Recommend a Forever Car (Budget around $18k)

Hey y'all hope everyone is doing well.

Currently looking for a 4-banger with a budget of around $18k.

Not after anything fancy just something reliable which can take mua from A to B and maybe sometimes to C and then maybe to D and E and hopefully back again. That is all.

On another note came across this offer from a reputable local Mitsubishi dealer yesterday:

2017 Mitsubishi Lancer ES Sport CF
Auto
Blue
Demo 6kms
Mitsubishi Warranty until Apr 30 2024
$17k Drive Away with $2k min trade-in (have a registered 94 Camry to take advantage of that)

Any thoughts on this Lancer offer is it any good? With the trade-in comes down to $15k Drive Away (it rhymes as well).

Cheers y'all any advice and recommendations will be much appreciated :)

Booop.

Comments

  • +5

    The Japanese brands like your Toyotas, Mazdas & Hyundais have a great reputation for lasting forever. I'm personally a Toyota fan so I think a Camry, Corolla or prius (hybrid) will serve you well. My mates Prius 2012 runs on 3-4L/100km, it's ridiculous. My 2013 Corolla hatch sits around that 9-10L/100km with a lot of suburban driving.

    You can look to hire car companies and see what they hire out. They'll be looking to have the most reliable and easily serviceable cars possible.

    • +13

      Hyundai = Korean

    • +1

      The hire car companies seem to have taken on a lot of the new Holden 'Commodores'. Personally I wouldn't say Opel are exactly reknown for long term reliability. I think what you will find is Holden just sold them off at bargain basement prices that the car hire companies couldn't resist.

      Purchase price and resale value will be two of the most crucial factors for hire car companies. They tend to service in-house and most likely aren't doing full log book servicing anyway.

  • +5

    Mate, I have the exact same 2017 Lancer, down to the colour.

    Been driving it for 2 years, and have put 60k on the clock - hasn't skipped a beat. I would recommend it to anyone for sure. Any questions, let me know!

    • Cheers boss great to know.

    • +2

      I had a manual 08 CJ Lancer back in the day. It got driven hard and ran just as good as new when it was sold at 115k on the clock. Very easy to service and low cost of ownership. Only issue it had was the MAF sensor failed half way through the warranty period and was replaced. I just sum that up to bad luck and could happen with any car.

      Friend had an auto 07 Lancer and it did over 180k before sold and never skipped a beat. Only thing was it was driven quite gentle and the motor just didn't seem all that responsive compared to mine in the later years the friend had it.

      They were good cars back in 2007 and 2008 but after a few years there would have been better models on the market as Mitsubishi does often seem to be atleast half a cycle behind the competition in terms of their offering.

      Now in 2019 there are much better offerings I think. Current model Hyundai i30s and Kia Ceratosfor example are well ahead of the CJ/CF.

      If you are set on the Lancer, it should be a reliable car to own but I'd consider buying a used one for well under $15k, otherwise she'll up a bit more and go for the i30 or Cerato.

      • +1

        I have owned a 2008 auto lancer and I totally agree. The design of the car is simple compared to the rest, and in my mind a good candidate to “forever car” for that reason alone

  • +4

    1994 Camry.

  • +44

    Thank you to everyone for all their advice and recommendations.

    After careful consideration I've decided to go with a 2016 Lamborghini Aventador.

    Yeah it's a bit over my budget but I think it might pay off in the long run. Bob from the dealership thinks the same.

    • +11

      You can't go wrong with such a high-yield investment, congrats!

      • +2

        Thank you. That is exactly what Bob said.

        Bob

        Is that you?

        Bob?

        Bob?

        • +2

          I'm Bob.

          I forgot to tell you that I need to pick the car up every Friday night to take it in for track servicing over the weekend.
          I will also drop it back to you Sunday night with a full tank of petrol.
          I have kept spare keys to make it easier.

          We normally charge for this service however because you insisted paying more than the asking price I will do it for free.

          • @spaceflight: Hey Bob.

            Thank you.

            Faith in humanity restored.

  • +4

    Corolla/Camry - Done

  • +6

    I wouldn't get a CJ lancer personally. Hate how bulky and heavy they look.

    For a budget such as yours, I would actually highly recommend a 2012-14 Honda Accord Euro Luxury CU2. Good petrol efficiency, leather seats, heated seats, sunroof and satnav (if you opt for the Navi optioned ones).

    You'll find them for around 13-17k with lowish KMs.

    • +3

      +1 Honda Accord Euro

      • +4

        +K24 timing chain guide/tensioner.

        • +1

          Can you elaborate? I have one and am concerned now.

