Carsales warranty for cars with unreliable electrics or that power off while driving

TLDR version: crap Toyota Corolla hatch, awesome Peugeot hatch that powered off while driving, does carsales warranty cover this showstopper and has anyone else had significant or intermittent/unfixable problems with Peugeots

Non TLDR version:

Please bear with me as this post has a long backstory for context and apologies for any repetition; it is not my objective to turn this post into a rant.

I bought a second hand 2015 Toyota Corolla Ascent hatch a few years ago from a Toyota dealership and, because I previously owned a 2003 Peugeot 307 hatch I hate every aspect of the Corolla. To summarise key issues, the driver and passenger seats of the Corolla curve in on the inside so exacerbated my back and left shoulder pain, the peugeot felt like driving on clouds light and quick turning and quiet engine, and the aircon didnt need the engine on from memory only electrics turned on and if you set it to 18 degrees even on a 40 degree day the whole inside of the car is 18 degrees in 5 minutes, and I got 850km per fillup.. in contrast the corolla I get 450km max per same cost fillup and feel every pebble on the road with a noisy as hell rocky engine and needing the engine on to turn the aircon to maximum which is the only setting that gives any significant cold air makes it sound and feel like a tornado is hitting your face and doesn't even permeate enough cold air to back passengers so they cook.

I'd like to do a swap for the Corolla for a decent older Peugeot or perhaps some other car.

However, the Peugeot I owned had a showstopper problem that manifested itself about a month after I bought it for $2150 from some dude who used to own a used car dealership… on a 39 degree day whilst driving at 70km/hrs it completely powered off (engine/electric shutdown). Also, from memory the Revs indicator was always hovering at 10 (I think it was 10) even at idle and having driven cars before this I thought that was supposed to sit at 0 unless you are pushing the accelerator? I never had any issues powering it back on. That day, it powered off about 40 times and from that day forth for the next 2 odd years I lived a nightmare where it would both randomly and consistently power off while driving (some days it did it almost every day for a few months then I'd have a couple of months respite. It would do it typically at 70km/hr, descending from around 30km/hr or at idle. It never powered off when driving above 70km/hr.

Appart from this issue, the car had no other issues and was a pleasure to drive.

I had it serviced at a prestige motor mechanic and had repairs done that was very affordable on the face of it rather than taking it to Peugeot directly due to their prospective costs per hour and minimum diagnosis cost etc and because I only paid $2150 for it I was not wanting to fork out much money to try and make it the perfect driveable car, but the powering off of course never happened whilst it was in the possession of the mechanic and their Peugeot Planet system was showing funky results so several times I forked out $700 on their recommendation of 'we think it is this but cannot be sure' (from memory they couldn't really pinpoint if it was electrical or mechanical - one time they replaced the 4 spark plugs and the entire electrical coil housing, another time they replaced the alternator I think). Strangely it did stop the powering off each time and the car felt smoother but it only gave 1 month of respite before it started happening again.

Sooo, going back to my current goal to get another Peugeot but knowing there is a real risk it might be another lemon that is hard to diagnose and fix, my question is. Does anyone know 1) if any of the warranty tiers provided by Carsales (Basic, Standard or Comprehensive) would have suited/covered to the point of permanent rectification my Peugeot showstopper problem? They say they need to receive a quote in order to assess snd hopefully approve a claim, but in my case with the Peugeot, I'd have provided quotes each time but with recurrence of the same issue as they could never fix it 100% so might they also 2) have an exclusion for this which means after 1 chance to fix they might not have covered the subsequent attempts?
Also, question 3) has anyone else had a Peugeot with a showstopper or annoying problems that are hard to diagnose and/or remedy permanently?

Comments

          • +1

            @exulted: Lol this comment. Are you sure it didnt have stop/start capabilities?

            • @Piranha2004: Very sure. Just dropped out with no manual intervention. After some time I had a mindfulness shift and the fear of it occurring unexpectedly permanently dissipated, I just expected that it would drop out when driving and was surprised if it didn't

        • +5

          Seinfeld material right here

    • +1

      Agreed, extended warranties are generally rubbish.

      For example, this basic warranty cover's up to $3k per claim, claims the policy cover's engines but right above it carsales state's an engine costs $10k to $20k.

