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2 for 1 Beyond Burgers (Buy One, Get One Free) @ Grill'd for Mondays in September

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2 for 1 Beyond Burgers (Buy One, Get One Free) @ Grill'd for Mondays in September
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danyool on 03/09/2019 - 20:49 grilld.com.au (7610 clicks)
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No code, no secret password, order a Beyond Burger on participating Meat Free Mondays and we’ll double it. No questions asked.

*Valid at Grill’d restaurants. Dine in only; not available for takeaway, via online ordering or Uber Eats. Offer limited to one per customer. Offer includes one (1) Free Beyond Burger with the purchase of a Beyond Burger. Free burger must be of equal or lesser value. Beyond Burger range includes; Beyond Simply Grill’d, Beyond Garden Goodness, Beyond Chipotle, Beyond Crispy Bacon & Cheese, Beyond Garden Goodness Vegan, Beyond Simply Grill’d Vegan. Additional toppings at extra cost. Not valid with any other offer.

Offer valid on selected Mondays only;
Monday 9 September 2019, Monday 16 September 2019, Monday 23 September 2019 and Monday 30 September 2019. (Assuming they mean 30th - but on their website it's listed as 20th September)

Caution - it might skew the results for this poll!

And oh no - we've gone and made it the Year of the Vegan
https://worldin2019.economist.com/theyearofthevegan

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  • FSTB on 03/09/2019 - 21:03
    -6

    I was interested until I saw that this doesn't include the full flavour (meat) range of burgers.

    • Joey Jo Jo on 03/09/2019 - 23:34
      +11

      Promoting the imitation meat and cheese burgers as the the burgers made with the real stuff have no issues selling

      • sk3iron on 04/09/2019 - 00:52
        +26

        Wow the militant vegans downvote with a vengeance, have at it whilst I enjoy a real burger elsewhere.

        • [Deactivated] on 09/09/2019 - 08:02
          +10

          wow the militant assumption maker sure makes some bad comments

      • onlinepred on 04/09/2019 - 08:14
        +14

        Too many stupid people are worried they become vegetarian by trying to promote health and look after the environment

          • onlinepred on 04/09/2019 - 09:52
            +20

            @Joey Jo Jo: I didn't know eating a plant based burger makes you a vegan. Also majority of people have no clue what a normal diet is, hence why most people are overweight and have high cholesterol, so perhaps focus your energy on them rather than worrying what health/environment conscious people are eating. How often do you hear people dying from heart attacks, high colesterol - compare that to how many people die from not eating meat.

              • onlinepred on 04/09/2019 - 10:06
                +33

                @Joey Jo Jo: ROFL, the patty is plant based, the burger isn't LOL. Also eating a single plant based patty doesn't make you vegan. Also mate please dont' be an ignorant old person, do research, talk to people who have a vegan diet and ask them questions, don't sit on your high horse thinking you know everything. Most people have no clue what a balanced diet is and require supplements but don't know this. Most people also take supplements when they don't even need them. Save your energy, educate yourself, and be more supportive of people making environmental/health choices. And go try the burger, I'm not a vegetarian/vegan, I'm just trying to eat healthy and look after the environment, and this burger is so great!

                • Joey Jo Jo on 04/09/2019 - 10:57
                  -6

                  @onlinepred: I agree, many people and especially vegans need to take supplements because of poor diet

                  • onlinepred on 04/09/2019 - 10:58
                    +13

                    @Joey Jo Jo: Or they just eat other foods instead of supplements. Have 2 vegans in my family, and they have a much better diet than most people, probably better than yours, and guess what - they have no supplements. OMG.

                    "With good planning and an understanding of what makes up a healthy, balanced vegetarian and vegan diet, you can get all the nutrients your body needs to be healthy without the need for supplements.

                    However, if your diet isn't planned properly, you could miss out on essential nutrients. Vegetarians need to make sure they get enough iron and vitamin B12, and vegans enough calcium, iron and vitamin B12. Women are thought to be at particular risk of iron deficiency, including those on a vegetarian or vegan diet.

                    Some groups are advised to take vitamin supplements, regardless of whether they follow a vegetarian or vegan diet. For more information, see:"

                    https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/vegetarian-and-vegan-d…

                      • onlinepred on 04/09/2019 - 11:11
                        +11

                        @Joey Jo Jo: All diets come with warnings lol. Where have you been? Clearly you aren't evolving anymore…. so no need for meat haha. Luckily we have evolved, and we can make our own food and cultivate many plant based foods that offer the same nutrients while being healthier and mostly more sustainable. There will always be relics who think they need processed red meat, of which comes many more health warnings.

