Not sure if you're already aware of this, but I only just found out.
If you post an ad to Gumtree, at the end you get an option to post the ad to eBay for free with no fees. It's limited to two posts a month.
This saves you 10% on the final selling fee, which is potentially a lot!
(profanity) oath
Don't (profanity) swear please.
Maybe lay off the juice?
It’s only the first 2 listings per month but still much better than nothing
Yep. For those of us who have displeased the eBay Gods , this is the only way to get FVF offers.
I used to get the weekend $1 FVF offer every single week and now haven't had one in months! Devastated!
Same. They are insane to think I would pay those full priced fees.
I have $3000 worth of laptops to offload, $300 to host 3 ads? Piss off.
Don't forget selling on eBay there is another fee, PayPal
Not always
are you referring to cash on delivery or pick up?
Otherwise I cant think of any time where paypal doesn't take a % cut on payments for ebay sales
Yep and bank transfer.
You can offer bank transfer as an option in checkout, but buyers sometimes don't follow instructions and will pay when paypal and claim they didn't read the description or can't view the offer terms. So it's another headache in itself sometimes.
@Bargainbeth: As a seller I hate PayPal, as a buyer, I ain’t doing no bank transfer. PayPal all the way
@BarryBargain88: Why not though? As a buyer you get two kinds of protection-eBay and PayPal. Do they not overlap? I would feel fine with paying with bank transfer for small private sellers with really good feedback.
And the buyers I'm referring to accept offers i make, discounted offers with terms to pay through bank transfer only. And don't follow through. That is just an (profanity) move.
@BarryBargain88: I once paid by bank transfer to save the seller paypal fees and it was a headache as the butt head wouldn't send it to me and dragged it out past the 3 months.
Why would people risk cash on pickup
2.7% + $0.30 iirc
Also it's now non-refundable if the order is cancelled for whatever reason.
Such a stitch up
PayPal refunds the % fee
PayPal has only recently changed their policy to make the entire fee non-refundable.
Unless it's been reverted, they will not refund you any of their fee.
Secondhand market is on its knees. 90% of the time I take things to the dump or put into e-waste. Even giving things away can be difficult.
That depends on what you're trying to sell.
Generally tech sells well, and limited run collectibles/out of print items can fetch high prices, but for the latter you might have to wait a month to sell. Clothing is really difficult to sell unless you are willing to settle for 10% of the price of the original item.
The second hand market is much more active in the US than in Australia; a lot more potential customers for niche goods (such a strategic hex based wargames), sellers with more extensive inventories, and people have large Mcmansions to fill with possessions compared to the rabbit hutches people in Australia nowdays live in. America is a shoppers's/consumers' utopia.
Can't agree more, someone must take ebay monopoly down.
Not true. You have to be patient
I sold an 2014 bluray HDD recorder for $380 and a 2011 2nd gen i5 laptop with a broken screen for $180 a few months back.
You just have to be patient. There is always a buyer looking for old tech.
Maybe you live in an area people are more willing? Most people are pretty clued on now. A lot of the time it's not hard to find a good deal on something new.
On top of that, people are much more selective with what they buy these days, the economy and all.
I feel that way too. Even when reselling an apple product it’s a lot harder to get a decent return nowadays compared to five years ago. Generic of non branded stuff is significantly harder to sell so I end up recycling at Officeworks if no one wants to come pick it up.
Even when reselling an apple product it’s a lot harder to get a decent return nowadays
That is because most Apple people want 70c or more on the dollar for their 5 year old macs/phones.
@jace88: Must not be talking about ipad pros, LOL. I need one for only about 3 apps, but… crazy secondhand prices! Even ones with smashed screens bring the loons out to play.
@GregMonarch: Actually I was. The iPad Pro 12.9” 2nd gen 256gb cellular was impossible to sell about 18 months in. Maybe because people don’t see as much value in iPad pro vs other cheaper devices which aren’t a laptop or phone, and hence I think I ended up selling it for about $850ish with the keyboard cover.
Previously I was able to sell an iPad Air 2, 11” MacBooks, various iPhones and an old iMac at pretty reasonable prices without much effort even when they’re a few years old.
@jace88: That's the kind of crazy price I'm talking about, LOL. I can't believe the price a 1st Gen 128GB Pro still sells for. Maybe second hand units will come down to a realistic price that I'd pay in another 5-7 years. (Or maybe someone making Android tablets will just take some IQ pills and make one with a 12" or larger - and 4:3 aspect ratio - screen.)