          • +3

            @nomoneynoproblems: It's a known weak link in these engines. As mileage gets higher, or if modified, the tensioner wears and the timing chain stretches. This usually affects higher RPM VTEC engagement, to the point it doesn't feel as peppy.

            There are aftermarket kits to address it, and they fix it once and for all.

            In the meantime, keep an eye on oil level and ensure you top it up as necessary.

  • +6

    Get the new(-ish) BD Kia Cerato.

  • +1

    Any car will get you from A to B, look on carsales for cars within your budget and test drive them

  • +2

    Sorry, no car will last forever. Hell unless you're over 65, or have a medical condition that's going to prevent driving, I can't recommend a car that would last the rest of your driving life expectancy.

    • +3

      I just turned sixty five and a half yesterday.

      • +2

        Well I would normally say I stand corrected but instead I'll offer my sincerest wishes that your health outlasts this car!

  • +4

    I bought one of these Lancers ~2 years ago and have been really happy with it. Was $18K drive away with fixed price servicing at $220 a year for 3 years. Reversing camera, bluetooth and alloys. I recon they look pretty damn good for the cash too.

    People be salty.

  • +1

    When buying a brand new car in 2011, I tried Mitsubishi Lancer, Toyota Corolla and Mazda 3. Lancer was CVT (I didn't like that), Corolla was a bit boring and Mazda was just right. I liked the handling of Mazda. The Mazda still goes strong. I changed battery twice in 8 years and only front brakes once (at 110,000kms). I reccomend Mazda 3, but 2011-2012 model, because it is very simple, and I never tried their Skyactive model. For $10,000 you can get a really good example that will last you for many years. Cheers.

  • +1

    SW20 MR2 turbo.

  • +2

    Any late model Japanese small/medium sized diesel car, second hand.

    My sister picked up a rare (in Australia) 2013 Honda Civic diesel just recently. Honda's diesel engine is a real enthusiast engineered engine.

    I would say ATM, Nissan and Mazda (I prefer Mazda) make some of the best diesel engines for small vehicles these days, besides Honda.

    I owned a CJ VR lancer from new, it was a reliable and safe car for several years. I sold it on after 5-6 years, only because I wanted something different. Back when I was looking for a new car, it was the best value proposition for a small/medium sized car compared to everything else on offer.

    I'm going to be a little random and say I think the MG ZS would be a good buy. MG ZS 1.0 Excite Plus or the top-spec MG ZS 1.0 Essence.

  • -1

    VW Golf

  • -2

    lancer is a pos. every lancer driver in every country i have been to (damn they are everywhere) are often driven by the unaware both in life and in vehicle choice.

    go toyota or kia or hyundai.

    • +5

      Tommi makinen drove a lancer

    • +1

      I have a recurring nightmare of a white Toyota Camry pulling out in front of me…

      • +1

        driven by you know who or an uber driver

    • +1

      Ouch !

  • +1

    I've had a 93 Landcruiser, 93 daihatsu charade, and an 04 RAV4.

    The landy was driven hard from new and started to go pop around the 500k mark.

    The charade little things went wrong around the 300k mark but was cheap af to service and fix; wish I'd kept it.

    The RAV4 is at around 200k, and is starting to burn a bit of oil. Replacing seals or rings or whatever is expensive, so I'm letting it burn for a while. It's been an awesome car but surprised this is happening so early.

    In short I'd probably recommend any of them. If I didn't have family in the bush, off a fire trail that the charade didn't always make it through, i would have kept the charade instead of buying a rav.

    Next car will be a Suzuki jimny or a Toyota 86 or an amg a45s depending how I'm feeling around purchase time.

  • +1

    Corolla backwards is Alloroc

    • -3

      you've gotta be a bit backwards to buy a corolla nowadays.

      • +7

        or smart. Some people don't want to spend their lives in service centres sipping coffees or worry about expensive repair bills.

        • -2

          lmao this is a bit over the top. How much is Toyota paying you?

          Plenty of cars don't need to live in service centres. Toyota isn't going that well on that front these days anyway.

          • @[Deactivated]:

            Toyota isn't going that well on that front these days anyway.

            sure mate.
            My 2016 Merc (given to me) is being called back for steering rack issues. They still don't know how to bolt that thing in place. My cousin is taking Merc to court for issues with his C63. Merc won't fix the skidding issue with their post-2017 GLC models.

            • +1

              @Numlock: And what does that have to do with Toyota?

              Toyota is currently facing a class action over screwing up stuff on its diesels.

              Just a few years ago they recalled 9 million cars worldwide for a dangerous issue.

              That's just two things I can think of off the top of my head, without mentioning how anti-innovation their Australian market cars are.