      Not worth the paper it is written on.

  • +4

    I got 850km per fillup.. in contrast the corolla I get 450km max per same cost fillup

    OP, you are comparing a diesel against a petrol.

    • Nah unleaded in the peugeot and corolla. Usually used 91, maybe every few months 98

      • +5

        I got 850km per fillup.. in contrast the corolla I get 450km max per same cost fillup

        Your claim doesn’t add up.
        https://www.drive.com.au/used-car-reviews/peugeot-307-used-c…

        Fuel economy (combined): 7.9 litres per 100km (1.6)/8.3 litres (2.0)

        https://www.drive.com.au/car-review/new-toyota-corolla-facel…

        Six-speed manual models now list fuel use at 6.7 l/100km - down from 7.1 l/100km - while the CVT 'Multi-Drive' auto improves half a litre to 6.1 l/100km.

        • It may not seem right but it gave minimum 750km and at max 900km. Usually around 800-850km. I think the Corolla has a problem giving out only 450km

          • +6

            @exulted: No it didn’t, not unless the French shitbox had a massive fuel tank or was a diesel.

            For further reference; (using figures quoted above)

            307 had a 60l tank.

            Corolla had a 50l tank.

            Peugeot range @ 12.7km/l x 60l = 762km/tank (7.9l/100km)

            Toyota range @ 14.3km/l x 50l = 715km/tank (7.0l/100km)

            This is basically inline with what someone would expect for two very similar sized cars running very similar capacity engines.

            But being a French shitbox, it probably spent most of its time travelling around on the back of a flatbed truck… soooooo, it may be right…

            • @pegaxs: Those figures are almost on the money for the Peugeot. Sooo, why has my Corolla never given more than 450km without hitting near empty in probably 300 fills and when my driving habits haven't changed from when I had the Peugeot…..

              • +7

                @exulted: Reasons why;

                • Either your driving habits have changed. (Corolla has more power, more zippy, more right foot)
                • Your location or where you drive to and from has changed. (Highway use, now all urban, or flat area and moved to hilly)
                • You're incorrectly remembering what the Peugeot actually got because of your bias for it. (Confirmation bias)
                • You're data is completely wrong. (Far be it from the French to lie about fuel consumption to sell shitboxes.)

                I would expect the Corolla to consume a little more than the Peugeot based on the engine being a bit bigger, the car is a little heavier and it has about 20% more horsepower, making it zippier to drive. But when I say "little", I mean less than or around 0.5l/100km.

                About 400 to 500km is what I would expect from a '15 Corolla with average urban/mixed use and a 50l tank. In the same driving conditions, I would expect the Peugeot to get about 500 to 600km, being it has a larger 60l tank.

                So, your Corolla sounds like it's about average for what it is doing. Your Peugeot (at 850km+) sounds like it is full of shit. You are suggesting that the Peugeot got around double what the newer Corolla is currently getting? Euro 2 emissions standards on the Peugeot vs Euro 5 on the Corolla. This means that the gap between these vehicles isn't that big when taking into factor the smaller engine and lighter chassis of the Peugeot. The '15 Corolla would be running cleaner and way more efficiently than a busted arse old '03 Peugeot.

                So, either you are not comparing apples with apples, or you really like oranges, so much so that they have warped your recollection of them. So now that you want an orange again, all you can think about is how bad the current apple is.

                And there is a whole heap of thermal dynamics at play here that I cant even be bothered to start on that just kill the idea of what you are trying to suggest. Side by side on a dyno, I would expect there to be little to almost no difference in economy, and this is reflected in nearly all the fuel usage data I can find online between these two vehicles.

                • +7

                  @pegaxs: The Corolla might also have 150kms to go after fuel light comes on.

                  Given OP is talking driving range, without completely running it dry, the figures aren't accurate.

                  Try filling it to the top, clear the trip meter, run it to fuel light, fill it back up, and record how many litres it took to fill and how many kms on the trip.

                  Only then will you have some idea of figures. Until then, they're very inaccurate

                  • +3

                    @spackbace: And even then all it takes is a few different red lights, slightly different traffic congestion, weather on the day can have an affect.

                    Unless OP has run this test on a rolling road/dyno, then the figures they are presenting is just garbage data.