@GregMonarch: $850 is a relatively low residual by Apple standards I’d say. From memory I spent about $1700ish? Historically I would get about 50-60% after two years on apple stuff but then I guess times have changed. Out of interest what are the three apps you need an iPad Pro for? I didn’t think anything really benefitted from it especially now that new iPads support keyboard and pencil anyway.
The person who I sold it to bought it so his kid had a big screen and good speakers to watch YouTube on.
@jace88: They're all piano related apps. I forget their names atm, but one is an app used to tune pianos; another is by a publisher of piano courses (they refuse to state if they plan to make an android version or not); and the third app has various features, but the main two I'm interested in are where you take I think it's 3x photos of a page of sheet music and it selects the best one or combines them somehow, then stores them as PDF files. Then you can annotate (write on) the PDFs using the stylus. I believe that last app also syncs with a bluetooth pedal you click with your foot to 'turn' PDF pages so you don't have to pause and use your hands.
I think android does most of this too (except #2). But ipads also have a 4:3 screen aspect ratio which android does not. That matches the aspect ratio of many sheet music books which are mostly 12" x 9". (Divide both 12" and 9" by 3, and you get 4:3.) But because android has the same 16:9 ratio as PCs/laptops, the page height isn't a problem, but to get a similar 'width' you have to go all the way up to 17" or 19", which of course - doesn't exist in a tablet.
To a lesser extent I have lots of piano video tutorials, and I learned ipad pros have better sound with their 4x speakers.
But… I can't justify the costs I'm seeing. It shocked me how 4-5 year old devices still sell for so much.
@GregMonarch: It sounds like the only thing you really need from a pro in the current lineup is the 4x speakers since pencil support is available in other models. Is the regular iPad really not workable given it’ll be cheaper brand new than a second hand iPad Pro? Unless you’re craving the 12.9” because it’s big and easier to read (I used to do piano and found the regular sized iPad screen just a bit cramped for reading script on the fly).
You must've made a lot of friends during that long wait, ya know, tyrekicker friends
I'm a the point now where I just stopped selling things and horde it instead. The only people that bite in secondhand ads are vultures who want it for next to nothing AND for you to organise and cover postage or delivery. I've even had people want to post to the same suburb, to which I replied "I'll just drop it off" and they refused with "no, post only thanks".
That has to be someone trying to claim you didn't send it or some other scam, why else would someone refuse much faster delivery and the option to inspect the item
I also ended up hoarding until my wife complained :( So now I plan to just donate old games consoles/etc that I can't trade in easily at EB/JB.
True. I just don't bother trying to sell anything anymore, everyone wants stuff for nothing (except when it is actually free then no-one wants it at all). Plus postage prices often exceed the value of the item. These days I'm just more ruthless and bin stuff or take down salvos etc.
Don't think so, still plenty of stuff for sale or gumtree would be so yesterday.
Selling for super cheap? Having the patience of a patron saint? Living in the right locations to get the most buyers?
What combination of factors does one need to succeed in the business of selling things secondhand?
I am amazed there still are second hand shops. How do they even survive…
That could be said for ebay too. There you can be scammed and forget about getting your money back or near impossible. On gumtree it's easy to spot waster and I just ignore them. Generally my experience with gumtree is good, both as seller and buyer. Sure, I'd get someone asking if it's still available, send reply yes, done and forget. If they reply good, if not good. If I say my lowest and they go lower I just don't reply. It's really simple common sense.
@bargainparker: Doesn't sound like it's worth most people's time, nor does any of that sound like success.
My general experience on eBay, gumtree and marketplace = better to give things away to family/friends or donate.
@Oofy Doofy: Sure they are but if uber wasn't making money it would go down. Now if you are talking about people driving for uber, that is not comparing apples to apples. Uber driver has to put a lot in, to get something back. Gumtree seller on the other hand just needs to spend a few mins on the computer to post an ad and it costs nothing.
@Oofy Doofy: As I said, if a business is losing money, they will go down, sooner or later.
If gumtree didn't make money, ebay would pull the plug. It's capitalism, it's business.
@bargainparker: I'm surprised ebay hasn't killed gumtree. ebay has bought other auction sites in the past (like sold.com.au which was great) and closed them soon after.
There's buyers everywhere there's people (unless you live on a remote outback sheep station). ;-p You bought it, so someone else will too.