                        • Joey Jo Jo on 04/09/2019 - 11:21
                          -2

                          @onlinepred: Pfft, need PROCESSED red meat? No one argues that. Wow, and you accuse others of failing evolution. LMFAO

                          • onlinepred on 04/09/2019 - 11:30
                            +4

                            @Joey Jo Jo: This burger is in place of eating a processed red meat burger. What is your problem. Can you read? Are you okay? Or do you think Grill'd serves a grass fed steak on a burger? They don't fyi, it's either chicken or processed meats grilled. Just so you know, these patties are a substitute for RED PROCESSED MEAT.

                            • Joey Jo Jo on 04/09/2019 - 11:44

                              @onlinepred: I can clearly read as I laughed so hard I fell off my chair when I read that you wrote relics believe we need PROCESSED red meat. Grill'd burgers taste good but are not healthy. A good non processed quality slice of steak once a week is very healthy. Eating fresh fish grilled or baked with a side of plants is exceptionally healthy. There are good fats and oils found in quality animal cuts that vegans would need to spend 5 times the hours sourcing or require supplements to find their required fix.

                              LMAOOO PrOcEsSeD rEd mEaT iS bAd So AlL mEaT iS bAd

                              • onlinepred on 04/09/2019 - 12:09
                                +2

                                @Joey Jo Jo: Glad you are enjoying yourself though lol. Never said anything about all meats are bad. Anyway glad you find your ignorance funny haha! Relics hey.

                                • Joey Jo Jo on 04/09/2019 - 12:13
                                  +2

                                  @onlinepred: Ignorance would be trying to blur the line between unhealthy commericalised processed fastfood meats into the same catagory as fresh healthy natural quality cuts of meat.

                                  • onlinepred on 04/09/2019 - 12:22
                                    +1

                                    @Joey Jo Jo: Sorry to burst your bubble, but they are processing the meats well before they get to grilld, you do know what a steak looks like right? Is that what the patty looks like?

                                    • Joey Jo Jo on 04/09/2019 - 12:26
                                      +3

                                      @onlinepred: Exactly right. A processed meat patty from Grill'd is most likely not healthy. A good quality steak from a healthy cow in moderation is very good for humans. I am struggling to get a grip around your inability to understand this.

                                      • onlinepred on 04/09/2019 - 12:39

                                        @Joey Jo Jo: It's exactly what I said, can you not read or comprehend? This is replacing meat patties, not steaks. Ugh anyway good luck mate.

                                        • Joey Jo Jo on 04/09/2019 - 12:45
                                          +2

                                          @onlinepred: I see what you're doing. Arguing for the sake of it, being proved wrong and then trying to convince yourself you are right on a technicality.

                                          • onlinepred on 04/09/2019 - 13:00

                                            @Joey Jo Jo: Huh? Seems the only one arguing for the sake of it is you? You don't know what the human body needs, you don't know about diets, you don't know why people need to take supplements, you don't know what a normal diet is or what it consists of. Red meat grilled is classed as a carcinogen, it has been directly linked over and over to increased risk of heart disease and cancer, we know this, this is fact. By red meat I don't mean fish or chicken as you assumed I did.

                                            Here is the patty that is apparently 100% beef:
                                            Beef mince, relish (diced tomato (50%), Sugar, Onions, Vinegar, Tomato Paste, Herbs and Spices, Salt, Thickener (1422), Food Acid (330), Firming agent (309), Salt, Parsley).

                                            What about their bacon?
                                            Bacon
                                            Pork (94%), Salt, Water, Mineral salts (451, 450), Sugar, Dextrose, Antioxidant (316), Preservative (250), Natural wood smoke

                                            Maccas patty:
                                            Beef (100%)

                                            • Aarent on 09/09/2019 - 13:18
                                              +1

                                              @onlinepred: DUN DUN DUNNNN!!! plot twist, @joey jo-jo is a certified nutritionist and personal trainer. XD

                                              • onlinepred on 09/09/2019 - 14:37

                                                @Aarent: Haha, is that why he says having a meat only diet is better than a vegetarian diet haha ;-)

                      • kbo5000 on 09/09/2019 - 08:13
                        +2

                        @Joey Jo Jo: Since when did the word 'vegan' have anything to do with health or the environment? Vegan is not a diet. It is an ethical stance - a practical position on non-participation in unecessary cruelty to others.