                    Or my favourite, the people that get in their car after filling it up and look at the trip computer and it says “750km till empty” and use that as the amount of km they got from that tank, but never bothered to check the reading when the tank was empty or the odometer.

                  • @spackbace:

                    "The Corolla might also have 150kms to go after fuel light comes on."

                    exactly my thoughts

                • @pegaxs: Peugeot are diesel they were one of the first small car diesels on the market which is why there was heaps of them 10-15 years ago.

            • @pegaxs: Pugs are super economical ..the diesel models in particular

              • +1

                @biozet: a: OP's car is not a diesel.
                b: all 1.6 engines are economical, but not twice as economical as a 1.8.

                OP is also comparing 2003 technology and emission control standards over 2015 technology and much stricter emission controls, I'm jusat not buying the whole "gets twice as many km from the same amount of fuel"

    • +1

      Long time ago Volkswagen produced what was internally called the 3 liter Polo. It ran on their test track at 3 l per 100km (diesel)

  • +1

    To summarise key issues, the driver and passenger seats of the Corolla curve in on the inside so exacerbated my back and left shoulder pain, the peugeot felt like driving on clouds light and quick turning and quiet engine, and the aircon didnt need the engine on from memory only electrics turned on and if you set it to 18 degrees even on a 40 degree day the whole inside of the car is 18 degrees in 5 minutes, and I got 850km per fillup.. in contrast the corolla I get 450km max per same cost fillup and feel every pebble on the road with a noisy as hell rocky engine and needing the engine on to turn the aircon to maximum which is the only setting that gives any significant cold air makes it sound and feel like a tornado is hitting your face and doesn't even permeate enough cold air to back passengers so they cook.

    TL;DR you didn't like the Corolla but none of those are warrantable fixes. Normal stuff or you just not liking it, making that whole paragraph just a complete waste of time.

      • +15

        Corollas are garbage

        That your opinion, and not one backed by the majority. Corollas have been one of the best selling hatches for donkeys years.

        • I appreciate that Corollas sell well, they are known as producing the most reliable cars over the last few decades and prior to 2018 were at a cheaper price point when compared to other manufacturers before the F1 tech design guru came in as head designer and changed the design of the hatches to make them smaller sport cars rather than regular hatches. But how many Toyota drivers have driven other more premium car brands and Euros and preferred Toyotas? I see there are a few posters here that prefer the Toyota. Do we have any others?

          • +7

            @exulted: I have. There is a reason corollas are everywhere and peugoets are not. Toyotas are easy to maintain and have fairly good features and reliability.

          • +1

            @exulted: I mean I work in racing and drive everything up to supercars. I own a Lexus and an (old) Nissan.. no way I'd deal with the issues from Euros on the daily.

          • @exulted: They sell well because they're good to the mass majority. If you feel like you're special and is having trouble with Peugeots, you can perhaps try a used Alfa instead. wink

      • +3

        You've driven/owned 1 car, yet are forming an opinion based on that?

        Yeah well done champ

        A bit aggressive in your posts

        Trim the fat on your post, stop ranting/whinging about meaningless things so people don't feel like they've wasted their time by reading it. That was a big chunk of text that was just useless information

        • -3

          I wrote this post in order to ask three questions. A lot of criticism of my post but no one has provided any answers so far except yours and I suspect you haven't actually read the carsales warranty terms and conditions? I did, hence why I am posting here. I didn't quite understand the items as I'm neither a mechanic/auto electrician or a savvy car guy so it was like reading Swahili to me. I was hoping perhaps a mechanic or auto electrician could comment on my peugeot trouble or even a car savvy dude could digest and enlighten me on the warranty ToCs

          • +1

            @exulted: Maybe try a car forum and not a bargain forum then

          • +3

            @exulted: I'm a mechanic. You Peugeot issue is normal, because it's a peugeot. They are cheap for a reason, they are unreliable.

            • -1

              @brendanm: I've read online that unreliability seems to be a consensus but to your knowledge is it largely just stupid things to do with their peugeot control unit causing some funky electrics behaviour like a windscreen wiper unexpectantly activating on when it's turned off? Or have you heard of engine issues of a mechanical nature with them? I thought the engine was known to be pretty good but their bonnet can cause overheating issues in the hot Aussie sun as it's heavily insulated with padding (built for Euro snow conditions)

              • +1

                @exulted: The electronics are terrible all round. Random ecu sensor issues. Depending on model have timing chain issues, pcv issues (which is part of the rocker cover), coil issues etc.

