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A free (and DRM-free) game offer from an indie developer. Available for direct download or add to your Ingiegala Showcase library.
On Steam it costs $5.95 (currently discounted to $0.77) and is rated Very Positive.
[PC] Free Game - Merry Glade @ Indiegala
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The game isn't downloaded via any proprietary client/platform, so what is there to add to the title?
That's the point. That would be good to know and "DRM-free" (which is a tag too) should be in the title. There are people who just want Steam keys and hence know not to look at the post.
This deal is already tagged as DRM-free and it is also the fourth word in the description. People who want only Steam keys should have applied and deprioritised the title tag filter Steam or the tag filter Steam Game. If you want to make DRM-free games easy to ignore for these users, then you too should move your DRM-free title description into a title tag and also tag your posts DRM-free Game. For example,
[PC] FREE - DRM-free - Grand Pigeon's Duty - Indiegala should be changed to [PC, DRM Free] Free Game - Grand Pigeon's Duty @ Indiegala. (Note: hyphen is not permitted in a title tag.)
I have yet to see a "DRM Free" title tag being applied to a post, and I am not starting this trend.
@alvian: I do not mean in a title tag - I mean the tag at the bottom.
In the example you cited (posted by me) it it very obvious in the title it is DRM-free - no need for the Steam fans to click the post.
Problem with "Free game" is it could be Steam/Origin etc. or DRM-free or some other service such as Gamesessions (which is why those posts also contain the minimum play requirement in the title). The more and more precise info in the title the better.I do not mean in a title tag - I mean the tag at the bottom.
You are confusing me now. There is a tag at the bottom of this post.
I didn't want to finger-point, but you are the one who don't tag your posts consistently. For examples,
- [PC] FREE - DRM-free - Snake Eyes Dungeon - Indiegala is tagged DRM-free Game, but
- [PC] FREE - DRM-free - Grand Pigeon's Duty - Indiegala is not tagged amongst many, and
- [PC] DRM-Free - Land It Rocket - Indiegala is incorrectly tagged as Steam Game.
Just as much as you disagreed with PUs' & Mods' edits of your posts (most of us have given up on fixing them), I have to disagree with your reasoning and insistence on adding DRM-free to my title. Also, I don't see you making the same request of Being Askhole who didn't even once mention DRM-free in his post.
@alvian: I have not made any request to Being Askhole - certainly not in any recent times if ever. Could you maybe elaborate on this in a PM.
Plus, I start typing in the tag field and then it auto-completes - that is what I accept. Maybe if the tag system would be consistent and there would not be so many different variations there it would be easier. For example, I remember being told by a mod that the name of the game does NOT belong in the tag (as it is already in the title) yet some mods put exactly that in the tags.
There are many things here that make things more complex than they need to be (for example, if a website has $US price, also putting the AUD price - this differs for people depending on payment methods, credit card used etc. I think everyone one here can be and should be expected to convert prices for themselves - other forums, most notably Reddit, seems to be doing okay with that).As regards the fixing, given the ranking of PUs in relation to how many edits are done, I think this is responsible for many unnecessary, petty edits (which stifle the little bit of user creativity left and also make some users simply not post anymore) made to increase edit count and be on top at the end of the month in the statistics. Do remember, it is the users and in particular those users that contribute by posting deals, that make this website successful and make it money.
And to clarify: as in my original comment all I asked for was to add "DRM-free" in the title so people know without having to click into the post which platform the game was free on - everything else was hunky dory!
So, maybe for example:
[PC] Free Game (DRM-free download) - Merry Glade @ Indiegala (or)
[PC] Free Game (DRM-free) - Merry Glade @ Indiegala
I have not made any request to Being Askhole - certainly not in any recent times if ever. Could you maybe elaborate on this in a PM.
No need for a PM. I was simply pointing your inconsistency. You asked repeatedly that I add DRM-free to my title but you have not made the same request to BA, whose post lacked this information everywhere.
Maybe if the tag system would be consistent and there would not be so many different variations there it would be easier.
The tag system will never be consistent because of how it is implemented now. Any new tag is automatically and instantly created, without undergoing even the most basic of checks, and periodically some mod would weed out the bad tags from the list. The auto-fill is a naive alphabetical partial match against the current list of tags.
I remember being told by a mod that the name of the game does NOT belong in the tag (as it is already in the title) yet some mods put exactly that in the tags.
I am not privy to your correspondence with Mods, but the current situation is to add the name of the game as a tag so that a Related Product link can be displayed. The Related Product is manually associated by a Mod, so not every game will trigger a link. Selected tags will also trigger other tags to be auto-filled, and once again these are manually managed by a Mod. For example, entering the tag AVG Internet Security will trigger the related product and the association Antivirus Software. The whole tag system is one massive tiresome manual job for the Mod team.
