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AMD Ryzen 7 3800X $499 (Was $599) + Shipping / Pickup @ PC Case Gear
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blazer on 03/01/2020 - 17:31 pccasegear.com (895 clicks)
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AMD Ryzen 7 3800X 8 Core 16 Thread CPU, 3.9GHz Base Clock, 4.5GHz Boost, 105W TDP, 32MB L3 cache.
Includes AMD Wraith Prism cooler with RGB LED.

Probably not as good as those techfast deals, but great if you only want the processor to DIY or upgrade

Went to the PCCG website and came across this GEM, seems like the lowest I've seen in AUS, even better than the 10% MSY was running a few months back.

The R7 3700x is selling @ 515 so this is $16 dollars cheaper than a slightly lower tier processor.

You also get Borderlands or and Ghost Recon game as well.

Grab them while they are in stock.

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  • freddofrog42 on 03/01/2020 - 18:03
    +6

    Great price - would buy one except I have a 3700X - bought for about $465 with a Shopback $50 bonus on top so happy with that deal….

    What interests me is that the 3700X has a much lower TDP rating but still uses the same cooler. It's TDP is stated as being 65W Vs 105W for the 3800X.

    In practice, I've never yet seen any temps above about 73C on an ASRock Pro4 with an ambient approaching 46C - my PC sits in the garage, with 3 x monitor cables coming through the wall into my office. It gets hot but has never been an issue running 24/7 for a decade with Intel core duo/quad CPUs.

    73C is when fully loaded across all cores running video encoding for an hour or so. I don't bother with massive case fans, just a single extractor plus the PSU fan along with 6 HDDs - never an issue. Oh, and an AMD RX570. It seems 100% reliable too, currently up for 22 days since the last MS updates.

    I wonder if the 3800X will realistically just be a little bit warmer or a lot I suspect the former and that AMD were just able to spec the 3700X at 65W.

    Comments?

    • lostn on 03/01/2020 - 19:31

      you have an ambient temp of 46C? You live in the desert or something?

      • jonathonsunshine on 03/01/2020 - 20:02
        -6

        Ryzen 3rd Gen runs hot.

      • parallelparadox on 03/01/2020 - 20:30

        Tomorrow some areas will hit 46 degrees.

        • lostn on 03/01/2020 - 20:36

          Outdoors I presume.

    • p1 ama on 03/01/2020 - 21:35
      +2

      I wouldn't worry about the TDP ratings, they're just nonsense. The only way to really know how much wattage your CPU is drawing is to multiply the current draw by the V_core, you would have to measure the current from the 8-pin EPS line with a multimeter.

      Anyway, I've experienced both the 3700X and 3800X. The 3800X is definitely faster. It boosts around 200 MHz higher and if you want to manually OC, you might even get around 300 - 400 MHz higher. The problem is that AMD's already pushing clocks quite close to the limit with their chips, so if you're into OC'ing at all, don't look at the 3700X because it's already really running at its limit.

      Either way, I think the only reason why the 3800X exists is because AMD can charge a premium for the better bin. Rather than having you play the silicon lottery, you can either get the bad overclocker (3700X) or the good overclocker (3800X), and AMD will charge you a pretty penny for the good one.

      My opinion is that the 3800X is too expensive. Even at ~$500, it's still too close to the 3900X, which is a far better CPU. Given we've seen the price of the 3900X fall below $700, that's really a no brainer. You're paying far less than 50% more for 50% more cores. The 3700X is fine at $450.

      • viper8548 on 07/01/2020 - 20:14

        TPD is not all nonsense if you don’t plan to OC and just leave it on default boost, the 65W TPDs default EDC is only 90A and severely limits PBO. unless you know how to OC and your motherboard is capable of manually increasing the EDC limit there’s quite a difference

    • FrankDealeridoos on 03/01/2020 - 22:08
      +1

      The TDP increase is simply a byproduct of the 3800X being an overclocked 3700X.
      Extremely thorough review of why they're identical by gamersnexus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAGQwWDyURI

      • p1 ama on 03/01/2020 - 23:06

        Extremely thorough review of why they're identical by gamersnexus

        That's a slightly misleading conclusion, and I think things have changed a bit since the video was released. The major change is that the 3800X used to cost significantly more than the 3700X, but now, the 3800X seems to have had significant price cuts. My experience with the chips is that the 3800X does boost slightly higher (maybe 200 MHz max), but if you're willing to do manual tuning, the 3800X can be pushed further than the 3700X because of the better bin.

