Great for shucking and putting inside a NAS. Remember if you do that you may need to do the tape mod on the 3.3V pin.
If you want to use it as a standard portable HDD remember you can contact western digital for an AU power cable.
With thanks to OP of this post https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/533808
CamelCamelCamel.
Everything was cheaper pre-covid. Except cars, and maybe houses
RealEstate.com.au have been writing daily about how buyers are paying absolutely anything as they are so keen to buy… lol
What a bloody pack of lies. Someone deserves jail time. If only. Might make the bastards honest.
@justtoreply: Just my perspective, I just sold a renovated house in 1 day under opens not auction. 7 offers, done!
The market overall is softening though and I expect that to continue for 6-18 months, part of the reason I got out. But on a whole people are not selling… Yet.
Can I hook this up to an RPi 3b for a simple Plex server with no transcoding while I wait to build me an UnRaid box?
AS long as you've got the right connections then of course. Its a solid hard drive that can be used as an external or shucked as an internal.
Maybe bit slow in rp3, but I got it setup in rp4. No issues.
Limit 2 per customer. Is there any way to buy more?
Yes
You have to wait a week or two, not sure on exact timing. A nabbed 2 previous time the price dipped to this point (about 3 weeks ago) and 2 more now. You could try creating fake accounts/shipping to different address however I've heard that Amazon is strict on this and have closed accounts.
Thanks. I will follow your lead and wait for the next price drop.
Get a 2nd email and get prime 2-month free trial and buy them.
Thanks, ordered another pair. Oh the isos.
Hope you didn't use the same address. You'll get your account banned. I've had a warning before.
Would this be ok to use as a backup to a synology nas through usb 3 using hyperbackup?
Yep perfectly fine. I do this with the 10tb model.
I ordered this drive about 3 weeks ago for a similar price and it still hasn't shipped. Get ready for a long wait.
Opposite for me. I ordered mine on the 10th and its being delivered today, 10 days all up - was the same when i purchased the 8TB around 2-3 months ago, around 1-1.5 weeks delivery.
Unlucky me :(
what stage is it stuck in?
Don't complaint.. by the time you received it that Hard drive would be free of Corona virus.
If you receive them quick it may still have the virus attached on it.
I've also heard those robots putting the drive together on a conveyer belt are the biggest covid19 super spreaders.
A quick run of Norton Antivirus will do the trick.
4k lossless blu ray rips can be 70GB each.
You mean lossless Linux distros …
Hey it is possible to rip your own discs. But yeah I mean linux distros.
It is possible (as in, you can do it) but I don't know if the question has actually been answered (i.e proven) to 'is it legal'.
There was a lot of discussion about 'ownership' where the studio's position was that you weren't buying the IP of the movie, just the actual physical product/form in which it was delivered… so ripping it ended up being you making an 'illegal' copy of something that you 'owned'
I'd love to know if this position had actually changed - in law..
the REMUX life
Yeahhhhhh but lossless vs 'paranoid' bitrate h265? you'll knock at least 1/3rd of that size off, and our eyes are only human.
Either:
Youve bought the TV, youve bought the disc, buy one more hdd and enjoy what you paid for
Or stream it on netflix
The world of 'Bought the tv and saving hdd space' really probably only suits people that aren't paying for the movie..
Or long term collectors, who know that a disk only lasts so long when exposed to read lasers and natural light.
@AustriaBargain: Yeah I have ripped my entire collection, and any new discs I buy just because it's way nicer to browse on the AppleTV rather than a few bookshelves worth of discs.
Can this be connected to an always-on computer to act as a mini-NAS?
Does it shorten it's life if it is always on?
By the time it's dead we'll have gigabit internet to download it all again and 20TB hard drives will be $100.
Thanks. I wanted to use it to store some family videos so that the family can watch whenever they want. It won't be the main backup location but I still want it to last a while.
EDIT: I AM NOT ASSOCIATED WITH AMAZON. PLEASE DONT SUE ME
You may be able to connect it straight to your router if you have a fancy router. You could connect it straight to your computer too and share it from there. I wouldn't manage thousands of torrents on a USB drive, again, but for storage it should be fine.
Gigabit internet? not the way the liberal party things of our internet needs. WE will be lucky if people can get 100Mbit back then as right now a lot of people cant.
And Telstra are removing the option for people on fttn.
Sure most could only hit 80 or so, but its better than 50. Nope, not an option anymore.
@MasterScythe: Really? Thats crap, I have FTTN and I am one of the lucky ones and close to the node so i actually get pretty good speeds and thats with a not very good internal wiring. I get about 88Mbps. My folks have FTTK and get about 93. My friend who has FTTH gets about 98. So i am ok with paying for the 100M plan and getting 88. It should be an option for people i reckon, not just blanket no. That sucks.
@lonewolf: I guess they are just sick of numpties constantly calling their call centres complaining they "aren't getting what they paid for"!?", even though it's literally something telstra can do nothing about if you are in FTTN and far from a node.