                  • LikeMike on 23/09/2019 - 12:38

                    @Joey Jo Jo: More false blanket statements about vegans and supplements? It's only RAW vegans that need to get vitamin B12 from a supplement. The average vegan that cooks and eats processed food gets their vitamin B12 as an additive that's in many breakfast cereals or plant based milk. So, to correct you, it's only ONE supplement that raw vegans need to take, not "supplements" as you say. You'll find most vegans actually have a much better diet than the average aussie. PS, I'm not a vegan, I just don't consume bullshit.

              • magic8ballgag on 04/09/2019 - 10:31
                +5

                @Joey Jo Jo: Why are you assuming that those that would eat this burger only eat plant based foods?

                • Joey Jo Jo on 04/09/2019 - 10:55
                  +1

                  @magic8ballgag: I never assumed that.

                  • magic8ballgag on 04/09/2019 - 11:47

                    @Joey Jo Jo: You were the first to mention the word vegan on this deal, which has no place as the burger on offer is not vegan.

                    • Joey Jo Jo on 04/09/2019 - 12:03
                      +1

                      @magic8ballgag: I'm sorry, I didn't realise the Beyond Burger vegan patty isn't vegan.

                      Grill'd serve vegan bread; Traditional, Panini or Gluten Free bun. They have more vegan bread as standard than they do non-vegan.

                      I doubt that anymore than 5% of the vegan patties sold would have customers choosing the low carb non-vegan bread and adding dairy cheese or sour cream and the likes to them.

                      • magic8ballgag on 04/09/2019 - 12:13

                        @Joey Jo Jo: No one said it wasn't, and regardless of what Grill'd offer, it still doesn't make this burger 'vegan'.

                        • Joey Jo Jo on 04/09/2019 - 12:17
                          +4

                          @magic8ballgag: Literally your comment I was replying to;

                          '@Joey Jo Jo: You were the first to mention the word vegan on this deal, which has no place as the burger on offer is not vegan.'

                        • Joey Jo Jo on 04/09/2019 - 12:19
                          +4

                          @magic8ballgag: What exactly makes this vegan burger not vegan if the patty is vegan bread is vegan and no dairy or other non vegan ingredients are added?

                          • magic8ballgag on 04/09/2019 - 12:37

                            @Joey Jo Jo: I'll raise you: what exactly makes this burger a vegan burger? From what I can see, only the patty is meat/dairy-free.

                            • Joey Jo Jo on 04/09/2019 - 12:47
                              +3

                              @magic8ballgag: I just informed you that the standard bread at Grill'd is vegan. So if the bread is vegan, the patty is vegan that sounds like a vegan burger to me.

                              Are you going to now argue that a small portion of people would add dairy products to the vegan bread and vegan patty burger?

                              • magic8ballgag on 04/09/2019 - 13:01

                                @Joey Jo Jo: You are the only person labeling it as such though. The burger is certainly not marketed as vegan, so why do it on their behalf?

                                • Joey Jo Jo on 04/09/2019 - 13:10
                                  +1

                                  @magic8ballgag: Lol, because if you market a vegan burger as vegan it doesn't sell.

                                  It's a vegan burger at the end of the day. If people add cheese and other dairy product to the vegan bread and vegan patty then it's no longer vegan. Most people who buy a burger with vegan bread and vegan patty are not going to add non vegan ingredients.

                                  • magic8ballgag on 04/09/2019 - 13:11
                                    +1

                                    @Joey Jo Jo:

                                    Lol, because if you market a vegan burger as vegan it doesn't sell.

                                    Well, we're all entitled to an opinion I guess.

                                    It's a vegan burger at the end of the day.

                                    It really isn't, people like you just try to label things in attempt to feel superior.

                                    At the end of the day, I didn't know the bun was 'vegan' before today, and it certainly wouldn't have changed my mind if it was actively marketed as such.

                                  • Bargain Bin on 19/09/2019 - 09:40
                                    +1

                                    @Joey Jo Jo: Ok Lorindor's comments are kinda stupid and somewhat illinformed but.

                                    Definitely not all vegan burgers… One of them has cheese and bacon in it.

                                    Sooooooo

                                    Chill

    • [Deactivated] on 09/09/2019 - 08:01
      +2

      as a vegan, i found the meat free burger to be far too meaty. won't try again

      • capslock janitor on 09/09/2019 - 11:23
        +1

        I like to use the term "meat analogue"

  • Scantu on 03/09/2019 - 21:16
    +24

    Noice thanks OP

    • danyool on 03/09/2019 - 23:45
      +3

      No worries!!

      • capslock janitor on 09/09/2019 - 11:23

        How much is the cheapest burger eligible? Not in meal?