        • -1

          Owned a corolla hatch from around 1989ish for a couple years, a 2000 ish corolla sedan which had nice power/speed for a few months, a daewoo cielo for a few years, the peugeot and then the corolla in question. Don't really remember the older corollas but when I drove the Peugeot I felt like I'd driven my first luxury well designed car

          • +1

            @exulted: Peugeot luxury…? What…?

  • +12

    and I got 850km per fillup.. in contrast the corolla I get 450km max per same cost fillup

    HAHAHAhahahaha….. No. Just no. I own a brand new Toyota Corolla Hybrid and have trouble pushing 850km/fill up. There is no way on gods green earth that your $2,000 French shitbox is as fuel efficient as a Hybrid Corolla unless it's a diesel French shitbox. And if it was diesel, it certainly wasn't "quieter than the Corolla."

    And that garbage about the aircon… "ok, if you say so." That's just not how aircon works in a car.

    The rest of it reads like a page of confirmation bias or Stockholm Syndrome even. The Peugeot was a dung heap that you bought for $2k, spent another $2k on it and then virtually gave it to a wrecker because it was such a shitbox.

    I don't know about anyone else, but colour me impressed, I really want a Peugeot now…

    • Not exaggerating on the fuel thingamajig. It really was giving me at minimum 750km. I just looked at the specs from peugeot 307 2003 manual hatch and it is 5.8L/100km extra urban, and I see the tank is 60L whereas the corolla is 50L and about 6.1L/100km. I drove both cars with the same behaviour. I now suspect that I should be getting at least 550km off the Corolla right? I must have struck out with two lemon cars not one. A mate has said write Toyota HQ a letter as 450km makes no sense. I'll do that

    • And my understanding of the Toyota hybrid system is that electricity is used at low speeds and it likes to kick up to petrol once you are going above about 30km/hr so it is not as low on petrol use as we might expect? When I was reading about it it appeared to be only mildly configurable

      • +2

        Yeah, pretty sure you’re exaggerating, but that’s what confirmation bias does to you. And yeah, get onto Toyota. Let them know how good your $2,000 Peugeot was and you expect the same from the Corolla.

        And no, you are wrong about the hybrid. There are often a lot of times I have been going along the freeway at 110km/h and the engine is off and I’m running on battery. I have driven from Hornsby to Sydney airport on roads of up to 80km/h and had the engine run for about 5 mins total on a near 1 hour trip.

        And you are suggesting that your ‘03 model shitbox French car was as economical as a ‘19 model car that spends about 1/2 its time with its engine completely off while driving.

        I’m pissed I bought a Hybrid Corolla now. Should have just bought an ‘03 Peugeot 307.

        • -6

          Feel free to not believe me.
          Not forgetting mine was unleaded not diesel, the diesel variant often got owners up to 1000km per fill up, as per this post
          https://www.drive.com.au/used-car-reviews/used-car-review-pe…

          Happy to be stood corrected on the Toyota Hybrid workings. I was reading an online review of the Rav4 2019 Hybrid that said that, just assumed the Corolla would be based off similar tech

          • @exulted: Negging my comment was silly as the URL I posted is legit

            • +1

              @exulted: It's an irrelevant reference. It's about diesel Peugeots. Yours is petrol.

              The negs have probably got more to do with;

              Feel free to not believe me.

              than it has to do with your (pointless) link.

              • @pegaxs: The small 2008 edition suv petrol Peugeots from way back give 1000kms without breaking a sweat and you dont think the 307 can get close?

                • @exulted: Here is where your example falls down again.

                  The small 2008 edition suv petrol Peugeots from way back

                  The 2008 started in 2013. That's hardly "way back".

                  '03 307 vs '14 2008. From what I can find, the 1.6l manual variant of the 2008 is about the same as the 307 shitbox you keep referencing.