              • +2

                @[Deactivated]:

                And what does that have to do with Toyota?

                They're still the most reliable and have the highest volume of sales.

              • +1

                @[Deactivated]: i agree with numlock.

                i drive both. also had analysts go through vehicle costs and time staff spent on maintenance/downtime with corp cars and the mercs are constantly in service - tyres, brakes, aircon smell, trivial mechanical especially on performance parts. they are much nicer to drive though.

                we would have toyotas that would have had 2-3 services over a five year span, hiluxes would run the same set of tyres for 100k km's plus (R623's) whilst mercs/beamers would need tyres changes every 20-30k kms.

                toyota faults over airbags you can't blame them, diesel gate issues honestly who cares apart from the europeans who are sending themselves bankrupt over issues that don't affect driving performance or your daily use.

                • +1

                  @CalmLemons: Why do you guys keep coming back to Mercedes and BMW? I'm not recommending that OP get a euro car. There are just cars out there with similar reliability to Toyotas that drive nicer, look nicer, and are better value for money. See Mazda, Kia, Hyundai.

    • +2

      A Toyota's a Toyota

  • +1

    Corolla or camry.

  • Go for it, mitsubishi is a long time big company and they have most reliable products.
    They have big thing from airplane to a pencil.

    • +1

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uni-ball
      Uni-ball and Uni are brands of pens and pencils, made by the Mitsubishi Pencil Company Limited
      .Despite its naming and the near identical logomarks, Mitsubishi Pencil Company is unrelated to the Mitsubishi Group,[5] and has never been a part of their keiretsu.

  • +3

    6k cheaper than a 19' run out corolla and it comes with mag wheels damn thats tempting

  • +2

    for me ..i think it come down to couples of things..
    are u willing to spend more …the deal you got is not a bad deal, but u can get a near new/new hyundai/kia ( i30/cerato) kia has 7 year warranty for sub 20k that is 2k away only

    newer car has better tech better fuel consumption, i have a car using same lancer engine, driving 90% in urban on peak time..average 12L/100km..if u drive alot, and in peak hour, best is hybrid,,corolla /camry hybrid
    most of the new car has active safety control, do u trust yourself/another half will never make a mistake, obviosuly u cant rely on the tech, but if those save u once from an accident, that may be 1 or 2 k saved or even ur life.
    find a weekend go sit in some car, by the end of the day u are the one who really know what u need,
    my recommend if fuel consumption is a factor get a used hybrid corolla, find around whatever fit ur budget
    15k-18k if only 2 people, get a new jazz or Mazda 2..taking care the car from new will guaranty last forever
    if a small family,i think should stretch a little get a new kia with 7 year warranty..doesnt need to worry any mechanical problem for 7 year with all the active safety in the car.

  • +1

    Saw a v8 gs lexus another day on Gumtree that's gone before I had a second look wish I had a budget for something fun.

    • +2

      Not as fun as the Lamborghini that dins ended up buying.

      • True.

  • +1

    i30 Premium Diesel… I have one ripper car

    https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2013-hyundai-i30-pr…

    • +1

      i must say, hyundai must have poached some of the best vehicle designers out there, nearly all of their fleet looks really good.

      Nissan and Mitsubishi on the other hand must have been left with the failed uni grads, nearly all of their cars look like utter vomit.

      • +2

        I went to the international car show last year.

        Every car manufacturer showing their concepts and new models, VW and Honda with some concepts that belong in the Jetsons.

        Then you walk past Mitsubishi and they have these embarrassingly old models on display. They aren't even trying

  • +5

    Toyota Crown Athlete - Extremely great value for money!!!!!

  • +1

    Had a 2012 i30 elite which I later sold to my mum, now have a 2014 Hyundai Veloster turbo SR which I really enjoy. Good mix between functionality and performance. Never had an issue with Hyundai.

  • +3

    If it was my money and my priority was long term reliability - I'd buy a Kia.
    7 year warranty (which I had to take advantage of a few months ago). I own a 2015 Kia Rio, from new, now with 100,000km on the clock. I've only had 1 issue with it.
    A small plastic part came off on the drivers sun visor - I suspect due to the car being parked in the sun daily and the glue weakening. I mentioned it on my recent service and the dealership supplied & fitted a brand new complete passenger sun visor under warranty, no questions asked.

    tl;dr - Bought a Kia, only thing that has needed attention is a broken sun visor clip, replaced under warranty free of charge with no hassles.

    • +2

      Yep my Hyundai i30 Diesel is actually fitted with a Kia engine. Been faultless

    • +2

      Yep my KIAs head unit died and I got a brand new Apple CarPlay replacement upgrade free if charge. Had to wait a few weeks for it to arrive but seriously happy as it saved me thousands.