        At an $85 difference, obviously no, the 3800X was never worth it. To be honest, the 3800X was so close to the 3900X that I would just save up a bit more and get the 3900X instead. However, at a $35 difference (given the 3700X was around $465 or so recently), I think the 3800X is worth it. Just think of it as a "fee" for avoiding the lessening the silicon lottery.

        Anyway, I think AMD is just being a bit greedy here. Ultimately, I would have preferred to have seen a 3700X 8 core part, 3800X 12 core part, and 3900X 16 core part, and it would have all been easier.

      • Butt Scratcher on 04/01/2020 - 21:27

        The 3800x is a better binned 3700x.

        Here are the results from silicon lottery
        https://static.techspot.com/articles-info/1899/images/2019-0…

    • Butt Scratcher on 04/01/2020 - 21:33
      +1

      In this case, the TDP doesn't really indicate anything to us consumers. Apparently it's supposed to be a recommendation for the capacity of cooler that should be used.

      Here are the power consumption, the difference is about what you'd expect from a better binned and higher clocked cpu

      https://static.techspot.com/articles-info/1899/bench/Power.p…

      The only thing I can think of that might explain the TDP it is that the 3800x is a better binned 3700x and seems to be able to overclock a fair bit above the 3700x. Hence why the higher recommended TDP cooler.

      Still a very pointless metric the way AMD has decided to use it

  • Joshaldinio on 03/01/2020 - 18:11

    How does this compare the Ryzen 5 2600? I am looking at a new processor to pair with 2080 Super.

    • mimik13 on 03/01/2020 - 18:16
      +3

      Do you already have the 2600? If yes, I would advise waiting for Zen3, if not, this is a great deal provided you have the workload that will benefit from the extra cores + IPC.

      • Joshaldinio on 03/01/2020 - 18:52
        +1

        Thanks mate, I do currently have the 2600. Maybe I should just wait.

      • lostn on 03/01/2020 - 19:32

        when is zen 3 expected?

        Are they on an annual update cycle?

        • reactor-au on 03/01/2020 - 19:46
          +2

          Probably late 2020, but who knows, CES is next week

          • BradH13 on 04/01/2020 - 09:39
            -3

            @reactor-au: Zen 3 will be 2021. Zen 2+ will be this year. AMD Ryzen is a tick tock development cycle, where the tick is the massive improvement (1000, 3000 and future 5000 series), and the tock is refinement (2000 and future 4000 series).

            • reactor-au on 04/01/2020 - 09:53
              -2

              @BradH13: Yea I think maybe ryzen 4000 launch at computex in June then. At least that's what I'd expect if Intel is likely to launch their 10 series

    • p1 ama on 03/01/2020 - 23:08

      I reckon it's a worthy upgrade. You could wait for Zen 3, but you're not going to see anything until the end of the year. I would get rid of your 2600 right now whilst it still has some value. Zen 2 is a huge step up from Zen+, it's honestly just obsoleted the entire Zen+ line the same way that Sandy Bridge obsoleted Nehalem and Conroe obsoleted Netburst.

    • iironhide on 04/01/2020 - 09:28
      +1

      I upgraded from 2600. Apart from being hotter when idle and load (jump for 35C with 2600 to 55C with 3700x), there is unnotticable differences for gaming. Perhap you should wait for next gen.

      There may be a huge jump in performance if you do content creation but for gaming and everyday use, I don't recommend upgrade to 3700x from 2600.

      • mordinhoz on 04/01/2020 - 11:40
        +1

        What case do you have? You on stock cooler? Reckon it'll improve with a noctua cooler?