                  The things to consider are;

                  Regular vs Premium fuel
                  Standard engine vs VVT engine
                  Euro 2 vs Euro 5 emission standards
                  1200kg vs 1100kg
                  60l vs 50l fuel tank

                  And even after all of these improvements, the 2008 still only gains a tiny amount of an advantage over the 307. (Somewhere in the range of 0.2l/100km or about a 300m gain for every litre of fuel burned or an extra 15km over a 50l tank.)

                  All the others in the 2008 range are either 1.2, 1.2 Turbo or diesels, and none of these are a fair comparison due to engine size and configurations.

                  give 1000kms without breaking a sweat

                  Correct… "without breaking a sweat." ie: on an open, flat highway with no hills and no slowing down and probably not even then. Those figures were probably gained from a short run on a rolling road/dyno in a laboratory type environment and just extrapolated out.

  • Calling a major breakdown a showstopper is something new.

    Sell you Corolla and buy a Peugeot from a stealership with a crazy extended warranty service. It’s going to be a never ending hole you can never fill with money.

    • its not about the money the emotional value will be through the roof

  • I can't see anywhere in that great big block'o'text how old your Peugeot was? Skimming the PDS for the Carsales Warranty, the car needs to be under 5yrs old / less than 125k km on the clock, and with full service history - although that last point would incur a ninety day waiting period rather than making your car ineligible without the service history. Also, your maximum claim over the life of the policy is the market value of the vehicle, so if you paid $2k for it and spent $2k on mechanical issues which still didn't rectify the problem, then you're out of cover.

    Lots of exclusions to the warranty - eg no cover for a mechanical failure which existed prior to or was caused by a condition which existed prior to the policy issue date - would be hard-pressed proving the issue didn't exist when you bought it. Go have a read of the PDS, it's all there.

    I drove a diesel Peugeot around the UK on holidays a few years back, it was a nice enough little car. Then had a new Corolla to drive around NZ last year. Much preferred the Corolla, but at the end of the day it's all personal taste.

    • Sorry, was a 2003 Peugeot. I had it during 2014 and 2016

    • Appreciate the analysis, thanks

  • +1

    Buy Toyota
    Rip seat out
    Rip engine out
    Install Peugeot seat
    Install Peugeot engine
    Winner

    • +3

      Buy Toyota
      Rip seat out
      Rip engine out
      Install Peugeot seat
      Install Peugeot engine
      Winner

      FTFY :D

    • -1

      I'd have to rip the boot out too and install as well as the aircon system

      • +1

        Serial neggers are rife here. The Peugeot boot is significantly wider and more Literage at 340L vs Toyotas 280L and the aircon was much more effective, take a 2015 corolla hatch and a 2003 peugeot hatch for a spin if you dont believe me

        • +1

          yep ac is very good on the peugeots, but only if you're in the front seats. no vents in the back.

        • +2

          You'd have to find an 03 Peugeot that was in running condition first.

          • @brendanm: Wouldn’t matter if it was running or not. The AirCon doesn’t need the engine to be running for it to work.

            I recently replaced the ducted air conditioning on my house with 3 used Peugeot 307’s. Much cheaper to run.

            • +2

              @pegaxs: The great thing was you could pick them up for $100 each as no one else wanted them.

        • -1

          You're getting negged because you're bloody retarded OP. Holy shit some of the posts on here make me question the future of humanity.

          • @Nyclix: Hey there's a fine line between being unusual and on the spectrum

  • -1

    Just a thought … get a mechanic to check your Idle Air Control Valve. Could solve your problem.

    • Thanks for the tip. Will look into that

    • +1

      He will have quite the problem finding an idle air control valve on a 2015 corolla. Hint - it doesn't have one.

      • That's why ur spending time reading this post Brendanm. We need u lol

      • ahhh … thats modern technology for you. Here one day - gone the next !! :)

  • +1

    This entire thread is just golden.

