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  Freerange braincells on 09/07/2020 - 20:25

  +1

  Thanks for the post. I live quite close to the business, I'll check them out tomorrow

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    Spending2Much on 10/07/2020 - 17:20

    Verdict?

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  Tuba on 09/07/2020 - 20:35

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  Id ignore the soft shackles, stupid things. Dyneema gets rubbed wrong on dirt, dirt gets inside it and dirt has tiny sharp edges (note they tell you in that store not to use it in the towbar recovery block), and it deteriorates over time. In snatch situations, the elastic strap is the fuse, it should be the weakest link in the setup and is by a long way when using decent brand name bow shackles correctly.

  With shackles, stick to brand names, or buy from workplace suppliers like air and lift gear etc at around 4.7t WLL. They have to meet workplace health and safety, 4WD store shackles have no such associated regulations, just reputations. The breaking strain will be well over 20T making you guessed it… the safest recovery where the strap is the weakest link. These soft shackles just introduce another weak spot.

  Some guys have been caught buying up failed batches or bow shackles from China and selling them at markets by the bucket load. If your shackles break, youre doing it very very wrong. This is why I get mine from work related crane suppliers, cheaper than ARB etc, and certain to be good quality.

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    LowRange on 09/07/2020 - 23:01

    Mate you should learn how to use and care for your equipment correctly. Dyneema is used extensively in marine, rescue, abseiling, roof safety, construction and the list goes on.

    Most 4wd winches now come with dyneema rope, and most recovery equipment like snatch straps, tree protectors, extension straps, bridals etc are all synthetic. The days of using steel shackles and 10m of steel chain to drag stuck vehicles is gone.

    It's about selecting the right tool for a given application, and there's times bow shackles are superior and there's times when soft shackles are superior and lighter plus wont kill you when hit by one. I recommend you have both, and a few spares of each and know how to use them.

    But this deal has steel shackles, hooks, chains and even hammerlock chain connectors if that's your thing.

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      Tuba on 10/07/2020 - 02:26

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      Yeah, lol, its funny you think its new or something. I was talking about soft shackles, which are a recent invention to part fools from their money. They are a gimmick, and 4 times the price for the same rating and nowhere near the life span, and they introduce a new weakness. A 4.7t bow shackle is more than 2 or 3 times the strength of the dyneema on the winch, or the extension strap(s) it might be in connection with. But a shackle is impervious to microscopically sharp dirt etc. The virtues of Dyneema as a winch rope, does not extend to the shackle.

      2 scenarios, winch with Dyneema, and snatch. Start with winch.

      • Anchor point, ie: rated recovery point attached to the car, if it broke, well they arent rope are they? Do I need to explain how moot the rope is if the recovery point detaches, which it wont. Oh wait, no using soft shackles here, the edge is too sharp, bow shackle doesnt have that problem though. Kind of like that recommendation not to attach them to the hitch recovery blocks. So are we talking an equaliser strap, so using 2 bow shackles (lol) to attach that to the car because steel can do no harm here (which is the point mind you), and then the rope shackle to join the winch rope or strap to the equaliser strap, where for decades we just used the sleeve on the equaliser strap without issues?
      • Shackle is stronger than the dyneema, its rating is a WLL, not a breaking strain. They are 4 times that rating in destruction tests. Thats close to 20 tonnes.
      • Dyneema winch rope is the weak link (fuse principle), its rating is its breaking point, that is, between 6 and 10 tonne for most.
      • If necessary an extension strap, the join made properly using a magazine or a $4 bit of strap (never use a shackle here), been done that way for decades
      • Shackle two is again stronger than the dyneema
      • Anchor point two is stronger, lets go with a tree trunk protector, yep can use the soft shackle here. But do i need too? Nope, well maybe if Im using winch cable because I spent my spare money on gimmicks lol.

      That is how is should be. Dyneema by its nature is prone to break, it just does so more safely compared to steel cable. Its rating is a breaking point, not a WLL.