All about what it is.
If all you buy and sell is cheap Chinese knock off junk, then of course.
Buy quality sort after items and they will knock your door down for a good price.
Generally speaking, the cost of transporting some second hand items are outweighed by shopping brand new products from KMART. Kmart is booming for a reason. Value for money.
Thanks for alerting us! I had no idea. I always post to both and they ALWAYS end up selling on Ebay, not GT. Could be saving.
This saves you 10% on the final selling fee
Are you sure? What does the T&Cs say? Posting the 'ad' is free, but do the T&Cs no final fee?
During the Promotion Period, pay no Insertion Fees or Final Value Fees for an item you list and make available for purchase in a single category when you:
i) list an item not in an Excluded Category on Gumtree via www.gumtree.com.au (which must be a completed, legitimate listing);
ii) click the “Free Post to eBay” banner displayed on the Gumtree Listing Confirmation Page and click the “Confirm and import listing” button on ebay.com.au (“Click Through”); and
iii) list an item not in an Excluded Category on www.ebay.com.au and subsequently sell the eBay item within 30 days (“Qualifying Sale”) (the “Promotion Requirements”).
Excellent…. Yes can be a great saving then!
Depending on the item/sale terms, you may be forced to accept Paypal though. Which can open you up to scams. With Gumtree you may have to wait longer, but you can specify cash only, no paypal, and no chargebacks or returns because someone claimed 'item was not as described', etc.
@GregMonarch: Yes I'm aware and have a strict cash only for items being picked up, regardless of what 'ebay' says, its my item I'm selling, I'm paying them to list it, not tell me how to accept money. If the buyer insists on doing paypal for pickup, then I just cancel the sale and move on and relist it.
I sold something for pickup on ebay a couple of days ago, the listing says cash on pickup only, they won and then said they wanted to pay via paypal. Nope, cash only or we can cancel the sale if you like. Cash it was.
If the buyer insists on doing paypal for pickup, then I just cancel the sale and move on and relist it.
LOL, that's the way!
I remember ebay FORCING sellers to accept paypal - and punishing them if they listed "cash only". It must've been one of the few times ebay listened to anyone outside their crazy marketers, because there was such a backlash that 'cash on pickup' appeared again real fast.
@GregMonarch: Yeah not allowing cash on pickup is just crazy. If paypal didn't take such a large chunk and didn't open you up to scams then I would be happy to take paypal for pickup, but too many scams and I don't see why I need to pay 2.6% to paypal for them 'handling' my money, when I can do that myself.
I'm sure my listings go against ebays 'rules' but I only put cash only for the pickup items. I've sold lots of things via post with paypal and haven't had any issues, but I do follow the 'rules' to protect myself.
@DemocracyManifest: Its ebay, so the price has already been 'agreed'. Lowball at pickup and deals off, piss off and I cancel the ebay sale.
counterfeit cash is rare, but a quick check of the money is easy enough and if its fake, i have all their contact details as provided by ebay. Makes the police job nice and easy.
You have way more paypal risk for local pickup than getting counterfeit cash!
You have way more paypal risk for local pickup than getting counterfeit cash!
Exactly. Ebay is better for buyers, and gumtree/farcebook is better for sellers.
This doesn't work in practice because once you list it on ebay you must sell it to the highest bidder even if there was someone from gumtree ready with cash, they will need to go on ebay instead.
Not true, if you sell it on Gumtree you cancel the eBay auction
Fixed price?
I find Facebook market place is more effective than gumtree in terms of selling second hand items.
I find this too, I assume from the sheer number of readers - but the level of dickheadedness/timewasting/tyrekicking/lowballing on facebook is about the same as gumtree. ie. almost intolerable.
Totally agree , and Don’t forget the scammers with the famous “ Please email Me the items details to this email address “ , plus no shows , and resellers / flippers . I learnt that’s best to meet them at McDonalds and food courts as there are cameras around to monitor them in case you are selling expensive items.
Hate selling stuff on Marketplace. So many time-wasters. WTF is with people who send that standard “is this still available”. If you can still see the thing then it’s still f@#kin available. Even considering the paypal fees I find things sell for more on eBay, depends a bit on the item I suppose, being able to mail it helps.
It's understandable. As a buyer on gumtree I've often contacted someone to buy something and then a) got no response, checked a few days later and ad has been pulled down or b) got reply saying it's no longer available.
