General question, are you eating less meat than you were 12 months ago? My wife has started eating less, which means I have as well. Noticed more of the weekly shop has been heading to veggies and less into meat, now its mainly a pack of chicken a week between us. No big ethical reasons, just eating less.
Curious if this is a wider trend in your house as well?
I’m a gp with an interest in nutrition and can’t agree more with this comment.
Keto has so many problems in the long run. I’ve posted quite a few articles in a post above. You are looking at increased risks of diabetes, stroke, heart attacks and cancers.
And what if you eat mostly grilled fatty fish in keto, and limit processed, cured, or red meats?
@ozbjunkie: Gp with an interest in nutrition can’t answer that. All of the linked studies lump processed meats with all meats. Huge healthy person confounders in those datasets.
Keto = increased risk of diabetes is the funniest claim I’ve heard in a while. laughable when you consider that both the UK and American diabetes associations have recently included low carb as an acceptable treatment program for diabetics.
Gp with an interest in nutrition needs to stay on top of the latest research.
Keto = increased risk of diabetes is the funniest claim I’ve heard in a while.
"GP with an interest in nutrition". God protect us from @blergmonkeys.
@DonWilson: No doubt busy writing scripts for insulin. Worse thing you can do to your body. But how wonderful, you can keep eating that cake!
As someone who has tried all the diets and committed as hard as I can, the main one being the moderation/CICO diet, this is bullshit because some diets are easier to stick to that others. Putting it on willpower/effort is the cry of the person who doesn't care if people get better or not.
"Just don't have high blood sugar". Gee, thanks, you nailed it.
Same deal here, been over weight since I was 14, be damned if I didn’t try just about every diet in the last decade. Seen atleast a half dozen dieticians that all say different stuff, keto is the first diet to actually show real tangible results for me. Not 1kg per month but a couple kg a week. Shifted to carnivore and at the start I was knocking multiple kg a day, even now 4 months in and over 40kg down I am still losing a couple kg a week. Due to my monthly infusions I have been able to track my heart rate and blood pressure which have has gone from roughly 170/95 to 120/70 my resting heart rate is down from 90bpm to 58bpm, my Fitbit shows that I recover faster after exercise and my sleep is less interrupted. I fall asleep faster and wake up easier and I don’t actually get hungry anymore, When I do a extended fast and push past the initial hunger on the 2nd day I have to force myself to end the fast, getting to 5 days is easy.
Once I get down to the “right” weight I will shift back into a more veried diet, at this rate it’s looking like Christmas time at this point which is perfect. Considering I was expecting getting to 110kg by Christmas to be my original goal. Now 95kg seems obtainable by then, and all I can thank for that is meat. If I hit that goal that would be 67.7KG lost in just over 6 months, just for reference 67.7 kg is smack bang in the middle of the “Ideal” weight of the average woman according to the heartfoundation. In just over 6 months I would have burnt off the weight of another full grown human being.
Honestly crazy when you think of it like that.
@JustASmoothSkin: Yes. But “gp with an interest in nutrition” says you’re giving yourself increased risk of diabetes!!! Gp needs to consider the absolute risk ratio differences between a BMI of 40 v 20.
In all seriousness though. Well done. That’s a huge achievement.
I have been eating a lot less meat the last 12 months. I used to eat a lot of meat. Mostly pork but a lot of lamb as well. I think I ate it so often that I got sick of it and I hate that heavy feeling in my stomach after eating it. I've been sticking to lighter foods like salads, risotto etc and if I do eat meat its mixed into pasta rather than eating a steak.
Reduction is great! :D
I eat less meat but for no particular reason. I think I just got bored of eating the same thing everyday, so now I'll often choose a vege stir fry or curry just to eat something different. I have no desire to go full vegetarian though, I still enjoy meat
Before I get started - I expect downvotes, but would greatly prefer you tell me why I'm wrong below. I'm open to having my mind changed. Thanks!
Yes, I became vegetarian about 1.5 years ago, primarily for environmental reasons.
The logic for me was (a) I'm not a climate change denier and (b) science tells us that the meat industry is at least a contributor - maybe quite a big one.
Based on the above, I figured it was the right thing to do, and just had to overcome my urges to eat meat.
Personally, I would feel like a failure if my 'mind' (wanting to do the right thing) wasn't strong enough to overcome the urges of my body (wanting to eat tasty meat).