      If the winch dyneema breaks, it all drops to the ground in two directions away from the break, the steel shackle still on its anchor point, the rated recovery point or the tree trunk protector, someone elses 4wd, the little hitch recovery block you list, whatever… If the tree trunk protector breaks (and it shouldnt given it should be rated well over the winch rope by two or more times and as you suggest, looked after properly), again, it all drops to the ground as its still dyneema winch rope, no energy stored to fling it.

      So we are left with snatch recovery. The whole wont kill you thing is the gimmick, a 4.7 tonne shackle, properly rated will not kill you when its only ever the terminating point into a RATED recovery point, as it will never break. If you use lesser shackles, or lighter shackles, thats your fault. If its used to join 2 SNATCH type straps, then yep, youre not using it right. But I can join two snatch straps with a magazine or newspaper, or a $4 short length of strap made for the purpose. Dont need a $25-45 and beyond gimmicky soft shackle. Under proper usage, a steel shackle will never break. Its been exposed by anyone not trying to sell you one and the fuse principle is the reason. All youre doing is adding another potential weak link under the guise of safety thats tied up in confusion.

      People usually get messed up by towballs and snatch recovery, or using a shackle to make a join between two SNATCH straps. But that knot, its going to mess you up if it hits you when launched at you by an 8 tonne slingshot. Youre fooling yourself, and dont understand what it is you think I should learn about. Tell you what, let your mate drive past you at 80km/h, and belt you in the face with the knot, let me know how you go with calling it soft, and know then thats not even close to how hard 8 tonnes or kinetic energy will fling it at you. Soft, its a joke. Sure the steel would hurt more, it would end you, but they dont do that when used properly.

      I have more important things to carry, like a fridge and other gear that I also cant carry spares of. Id prefer to carry vehicle spares than marketing gimmicks. Why carry something I dont need, when even youre telling me to carry the good old steel shackles anyway?

      Its not that they cant work, its that there is zero need to spend money on them. Gimmick.

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      Tuba on 10/07/2020 - 03:44

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      edit: In my bullet points I originally started to explain snatch, but messed it up with winch and winch blocks. Obviously with winch, one end is the winch itself. And by far, the winch is the weakest point at maybe 5.5 tonne for a 12,500lb winch (and most Chinese winches, thats an exaggerated capacity). It would just stop long before a steel bow shackle would break.

      Anyway, this fella is more entertaining than me, and he says exactly what I said and goes to prove it to you, and he is far from alone. What you should grasp is that the winch rope when Dyneema or Dyneema copy, or the snatch strap, should always be the weakest part (beside the lower capacity of the winch) as that is the safest method of recovery, by far. Thats what a 'fuse' does… thats why its the fuse. Introducing another weak link, does not make the thing safer when the original will not fail when used properly. You are just adding another breaking point, and paying a fair amount more to do it. That is the opposite of a bargain.

      Personally I always have a newspaper to light my fires. If I didnt, Id pay $5ish bucks for the piece of hardened strap designed to join straps and spend the rest on diesel, a jerry can or convert a steel winch to dyneema. If Ive done all that, then ill put the mokney in my pocket for more eneloops.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW304fXuG1M

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        LowRange on 10/07/2020 - 21:54

        What you should grasp is that the winch rope when Dyneema or Dyneema copy, or the snatch strap, should always be the weakest part (beside the lower capacity of the winch) as that is the safest method of recovery, by far. Thats what a 'fuse' does… thats why its the fuse.

        Do you understand what a fuse is? It's a cheap, easily replaced sacrificial component designed to fail in order to protect a system from catastrophic failure.

        You are trying to tell me you class your winch, winch line and snatch strap as the weak link to catastrophically fail, when they are costly components and critical since you generally only have one of them? lol ok mate, not going to waste anymore time on you.

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          Tuba on 10/07/2020 - 22:07

          @LowRange: Its simple, youve been brainwashed. Of course youre done, you have no real argument to present so youll run.

          A fuse is about safety, not necessarily ease of replacement. We arent talking 10 amp blade fuses.