    • Scantu on 03/09/2019 - 21:56
      +55

      Only when peoples precious feelings get involved… so ironic because coconut "milk" and peanut "butter" have been fine for yonks. Now that farmers are scared about their marketshare it's all of a sudden a massive problem and they're just trying make sure things are labelled properly.

        • Scantu on 03/09/2019 - 22:27
          +18

          Soy milk is never confused with cow's milk either. You point to one product that doesn't clearly state what it is on the front - what is the profit motive for a plant based meat company to trick meat eaters? Their market is people who don't want to eat meat, and will currently pay a premium for it as it's not cheaper to produce.

          I'd advise you to find a doctor that has up to date knowledge on dietary requirements as you can at worst get the same nutrition from plant diets and at best avoid the diseases that having large amounts of red meats brings about.

          • [Deactivated] on 04/09/2019 - 06:29
            -2

            @Scantu: You can't get the same nutrition from plant based diets and any doctor who thinks or says you can is not worth the paper their degree is printed on.

        • dan76n on 03/09/2019 - 22:29
          +22

          These products are being intentionally manufactured and marketed to deceive consumers.

          Sorry, so are you saying that Vitasoy is trying to trick people into thinking their soy milk is actually cow milk?
          Or are you saying that farmers are intentionally trying to deceive consumers by posting pictures of Cows and Chickens roaming freely in open green paddocks and living the life?

          • mathew42 on 03/09/2019 - 22:56
            -5

            @dan76n: I just looked at a couple of Vitasoy containers in the fridge. They are very clearly labelled in large text as Almond / Soy products.

            Beyond marketing is intended to deceive people into ordering a plant based product. My expectation is that we will see similar products entering the market.

            • fantombloo on 03/09/2019 - 23:53
              +1

              @mathew42: Notwithstanding Vitasoy here is peddled by Lion, a company that actually sells cow's milk first.

        • boretentsu on 03/09/2019 - 23:45
          +17

          These products are being intentionally manufactured and marketed to deceive consumers.

          That is hilarious. Their whole point is to establish that it is not meat. This is their selling point - that it is not meat.

          Specifically I thought they want to distinguish it from meat which, whether you agree or not, is building a reputation for a large ecological footprint/cost to the environment. And then there's the whole thing about killing animals for food which is a factor for some.

          • mathew42 on 04/09/2019 - 00:06
            -7

            @boretentsu:

            Their whole point is to establish that it is not meat. This is their selling point - that it is not meat.

            If this was true, then they wouldn't be using the term Beyond like a brand. Can you see the similarity between "Steggle's Chicken" and "Beyond Meat"? Now compare that with "VitaSoy Soy Milk", "VitaSoy ALmond Milk" or "Peanut Butter".

            For your argument to hold weight the name would need to be 'Beyond Plant-Based Meat' or similar.

            whole thing about killing animals for food which is a factor for some

            This reinforces my point. Activists will attempt to deceive people by substituting real meat for plant-based products misleading labelled as meat.

        • onlinepred on 04/09/2019 - 07:58
          -1

          Did you see your doctor on the 80s?

          • mathew42 on 04/09/2019 - 09:07
            -1

            @onlinepred:

            Did you see your doctor on the 80s?

            The scientific evidence for mental health being closely influenced by nutrition has only emerged in the past couple of decades.

            The doctor I consult is arguably one of the leading practitioners in nutritional medicine, is active in supporting non-meat eaters nutritionally and has significant clinical experience in successfully treating depression.

            • onlinepred on 04/09/2019 - 09:13

              @mathew42: None of this relates to meat at all. Red meat has more negative side affects than having slightly less protein in a day. Research is always finding new things and never is really set in stone. What we do know, is that most adults need around 50gms of protein in a day, if you have a basic healthy diet that doesn't include meat, you don't even need to to think about protein. This burger has nearly 30gms of protein fyi - and it's much healthier protein. Chuck in some pasta for dinner, some yoghurt or milk for breakfast and you are beyond the daily requirements for protein, and much healthier.

              It's why a balanced diet is far more important than focusing on a single thing like meat protein.

              • mathew42 on 04/09/2019 - 09:24
                +4

                @onlinepred:

                Red meat has more negative side affects than having slightly less protein in a day. Research is always finding new things and never is really set in stone.

                Recent research is suggesting that the biggest concern in diets is sugar intake, not fat. Cholesterol may also not be the major concern it once was.

                What we do know, is that most adults need around 50gms of protein in a day,

                You keep using the term protein as if all proteins are the same. As a vegetarian you should be aware that this is not the case. The amino-acids are completely different.