So for me it's kind of a control thing. I want to believe I am in control of my decisions, that I'm strong enough to force myself to do uncomfortable things.
Meat lovers argue "you can't tell me what to do", but my response is "your body is telling you what to do". The world is in serious trouble, but people won't even give up meat because their body is too attached to the pleasurable sensations enjoyed when eating it.
down voted. I didn't want to see your expectations turning into a disappointment.
ps. i have nothing against vegans
Yes, I became vegetarian about 1.5 years ago, primarily for environmental reasons.
You're not really there yet then if you take it seriously. Dairy is terrible for the environment - both for water use / pollution, and greenhouse gas emissions.
You do know they've only been recording temperatures for around 100 years. The Earth has been around for just a little bit longer! It could be cyclical just like we have seasons, only on a bigger scale. The way pollution is right now effects us and the trees, etc. Highly doubt it effects the weather. There's no proof of Global Warming, which has now been conveniently called Climate Change as both aspects are showing up.
Sorry, the scientists are pretty clear on the man made effects on the weather. It just takes looking at the data. We have been temperature further back than 100 years and, as the article says, things like ice cores allow them to see back much further.
https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
Google, read, listen to the experts. If we stuff the earth we have nowhere else to go.
oh, like the indonesian volcano that released more CO2 in 15 minutes than the previous 70 years of industrialisation?
As a side note, I find the term "claimate change denier" to be quite offensive, are you trying to make it sound like a hollocaust denier?
@weezlebub: I didn’t use the expression Climate Change Denier and, if I did, I would spell it correctly. However, there is plenty of proof on how human activity is affecting the climate. The volcanos affects are on top of what humans are doing. the data is indicating this is not cyclical; in fact what humans are doing is disrupting the current cycles. Go back, read the articles and comprehend.
@weezlebub: Your volcano claim is common and utterly wrong. Please look at evidence rather than believing everything you hear. https://skepticalscience.com/argument.php?p=5&t=301&&a=28
That's not proof! They even say it's not in the article, rather pointing out that it's likely it is because of us. Nothing in there that doesn't mean its cyclical. Why don't you do some research yourself and look into the earth changing every 20-24,000 years as it's an aeon. That also debates huge changes in the earth bringing polar shifts, ice ages, floods, storms,etc. From water damage on rocks throughout the world this had more evidence then your global warming crap bring caused by humans just by a few decades. You give me NASA theories as proof?!
@Whisper Quiet: Hey mate, I'm not going to convince you in an internet argument that anthropogenic climate change is a real thing, when you've successfully ignored an incredible amount of information, evidence and nearly the entirety of the scientific community.
Try to realise that what you believe is tantamount to a conspiracy theory, get off the old man blogs and start actually reading scientific publications.
Or their bodies actually need the B12, K2, D3, retinol, CLE, DHA and EPA only found in animal products ;)
Kinda makes sense that our physiology is far closer to an animals than a plants, so their products will supply far more of our own bodies needs!
Maybe the vegetarians/vegans are trying to consume so much plant matter that they turn into a plant so that they can convert all of that harmful plant food (carbon dioxide) into oxygen and carbon via photosynthesis :P
If your diet requires pills sprinkled on your foods (fortification) then there is something wrong. We need to eat meat, not grains.
I've been eating more meat primarily due to a type 2 diabetes diagnosis last year.
T2 is a problem of excessive blood sugar due to chronic and progressive insulin resistance. So I eat primarily things that don't increase blood sugar and trigger a minimal insulin response. Fat has a virtually non-existant response, protein has a small one, carbs have a big one. Meat is entirely fat and protein. So I mostly eat fatty meat.
Yep, reversed T2DM the same way ;)
See more of my details here if interested: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/475334#comment-7599168
I'm trying to gain muscle, so no
You can definitely reduce meat consumption and have a more plant based diet (or entirely plant based diet), and still be healthy :)
Vegan athletes:
https://www.google.com/search?q=vegan+athletes&rlz=1C1GCEV_e…
Vegan bodybuilders:
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GCEV_enAU840AU840&sxsrf…
*Not saying you have to be vegan, just saying that a more plant based diet can still allow you to get the gainz
not as much gains tho
why does OP care what I eat or if his wife approves of my eating habits ?