          The winch is the weakest link due to other restraints, not necessity. Working that out is simple numbers… bigger numbers and smaller ones, it cant be this hard for you unless youre refusing to hear it.

          The rope/strap is the second weakest link and should be by design not for whats in your head, but that its the safest, of the choices for a weak link, and Ive explained why the dyneema winch rope is the safest link to break. Do you remember safety, the whole argument behind a soft shackle that now you wish to abandon. In the soft shackle case, its marketing BS and I explained why. Its pointlessly replacing the STRONGEST part of the whole setup.

          Of course the winch motor is the weakest part, 100%. Its motor has what capacity? 12500lbs or less many are 9000lb, 9500, 10000, 11000 etc but lets use the bigger version I mentioned, 12500lbs, which is about 5.6 tonne, Google it. Thats not WLL, thats its max capacity in a perfect world with short battery cables and a fully charged quality battery, reality will be less than that for many reasons (such as number of layers still on the drum), it could actually be half that but we will use its best case scenario, 5.6T. The motor will burn out, or just stall, it wont explode. But go on, show me the breaking strain of the part with less capacity than 5.6t?

          So now we know, the winch is the weakest part and nothing I or you say, will change that, spares or not.

          The second is the winch rope. And that is as it should be when you consider how that is the safest thing if it breaks. These are between 6 and 10 tonne BREAKING strain, not WLL. Do you know what WLL is and how its different to breaking strain?

          Pssst, a 4.7t (WLL) steel bow shackle has a BREAKING strain of about 30 tonne, I used 20 above because 4 times is less controversial but Ive heard the multiplier is often 6 times, not 4. That is, they test a bunch until they break, then set the WLL at 1/4 or 1/6 of that. A huge margin and no other part undergoes this level of testing and margins for safety. This is why I only source bow shackles from work place related businesses, no one else has the eye of regulation on them as heavily. Steel shackles will never break when used correctly, the ropes and straps will.

          The anchor point on your car has a WLL of 5 or 8 tonne, but if from a recognisable brand, and R&Ded, it will have a working limit to use an 8t snatch with the added energy of kinetics so easily 16 tonne. Sadly they often dont provide the breaking strain but Im confident it wont come off, and if it did, the soft shackle is the least of your worries as now the heavy metal anchor point is attached. That is, the soft shackle here, and its not recommended to be used here anyway, would provide no safety at all. To be honest, I find these anchor points to be dodgey marketing often too, or at least they dont provide the specs for breaking strain so they cant be held liable in court, but thats another topic. They are better than the factory tie down points, and probably the second strongest part of the setup, depending on factors, could be the actual strongest.

          Watch the video, read the comments. I dare you. Its funny how little you understand about it, but still try to tell me I dont know.

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            LowRange on 11/07/2020 - 19:19

            @Tuba:

            Its simple, you've been brainwashed.

            Brainwashed by who? I come from 26 years of rescue experience, learnt from accredited state rescue manuals across numerous rescue agencies, accredited by some of the best assessors in the country. I'm also a trainer and assessor myself.

            The young guy in the video, about the time he was being born i was already a nationally accredited road crash rescue operator, rescue 4wd recovery, vertical rescue operator, storm damage and roof safety and a flood and inland waterways rescue boat operator. Among others like owning offshore game fishing boats but whatever, these are the main ones involving ropes, chains, slings, rigging, harnesses etc.

            Of course the winch motor is the weakest part, 100%.
            The motor will burn out, or just stall, it wont explode.
            The rope/strap is the second weakest link and should be by design not for whats in your head, but that its the safest, of the choices for a weak link,

            Good to know you are happy to burn your winch out, snap your winch line or bust your snatch strap and treat them like a "fuse" and spec them as the first components to fail. Where i come from that's the last thing we do when a piece of equipment is essential for a rescue or recovery, not to mention when those pieces in the system are the most expensive. Look after your critical equipment!

            Soft shackles are cheap compared to other components in the system, light, versatile, float, highly visible, no pin to lose, come in a variety of diameters, lengths and breaking strengths and wont kill you if hit by them. I use soft shackles, soft winch lines, soft anchors and dont introduce steel missiles in to a system unless absolutely necessary.