                • onlinepred on 04/09/2019 - 09:28
                  +3

                  @mathew42: I'm not a vegetarian, I am just an educated person. As you should know, cholesterol isn't a major concern like it used to be, but it's still a a concern that's much higher than worrying about protein intake.

                  https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you…

                  Just FYI, more people die from high cholesterol related health choices than they do a lack of protein. FYI.

                  The basics for you:

                  "Processed red meat was even more strongly linked to dying from cardiovascular disease—and in smaller amounts: every additional 1.5 ounce serving of processed red meat consumed each day (equivalent to one hot dog or two strips of bacon) was linked to a 20% increase in the risk of cardiovascular disease death.
                  Cutting back on red meat could save lives: the researchers estimated that if all the men and women in the study had reduced their total red and processed red meat intake to less than half a serving a day, one in ten cardiovascular disease deaths would have been prevented."

                  • mathew42 on 04/09/2019 - 09:33
                    -1

                    @onlinepred: The key word here is processed, not red meat. I actively avoid processed foods. It is highly probable that highly processed plant based foods also have similar negative health impacts.

                    • onlinepred on 04/09/2019 - 09:34
                      +4

                      @mathew42: Then why are you eating processed red meat burgers and hate the thought of having plant based burger?

                  • flamey on 04/09/2019 - 10:10
                    +2

                    @onlinepred: Though I don't agree with mathew42's stance about this being deceiving product marketing or some kind of attempt to "trick" people into buying plant based substitutes (and frankly I think that's a pretty strange concern), the idea that red meat is something to avoid or that it has any sort of adverse effect on cardiovascular health is a pretty outdated idea that doesn't seem to actually be true.

                    Attitudes are coming around on what causes heart disease and raised lipid levels, and it seems it isn't from animal protein and fat after all. To be perfectly honest, I thought our understanding of nutritional science had moved past that as a society - I hadn't even heard it brought up in years until very recently - and it's usually by vegans with an agenda.

                    That being said… nutrition is hard, man. There's so much conflicting evidence out there, so many myths, so many people with an agenda, others with an emotional attachment to their diet of choice. You've got studies seemingly confirming one thing, and others de-confirming it or finding no link whatsoever. I've seen people play the study linking game with each other and it leads absolutely nowhere - all sides will instantly dismiss each other with "but look who it was funded by!" etc. We live in a time where it's possible to find a study supporting or denouncing practically anything. To be frank, it can be absolutely exhausting.

                    • onlinepred on 04/09/2019 - 10:18
                      +2

                      @flamey: My mother being a nutritionist, I know how hard it is. We are constantly finding out new things constantly. There are many things that have stayed the same though, red meat has a direct link to increase risk of cancers and heart disease. That is where we have been, and where we are currently at. I eat red meat, I limit it significantly though. The reason they brought this up, was because people were eating red meat for 2/3 meals a day with it being over 60% of the actual diet (being that they had a huge steak, and small amount of vegetables on a plate).

                      Anyway I agree completely with everything you said, except the whole vegans emotional rant - which stands nearly all sides as evidence by this thread where people are so emotionally weak they have to rant against vegans/vegetarians or whatever diet they don't like - these are generally older people or people with a lack of education.

                      I agree, lets move past this stupid labeling, lets make sure everyone knows what a basic healthy diet is, and let them choose what they eat from there.

                    • SimBech on 09/09/2019 - 11:34
                      +2

                      @flamey: maybe not cardiovascular health but…

                      The World Health Organization has classified processed meats including ham, bacon, salami and frankfurts as a Group 1 carcinogen (known to cause cancer)

                      Red meat, such as beef, lamb and pork, has been classified as a Group 2A carcinogen which means it probably causes cancer.

                      "Did you know that eating more than 700 grams (raw weight) of red meat a week increases your risk of bowel cancer? Or that the risk of developing bowel cancer goes up 1.18 times for every 50 grams of processed meat eaten per day?"

                      source:
                      https://www.cancercouncil.com.au/1in3cancers/lifestyle-choic…

                      • flamey on 09/09/2019 - 12:47

                        @SimBech: The issue is far more complex than that and attitudes about this sort of thing are slowly coming around. It takes time to undo ideas/beliefs that have been deeply rooted in society since the 80s - I mean, go to your local supermarket and have a look around. You'll still see sugary treats and gingerbread men advertised as "99% fat free", and people will actually buy them thinking they're doing good for themselves. This kind of thing goes all the way up to health guidelines and attitudes coming from authorities. These ideas can take a looong time to be updated, and if you have a look around you'll find that a lot of these websites don't even agree with each other.

