Advice Wanted: Seriously Botched Return by Wireless1 and I Now Fear Losing 3 Grand!

Hi all,

I'm looking for advice for a real predicament I'm in. I've been shopping online for a long time (like most of you) and have never really had any issues regarding warranty or returns before.

I purchased a Gigabyte Aero 17 laptop from Wireless1 ($3099).

After using it, I noticed a really irritating noise coming from the laptop. Others online seem to have had similar with the Aero line and the best description I've read of it is "like a tiny inkjet printer". It did this even while completely idle and on Quiet mode. This bit isn't really that important though.

After speaking with both Wireless1 and Gigabyte, there was really no option but to post it back to one of them to get it inspected before any replacement or refund could occur. I was concerned about how long I would be without a laptop (as I require a high performance laptop for work - I work for myself). Wireless1 recommended I send it to them as I would likely get a much faster result, rather than sending it to Gigabyte, who quoted up to 21 days.

Either way wasn't great as I'm in Perth and it would take a week just to get back there. In any case, I sent it to Wireless1, in original packaging, including box and foam, just how I got it. It was sent via Australia Post using the method suggested and paid for by Wireless1. The outside of the laptop was in perfect physical condition prior to sending.

A week later, it arrived with Wireless1, on 30th October. I gave it a week or so before following up and was told it was still in progress. After several calls and emails over the following week after that, I was eventually advised that no-one had even looked at it yet! This was also clear when they finally called to ask for the password (which I had already provided by email weeks earlier). The guy kept giving timeframes that it would get looked at that were never met and his final excuse was "sorry, but I have no control over when the technician team do their work". I was under the impression the guy I had been dealing with had some level of authority, but this either wasn't the case or the excuse was a cop-out.

About 3 weeks after they received the laptop, I was eventually told that their technicians agreed that there was a coil whine issue and that it isn't normal and should be replaced or refunded. I said I was happy with a refund as I wasn't confident another device wouldn't have a similar issue and didn't want to have to go through this lengthy process again. They said they would need to await approval for that and kept giving timelines for an approval that were never met. A week or so later I finally was advised that the refund had been approved by both Wireless1's supplier and Wireless1 management and that it had been sent to accounts for processing. I was told that would happen within the next 1 or 2 business days.

Several days later I started email making contact to follow up, with no response. A couple of days later, no response again. As you would imagine, my emails are now getting more and more irate with the situation. I had now been without a laptop for 6 weeks, nor with the money to buy another.

Yesterday, I called them and was really forceful in wanting to speak with someone from Wireless1 management. I was told I'd get a call back. I called back twice over a few hours just to re-iterate that I needed to speak to someone today.

I finally got a call back from someone in management who's first comment was to say sorry but you can't get a refund because you've dropped the laptop. I was shocked. He said he had seen the photos, which had been sent to him from their supplier and there was clear external damage on the corners. This was shocking to me and made me fly off the handle a bit. Firstly, I definitely never dropped the laptop, and it was immaculate when I sent it back. Secondly, Wireless1 had it in their possession for 6 weeks, inspected by multiple staff there, and no one mentioned anything about any suspected damage (there obviously was none at this stage). They had done all their due diligence and had APPROVED the refund. I thought I was just calling up about finally getting processed and then he drops this on me out of nowhere! (pardon the pun)

Basically he just said he would need more time to investigate, but it did not sound promising whatsoever. He had a fair bit of attitude (mind you, so did I). I asked that he call me back same day with an update, regardless of whether there was an outcome or not. He kept saying he would "try" without committing, and of course I didn't get a call.

If the laptop is in fact damaged, it clearly was done by Wireless1, or in transit to their supplier, or by their supplier.

It has now been about 45 days since I sent the laptop, and 38 days since Wireless1 received it. I'm so furious about this. I really need the money (or a decent laptop). I'm now fearful that I will get neither. Even if they sent the laptop back to me I have no idea whether its even usable or how bad condition it is in since it has apparently been dropped.

Wireless1 have been so unprofessional throughout. They rarely respond to emails. They never meet timelines. They rarely call back when they say they are going to. There was one small period after the technicians diagnosed that there was a fault where the original customer service guy called me about 3 days in a row just to let me know the refund process was under way and there was just some admin to go through, which was nice, but evidently just words with no action. Haven't heard from that guy for 1-2 weeks now.

I have just had to furnish a new place after moving out of a furnished rental and I have a first baby on the way in 2 weeks. I really need a fast outcome.

What does the OzB community suggest I do?

Thanks in advance!