        • iironhide on 04/01/2020 - 13:03

          I have NZXT H500 case with X62 280mm Kraken. I don't think it's the cooler, it's the CPU. Other mate of my also have 3700x with 240mm coolermaster AIO having the same temp. I doubt if noctua actually going to help.

  • mordinhoz on 03/01/2020 - 18:30

    This or 3700x

    • reactor-au on 03/01/2020 - 18:32
      +9

      Yes

    • nick nick on 03/01/2020 - 18:41
      -7

      The R7 3700x is selling @ 515 so this is $16 dollars cheaper than a slightly lower tier processor.

      try reading

      • mordinhoz on 03/01/2020 - 19:38
        +5

        Try responding like ThoseDeafMutes next time.

    • ThoseDeafMutes on 03/01/2020 - 18:58
      +5

      If the 3700x is meaningfully cheaper, go that. If not, go this. This is a better CPU but the differences are very marginal.

    • Skramit on 03/01/2020 - 20:08
      +2

      On sale the 3700 is around 440 450 or so. I got mine for 445 on black friday. But if you need to buy today 499 for the 3800 is a great price.

      The chips perform much the same, the 3800 has a slight FPS edge due to its slightly higher clocks. But nothing noticeable. If you want to over clock it’s said the 3800x are better binned.

  • djkelly69 on 03/01/2020 - 18:32
    +2

    You also get Borderlands or Ghost Recon game as well.

    Should be both Borderlands and The Outer Worlds for a 3800x - see here

    • ONEMariachi on 03/01/2020 - 20:44

      That ended on the 31st of December?

      • djkelly69 on 03/01/2020 - 21:58

        That page says:

        Choice of Game Offer: Participating retailers only for eligible purchases made September 30, 2019 through January 27, 2020 or when supply of coupon codes is exhausted. Coupon code must be redeemed by February 29, 2020.

        • ONEMariachi on 03/01/2020 - 22:27

          Ahh awesome, they extended it. Good news. I still haven’t received all my parts for my build yet- was freaking I wouldn’t be able to claim mine in time.

  • Viospeed on 03/01/2020 - 20:23

    Just keep in mind the games promo expired on the 31/12/2019 so they may not honour the free games. If you already have the codes they can be redeemed up until the 31st of Jan.

    https://www.pccasegear.com/lp/amd-raise-the-game

    • Krondorf on 03/01/2020 - 20:40
      +3

      It has been extended
      https://www.amdrewards.com/terms

      Posted December 20, 2019:
      GAME BUNDLE EXTENSION
      Campaign period ends on January 27, 2020 and coupon codes must be redeemed no later than February 29, 2020.

      • PeppaCat on 13/01/2020 - 21:19

        How can I redeem the game? The amd website ask me to input the coupon code…where can I get the code?

        • Krondorf on 14/01/2020 - 06:15

          From your retailer

  • pc6673 on 03/01/2020 - 20:30
    +1

    why this? my 3700x can do all core 4.45G with b450…

    • H4ydos on 03/01/2020 - 20:37

      It also depends on how much testing you do, 4.45ghz is high for 3700x but you 'May' find a more stressful and thorough test could fail your 4.45ghz overclock.

      • pc6673 on 03/01/2020 - 21:36

        normal gaming, all core stress test for hours, all good. 3800x should be special 3700x with quality "body". you pay 20% more price buy just get 7 or 5 percent more performance. 3700x was around 420 bucks months ago.

        • p1 ama on 04/01/2020 - 21:28

          You got lucky with your 3700X. The average OC for a 3700X is probably around 4.1 - 4.2 GHz from my experience of building a few systems with them. The 3800X does clock higher, all of the ones I've seen have easily hit 4.4 GHz, and I'm sure could probably be pushed a tiny bit further. So yes, you're right, around 5 - 7% more.