                        Anyway, consider the description of a group 2A carcinogen on that website - it says it "probably" causes cancer. The evidence is insufficient enough that they're literally dealing with probabilities. I guess I would ask - if the science behind it was sound, if the evidence was conclusive enough to actually pin red meat consumption to cancer risk - would there be any need to use words like "probably"?

                        The truth is, it's extremely difficult (maybe even impossible) to conduct long-term nutritional studies and come out with a conclusive result for this kind of thing. It's really, really hard.

                        There's a lot of info out there to wade through and I don't have the time nor the energy to dive into it much more than this in an ozbargain comment section, but just for one example, have a look at this site here, from the World Health Organisation: https://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/

                        "Eating red meat has not yet been established as a cause of cancer. However, if the reported associations were proven to be causal, the Global Burden of Disease Project has estimated that diets high in red meat could be responsible for 50 000 cancer deaths per year worldwide."

                        "The cancer risk related to the consumption of red meat is more difficult to estimate because the evidence that red meat causes cancer is not as strong. However, if the association of red meat and colorectal cancer were proven to be causal, data from the same studies suggest that the risk of colorectal cancer could increase by 17% for every 100 gram portion of red meat eaten daily."

                        Again, dealing with probabilities. They can't outright say whether it is or isn't the case, because we don't actually know whether it is the case.

                        It's a complex issue. Doctors can't even agree on this stuff, dietitians don't agree with each other either. Then there's the issue of sugar and whether that's a carcinogen too. Is switching red meat for carbohydrates actually worse? Could be. There's also some evidence and ideas floating around that eating a diet high in meat but low in carbohydrates could even prevent or starve cancer cells, since (from memory) they feed on glucose - in which case, a diet high in red meat and low in carbs could actually be one of the best ways to prevent cancer. There are so many ideas out there and they all seem to have convincing supporting evidence. It's difficult to know who or what to believe.

                        I did a deep-dive into this stuff a couple years back and honestly I found the whole thing to be absolutely exhausting. There's so much conflicting evidence out there in the world of nutrition that it's one of the few fields I'd almost be willing to call a pseudoscience.

      • HighAndDry on 04/09/2019 - 10:00
        -1

        so ironic because coconut "milk" and peanut "butter"

        Coconut milk is labelled "coconut milk", peanut butter is labelled "peanut butter". That's all people are asking for, not that they can't use the words "milk" or "butter" at all.

        • Scantu on 04/09/2019 - 10:01
          +5

          It's actually not what people are asking for because no non-dairy milk is called just Milk currently, so there is nothing to ask about.

          People just want to piss and moan.

          • HighAndDry on 04/09/2019 - 10:08

            @Scantu: Then maybe read more on the subject, because a bit of googling gives this example:

            https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2018-06-16/meaning-of-minc…

            The product is just called "Minced" and sold in the red meat mince section of the supermarket. If nothing else, truth in advertising rules would require that it states that it's not meat based in as large lettering as "Minced", if it's not explicitly part of the name itself, like "Almond Milk", or "Coconut butter", etc.

            • Scantu on 04/09/2019 - 10:11

              @HighAndDry: Since you started it with telling me what to do, I'll start my comment by telling you what to do in return: "Think about it a little harder"

              It is sold in the same section because it performs a similar function in terms of cooking.

              Minced is an adjective.

              It is clearly labeled "Plant Based" on the front of it.

              Boom, next, what else you got for me. PS Please provide a citation for your "rule" as I'm not sure what you're referring to.

              • HighAndDry on 04/09/2019 - 10:31
                +1

                @Scantu:

                It is sold in the same section because it performs a similar function in terms of cooking.

                Chicken performs a similar function to beef. It's sold under chicken, not beef.

                • Scantu on 04/09/2019 - 10:34

                  @HighAndDry: No it doesn't… what recipe can you substitute chicken for beef and not totally change the dish?

                  To be honest with you I'd rather it not be there as well I don't really want to look at dead shit, so let me tell you why it is their. I don't want it there, you don't want it there, so what's left is the fact that people who currently eat meat that are looking to cut down is a great market for the alternative meat providers. So I'd imagine that's why it's there. But the labeling is certainly not misleading.

                  • HighAndDry on 04/09/2019 - 10:39
                    -1

                    @Scantu:

                    No it doesn't… what recipe can you substitute chicken for beef and not totally change the dish?

                    Any recipe you could substitute non-meat "mince" for beef mince and do the same.