As regards the fixing, given the ranking of PUs in relation to how many edits are done, I think this is responsible for many unnecessary, petty edits
I can tell you that no PU has ever looked upon the edit count as a competition, but occasionally we do quote it in jokes. Your opinion that we edit unnecessarily so as to climb up the "monthly ranking" is wrong and I am disappointed that this is what you think of us and our edits. We edit when the posts needed editing and we edit when we have spare time. I just happened to have more than the other PUs.
I admit the qualities of our edits vary from person to person and from time to time, but we are supposed to followed the guidelines and definitely not our whims. When we encounter uncertainties we are supposed to ask the Mod team for help and we do it via reports, PMs, and the private TWAM and PU forums. I do not have any number to back up this claim, but I feel a lot of these "petty edits" that you referred to are to correct punctuations, capitalisations and spacing.
The title guidelines is ambiguous as to whether DRM-free needed to be specified. I feel (as an OP, not as a PU) it is unnecessary but you feel otherwise, and so I encourage you to report this post to the Mod team for adjudication.
And to be pedantic, practically none of your posts for games have the word Game in the titles. If you want to be helpful to OzBargainers then perhaps you should start using this very important noun?
@alvian: I have not seen any post by BA - if I had I would have made the same request there - I am fair and do not discriminate.
So, if I understand correctly if I make a post for Borderlands 3 the tag "Borderlands 3" should go in the tags along with PC game, Epic Store. Is that correct?
Regarding the editing my comment was not directed at you personally at all. I just think there should not be a ranking in order to not have an incentive for unnecessary edits or even create such appearance (even if it is not the case) - this is maybe where my law background comes through where even if the appearance of a bias exists one needs to step back from a case as a judge or magistrate, or even a lawyer.
I do not like reporting unless necessary. I feel it was and is much better to communicate with you directly. Also, as previously mentioned, I am more than okay to leave the post as it is if that is how you feel - you are the OP and this is your creative decision and I respect that - I certainly hope that the website also respects other people's creativity as well as long as say product, price, and store are in the title.
As regards the game tag, there is a balance - if I write [PC] Steam this makes it clear we are talking about a game (or maybe some software) - the target audience for that post knows what it is and that is what matters.
I would say I was the target audience for your post and yet I was unclear about the platform just looking at the title. However, as I said, I respect your creative freedom and it's all good as long as there is reciprocity for everyone.The "petty" edits would be things like correcting things that are correct according to the English language but might not conform to some made up rules or things that are just a personal preference and as such are an expression of the poster's creative freedom such as the overuse of @ (which is terrible).
But all good. Than you for the civil discussion which is much appreciated.
I wish you a lovely night and thank you for posting the deal.if I make a post for Borderlands 3 the tag "Borderlands 3" should go in the tags along with PC game, Epic Store. Is that correct?
If purchased direct from Epic, then the tags should be: Borderlands 3, PC Game. You can add Epic Games if you want but the store association is automatically generated anyway.
If purchased from third party like your post here, then the tags should be: Borderlands 3, PC Game, Epic Games. A store association was automatically generated for Voidu.
Epic Games is preferred over Epic Store. You can see a mod has created a brand tag for Epic Games but not one for Epic Store.
[PC] Steam
The title tag filter feature has been available for less than 6 months and we are all feeling our ways around the feature (Mods included). For the filter to work you need to put Steam inside the square brackets in your post titles. The way to write is this: [PC, Steam]…, [PC, Mac, Steam]…, etc. This was why I proposed putting DRM-free inside rather than outside the square brackets in titles, should the mods deem it necessary.
To prioritise displaying deals for Steam games, go to My Account - edit - deals (← this link specially crafted for you), add Steam as a title tag and move the slider towards more.
I was the target audience for your post and yet I was unclear about the platform just looking at the title
I get what you mean, and I would probably emphasise DRM-free in the title too if I have to pay for the product. But since this is a free game so what does it matter which platform you get it on? If IG is offering a free Steam key, my title would have been [PC, Steam] Free Game Key - Merry Glade @ Indiegala, wouldn't it?
I think our disagreement stemmed not from whether DRM-free should be in the title, but from the lack of a good descriptor for a free download. You want to see a client/platform but there isn't one, and I don't see DRM-free as an appropriate substitute.
the overuse of @
I don't know who first came up with @ to separate the merchant from the product, but it was already in widespread use before I became a PU. The other PUs and Mods are extremely reluctant to change an established convention and I have to follow the majority view. You have no idea how many times I advocated correcting other title inconsistencies but were ignored.
Lastly, will you be adding and correcting these tags? Now that I noticed the omissions and the mistake, the PU in me want to correct them. Can't let nobody beat my edit count! :-)
@alvian: I added "DRM-free" in the tags for Grand Pigeon's duty although it does not seem to show (maybe have to wait a few minutes?)
I cannot edit Land It Rocket anymore, so please remove the Steam tag there.
The third game you mentioned was correctly tagged as you stated.