            I can also make soft shackles on the track by taking a meter of dyneema off my 20m winch extension rope, good luck making a new winch motor, solenoid you burnt out or snatch strap you popped.

            Modern lightweight synthetic equipment is a huge asset to rescue and recovery, just as battery powered rescue tools are compared to heavy old school hydraulic driven spreaders, cutters and rams.

            You use and do what you want to mate, i'm just posting a deal with some good quality and affordable gear. Stay safe on the tracks.

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              Tuba on 11/07/2020 - 19:27

              @LowRange: Go on, tell me how you made your winch motor stronger than 30 tonne? Oh you didnt so youre talking through your hat. Its the weakest link and using a steel shackle wont burn it out. I merely said, its the weakest part of the setup. Youre clutching at straws because youre health and safety gone wrong, in a nutshell.

              Again, go on show me the next weaker part than the Dyneema winch line. Surely you can look up some specs. Oh wait, it will still be the next weakest part, and the FIRST piece that SNAPS.

              You act like I made them weaker, when they are by their own specs, weaker. Its actually you who is introducing a part that is weaker than the part it replaces.

              And while you need to make new shackles, I dont need to make anything, mine will never break. My winch, your winch, all will burn out the same.

              Its funny, half your age, and yet he already understands better than you ever have. Its alright, seems youre easily confused when you dont a have book to go by.

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                LowRange on 12/07/2020 - 13:48

                @Tuba: Funny stuff mate, i cant even recall the last time someone got so bent out of shape because they just dont get it. Speccing a system so critical components fail first, adding missiles that have killed people when there's non lethal alternatives available, not understanding soft shackles come in a variety of breaking strengths including equal to a steel shackle without the front teeth removing side effects… dear lord.

                You are arguing with yourself mate, the blokes that have spent spent their lives circumnavigating the country and doing the tuffest tracks in Australia like Graham Cahil, ASW, Jase Andrews, Simon Anderson, Shaun Whale, Ronnie Dahl and the list goes on all carry and use soft shackles. But we are all wrong and you are right.

                Enjoying buying Eneloops and watching the kid on YouTube… Oh wait, he said he doesnt like 4wd'ing, hasnt done much more then driven some fire trails and then quit YouTube lol. But even your reference boy carried soft shackles and done a video on making them. Hilarious.

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                  Tuba on 12/07/2020 - 22:28

                  @LowRange: Haha, pull out a list of people making money off this crap as your proof its necessary. Awesome stuff.

                  To sum you up… "we use dyneema, until it gets tough, then we use errrr errrr, yeah the steel." And you can only use that soft shackle in one place safely. And that can be done with one of these, for around $5. https://imgur.com/C1Hjlme
                  ^^^ lighter, smaller, thinner, softer, and cheaper. You could put 20 of these in one door pocket. And no dangerous solid knot. WINNER.

                  Everywhere else, youre still using steel.

                  You should recall the last time you saw someone bent out of shape because they failed to grasp some basic principles, you saw him this morning in the mirror. How is the winch limit my design? How is your winch, better? Unless you made it yourself, its just a store bought winch like most. Is yours turboed? Did the Leyland Bros bless it with more tonnage? Will it catapult your 4WD over a mountain? No, so its just a winch. Check the specs, its not 8 tonne I bet. Its motor and gearbox are the weakest part. PROVE ME WRONG ON THIS POINT.

                  Show me the story of the person killed properly using a 4.7t bow shackle. Ill wait. Not towball, not between snatch straps, but properly used. Nah, histrionics wont work on me.

                  You have ZERO comprehension. Yep, dyneema comes in many breaking strains, I said it already. But none of them near 30t cost $12. And then, you still need to buy steel shackles for all but one purpose because soft shackles are not safe to use anywhere else. Joining two snatch straps that can be done for $5.

                  But but.,.. wont somebody think of the children.