                    • Scantu on 04/09/2019 - 10:41

                      @HighAndDry: How inevitable you'd say that lol I almost put it in my last comment as my predicted response from you

      • Thinkscape on 09/09/2019 - 21:11

        Not feelings… Money $$$$

    • mathew42 on 03/09/2019 - 22:23
      +3

      For the -ve voters, would you be okay with deceptive labelling of products sourced from animals? For example a pine nut sausage that also includes pork?

      I respect your right to make choices even if I disagree with them. What I'm asking for the same right not be deceived into buying a product that is not what I intended to order.

      • Scantu on 03/09/2019 - 22:29
        +6

        Once again this is a total straw man. There are no deceptively labled products as I explained about it would actually be quite counterintuitive.

        It's also not exactly a fair reversal is it - you don't have a moral objection to eating pine nuts do you?

        • mathew42 on 03/09/2019 - 22:49
          -6

          I do have a nutrition based objection being served a plant based product when I expected it to be animal based with a different amino acid profile. The fact is the branding is clearly designed to deceive unaware consumers, which leads to a moral objection.

          • Scantu on 03/09/2019 - 23:01
            +2

            @mathew42: Let's pretend that your premise is correct for a second - if you're THAT into the minutia of your diet you'd be checking the label anyway. Furthermore you will get the same amino acids in a non-meat diet.

            And now - your premise is not correct. Plant meat producers would not even conceptually want to deceive people because that is not where their market is. You're yet to provide a single instance of this bs "deceptive advertising" claim.

            • mathew42 on 03/09/2019 - 23:35

              @Scantu: If Beyond meat weren't trying to deceive people then the fact it is plant based would be advertised at the same or greater intensity than meat, not in the fine-print.

              I'm not that into the minutia of my diet as I'm not a vegetarian and have consciously chosen to avoid the significant drawbacks and challenges of a vegetarian diet including the potential for malnutrition and mental health issues.

              You are welcome to make your dietary choices, but please also give me the same freedom through truth in labelling.

              • Scantu on 03/09/2019 - 23:40
                +1

                @mathew42: The labeling clearly indicates that it is a fake meat unless you cannot read. The Beyond meat package has "Plant Based" smacked in bright green across the front of it.

                I'd rather trust organisations such as the WHO with what is a sufficient diet, rather than outdated views held by people who haven't got the first clue about nutrition.

                I certainly don't need your permission to make dietary choices. It's great that they are labeled as plant based meats then isn't it! Save the whinging

                • mathew42 on 03/09/2019 - 23:55

                  @Scantu: My intent is not to restrict your dietary choices. I'm simply asking that terms in common use are not given multiple meanings.

                  The Beyond meat package has "Plant Based" smacked in bright green across the front of it

                  The Grill'd menu doesn't have the same labelling. If the heading was 'Beyond Plant Based Burger' then your argument would have merit.

                  • Scantu on 04/09/2019 - 00:00
                    +3

                    @mathew42: I just looked at the menu - The first thing it says, on every item that has a non-animal beef patty is "Plant Based Patty". You can't get any clearer than that.

                    Good job on dropping off the malnutrition-esque arguments - they aren't based in fact.

                    • mathew42 on 04/09/2019 - 00:14
                      -1

                      @Scantu: The heading for the section is "Beyond Meat", not "Beyond Plant Based Meat Substitute". If your argument was correct then this accurate labelling would increase sales significantly.

                      Good job on dropping off the malnutrition-esque arguments - they aren't based in fact.

                      WRONG If you are following a vegetarian diet and not aware of the risks then I suggest consulting with a nutritionist urgently.

                      Vegans have to be very careful about their diets to avoid becoming malnourished. I hope you would accept the Mayo Clinic is a reasonable reference for the challenges. Vitamin deficiencies can lead to mental health issues, including depression.

                      • Scantu on 04/09/2019 - 00:44
                        +2

                        @mathew42: You're clutching at threads there lol. It literally says for every burger it is plant based.

                        The same issues exist for meat based diets. It's misleading to label them as exclusive to one diet when they are actually just what happens if you eat poorly. Using bold doesn't make you more correct I'm afraid. You know you can't just link to websites to look authoritative right? The websites you link have anything to do with the points you're failing to make. Suggest all you like - you're still incorrect.

                      • Miss B on 04/09/2019 - 00:54
                        +11

                        @mathew42: Maybe get someone to go with you when you order food so you don't accidentally order something without animal products in it. We don't want you to end up with mental health issues from eating plant-based products.