If my opinion counts for anything (and going by previous TWAMs it does not) the title tag is bad and just looks "ugly", too "crowded" and "overburdened". It reads much better as has been done, namely [Gaming Platform] Platform - Game name - Price - Store as a basic. Surely, any search facility could search for that although given the other tags a title tag is unnecessary.
If any filter for operating systems is introduced it should be separate, maybe along with the normal tags.
[PC] means personal computer as opposed to PS4 and Xbox and Nintendo. PC is not equal to Windows. A PC can run Windows, Linux, Mac, and even DOS, depending on the machine, and age. I know the "young" crowd is not too precise with terminology which is pretty bad for a lot of things and I very strongly feel about not encouraging this laxness in use of terminology and correct spelling and grammar.
I know this is "off - topic" and maybe pedantic but I (and the rest of the people in my office or family) almost suffer a nervous breakdown when people here still mix up "bought" and "brought", write "payed" instead of "paid", and now the winner: use "would of" when really it should be "would have".Thanks for the link but I am happy with separating deals myself - just from my own experience there are always people who wine and complain about this and really spoil any fun contributing to this website.
Re the @: I think this is to be left up to the OP's creative freedom and expression. Plus, when I have shown the website to older people who have difficulty with computer stuff anyway, they get really confused about that as traditionally @ is used in e-mails rather than in titles. For me this means if Ozbargain is to be more accessible and comprehensible to a wider, older audience this might be a consideration.
Thank you for the discussion - I will try to put the right tags in the tag section. Hopefully, some creative freedom can be retained in other areas.
Just one final thing: while I understand that a mod has created the brand tag, technically this is confusing and in my humble opinion wrong as Epic Games and the Epic Store are two separate entities - true, they are connected but they are not one and the same and the games are bought from the Epic Store and not Epic Games. The Epic Store sells games made by Epic Games but not all games the Epic Store sells are made by Epic Games - this could cause severe confusion.
So if one wants to be correct the tag should be for Epic Store. Otherwise, a PS4 deal might as well be labelled Sony as that is who owns the Playstation Store (and its logo does show in the upper right corner).Have a great night and thank you for your insight and the explanations.
I added "DRM-free" in the tags for Grand Pigeon's duty although it does not seem to show (maybe have to wait a few minutes?)
Something went wrong on your end and you made an edit without changes. Edits are instant on the server and is up to the web browser's cache retention policy on the client.
I cannot edit Land It Rocket anymore, so please remove the Steam tag there.
Something again is wrong on your end. PUs do not have additional editing privileges than the OP, so if I can edit it (and I could and I did) then so can you.
title tag is bad and just looks "ugly", too "crowded" and "overburdened"
I agree with you but that's the way it is designed, and as a PU I have to edit posts that way.
A PC can run Windows, Linux, Mac, and even DOS
Epic Games and the Epic Store are two separate entitiesYes, there are general confusions and ambiguities with tags, labels, styles, names and merchants and you have pointed out two out of many examples. It is not the first time and it will not be the last time.
traditionally @ is used in e-mails
I think our particular usage of @ originated with Twitter. The key to understand the @ symbol is to read it as the preposition at.
… laxness in use of terminology and correct spelling and grammar.
… suffer a nervous breakdown when people here still mix up "bought" and "brought", write "payed" instead of "paid", and now the winner: use "would of" when really it should be "would have".
… there are always people who wine and complain about this…Perhaps you too should not have overconsumed whine and then written a comment about spelling at 3AM? :-)
@alvian: I do not drink at all (and never have) so the I reckon this typo definitely shows me I need to get a new laptop keyboard - this one drives me insane with the key registrations or rather lack thereof (and not, this is not an excuse - it is evidenced by how often I have to make corrections within seconds of posting as a letter has not registered or the Shift button got stuck).
I am not sure if it was wrong at my end or not - I do not have the issue with Whirlpool or Reddit but as long as it is done that is fine. The next time I take a screenshot when the edit command is missing from a post for me.
Have a great day.
P.S.: If @ is the same as "at" I should be able to write "at" instead, shouldn't I? ;-)
If @ is the same as "at" I should be able to write "at" instead, shouldn't I?
You absolutely can but whether it will be edited is another matter. These just came up and we can watch if they get changed.
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You have a good day too!
@Lysander: The Blueberries "at" ALDI lasted 1 hour 38 minutes (changed by PU) and the JAX Tyres' Pirelli lasted 1 hour 43 minutes (changed by Mod). These edits demonstrated our extreme reluctance to change; someone will edit to make the posts conform to the convention.
@alvian: So, one could say Ozbargain mirrors the government. Reluctance to change, stifling creativity, nannying, somewhat dictatorial, little regard and tolerance for the people who keep the place running, sticking to things that make no sense, no freedom of expression etc.
Pretty sad but if one thinks about it it is true.
The above description could be the Australian government but could also be this website.
If they only knew how costly this is.
But hey, thanks anyway. Have a great evening.
Is it on Steam? Origin/ Epic?
Please put that info in title.