As a businesses they probably decided it wasn't worth the hastle.
Plenty of other good providers like ABB etc who offer telstra quality of service (or better) with all the options.
@Binchicken22: Yeah I am with Aussie and I got my folks with ABB as well. Although i am contemplating moving to foxtel NBN as i will be getting a discount with them. But I am not sure how good their service is / CVC
I can already get gigabit with NBN and Aussie. you guys should have voted ALP, and if you voted ALP then you should have volunteered with the ALP.
Taking the politics out of it for a moment - there are literally gigabit internet connections to home here now where they are FTTP connections (as in, an actual product being offered by an ISP)
Can anyone get gigabit ? no. Can some people get it ? yes.
@jason andrade: Yes which was the original plan till it got changed, which was what i was saying. FTTH has the potential for gigabit and more but that got changed from everyone getting it to people who were lucky enough to get it before politics got involved and apparently some people in politics believe we dont need much speed at all. Now all the talk is about going 5G and wireless over fixed line. Personally I just dont think wireless is yet at the step where its consistent and stable to compete against good quality fixed line connections so i would still prefer to have FTTH.
The HDD should last if always on (in fact, it's less stress than spinning up and down). The enclosure and power brick likely won't last as long as the life of the HDD (at that point, just shuck it into something else).
One thing to note, my 10TB version tends to "sleep" after periods of inactivity then requires a 5-10 second "wake up" lag before files can be accessed. Other than that, working fine.
My Seagate Backup Plus 8TB doesn't have this problem, it's on 24/7 and still going strong after ~3 years.
Same here, with a 5TB
Yes, it's better to be always on than continuously going ON/OFF. Remember, HDD's are mechanical devices and they don't like to be "tortured" by sleep cycles.
Backblaze had some interesting data on that;
Tldr of their data centre testing, was that, yes, always on was better, however if not for their huge same size, they could have called it a margin of error. Was single digit percent.
So, better? Technically yes.
Worth worrying about? Not at all.
Thats in a temperature controlled environment with a specific cooling solution.
The biggest reason why turning them off and on all the time is bad is because they will constantly go hot and then cold.
@samfisher5986: Nope, a large amount of backblazes datacenters are actually environment neutral.
Almost all of microsofts are.
I'll see if I can find the study; basically, within a "Normal tempterature range" it made squat of a difference.
r/datahoarder if you wanna learn more :)
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-temperature-does-i…
There's one article, but there's hundreds.
I'm a storage server addict, if there's a study I've read and tested it.
Basically, this is why microsoft decided NOT to aircondition the majority of their Azure datacenters.
The savings are huge, and the global eco footprint MUCH smaller.
They rely on convection and airflow alone.
@MasterScythe: Environment neutral does not mean its similar to your setup at home.
Google said temperature doesn't make a huge difference, but only within their test parameters.
The whole point here is metal becoming cold and then hot again, 10-20 times a day. Most real world tests do not do this.
10-20 times a day
If you have your HDD set to power off hourly, and access it nearly the instant it does OK.
However this use case is unrealistic for most people.
Most people would see on average 5 spinups a day, not 10-20.
Also, since we're in Australia, the drive will not get cold, it'll get ambient at worst, which is still within manufacturers operating range of (usually) -5c.
@MasterScythe: Completely depends if we are talking about the power saving drives that power off whenever they can or not.
@samfisher5986: They're horrible for NAS. I still use WD Green 2TB drives in one of the NAS boxes and have had two fail so far.
@vrsac: I don't really care about what drives I get as I use snapraid and also software to make sure they don't turn off.
@samfisher5986: No drives do that; it's entirely OS controlled.
Perhaps you're thinking of WD greens which unload the head?
Hey guys, Sorry I know I can google this, but easy quick question.
What happens if I add two of these to my Synology 918+ that has two 10TB drives internal. Would I lose the extra 2TB?
Doesn't it depend on what RAID you have configured? If you have no raid, I would assume you could still use the extra 2TB.
Yeah sorry, it's in SHR (Synology Hybrid Raid), yeah I'm hoping it can just go into another folder as non backed up data.
I think its the capacity of the lowest drive, so yes I think you would lose it.
Probably better asked on a Synology forum or reddit if you want to be sure.
@gadgetguy: https://www.synology.com/en-uk/knowledgebase/DSM/tutorial/St…
I think it goes down as a pool of non redundant data.
can someone confirm?
@hypie: 10+10+12+12 with SHR gives you 32TB as usable data and 12TB protection, no redundant data. AS per my link below with the calculator
@TightTerry: Thanks Terry! perfect. It appears to be fine adding larger drives.
p.s. Got my ultrastar a few weeks ago. That thing is LOUD when processing - in my DS218+. Currently using 100% CPU while "converting" my raw photos and video.