                      • onlinepred on 04/09/2019 - 08:00
                        +1

                        @mathew42: You are severely misinformed that you sounds hilarious

                        • mathew42 on 04/09/2019 - 08:22
                          +1

                          @onlinepred:

                          You are severely misinformed that you sounds hilarious

                          If I'm misinformed about about the risks of a vegan diet as outlined by the Mayo Clinic and studies linking vitamin deficiency to depression, then I would appreciate the respect of at least providing peer reviewed studies that debunk the links I've posted.

                          The negative votes appear to coming from people who object to criticisms of their lifestyle choices and who want to impose those choices of others while hiding the risks.

                          • takezo on 04/09/2019 - 08:40
                            +1

                            @mathew42: I'm not vegan or vegetarian, but you're really clutching at straws here. Just give it up, as you ain't doing yourself any favors.

                          • surfsiren85 on 04/09/2019 - 08:44
                            +3

                            @mathew42: Mate, if you actually bothered to look at anything objectively and not just have a biased opinion that supports YOUR own agenda, you would see there are MANY peer review journal articles supporting the health benefits of a plant based diet. Here's just one of them: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26853923.
                            Also, any scientist worth their salt (I am one) knows that data can be skewed to represent whatever outcome they want, it all depends on who funds the study. The animal agriculture industry has billions of dollars to lose, vegans have nothing to gain financially by proving a plant based diet is healthier. ALL cholesterol comes from animal products, it is not found in plants. humans are the only animal to get heart disease which is our biggest killer. Think about that for a while perhaps :)
                            Everyone loves to call vegans snowflakes, but it would appear that carnists are incapable of scrolling on when they see a vegan product and need to throw an e-tanty. Do you see vegans complaining on the constant dominos/KFC etc. posts? I think not.

                            • mathew42 on 04/09/2019 - 08:51
                              +1

                              @surfsiren85:

                              peer review journal articles supporting the health benefits of a plant based diet.

                              I'm not suggesting that a person eating a meat free diet cannot be healthy. What I am stating is that if you remove meat from your diet that careful planning is required to gain the same nutrients from other sources. If you aren't reviewing your diet on a weekly basis then it is highly probable that nutritional deficiencies exist.

                              • surfsiren85 on 04/09/2019 - 09:01
                                +1

                                @mathew42: You clearly have very little knowledge of nutrition. Humans need the least amount of protein of any mammal and there is not a single nutrient found in meat that can't be obtained from a plant based diet. The only thing I take regularly is B12, and that is given to animals in supplement form anyway as it is no longer found naturally due to use of pesticides etc. I don't review my diet at all, and I can guarantee I am much healthier than most carnists. Show me a vegan ward in the hospital if we're all so nutrient deficient… because I can show you many filled with heart disease, diabetes and cancer riddled, meat-eating patients. Anyway, I must go… I'm growing weak from my lack of nutrients.

                              • onlinepred on 04/09/2019 - 09:10
                                +1

                                @mathew42: Removing other things from your diet like vegetables, fruits, carbs etc requires more "careful planning" than removing meat mate.

                                • mathew42 on 04/09/2019 - 09:28

                                  @onlinepred: Actually, the ancient Mongol diet suggests you can eat just meat, but I'm not going to advocate that.

                                  • onlinepred on 04/09/2019 - 09:30

                                    @mathew42: You should do this, move to Mongolia please. Then continue your work on the anti vegan/vegetarian cult you have.

                                    • mathew42 on 04/09/2019 - 09:37

                                      @onlinepred:

                                      Then continue your work on the anti vegan/vegetarian cult you have.

                                      Nothing I've said is anti vegan / vegetarian unless you consider highlighting the need to ensure your diet contains suitable replacements for the nutritional elements commonly found in a meat based diet.

                                      The question I would ask is why are you and other so insecure in your position that simply asking that plant based products are clearly labelled as such, not deceptively marketed?

                                      • onlinepred on 04/09/2019 - 09:39
                                        +1

                                        @mathew42: I'm just amazed by people like you who think everyone else knows nothing. I'm not vegetarian. I'm not stupid either. So I have no issue with this at all. I knew it was not meat, as I can read.

                                        • mathew42 on 04/09/2019 - 10:08
                                          -2

                                          @onlinepred:

                                          I'm not stupid either.

                                          Many people are. :-(

                                          I knew it was not meat, as I can read.

                                          Congratulations, but 'Beyond Meat' doesn't indicate that it is plant based.

      • [Deactivated] on 11/09/2019 - 08:30

        lol literally every product. This thing looks great… wait, it contains {not vegan thing}

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