I will post updates in the comments

TLDR: Laptop purchased from Wireless1. Had annoying noise from day 1. Returned to Wireless1 at their request in perfect condition in original packaging. Took ages for them to even look at it but eventually they agreed after a proper inspection that it was not normal and that I can get it replaced or refunded. Waited a little longer and was then told refund was approved and went to accounts for processing. 2 weeks later still no refund and after multiple calls and requests to speak to management, I finally get a manager who out of nowhere says I can't get a refund because the laptop has been dropped and there is obvious damage on the corners. Was never mentioned earlier and this is 6 weeks after they received it.

Update 12/12/2019 - Repeated attempts to make contact with Wireless1 by phone and email have not been responded to. I did get a response from them via Paypal though after I raised a dispute. They have said they can provide a refund but that they can only do this after a claim with their delivery company is approved and done. From my understanding, this is the delivery company that transferred the laptop from Wireless1 to their supplier, many weeks after it was received by Wireless1 from me. I find this ridiculous. I have nothing to do with that engagement and my refund should not be pending based on that. What happens if the delivery company does not reimburse them? Who knows!

Update 20/12/2019 - I replied to Wireless1 via Paypal right after they sent a message through the Paypal dispute system, requesting immediate refund. No reply at all over a week later. In the meantime I raised a complaint with Fair Trading NSW - took a week or 2 but got a call from them today - they just asked if it was still unresolved. They are going to speak with Wireless1 and get back to me. Now about 58 days since I posted the laptop back.

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Comments

  • +14

    Off to Fair Trading you go.

  • ACCC or chargeback

  • +1

    I have no suggestions for you but good luck, especially with the new baby in 2 weeks.

    Gonna be stressful.

  • +4

    Lodge it with ACCC. Then advise Wireless 1 you have done so.

    • +6

      Lodge it with Fair Trade instead as they deal with individual complaints while the ACCC do not.

      • +2

        Yes ACCC are useless for the little people

        • +1

          It's not that they are useless for little people, it's because they operate in a different way.

          For example, suppose that Wireless1 behaves in the same way with nearly every customer. That is, when someone sends back a defective item, they always damage it, and then claim that the customer damaged it, just to avoid providing a refund or repair.

          If the ACCC gets, say, 20 similar complaints, then it will act. (I made the number up. I don't know their exact threshold.) And it acts by suing the company in the courts for violating company law.

          But, the ACCC will never act if there is one single complaint. And it won't act as an advocate of that single customer to try to resolve the complaint.

          • +1

            @vikvance:

            But, the ACCC will never act if there is one single complaint.

            Correct, for the little people its next to useless, as one off complaints do nothing and even when they get a mountain of complaints it takes them years to do 'anything'.

            If anyone is going to the ACCC for a quick fix, they're in for a rude shock.

            • +1

              @JimmyF: Worst part is that OzBargain members keep pumping out the belief that the ACCC is the right place to go.

              I really love it when I get downvoted and told that I'm wrong in deals about this fact. It was satisfying in a deal when the ACCC response was that they don't investigate individual complaints and to go to Fair Trade. I made sure to rub that one in. 😉

              • @Clear:

                Worst part is that OzBargain members keep pumping out the belief that the ACCC is the right place to go.

                A complaint should be lodge to chalk up a mark against the company, but yes its not the go to for a quick fix that people on here/WP keep claiming it'll be.

                I've lodge my share of ACCC complaints and they are next to useless in getting back to me or doing anything about my request.

  • +11

    Assuming you paid via a credit or debit card, do a chargeback through your bank for 'Credit Not Processed'

    • Credit Card via Paypal. Should I do it through Paypal or the credit card company do you think?

      • Pourque non los dos?

      • Paypal first, item not described. BUT it may not work since you already posted it back. Worth a try. Then chargeback via credit card if that doesn't work. You'll 95% likely win the CC chargeback.

  • +9

    Did you take photos before sending it back?

    • ^ Please provide images taken of the good before it was returned for repairs.

    • +1

      I didn't :( Lesson learned here.

  • Anyone got one of them tldr's?

    • +18

      Laptop arrived defective. Sent back. Took weeks of chasing due to poor communication then told OPs fault. OP stressing. Post on OZB for miracle fix. No MS Paint diagram provided.

      • +17

        I'm furious

        • should have ask for ms paint.

    • Have added one now, apologies!