                  Yeah, youre paranoid that a steel shackle capable of resisting 30 tonne loads will be busted by an 8 tonne strap. LORDY LORDY. You appear under the delusion that that 8 tonne strap is stronger than the 30T bow shackle. And to boot, this is where you keep arguing that I designed the failure point lol. No, thats how ARB and the like sell them. I cant help that 30 is a bigger number than 8.

                  Lordy indeed, does your wife 4WD by any chance, she might grasp it better.

                  That young fella, PROVED his argument youve had to resort to misrepresentation and histrionics.

                  But since you keep selectively using this argument that Im fine designing my system with weak critical components, then how is your argument that a weaker part is an improvement, different? In this case you genuinely have, while I never actually did, design it to be weaker. Sure, softy easy broken shackle wont kill you as a missile if it breaks, and it really might break and sure the steel one will kill you if it breaks …but it will never break. But heres where softy softy might kill you, or someone else. That 4WD on that broken soft shackle is now careening and picking up speed, unstoppable and out of control on a steep steep incline. Meanwhile that steel shackle would never have broken, ever. And yours was replaced by something weaker for a purpose that is foolishly histrionic in the first place. Not every circumstance is ideal, so now what dont recover the car? Chance it? Dont chance it and just use steel because circumstances dictate we use good old steel? Wait for 6 health and safety officers to have a meeting and decide they need another meeting?

                  I didnt design it weaker, you did. I merely pointed out which parts were weaker, since youre the expert who apparently not only doenst grasp, but cant grasp it after its explained to him by several sources, which parts are inherently weakest.

                  Its alright, you already said youre the health and safety officer, nuff said. Youve got your skidmarked tighty whiteys on the outside and think you can fly.

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                    LowRange on 14/07/2020 - 12:08

                    @Tuba:

                    And that can be done with one of these, for around $5. https://imgur.com/C1Hjlme

                    Yep a joiner can be used to join 2 straps, far less versatile then a soft shackle but not made of steel. You are slowly getting the idea with this synthetic stuff hey. Baby steps.

                    How is the winch limit my design? How is your winch, better?

                    Same winch. You are speccing your system so it's the weakest link and "The motor will burn out, or just stall, it wont explode" and calling it a fuse. Your words. I'm protecting mine, and shifting the failure item from a critical and costly component to a cheap, safe and easily replaceable item I'm carrying several of.

                    Yeah, youre paranoid that a steel shackle capable of resisting 30 tonne loads will be busted by an 8 tonne strap. LORDY LORDY. You appear under the delusion that that 8 tonne strap is stronger than the 30T bow shackle.

                    Oh boy where do i even begin. Steel shackle wont break, what it's attached to DOES all too often.

                    • Cape York, Toyota Surf rated front recovery points torn from chassis like a coke can due to non visible chassis rail rust. Dampener cut in half, steel shackle intruded rear window and stopped by cargo barrier behind drivers head.

                    • Glasshouse mountains, Nissan Patrol captive nut thread failure in rated recovery point. Similar to above, significant rear door damage.

                    • Landcruiser Prado, rated rear hitch failure believed non visible structural damage due to a love tap off a rock step. Stuck vehicle disabled due to steel shackle penetrating front grill and destroying radiator and thermo, inches off being a fatality to driver. Hitch failed like this https://i.imgur.com/Op5ZvZy.jpg

                    • 80 Series Landcruiser captive nuts not high tensile, numerous failures. Narrowly avoided fatality here, read https://offroad80s.com/warning-recovery-points-attached-to-c…

                    • Nissan Navara, rated recovery point bolt sheer. Shackle impacted rear tailgate. Multiple other Nav recovery point failures https://i.imgur.com/bLhWYbd.png

                    I could keep going, and that's not even talking about fatalities and serious injury events which i'm legally not able to talk about and wouldnt out of respect for the family and those involved.

                    So go on, tell us all you would rather have a steel shackle shot with lethal force instead of a soft shackle, i want to see you reach a whole new level of stupid.

