not Dell computers, facilitated over 9 laptop transactions via the outlet (works out better than staff disc), and everyone has been very very happy with the "refurbished" latitudes.
The current prices are increased thanks to COVID & AUD/USD fluctuations..
Hi!
Can I ask you an honest question? How many computers have you purchased since 2013? I also work in IT and have my macbook pro from 2013 until now, so I can't find a better value for money
I only really need to purchase a new device once the battery craps out. Haven't actually had a failure.
That's going to be the same between apple / any other manufacturer as its' just an age / use thing.
You didn’t answer my question. How many computers have you buy?
My Roomate use to make fun of Mac, and had 3 laptops since 2013. So definitely not cheaper
@nomekop: Personally I bought an Asus laptop in 2010 due to the emergence of USB 3.0, at the time it was better value to grey import one from America from Amazon at the time due to Forex and better specced than the Australian variant, also it had global warranty.
Then I bought a surface pro 2 in 2013 due to form factor and durability, Panos Panay dropped a Surface Pro (1) on stage
Asus laptop repurposed, was quite heavy for uni.
Then bought an early generation Asus Zenbook in 2014 due to the first iterations of surface pro, the surface type cover was not up to the task of constant writing.
I do not recommend Asus after owning two Asus laptops, because they are metal lined exterior with plastic interior, much like every consumer laptop, gives you the illusion of build quality.
Bought a refurb Dell Latitude 7400 2-in-1 for $1.6k in 2019 after I was provided one for work and was impressed with the build quality and have helped many others enjoy business class windows laptops.
For me it, provides an XPS-like infinity edge experience, and also functions as a tablet, and can run everything I use it for and has all the ports I require (unlike an XPS, has both USB C, USB A and HDMI.
It really is a shame the Latitude line is not sold in retail stores.
So personally, from 2014 to now, I am on my second windows machine and have no plans to change for 4-5 years as mine does come with 3 years NBD onsite technician warranty. May need to swap out the battery at the 4 year mark.
@nomekop: Provided I don't physically break them, 3 years-ish. I replace them due to batteries being embedded these days. I use a surface pro.
That said I still have my thinkpad from about 8 years ago that's perfectly fine as a spare and my wife uses my older surface (4 years) old at home.
It's the batteries that fail, and it's not economical to replace the battery in a surface so I just buy a new one once it's starting to fail.
Battery life is pretty important to me so once I'm not getting a full days usage it gets replaced. Keep in mind these are used for business, not personal usage hence the requirements.
If they were personal devices I'd probably continue using them longer.
No doubt your 2013 macbook has a dead battery by now.
Same here - late 2013 MacBook Pro myself - also an iPhone SE 2016. Both were my first purchases of those devices (had a Pioneer Laptop before that which I bought in 2008/9, it lasted until maybe 2019!)
The option to install what you want is hardly burried. The first time you go to do it, and each subsequent time if you don't unlock it, it shows you a shortcut to the setting to disable the option. For IT guys like you who know which apps to trust by reputation alone, that option is for you. For people who don't want to accidentally install some random app that could do anything, the default option is for them. Most of the apps you want will be verified, but for everything else there's the option to disable that security feature altogether. No coding required, it's toggle in the settings.
I was referring to ios not osx.
I love the price of apple products. They are so cheap and great value for money.
Quite happy with Google products with pure Android experience. I have had Nexus and Pixel products and have pre-ordered Pixel 4a few days ago. Integration with all Google services and apps on Windows and Android TV platforms is the key for being loyal to Google.
I'd encourage you to have a play with a Oneplus, I'm on my second (3T now 7 Pro) and they're fantastic, they really push that UI/UX and deliver a faster smoother experience than pixels generally speaking, with a few tweaks and extras without ever really feeling bloated.
How many times does a OnePlus receive Anrdroid version update? Pixels get 3 in a row (I was lucky my Pixel XL (2016) got 4 versions, from 7.1 to 10)
minimum 2 major after the one they ship with, sometimes 3 depending when they launch in the year, plus another year of security updates.