  • I have been through something similar. I purchased my Aero 15 several months ago and it came with a multitude of issues such as lags when watching videos, low performance with Cinebench CPU scores of ~500, BSOD etc. I sent it back to Gigabyte through the retailer Online Computer (who handled it pretty well). Gigabyte techinicans were pretty useless as they sent the laptop back with their "fixes" of updating drivers, running a 3DMark benchmark and not disclosing the test result upgrading the keyboard (?? at least the keys weren't sticky anymore). Obviously, my initial problems persisted but i noticed something else it came with. There was a noticeble dent on the top right hand corner of my laptop. The aero 15 is made of pretty strong metal and not plastic and this dent looked like someone dropped this from a very high place or threw it at a wall because the dent went throughout the whole corner, I had trouble opening the back plate to install my SSD and found it even warped the heatsink. I sent it back to my retailer who then sent it back to Gigabyte. Initially, they defended themselves and accused either I or the retailer dropped it but we both had photos of sending and receiving the laptops and the pictures show that the dent appeared when it was in the hands of Gigabyte. Gigabyte then admitted their fault and ordered a new chassis for the laptop. With the performance issues, they reinstalled Windows and basically wiped my computer of everything related to Gigabyte and I had the option or reinstalling the Gigabyte software from the website. Since then, the performance issues got better, Cinebench was returning scores of over 1000 which is the average for the i7-8750H CPU laptops. Videos still stutter a bit but not as noticeably. I dont know what advice to give you but this is just what I went through.

    • +8

      Here is my theory.

      Gigabyte just gave you a new laptop and then sent your original laptop with the busted corner to OP's retailer.

  • -1

    I think as long as you documented everything, and time of calls, who you spoke to, you will definately get your money, straight to the accc you go.

    • Hope so, thanks!

  • +7

    Credit card chargeback.

    I'd have done that a lot sooner than this though. 45 days is a joke.

    • the damage to the notebook complicates things, its he said she said situation, i doubt the chargeback in this case would be successful.

      • +1

        The best proof OP has that they didn't send it back in that condition is that nobody mentioned it at the retailer or Gigabyte until so long after they received it. If there was obvious serious damage to the chassis when received, it would have been the FIRST thing that mentioned in their correspondence with OP.

        • This is the biggest point for me also.

  • You lost me after "Hi all"

    • This needs a tldr. Siri got tired of reading it out loud.

      • Added one now! Sorry, pregnant Mrs was in need and forgot to add it on the end :P

    • Could've been worse like hi team….what team?

  • +1

    He said he had seen the photos

    Have you?

    • +1

      No. I have no idea the extent of the apparent damage. I will be asking for the photos on Monday.

      • I would start here.

  • +1

    Bought a brand new motherboard from them via eBay. They took two weeks without shipping despite being in stock so I contacted them. They said they didn’t have it anymore and offered a similar substitute board. I was in a hurry so I accepted.

    They then sent me someone’s returned board.

    I contacted them again and said they would send me a brand new one only if I returned the one I received first.

    I had enough and raised an eBay dispute and won. I sent them back their used board and with the refund bought from another store. To this day I avoid them. I think they are dodgy

  • +1

    Looks like they are based in NSW so I would recommend lodging a complaint with fair trading NSW.

    Fair trading actually (and I was extremely surprised) have been really responsive and effective each time this has happened to be with a retailer. They assign you a case officer (Real person in country NSW) which usually has subject matter expertise who basically corresponds with the company on your behalf and makes a written recommendation. I don’t think they can force the retailer to do anything but they make a recommendation which essentially puts the retailer/manufacturer on notice. If they ignore it then I think it is up to you to go to a tribunal to seek an enforceable outcome but I think they can be fined by the regulator so most of the time the smart retailer complied with the recommendation.

    Unless they are completely stupid, I suspect once they start getting calls from fair trading they will process that refund pretty quickly.

    Good luck

    • Which tribunal would they go to?

  • -2

    Zzzzzzz…..
    Oh… ummm… Hi… I think the 21 days is to give them time to fully read and deduce your accompanying letter, then look at the item.

    • Haha. Well the lengthy letter was only required 45 days later.

  • Hope you can get a resolution soon OP, makes one wonder the length to which wireless 1 and gigabyte are going to avoid the cost to fix it.

    • Thanks mate. Fingers crossed.

  • -2

    Well if you're out 3k, the flights to their office and the petrol to burn it and the owner's house down aren't much more….

    ps: do not actually do this, only politicians deserve this

  • Sorry to hear about your experience with Wireless1 and I won't be buying anything from them any time soon :(

    • Yep, ditto Gazza52. It would be interested to get Wireless1’s side of it, but based on OP’s account I would definitely be steering clear of them.

  • +1

    Update posted at the bottom of OP. Some progress but still very concerned.

  • Should have sent them or taken photos before you posted. I always thought wireless 1 look professional but I guess not. Hopefully you get ur refund OP

  • *Update 20/12/2019 - I replied to Wireless1 via Paypal right after they sent a message through the Paypal dispute system, requesting immediate refund. No reply at all over a week later.

    In the meantime I raised a complaint with Fair Trading NSW via their website. Took a week or 2 but got a call from them today - they just asked if it was still unresolved. They are going to speak with Wireless1 and get back to me. Now about 58 days since I posted the laptop back.

    • OP, escalate your paypal claim(do no waste time talking to wireless). It will be overlooked by Paypal and you will win the case in notime, with your evidences of course.