@hypie: Yeah it's a little bit of a waste having 1 larger drive.
I have 2 10tb currently so really waiting on another 10tb deal.
@kulprit: its only a waste if you get 1 larger drive, eg if you have 2x 10TB only getting 1x 12TB with SHR would have 2TB waste, but if you get 2x 12TB there is no waste. IF youve got 4 bays and 2 'smaller' drives already in there, there is no harm getting 2 more larger drives if your budget allows.
@TightTerry: So still sort of wasted? You've had to pay more money for 2 larger drives, but only got the increased storage space from 1 of them.
Yes I did know it already worked like this but it still is the best 'value for money' to get all the same drive sizes.
@TightTerry: Synology broke their hybrid raid?
It used to partition into 1tb clusters and parity those; mixed, but similar, drive sizes in synRaid5 was the advantage.
No point paying for their services anymore then!
Just lost their key point of difference!
https://www.synology.com/en-au/support/RAID_calculator?hdds=10%20TB|10%20TB|12%20TB|12%20TB
got my drives this week, was very annoyed on how they shipped them. They slapped a amazon shipping label on the side and sent the boxes raw. Not ideally how I would like my hard drive to travel across the world…
I'd do some tests on them to make sure the drives are alright and no bad sectors. Mine was shipped in a box with some paper wrapping, was still pretty loose though.
very much am, filling them and emptying them to make sure they are stable
Mine just arrived and the exact same - literally just the WD box with a sticker on it. They havent come like that in the past…
If you have HD Sentinel, do the following BEFORE shucking it:
https://www.hdsentinel.com/help/en/61_surfacetest.html
If you get any bad blocks, return the drives to Amazon and ask for a replacement.
Does something tell you they were used?
Because otherwise the heads should be parked.
Id hate to show you what shipping on a pallet looks like im regards to high gforce impacts…..
Honestly as long as the box looks alright the biggest risk of shipping them like that is that they're attractive to steal since they don't ask for a signature on delivery. The drives are in an egg crate like package and then on rubber mounts inside the casing, likely better protected than bare drives shipped with packing material in a box.
I order them two at a time to avoid them just slapping a label on the side, but that's mostly so it's less attractive to thieves.
I'm guessing you didn't tick this box: https://www.businessinsider.com.au/how-to-send-amazon-order-…
Same here, Amazon gave me a voucher for the cost of shipping when I told them about it, of course it's for Amazon US and only items sold by them but it's free money ha
Did you go through amazon Us chat directly?
Yes just went through US chat, maybe could have tried au chat I guess but couldn't select the item to chat about obviously
shuck it!
Claimed price drop, thanks
how do you go about that?
I pointed out I was wanting to buy another one today and was very disappointed that even before arrival (today as it happened) the price had already dropped and could I please have the price difference refunded.
They indicated as a once off gesture they would credit the difference (approx. $20).
Your experience may be different.
I did buy before receiving the refund, so perhaps this made a difference?
Western Digital quality inside and out
Doubtful considering the SMR debacle.
I'm still tempted to get one as a backup though.
I don't get why people are holding that against WD when both Seagate and Toshiba did the exact same thing but weren't called out publicly, they both published lists pretty much the next day. The initial article only targeted WD for some reason but Seagate was the forefather of deception and the one who started this whole SMR debacle by keeping the same part numbers while switching over to SMR.
For Seagate, pretty much 10TB and above are non-SMR.
For WD, 8TB and above are non-SMR. Some are air filled and some are helium filled, only difference are temps it seems. 10TB and above should all be helium.
People are holding it against them because they're cheaper and inferior products and sold to customers without passing on a discount or being upfront about. It's a shady practice…
It's being held against all of them.. and rightly so. They simply aren't suitable for their intended purpose for a lot of people 😉
At this point, you'd have to boycott HDDs altogether which isn't feasible for people who care about storage. Again, the one who deserves the most hate is Seagate who started the trend which defined the shady practice but I wouldn't be surprised if all 3 are in collusion with everything, especially prices ever since the 2011 floods.
Most of the SMR info was already well known on reddit's datahoarder anyway. Problem is the general public doesn't do research which is what all 3 of them banked on.
I guess people were surprised WD went full retard. I mean come on, you expect customers to buy SMRs at WD Red's price?
The initial article only targeted WD for some reason but Seagate was the forefather of deception and the one who started this whole SMR debacle by keeping the same part numbers while switching over to SMR.
It didn't help that WD switched to using SMR in Red drives which are for NAS use.
I think these HDD's should be ok. WD eventually came out with all their HDD's that include SMR. Their 12TB drives aren't included in the list.
https://www.techspot.com/news/84973-wd-publishes-complete-li…
You might be ok with this HDD unless WD are caught lying again of course.
8tb and up aren't affected.
Getting one delivered today, think i got it for around $355. This is probably the best bang for your buck at the moment to shuck in a NAS