    • I see there are a lot of Toyota lovers and it's not just that there are almost no Peugeot lovers more like many Peugeot haters, but I have had a few useful tips given here, like finding a needle in a haystack tho

      • +3

        Confirmation bias can be tricky if you're in the wrong but if you push it you can always find the support you need! There was some phrase - I can't quite remember.. if everyone seems like an (profanity) every day…

        • More qualified psychologists on Ozbargain than I could ever have imagined

  • +1
    1. Third party warranties are garbage, save your money for the repairs
    2. Corollas should never have a rough idle, get it checked by someone else
    3. Why waste money on switching cars from Corolla when you plan to get an expensive new car anyway?
    • +1

      Noted thanks. At the end of the day being locked into $400 services twice yearly at a particular dealership combined with the 450km issue (which I'll test a bit more and get checked out by an independent mechanic) I was thinking swapping cars with no out of pocket would save me money over the next 3 years if I'm getting 25-50% more Kms off each fill and get it serviced at Kmart Tyre and Auto. Despite advice on here saying stop taking it to the dealer to service and blow away the extended warranty, I'm hesitant to do that, particularly if I've got a lemon that may get worse and if there is a possibility any expensive repairs will be covered by the warranty I have with them

      • To get an ACTUAL fuel usage figure next time you fill up the km's on the clock.

        After you empty that tank note how many km's you have traveled…. ie 450km

        Note how many litres of petrol it takes to 'fill' up the car. Punch the numbers into the below calculator and report back.

        https://calculator-converter.com/l-100km-calculator.htm

        • Almost ready for a fillup. Corolla fuel gauge is showing into the 3/4 used quadrant, done 353.6km and average 8.4L/100km since I zeroed it a few days ago.

          • @exulted: 8.4? Jees you're heavy on the right foot!

            • @spackbace: In case anyone is interested.
              Corolla At fillup:
              Fuel empty light just come on.
              Fuel gauge stick is about 1.5mm above empty.
              397.1km done.
              Range 19km
              Average 8.8L/100km

              40.06L put into the tank to fill up.
              After fillup:
              Range 479km.

              • @exulted:

                Average 8.8L/100km

                40.06L put into the tank to fill up.

                Those 2 sums don't add up. If you filled back up with 40.06L to where it was before, then it drove 397.1km and used 40.06L in the process = near enough to 10L/100km.

                The averages you're seeing aren't normal for a Corolla, and either you're an absolute boy racer, or there's something wrong with that car.

                • @spackbace: 8.8l/100km "average" sounds about right if the car is used in and around urban/city/town/stop start type traffic conditions with some longer freeway driving in there. If OP drove it from Melbourne to Sydney and only got 8.8 on the freeway, that would be cause for looking into.

                  Those 2 sums don't add up.

                  And I second that, average over the whole tank using the fill up method makes it 10l/100km. Doesn't match the displayed "average". My guess here is that it's spent some time at heavy load and some at light load and not much in between and the onboard computer is doing some funky math to average it out. Instead of averaging it over a tank, uit just takes readings at set intervals and takes an average over time

                  And at 40l, there is still another 10~15l of fuel in reserve. at 8.8l/100km, it would get about another 110~170km until dead empty.

                  After Fillup:
                  Range 479km.

                  This is only the computers best guess.

  • +7

    This OzB Car post will be in the Hall of Fame pretty soon.
    sitting ties with
    1. 80K car (investment advice).
    2. AMG A200 (It is an AMG)
    3. Whos at fault (insert MsPaint)
    4. Corolla Vs Peugeot 307 (Pick the unreliable one)

    • +1

      Thats the top five, you missed 2nd spot which is daylight.

    • Whats the AMG one? Link please?

      • +1

        This guy was where the AMG A200 rubbish started… He then went on to name drop his A200 in conversation whenever he could and even gave himself a nickname of "AMG Kid" that was a forced meme that never took off.

    • +1

      I'm a size medium for my ozbargain tshirt and cap please at the next ozbargain community catch up. And any chance of some free snags and tinnys for being a haller?

  • I have a 2009 308 diesel that has recently developed the same problem. I have had the primer pump replaced and it wasn't that. Have it booked to get a fuel sensor replaced on Tuesday. I can let you know how I go. I've had mine for 7 years and am really hoping to get this fixed because I also much prefer it to my mum's 2013 Corolla.