  • +4

    Update 9/1/2019 - Fair trading responded saying that Wireless1 were denying there was ever any fault with the laptop. Basically they have said they have no authority to do anything more and I could take the matter to the tribunal if I wanted. The only problem is that the tribunal is in NSW and I'm in WA, with no option for doing it remotely. In all honesty, the Fair Trading NSW claim was a bit of a waste of time. I could see how it would be worthwhile if I lived in NSW.

    When Wireless1 eventually got back to me, they said that as there was no fault found with the laptop, my options were to try and get a new chassis put on the laptop, or accept a partial refund (with no amount specified). They seem to have completely forgotten that they found a coil whine issue, advised me of it and already "approved" a refund on that basis!

    Wireless1's claim with the courier company was not successful, probably as it couldn't be determined that the damage to the exterior was not already there prior to their delivery to their supplier.

    Spent more time on the phone with Wireless1 and after a lot of BS they eventually offered a 90% refund, for which they tried to make me feel really fortunate for, because it is normally less and the guy really pushed management to get this approved.

    I accepted as this is costing me a lot more in time, effort and stress. I still feel like I've been clearly ripped off $300, but at least I don't have to deal with these guys ever again. I could have seen out the Paypal claim to the end but to do that you have to "deny" the partial refund offer which takes it off the table and then you're in the hands of whoever's making the decision at Paypal. It would've been a lot of my word vs theirs, especially since they rarely replied to emails and most of the communication was over the phone.

    Before accepting, I got a follow up call from Fair Trading NSW because I had emailed pleading for more assistance. When I advised them I had an offer for a 90% refund, the lady made out as if that was a fantastic result and that I should accept it right away. I guess principle or the law is not that important to them.

    Overall, it took about 68 days from the date the item was returned to the point I was actually offered the partial refund via Paypal. This duration in itself shows a serious problem with this company or something very shady going on with regard to my particular case.

    Take-aways for the OzB community:
    * When returning something of value, take photos prior, send them to the company and ask for written confirmation upon arrival that the item is in the condition as represented by the photos.
    * Be extremely wary of Wireless1, especially for items that are high value and have a decent likelihood of a return required (e.g. a laptop)

    • Damn, I guess 90% is a lot better than nothing but still, the principle of the thing. Your time and stress for getting this much back is probably worth way more than the $300 you're out anyway.

    • Maybe you could approach your card provider for a chargeback of $300 of the amount, saying that you felt forced into accepting a partial refund but believe you deserve it all. Just try to summarise it as concisely as possible because you don't want to be explaining a 1500 word essay to the bank, they won't know what's going on.

    • Fair Trading can advise and contact the trader to exert some pressure on your behalf, but otherwise it has zero legal power. The tribunal is the proper authority for settling consumer disputes. Unfortunately, small claims tribunals are state based, while online commerce is not.

  • +1

    Wow, I won't be buying from wireless1 again. On a few occassions they've shipped out completely wrong products to that which I've ordered.

    Sorry to hear you're out $300 OP, over terrible management it seems.

    Would be great to have a response from wireless1 in the forum.

  • Mate, I feel for you. I was looking at their Asus Rog and still weighing between that or Dell. Now that I read about what you’ve been through, no way I will buy anything from them. What happened to you could easily happened to anyone. Make sure you link this to all post by wireless1 from now on, at least people can judge for themselves whether to buy from them or not, but at least people been warned.

  • That is why for an expensive item, I probably deal with Brick and Mortar shop (i.e. Apple, Hardly Normals or Officeworks)

    • I've bought my laptop from Dell eBay, they have pretty good service in terms of actually offering solutions, I originally bought my laptop in late 2017, after multiple issues and replacements I got a brand new laptop upgrade in mid 2019, that was excellent. The technicians I dealt with were a bit weird though, sometimes they fixed the issue but then created a brand new issue, one time the laptop stopped charging completely, but it gets solved eventually, even out of warranty for free.

      The laptop brand matters a bit as well.

  • Wireless 1 aren't too far from me. I haven't purchased from them in years, and doubt it would be for anything expensive

    Sorry for your experience. Hope your business isn't suffering too badly.

  • …Dayum..I actually just spoke to one of their customer service on Wednesday. My Gigabyte Aero 15x that I bought in November 2018 had some issues recently. Won't boot up and found out it was a dead SSD that came with the laptop. Customer service was relatively helpful and send me a return label and told me they will replace it with a brand new laptop even if its just a dead ssd since its still under warranty. I'm from Perth too so they said anywhere from 3 to 4 weeks for it to be replaced. Hope everything goes well.

    To be fair, bought several stuff from Wireless 1 before and they turn out alright after 3 years of use. First issue ever and their delivery time isnt that bad if u live in the metro area.

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