          It also depends on the price. If you want to build a system right now, then this is still a very good deal given it's cheaper than any 3700X (or 3800X) I can find. I think what we'll eventually see is the 3800X being around $30-$40 more than the 3700X, which is the fair price (in the US, it seems to be converging to around a 20 USD difference).

  • Krondorf on 03/01/2020 - 20:44
    +2

    Got my 3700x for $458, no need to get a 3800x now haha

  • Freestyle on 04/01/2020 - 11:14

    Thought 'AMD was cheaper' so its literally neck on neck with i7-9700k?

    • JLCC on 04/01/2020 - 11:57
      +3

      9700k is 8core 8 thread. This is 8 core 16 thread. So not quite an apples / apples comparison

      • Freestyle on 04/01/2020 - 18:05

        For gaming usually makes LITTLE difference

        • Budju on 04/01/2020 - 18:13
          +2

          Maybe ask all the previous gen i5 owners with 4 cores 4 threads how that's going for them today. All those old i7s are now seeing their second wind thanks to smt, which made LITTLE difference back in the day.

          9700k performs well in games right now, but might be worse off than the 8700k in the not too distant future.

          • Freestyle on 05/01/2020 - 02:23

            @Budju: I know plenty of people still happy with their i7-4790k

            There are a few games that makes extensive use of the CPU but most don't

            whats the difference between a normal machine and a gaming machine? Usually the dedicated GPU mate not more threads on the CPU

            • Budju on 05/01/2020 - 11:03

              @Freestyle: My living room computer is an i5 4690. Can confirm 4 threads is no longer sufficient and will affect gaming performance in most newer titles.

              Has been the case for over a year.

          • conza on 05/01/2020 - 14:10

            @Budju: Interesting you say worse than a 8700k, I think it'll perform similarly, tests when it came out showed 8 physical cores are stronger than 12 virtual ones, basically hyperthreading/smt is thought to provide about a 30-50% performance improvement, eg 4c/8t is similar to a 6c/6t, thus a 6c/12t should be similar an 8c/8t but it appears that the cores just have it. In the future for highly threaded tasks it'll be interesting if the balance changes.

            • Budju on 05/01/2020 - 14:18

              @conza: Right now it would perform similarly, but I was saying that down the road if the 8 core 8 thread part gets maxed out the 12 thread part would presumably pull ahead.

        • conza on 05/01/2020 - 14:23

          Yeah only time will tell, the equivalent comparison for a 4c/4t would be a 3c/6t which never existed (afaik), the next generation consoles will hopefully spur on more multi-threaded utilisation for games, but by the time that happens it'll be 2021 so 2 years to wait and see if an older hyperthreaded cpu will be a good long term investment. 8700k in 2018, by 2021 it should be fine, and in 2022 could be time for an upgrade, not bad especially if it were bought in late 2017.

          • Budju on 06/01/2020 - 21:42

            @conza: Surely next gen consoles will go the 6c/12t route. Since the Ryzen 5 1600 AF is now a thing, how could it be anything less?

  • fishychair on 04/01/2020 - 12:11
    +1

    The 3800x has better binned silicon than the 3700x and can run the same clocks at lower voltages which is good if you want to undervolt for sff builds.

    Otherwise there really isn't a reason to pay more for the 3800x over the 3700x.

  • nushydude on 04/01/2020 - 18:23

    The price is back up to $569.

  • conza on 05/01/2020 - 14:06
    +1

    When it was $16 cheaper than a 3700X, absolutely makes sense. When it's $70 more expensive, it's now a bad option, $100 it's a ridiculously bad option, you get virtually no performance increase over a 3700X. Even number X CPUs are to be avoided on AMD, nice an easy to remember.

    • reactor-au on 06/01/2020 - 10:53

      3600 is an even number, as is 3700, 3800, 3900, 3950? But I think I know what you mean but saying that, the 3600 is actually probably the best value CPU available so your statement doesn't make much sense.

      • conza on 06/01/2020 - 13:34

        Even numbered X CPUs I said. So avoid the 3600X and get the 3600.

        The 3600 is probably the best value AMD chip on the market today, you're right.

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