    • Woah thanks for the info..! Good you got 7 years out of it before the issue. When I bought mine off the ex second hand car dealership owner because it test drove fine and then a month later the issue started on a 39 degree day I'd have to assume it was happening for the previous owner but there would be no way for me to prove that

  • +1

    So OP bought a bottom of the barrel, old used/thrashed $2000 euro car, and is surprised it was faulty…

    • 'According' to the former dealer it was 'one owner'… and in 10 years it had only done about 85000km if I remember correctly. Perhaps they failed dealing in another shady product type and turned to cars

  • +1

    Bic Lighter… for that price you simply toss them in the garbo

  • +2

    Hey OP, I have a 308 Peugeot. I see you're in VIC but if you really want to get to the bottom of the issue (if you still have the car), try Paul from AP automotive in Carlton NSW. He's an expert french car specialist with lots of interstate customers

    • +1

      Cheers, nope although I could still drive it I knew that it was not resellable (I would never on sell a car knowing it has such an issue - although I suspect that is exactly what happened to me :) ) and with kids on the way needed something reliable so a wrecker gave me a couple of hundred bucks and towed it for parts. I thought my panacea was the Corolla :)(

  • +6

    hmmm, i will never get that 10mins back,

  • +1

    I'd rather live with crappy noisy corrolla that freeze you to death (like you said) than a comfy peugot that stop in the middle of the freeway and got ramp from behind by a b doible doing 100kph

    • True, luckily it reliably never dropped out when going above 70km/hr so none of the hundreds of dropouts were on a freeway

      • To put luckily and reliably in one sentence says enough for the Peugeot.

        From personal experience; One breakdown on the highway doing 80km/h will be enough to question the fragility of your life and the passengers'.
        Never again will I get into a unsafe/unreliable car, permanently fix it, or get rid of it.

        Having owned multiple European, Japanese and Australian cars, I can say all cars will develop minor problems after 5 years, some will have major problems after 10 years. The Europeans are money pits, the Japanese are lackluster, The Australian are dinosaurs(genuinely now).

  • Sorry I cannot bear with you as I am human.

  • Buy something German perhaps? Or even Swedish, I would never wish a French auto upon my worst enemy tbh. I find it difficult to even recommend one French auto. Although as others have mentioned Bias can overcome most reasons. Years ago I bought a 1400 Euro convertible from a maker that no longer exists, it still goes and everything works I still use this car regularly. Albeit I do a fair bit of maintenance myself and find there is a lot info online, if you really must stick with the froggies get one inspected prior would be a thought?

  • A few points to consider:

    1) In NSW any car bought from a dealer that is less than 10 years old and with under 160,000km comes with full warranty for 3 months.

    2) Peugeots have a strong following because they are a good car (usually). More so by French people though. But when they go wrong they are very expensive to fix. But much the same as any European car.

    3) As others have pointed out there are plenty of good used cars to choose from so no need to risk buying a Peugeot.

    So buy what you want, under whatever criteria you set, and put up with it.

    • good points. car posts get so much hatred for certain makes…populist opinion is very pro Toyota..a company that forged a strong following from decades of producing high quality and well priced cars for the Australian market. In the last 10 years I think the argument for them being reasonably priced and fuel efficient has dwindled compared to other well engineered vehicles.

      • Reasonably priced is subjective, but instead the brand has had more brands increase pricing to match (ie Mazda). No longer is there a 'Toyota tax'.

        And in terms of fuel efficiency, I'd challenge you on that, given their increase in supply of hybrid vehicles with everyone else struggling to compete, and instead trying to leapfrog them with expensive EVs.

        Toyota's increasing market share, and 2019 vehicle awards (COTY etc) show they're certainly doing something right in the current economic climate.

  • I can't answer your 1 and 2. But for no 3, I owned a 2008 308 XPS in 2017 for about 2 years and had just changed to a Honda.
    My experience was pretty positive with the car, no major repair for the 2 years i owned it for.

    Fuel consumption wasn't the best and it required 95. The only thing that grinded my gear was what i believe is the electrical power surge, lights burnt off all the time. I replaced 5 various bulbs in 2 years. Other than that, no other problem.

    Now my brother in law sells car for Toyota for 3 years and then got internally changed to Peugeot since 2018. He told me logical people buy Toyota for the reliability, and emotional people buy Peugeot because they like the way they drive (when they're new). And as a car salesman for Peugeot, he is provided with a personal Peugeot to drive, but he owns a Toyota.

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    Citroen C4, Peugeot 206 GTi, Renault megane I can recommend all these. Just make sure you get a manual transmission to add to your reliability and lower cost of maintenance.

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