End result is many sellers don't worry about managing their listings very well.
Some are just wastetimers, but others want to make sure you still have it as I know too some don't delete ad and it's been sitting there for quite a while. On the other hand so many times I find seller put a photo of something and you can't see much plus description consists only of something like selling phone xxxx good condition. You don't even know what model it is let alone to decide whether it is a good buy or not.
It works both ways. There are bad buyers, but there are bad sellers too.
I haven't yet had problems with selling, although had with buying and by that account I could counter you and say sellers are bad.
Just don't take it personal. It's not like you spend five minutes answering, yes, still available and I hope after you say yes, you don't sit by the phone sweating whether they will contact you to buy it or not. Just get on with your business. I had buyers done that, answered yes and went on about my business.
It's not only gumtree/facebook, there are wastetimers everywhere, even in my family. Where would I be if I was bothered with that.
So don't stress, it shortens your lifespan and you do want to enjoy that superannuation you saved (I hope).
@bargainparker: I’m not losing any sleep over it. Just wanted to express that in my experience eBay has produced a better result. When I’ve sold the odd thing on Marketplace I get the “is this still available” within a few hours of listing. Often I reply “yes” and then never hear from the person again or they ask for some stupid price. That message comes in because Facebook messenger suggests that as something to send straight up.
@herbo: Yes, because with ebay it works very differently, you can't just flick a message asking if it is still available or say I'll give you 10 bucks for a $100 item as you said the lowest best offer and it auto rejects, but if you want some horror stories, just go to whirlpool forum and you'll see. People get scammed both ways.
It's puzzling isnt it? It's just a completely pointless question - if you want to buy the item, your first message should be either a price offer or asking when/where you can come have a look/buy it.
If it's no longer for sale, the seller will obviosuly tell you that no matter what message you send!
@lordezekiel: Gumtree/facebook has autoreply built in, so they just flick it.
While it's puzzling, I had sellers where I called just to be greeted with voicemail, and/or I send an sms asking exactly what you said, never to hear from them and sometimes the ad stays there for days.
As I said there are bad apples on both sides.
I call that confirmation that my ad has been listed!
Honestly though it is too easy to press that button when browsing. But I always send a follow up message saying it was an accidental click
I agree well especially for low cost furnishings that just need to cleared out, table, couch, lamp, vacuum cleaner. I’ve sold a lot on FB marketplace recently.
I get the feeling that Ebay is not doing as well as they used to do.
When they stopped the $1.10 selling deal, it just was not worth making the effort when they were taking such a bit cut.
Then they start employing tactics that border on dishonesty, such as not emailing you when items are automatically relisting, and hoping they get away with charging monthly listing fees as soon as the automatic relisting occurs.
Really, it seems sometimes that they do not know what they want themselves - from encouraging you to increase listings, to then advising you to reduce your listing to 40 a month (to avoid listing fees).
Then they decide to re-introduce the $1.10 selling deal.
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Yeah they really are f**cking over all the smaller sellers with their stupid decisions.
Used to list my old games and stuff quite often on ebay on the $1 thing, now it's gone it's just not worth it, rather sell em on facebook, heck even gumtree, at least it doesn't cost you money dealing with the scum on there.
and their sellers admin area is a shamozal ! almost as bad as Facebook
Hang on so if I leave 40 listings on eBay say every month maximum and they auto renew i wont be charged fees right
Correct.
Just the 10.9% ebay fees when they sell and the ~3% paypal fees when they pay.
I sell heaps on gumtree and this had totally escaped my attention. Thanks OP :)
This is a dupe unless old post is 6 months old
I used to sell only on eBay weekends $1.10 deal, they caught on and stopped offering me that deal 😂 Thanks OP will look into this two sales a month better then nothing.
Make sure you check the eBay post carefully when you click across. I've sold many things this way and most times it brings across weird changes to the original Gumtree ad. Mainly the price but others as well.
I've found a lot of female buyers will buy through eBay and pay with PayPal before picking up. Assume it's so that they don't need to bring cash to the pick up.
eBay buyers are always better than Gumtree. Jesus Gumtree has some weird cats on there.
Be careful selling and them paying via Paypal and picking it up. You have no proof it has been collected and they can easily dispute it was never sent and get refunded.
Good point thanks
Usually PayPal protections don't cover items picked up (where listed for picking).
(profanity) that’s a decent deal