  • +4

    I can't speak to the Lancer auto but I've been driving a 2009 CJ Lancer ES for the last decade and it has never ever needed to go to the mechanic. Just change its oil, change its tyres, keep it fueled and it never quits. If your lancer is anything like my lancer, you're in for a nice decade of anonymous, unexciting reliability. In this Lancer I have passed many more beautiful and expensive vehicles that are broken down on the side of the road. Sexy doesn't get you home every night; reliability does.

    • +3

      I can vouch for this also (owned an 09 CJ VR for 5 years or so from new). I always scheduled logbook servicing though, ha.

      • +4

        I can't understand the lancer hate in some of these comments. It's like hating bread. The formula doesn't have to change every year if it's working.

        • +2

          Yer, cant understand. Changing the formula usually means hit to resale (as you now have the ‘old’ model), can mean higher parts and insurance as things like panels, etc. are hard to come by, etc. And we are only talking about an A to B car here – you cant argue that an i30 or Corolla is a luxury vehicle in comparison to a Lancer. The suggestion on the previous page for a Golf is the exact opposite of a forever car to me.

          I had a MY14.5 Lancer for 3 years and have never had a car that was as cheap to run. Cheap to buy, cheap servicing, reliable, cheap insurance (<$300/yr full comp), good on fuel. Exact traits I would look for in a forever car. Only got rid of it because family. Which then I did look at an Outlander as the SUV-equivalent of the Lancer.

          Only thing I would look for is if any of the rivals you could buy had more active safety tech. I found the Lancer I had did everything pretty good, as well as having a fair bit of room and boot space in comparison to its rivals. Tried-and-tested I guess would be the comment about it.

  • +1

    with $2k min trade-in (have a registered 94 Camry to take advantage of that)

    If you are in an area that you are not too far from a second dealership… then a handy thing to note, is that with these type of offers, they can actually just take $$ off the car, equal to whatever they are losing on the trade in.
    They probably only get about $50-$100 for your 94 camry. $200 max , but very unlikely from what I am told by someone highly experienced in dealership management.
    They don't keep old beaters on the lot next to the nice cars, so they have them picked up. Sell them for scrap basically, because of the cost to the crappy used car dealer to transport it to new dealership, then they have to pay rent on the space it takes up, commission to used car salesperson etc. So even though the dealership the $100 beater goes to, they might put $999 on it, and eventually sell it after a few weeks for $800, they aren't making that much at the end of the day.
    I got the option to buy any of these cars at what the used dealer pays 'cost price' . A good option, if you have a close friend who is a manager or dealer principle

    If first dealership manager says no, just try the next one If they are the only dealership in 500km or something, they might be less willing to bargain on price etc, just because they know you have no other option.
    My info is coming straight from a dealership manager of over 10 years, last position was managing multiple dealerships at once. They lose alot on these inflated trade in buys, and any good manager will be well aware of these figures. They'd rather just take the $$ off, and not have the hassle of disposing of the beater to the bloke who comes picks them up in a truck and takes them to some dodgy type used car yard. unless, the manufacturer is covering the loss on trade ins as a promotional bonus But I doubt it. Manufactures do give bonuses to managers/dealer-principle, staff, worth >$10,000 , but that is for meeting sales targets usually.

    • +1

      Cheers for the tips Chewie may the force be with you always.

  • +2

    I recommend 2017+ suzuki swift 12-17k. Only hatch back that has a timing chain, reliable car that are made in japan unlike Hondas and Toyotas which made their hatches in Thailand. Get a manual it'll go forever. Generally auto transmission is unreliable, however toyota cvt and hondamatics are spectacularly crap in turns reliability.

    • +1

      That’s not true anymore Suzuki outsourced to India and Thailand years ago. They are just another also ran these days. Since leaving the world rally they haven’t produced anything interesting.

      My bet is always on KIA/Hyundai as the money the government spent building state of the art manufacturing for these cars is world class. The latest cerato or the stinger are exceptional cars for the money. Go test drive one you’ll be blown away.

      • +1

        The current Jimny and Swift are both manufactured in Japan.

  • +1

    There's no such thing as a forever car really.

    Personal safety is paramount, especially in today's driving conditions, so look for anything with a 5 star NCAP rating and go from there.

  • +3

    i30, corolla, cerato, camry, mazda3, ASX. Most will get hate, but they're all generally reliable if somewhat uninspiring transport, with OK dealer networks and plenty of them around. Acceptable service costs, economy, not always the latest but proven reliability/longevity.