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Nothing!
They have created a cult of customers who blindly buy whatever new products they release. Other companies have proven they have better technology at a cheaper price. Oh yeah, Apple gouges on every product they sell. They released any new or innovative for a long long time.
To sum up, Apple are laughing all the way to the bank as they continue to base their company on marketing, spin, uninformed cult customers and very very small incremental changes to tech and products. As the famous maxim goes:
'a fool and his money is easily parted'.
Sounds like you don’t use the products, regularly, but you think you are qualified to talk about them. They are, regularly, recognised as having the best pads and smart watches on the market during reviews. Apparently “none so blind as those who will not see” applies here.
This is not something you came up with by yourself because you people have never had an original thought, merely regurgitating the same tired old cliches for years and years. It's time to let go because you aren't here to show people the light.
As the famous maxim goes:
'a fool and his money is easily parted'.
You couldn't even copy this correctly.
The Dead Sea is one of the saltiest places on earth, second only to Afah0447's hatred of Apple products. Not a single iota of a coherent argument in sight in his mindless babble - he personifies an Apple Hater.
I love both, can't wait until they develop the mac book or ipad to be an all in one. Run down of items I use pretty much on a daily basis.
IPhone 6s for work - everything just works
Galaxy s10 - beautiful phone, I run all my personal items off Google ecosystem, but looking forward to pixel 5
Airpods - it shits me when I lose it but I love them
Ms surface laptop for work - company issue no choice
Windows laptop for personal - to run task heavy functions, torrent, organise files etc
Ipad pro - my main device, taking work aside I can probably run my life using the ipad & s10, however it's not quite there yet.
Have toyed with the idea of ditching the personal laptop but then I'd have noway to say physically transfer files from my phone to an external HDD or put items onto a usb drive etc. I don't think Australian internet is sufficient to have entirely cloud based storage + security implications
Came here to read about good comments about iphone but to find out majority are negative posts.
Was about to change to iphone after android forever and for ease of file sharing with all my iphone fnf.
But now makes think twice again.
I've been with google for the past 4 phones and I can't wait to switch back to apple
Go to an actual tech website for reasoned debate about iPhones, not OzB, man.
I switched to Apple back in 2008 with a Macbook Pro & iPhone 3GS the year after (still had a PC and/or Xbox for gaming though) and after the Steve Jobs era ended their direction has gotten worse and worse.
They've become more and more anti-consumer with the sealed shut hardware (I could modify my Macbook Pro 2011 but now it's impossible) and updates that render older phones/tablets useless. Also the Macbook Pro keyboard (profanity) sucks now when it used to be perfect.
So I'm considering switching to Android/Windows devices. :(
If you love communism, you'll love Apple.
That explains why Apple sells so well in China! They need to enter the North Korean market soon or they'll miss out big time!
And Android is the equivalent of Democracy under Trump. You don’t get what you thought you were getting, the product capability is overstated by the manufacturer, support is rubbish, and the product itself is flakey as hell.
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Safari sucks but the rest is good
Probably Airdrop. Easy way to transfer files, if I'm browsing a page on Safari on my phone I can transfer it to my Mac easily. I can also try and send photos to randoms on public transport.
Other than that there are some issues I have with Apple. For example in Windows Explorer you can select multiple items and it will tell you the size of the all files in the explorer window, or you can click "Properties" to get the size of the files and it'll show you in one window. If you select multiple files in MacOS it doesn't tell you the size of everything you've selected in the Finder window and if you click "Get Info" it'll open multiple windows for each file and you still have to calculate it in your head!? I'm still new to MacOS but some things are just so insanely stupid and not intuitive whatsoever.
Also something as simple as cutting and pasting a file in Windows, to do the same on Mac you need to click "Copy" then right click where you want to paste it and hold Option so that the "Copy" selection changes to "Move item here" because there's no "Cut" option in MacOS like what the actual (profanity).