                    Sure, softy easy broken shackle wont kill you as a missile if it breaks, and it really might break and sure the steel one will kill you if it breaks

                    Yep, again you're starting to get it. Baby steps.

                    And yours was replaced by something weaker for a purpose that is foolishly histrionic in the first place.

                    The best type of failure in a system is one you control, that's predictable and by design, presents zero risk to life, protects critical equipment from catastrophic failure. The order of rescue is to preserve life, then preserve the equipment that saves life.

                    Why would you have steel missiles in a system when they can be replaced with a non-lethal alternative? What's the first 2 steps in hazard hierarchy control? Why would you spec the shackle 1 ton (or 30 ton, or 100 ton) above all other components and shift the failure item to more costly critical components you only carry one of rather then specing it 1 ton below?

                    Why wouldnt you use the soft shackle as a fusible indicator the system has reached it's design limitations rather then busting your one and only winch, winch rope or snatch strap since you have zero method of measuring the forces involved in a recovery situation?

                    Then you can safely reset, reposition, dig more, track build etc

                    I guess your that guy who changes all the fuses in your fuse box to higher values to protect your fuses from blowing when your vehicles electrical system suffers a catastrophic electrical failure.

                    Guy you're a day late and a dollar short if you dont carry both bow and soft shackles in your kit and cant see the value of removing lethal components from a system. Then to try and discredit the guys with hundreds of years 4wding between them and done so much for the community is a joke. Go see them at an industry event and tell them that, it wont be your steel shackles removing your front teeth.

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                      Tuba on 14/07/2020 - 13:10

                      @LowRange: OK, let me dumb it right down.

                      See, the strap is what breaks, snatch, winch, extension, whichever. It wont be the anchor point letting go which is where the bow shackles have use. This strap (and its mostly snatch, and steel winch cable that have the energy potential) is what makes the missile potential, not the shackle, but these cables and straps will break away from the shackle, leaving the shackle in its place, where you attached it.

                      D shackle
                      ——- line (strap, cable, winch line)

                      D————————-D
                      Oh noes… D———- / ———-D
                      Bow shackle cant fly around see, its not out there on one of the ends that broke. The Ds are attached to stronger points.

                      D————————D——————————-D
                      Oh noes D——————- / ——D—————————D
                      Yep, danger D shackle gonna mess you up. But, never do this, now it cant. How do you join a strap, use the strap. And stop them binding together with a rolled newspaper, or a bit of stiff $5 strap.

                      So thats done, the only place for a soft shackle, debunked for the so called danger. So what is it, weaker and has potential top snap and send a car careening down a hill. See as a professional I would have expected you to see outside your bubble and realise these things introduce potential for major dangers. A mate of mine was in a car that careened back down a hill when the steel winch cable snapped maybe 30 years ago, except at the bottom of the hill was a drop off, you might call it a small cliff, he had to have his leg amputated a couple of years later. That was simply a steel winch cable broke but the scenario is present with a weakened and as yet not noticed soft shackle. It does not exist for the bow shackle, due to the bow shackle. There are other dangers than missiles, and the bow shackle once again, is not missile potential. The common missile was towballs, and snatch straps.

                      In order for the bow shackle to fly around, the shackle itself needs to break, or its anchor point. The bow shackle will never let go, so it remains safely attached to the car etc. It will not be on the end of the strap flinging around. Soft shackle is BS. Remember, never join two straps with a steel shackle, and it cant be a missile. Thisnk where the break is, think where the steel is. Its not near the break. If a shackle joins two strap, then yep, theres metal on one and its a missile. BUT, NEVER JOIN TWO STRAP WITH A SHACKLE. Use a $5 piece of strap or a newspaper and join the straps to themselves. No need to buy soft shackle here, its wasted money.

                      Just ponder that for a minute or two. Youre failing to grasp the realities of recovery despite your claims to be professional.

                      But to point out your contradictions.

                      Oh so its the same winch, so its weakest by its maker, not me… its you who is slowly getting this stuff. I didnt design the FUSE, they did. They didnt intend it, its just a capacity limit, and all other parts exceed it.