    As a European, I'd avoid euro cars here, they're more expensive and less reliable than SEA counterparts. Get them if you have more $$$, they are often great to drive/nicer, but if reliable no nonsense getting around, stick with what's proven to work here. Avoid ford or holden, they both seem awful, despite their cult like following.

  • +1

    Hopefully one with no din[t]s in it :)

    • Sweet az cuz will keep that in mind aye.

  • From a long term home vehicle restorer's pov, best to stay away from Mitsubishi. They are like the Alcatel of phones, or LG of vehicles. Just my opinion. And subarus are just stupid.
    Toyota and other common jap brands with research may be best choice, though nissan/datsun were also cutting too many corners eg. weak cylinder heads.

  • +2

    Last gen Mazda3 (2013-2018), even better if it's SP25 variant, gets you A to B with a bit of fun.

  • +2

    Depending on how close A & B are, consider a Nissan LEAF.

  • +3

    Get a last gen faced Mazda 3 man. Easy.

    • +2

      You absolutely couldn't go wrong with that!

  • +1

    I'm no car expert but from experience I've found most modern cars last a good 10 years problem free with regular maintenance. Many of the 'repairs' during that time I find are pretty much maintenance items.

    If you owned a 94 corolla, assuming for a long time given we're in 2019. What's wrong with getting another?

    May I suggest just getting a second hand late model car. My only thought is if you're considering it as a 'forever' car you (jokes aside) have some sort of well planned / anticipated life expectancy. In which case if you have an inkling that may be the case and a medical condition or something could worsen, whats the point of purchasing a newer car that will lose it's value quickly?

    Why not keep fixing up the old car as necessary if you're only going A-B?. Drive it till it dies! I see many 94 era corollas still on the road. Apparently that model is one of the most reliable corollas ever I heard from my brother who loves Toyotas. Or I'd save the money and buy another second hand car to avoid depreciation on a limited use newer vehicle.

    If you have your heart set on a newer car that you just don't want the hassle of fixing up all the time, have you considered vehicles with maximum warranty? I don't work for Kia but they do have a 7 year warranty vehicle for slightly more peace of mind. New Kia Cerato $20k driveway (so demo would be slightly less) or the Kia Rios (18k? new) all come with 7 years and capped price servicing.

    On carsales I notice many demo Picantos under 50kms (another basic Kia) around the $15k mark. They will get you from A-B and being what it is probably lower maintenance and ongoing costs compared to a larger sedan… Starting from basics such as fuel and tyres. Yes the Picanto is a 1L fairly under powered for long distance trips but you'll probaby find power wise it might match a 25 year old Corolla.

    A wise old man once told me, darling, in life nothing lasts forever.

    Just realised you decided on the Lamborghini. So I suppose my comment is just in case you change your mind at the last minute or Bob forgot to add a few extra zeros on his quote. Or maybe he meant $18k was just for the yearly maintenance cost of the car…

    • Bladdy Bob didn't mention the 5 in front of the 18,000. Luckily I read the first page of the contract before signing it which is not something I usually do. Dodged a bullet right there thank you baby Jeebus.

      Any who after seeing all the recommendations here checked out the 2019 Cerato range. Yesterday put in an order for a GT sedan in sunset orange because you know I wasn't after anything fancy really. Have to find another ten grand tho so here's hoping santa is feeling much more generous this year. Don't need any more socks I don't even wear shoes (rare allergy which I won't go into in detail here as it might take away from the seriousness of this post).

      • +1

        Haha! Sunset Orange. Good pick, I hear the metallic fragments glistens in the sun… You just couldn't resist the red piping in the black leather seats either could you?

        Well you did have your heart set on the Lamborghini so I can't blame you for going with the GT range. It's as close to it as you'll get in a little cerato….

        I recall one time when the hire company ran out of the type of cars we're entitled to on our rental tier and downgraded us to a Cerato sedan I wasn't too pleased. Neither the Mister nor I knew anything about the Cerato and once we googled it and saw how cheap it was he was quite surprised at the value and especially impressed with the suspension.

        I don't know too much about the GT range for that matter so had to read a review about it.

  • +1

    With $18k don't bother with a Toyota. You can get something just as reliable that looks, sounds, feels, and drives a thousand times nicer for your budget. Highly recommend the Honda Accord Euro. With 18k you can go even for the luxury models that have leather interior and seat warmers. Very nice cars that never skip a beat.

  • +1

    I recently got a 2015 Mazda 3 SP25 2.5L with 67,000km for $14.5k. It's a more luxurious drive than the Toyota corolla and is more fuel efficient, which was the main other car I was looking at.

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