These issues can probably be streamlined but there are probably idiotic patents by Microsoft and Apple that say "We've patented the fact people can see file sizes of multiple files when selected in the file explorer window" or "We've patented "Cut" so no other company can have a "Cut" option in their right click menu".
Also something as simple as cutting and pasting a file in Windows, to do the same on Mac you need to click "Copy" then right click where you want to paste it and hold Option so that the "Copy" selection changes to "Move item here" because there's no "Cut" option in MacOS like what the actual (profanity).
Not too much of an annoyance if you're using keyboard shortcuts: Cmd+C to copy and Cmd+V to paste or Cmd+Option+V to move. Similarly, with properties, use Command+Control+I to get the summary of a selection in one window (or hold control, right click, get summary info).
Thanks for the tips, appreciated.
How can I set it so that when I drag a Finder window smaller or larger that the icons auto adjust so they all appear in the window still (I.e.. move to the second row)? At the moment it makes me scroll left and right to show everything.
I use Command+Control+1 which sorts them all by name and also sets it to auto-arrange the items to fit the window size. Cmd+Control+2 is supposed to organise by kind and Cmd+Control+3 by date.
@donnot: I see, thanks, will give that a shot. Maybe my first comment on MacOS wasn't quite accurate, I am extremely used to Windows. I do wish that MacOS had built-in window snapping similar to windows (I think there's an app for it though).
I was given a Ipad,
It has a lonely life
It lives in the draw,
It comes out some times,
I play Plants Vs Zombies
then goes back in the draw..
Not a fan of apple or the practices.
Not a great lover of apple personally. I had one iphone (iphone 4) and have used android ever since. I just don't get why people love the phones so much given the cost of them. My wife and kids all have iphones of varying editions though.
I do though love the Macbook air laptops my kids use for school. I was able to pick up refurbished airs for both kids for around $600 and in very good (pretty much like new) condition. My daughter's has been a school daily driver for nearly 3 years and not missed a beat. My son's is about 18 months old. They were half the price of the HP POS recommended by the school. I know they are POS as my daughter leased one from school for a couple of years before getting the mac, rubbish build quality for something bouncing around in a school bag every day.
The macbooks were good value, are very durable and get the job done. They might not be highly specced but they do everything a school laptop needs to do with ease and not only that the kids feel like they are cool by having them.
I just don't get why people love the phones so much given the cost of them. My wife and kids all have iphones of varying editions though.
As someone who also uses Android and only has an iPad mini, the range of accessories (particularly cases) for the iPhone, and its design, would be reasons why I'd get an iPhone. I prefer Android to iOS for my phone however, hence why I don't have an iPhone
Like the performance. An iPhone 5c from 2013 is 3x faster than a Motorola Razr HD from 2012.
Dislike the UI. One button control sucks - a back button is a lot more productive, and latest iOS home screen customisation is just playing catchup with Android, or Windows mobile (my favourite un-cluttered phone UI)
I'm almost anti-apple but when they do something well, they change industries.
The iPhone being the last example, and the LTPO display on the Apple Watch.
They fail a lot (butterfly keyboard, AirPower, antenna gate) and are arrogant about fixing their issues - but their designs are largely stunning and build quality is amazing.
This love / hate stuff is nonsense - just buy what works for you. If you want a basic machine, I see no need to go for MacOS, but Apple products definitely have their place.
As for Apple as a company - it's clear they hate their biggest fans and it's why people see Apple loyalists as a cult.
I love the feeling of superiority I get when I walk around with my $4000 macbook pro and air pods pro and apple watch and iPad pro. It makes me feel like I'm a big deal and lets everyone know that I'm not poor even though my credit card is maxed out. I love the jealousy and attention I get from onlookers that's really the most important thing to me
you mean mosquito repellent, or just brain damage.
You have a Pixel 4, are you selling?
The return policy if purchased from the Apple store. It means I can try a product and give it a good shot knowing if I am unhappy I can return it.