                      You want me to believe Im making a system weaker, when YOURE the only one lowering the strength by CHOICE. And doing so in place of something that is by far the strongest. Thats clever design, umm lets see, whats the strongest part, I know its the bow shackle, lets replace it with something weaker…

                      Why would you have steel missiles in a system when they can be replaced with a non-lethal alternative? What's the first 2 steps in hazard hierarchy control(i.imgur.com)? Why would you spec the shackle 1 ton (or 30 ton, or 100 ton) above all other components and shift the failure item to more costly critical components you only carry one of rather then specing it 1 ton below?
                      So it never becomes a missile?

                      You will never shift the failure point away from the winch as you describe it. You will not shift it away from the main line dyneema unless your shackle is weaker again. These things remain true with soft shackles or steel.

                      This is your assumption. What missile? The bow shackle will never break, that is it can not be a missile. What does break is everything else before it, everything else is weaker than it. Jesus youre slow. Thats what I said, the winch is weaker and will burn out or stall, the strap (or dyneema rope) will break next. Not my design, limits in makers capacity, as you said, same winch. This is what you dont grasp. Why have steel shackles? Because it by far is the strongest link in the entire chain. You due to crazy paranoia want to replace it with a weaker part, that introduces its own set of dangers. That is, the car careening back down a hill with the steerer still in it, or trying to leap free too late. These soft shackles wont break because they are weak, they arent, but they are vulnerable which the bow shackle is not. Now remember, you just said, its a link that if it breaks you can just reset. But, based on my statements earlier, if its good the winch will stall, the main line dyneema will break, they are still the weakest parts even in your set up, but your shackle can become the weakest link as its VULENERALBE, MINE CANT. Youre thinking in a bubble, and even then, its a faked bubble.

                      So what you just said is my FUSE, is bad, but your failure by design so you can reset (thats a fuse by the way) is OK…. hahahahahaha, yeah too true, baby steps. Maybe just go back and reread… this time without your inability to face facts.

                      Why wouldnt you use the soft shackle as a fusible indicator the system has reached it's design limitations rather then busting your one and only winch, winch rope or snatch strap since you have zero method of measuring the forces involved in a recovery situation?
                      So introduce a fuse? Do you grasp you just said use a shackle with lower capacity than 5.6T. How else will it trip (fuses trip) before the 5.6T winch stalls lol? You really suck at this. Youre confusing my comments re: a fuse of safety, with a fuse of save the gear. Process that for a minute. Yes yes, I said fuse. Yeah I did, but youre confused how it works, and instead decide to argue it as a save the gear fuse. I merely pointed out, in context of safety as soft shackles are marketed as, there are inherently weaker parts opf the system than the steel bow shackle. All of these will fail before hte bow shackle, meaning properly used, the bow shackle is safely hanging where you attached it, even if everything else fails. It wont be a missile in the first place.

                      The only place, by their design you can use a soft shackle is to join two straps, and I can do that for $5. Note, I never put a bow shackle in any place soft shackles claim to make me safer. Do you get it yet? They are not required, cost more, and need more frequent replacing. Its snow, to Eskimoes. If you never use a bow shackle to join two straps there is no metal risk that you dont have with a soft shackle anyway. They are marketing BS.

                      Day late and dollar short
                      Only if you waste money on soft shackles. Potential for injury and loss is not limited to metal flying around. It will be the whole kit and baboodlde rolling down a steep incline and unstoppable. In order to change something that DID NOT need changing in the first place.

                      Steel shackle dangers do not exist in a bubble. Soft shackle introduces a whole new set of dangers, while the properly rated and used steel shackle never had any danger in the first place.

                      Your reluctance to grasp the reality, no matter how its explained to you, is proof youre in a cult.

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  inherentchoice on 10/07/2020 - 04:47

  +1

  Does this sale have an expiry date?

  Do they offer local pickup in Brisbane to avoid postage costs?

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    LowRange on 10/07/2020 - 22:10

    Im not sure mate, i've done several orders from them but live in NSW so i've never done an in store pickup.