Microsoft is better here in some regards. They have a 30 day return policy. Was even 60 days recently
It's still 60 days going by the website, until the end of October
Well there you go. Good time to buy a surface and see if you like it. I wonder if the return period extends to non-Microsoft laptops that they also sell on their site
They cant compete on price of features/quality in the mid to low range.
For example, products I use every week:
Personally I feel like buying the apple version of these would be 2-10x more expensive for 5-20% more features/quality. Sure the things I use aren't super high end, but they get the job done well enough.
What I love about apple products is that you bought one or about too, and I worship you, your my idol, please update everything you do.
I like how the computer and the monitor are the one item, so you can throw them in the trash in one go.
Just kidding i've had an Apple IIC, IIGS, Mac Classic and a Macbook, they aren't bad.
How about the $999 stand and the $700 wheels, it's easier to recycle if you disassemble them before throwing into the trash.
I would never buy one because of the price and the fact they are so locked down, but I do like how stable the things are. They've never spat errors at me once.
I like all Apple products but the macs. Never really used a Mac but I hated and loved those old Mac vs pc ads. I went from iPod to iPhone to iPad. I love the Apple stores, warranties, iMessage, how they retain their value, are metal over plastic, have cameras that shoot nicely without the Asian blurring/beautify crap.
I use a Samsung Galaxy Note 10 Plus as a personal phone and use iPhone 7 for work phone and I can't stand the iPhone.
They are little things but the whole experience becomes frustrating when compounded.
They always seem to make things more inconvenient and annoying usually with lame excuses like security but they don't give the users the option to turn things on and off.
Most stupid thing I recently worked out is the "enter your passcode to enable touchID" BS. People use fingerprint scanning to do away with the annoyance of unlocking the phone so i just had to laugh when I saw that message come up. Fair enough when you first turn it on but for this to be triggered every 8 hours? Some may like it but I certainly don't and it would be nice to disable it.
For me, the common things people say about iPhone being easy to use and "just working " seems like the biggest exaggeration of century.
I can cast my Samsung phone screen to my TV out of the box with no need for additional apps or hardware. No such thing with apple. Everything with apple is either hard, restricted or incurs additional cost.
Wow who would have thought your Samsung phone and Samsung tv connect seamlessly.
It doesn't just connect to samsung tv. It connects to most smart tvs without any additional cost unlike apple which requires the user to buy an additional hardware.
Maybe learn before you speak rubbish
How am I speaking rubbish? That it's a revelation that Samsung products offer a basic level of integration with each other? Which btw Apple is renowned for? Wow, who would have known. Lol nice edit btw, pathetic.
That it's a revelation that Samsung products offer a basic level of integration with each other?
Actually, it's just generally.. Non-apple
Was able to cast my phone's video in 2014 (xperia z2) without the need of a dongle or Apple-TV as long as the TV was miracast enabled..
So have you tried connecting an Apple phone to the Apple TV device? It, probably, works pretty good as well. We have a Harmony Universal remote that connects to an App on my iPad that allows me to control all our audio/visual devices, including our Beyonwiz PVR; it’s great for when the man falls asleep holding the remote control.
Frankly, with a modicum of effort, and sometimes Google, Apple devices do just work. They aren’t cheap but they are generally pretty reliable and, if you have issues, Apple is pretty responsive in getting them fixed. The iPhone7 is about 4 years old technology now so the “Touch ID” isn’t an issue with the new devices. Having to put a code into a phone every 8 hours must be such an imposition - shakes head and rolls eyes.
Speaking of “exaggeration of the century” using expressions like this are the “exaggeration of the century”.
I might pay for an App, roughly, once a year. I haven’t bought anything “additional” for my devices that I wouldn’t have bought if I didn’t have a different manufacturer. You can even connect a USB key to an Apple iPad Pro to download things onto it, like documents or Video.
Frankly, I got a Samsung phone, tried for a few days to set it up, then gave it to my brother. It was just too hard to do the simple things I wanted it to do.
My main bugbear is everytime I look at jumping the pond the “God’s” decide I should stick with Apple. I was set to buy the Note7, before it turned into a fire starter. I then was lining up to get a Huawei phone, until Trump had a hissy fit. I’ve come to the conclusion if you want to see what Android phone will fail just look at the ones I’m interested in.
When the Android ecosystem provides me with a “come to God” option I will make the effort to learn a new system; in the meantime it isn’t worth the hassle - especially as my Apple products seem to last a fair few years.
Spoken like a true sheep. What Apple tv device? Oh you mean the rip off hardware you need to buy in addition to the phone just to connect to the tv?
Non issue to enter a code every 8 hours? Why force it on the user?
Yes it is a big deal to me because i dont want to be in a situation where I want to quickly check something and this stupid message comes up. It offers absolutely no benefit to me.
I'm just rolling my eyes because of the extent you put up with all these "minor inconveniences" for the privilege of using an iPhone lol
Yup, still with the mindless tropes like “sheep”. A minor inconvenience and you get all upset about it. I think there is a comment about “resilience” here. There were things I wasn’t happy with when my work had me using Android phones but I just built a bridge and got over it. It must be tragic when you have to deal with something that is really complicated.
So your Samsung TV doesn’t play well with Apple, maybe the problem is with the Samsung ecosystem. Our Samsung TV was a pain to setup, at times. It died the other day. BTW, I don’t have an Apple TV device I was giving it as a compatibility example.
If you are looking for a new passport photo maybe you need to look up “petty” in the dictionary.
@try2bhelpful: haha if you think that's petty there's really no point discussing any difference between phones. They all do same stuff overall. See how ridiculous your excuse is?
Please name a single thing that any phone does that other phones in the marketplace don't do.
By your own definition everyone is petty then.
Samsung TV doesn't not play well with Apple. Apple doesn't play with any TV whatsoever if you still don't get it. Too hard to get it through your skull? With Apple, you have to pay for that silly Apple TV device for the privilege of connecting to any TV.
Apple advatages:
- iPhones generally perform better than Android phones, receive updates for longer and sometimes have better optised apps due to the developers being able optimise only for a few models
- ipads tend to be the best performing tablets. Not much competition here from andoird. Windows tablets are really in more of a laptop category
- Ubiquitous retail store presence with easy service and repairs
- Good integration of their products
- Mac's tend to have nice and robust hardware
- Effective colour management across their devices
Apple disadvantages
- Closed ecosystem with not a single hardware competitor. If you want to use IOS or Mac OS your only option is Apple. You are limited to only the products they choose to have in their line up. For Android and Windows there are many hardware alternatives.
- Their cynical and greedy attitude to third party repair and upgrades. This is more of an issue for Macbooks (and increasingly Macs) where ram and ssd are soldered purely to prevent cheaper upgrades. Most recent example is the new iMac desktop computer which has soldered ssds for no good technical reason other than to stop hole upgrades. It is not like a laptop where they could (dubiously) claims the reason for soldering was due to limited packaging space.
- MacOS 'looks pretty' but has some primitive user interface limitations and limited software choices. Maybe fine for simple work, phot/video editing ot some developers. Windows generally has many more software tools for work. Windows on Mac is frustrating and has many issues so not a great solution
- iPhones use inferior proprietary cables
- iPhones do not allow nfc system access for using public transport e cards
- high end iphone prices are ridiculously high and in my option unjustifiable
I love how Apple make other brands so much more appealing while offering overall better value for money. I love how apple treat their consumers with contempt offering low spec devices at premium prices. I love how apple plays catch up with iPhones copying features from android. I love how apple has a propriety cable for charging iPads and iPhones, and how if there are not MFI certified they will end up in landfill. Lastly I love how apple trap you into their ecosystem making it unnessarily hard to do the simplest of things while make it even harder to leave such ecosystem. Apple….what's not to love.