Something that the government doesnt want the public to be aware of because of the money it generates:
Red meat etc increase your risk of colon cancer. That's why western ccoommunitirs incidence is higher
Hence im cutting back my meat.
This is very well known especially in terms of processed meats. How worn is your tin foil hat?
it's very well thanks.
He asked how worn is your tinfoil hat not how well it's doing. Get some help.
Nope, In fact I am eating more meat then ever. Started a keto diet that evolved into a full blown carnivore diet and have that paired with OMAD. Have lost 42KG in 4 months and still get to go to bed with a full stomach.
Edit: Just thought I would add that I started at 162.7KG and am now down to 120.9KG, And since I "Carry my weight well" It looked like I weighed a lot less then I actually did. Less Paul Blart Mallcop, More Seth Rogen in Superbad.
42kgs is huge. Well done.
Thanks, It's been a effort to keep up but not long to go now.
A quick summary of your weekly diet please, I just started Keto.
@hey aj: My diet is pretty simple, I have dinner at 6PM. It usually contains a large egg, either 2 sausages, a steak, 2 lamb chops or half a chicken breast and some bacon or salami. I have a cup of Metamucil, 2 vitamin C tablets and a multi vitamin after, I also make a cheesecake every fortnight or so (This can be made Keto friendly with the use of almond meal as a base and artificial sweetener where sugar is usually used) and divide it up into 8 slices which I have as a desert every other day (If I am not in a fasting routine at the time. Every two weeks I also do a 48 hour fast, where I only drink water though I do add a pinch of ground up pink salt to my glasses every so often when fasting to keep my electrolytes up.
I currently don't go out of my way to do any exercise but do regularly play beat saber and when heading to the shops take my bike with my little front mount basket. So far my heart rate has dropped from around 90bps at rest to 55bps at rest and blood pressure is now "text book" according to the nurse that does my monthly infusions.
Once I get to 110KG I will start a gym routine, Reasons for not having started it yet is that I am lazy, I didn't want to screw my already poor joints and I was trying to atrophy my leg muscles which due to being both over 160KG and a FIFO labourer had rendered jeans a distant memory.
@hey aj: Just search for pretty much any cheesecake recipe, and swap the base and sugar. I prefer a non-baked vanilla cheesecake, And if I really feel like cheating a strawberry cut thinly on top is heavenly and not ultra packed with carbs so easy to sneak in once every couple of weeks.
Great work mate! Keep up the healthy diet!
Onya mate… That's sensational. Wish i could convince my many overweight friends to do same.
Nicely done! I am down 66kg in 9 months (163kg > 97kg) of carnivory + OMAD ;)
I posted more details about it here: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/475334#comment-7599168
Hit me up when you get to your "set point" (it's where you stop losing weight because your fat cells stop producing the hormone leptin)
Good Luck
That's a damn good job, and will certainly hit you up when that happens. What weight did you reach your set point at? Also how tall are you?
I am 179cm, hit my set point at 109kg (sat at that weight for 5 weeks until I could find some scientific research that showed what was going on with set point)!
The basic physiology is that when a fat cell is getting upwards of half full, that individual fat cell (and all others in the same situation) start releasing the hormone "Leptin" (not to be confused with the plant toxin Lectin!). Leptin signals to the brain "hey, we have plenty of energy onboard, you can start burning energy body wide" - so the brain signals body wide to ramp up metabolism. Like every "receptor" system in the body, an over-drive of a stimulant causes a "resistance" to build up (ie Insulin resistance from too much insulin, an opiod resistance from too much heroin/morphine, etc). So over a long period of time it takes more and more Leptin to keep metabolism high (and eventually it metabolism down regulates and an obese person stacks on more weight super easy)!
To combat any type of receptor "resistance", you need to go without the stimulant for a while (so you need to remain at that "set point" for a couple of weeks while your body goes without Leptin and the brain starts to become much less resistant to Leptin signaling)!
Once your Leptin resistance has "reset", you need to get your fat cells to start re-producing Leptin to start to ramp up your metabolic rate. Leptin production is extremely sensitive to carbohydrate! So guess what - CHEAT WEEK! You want to increase your carbs for a couple days to a week with the aim of putting on ~ 5kg (part of this will be water weight, it will only be ~ 2kg of fat)!
At the end of the CHEAT PERIOD you will have restored your Leptin sensitivity and restored your previously ramped up metabolism, at that point, just continue to do what you are doing :D
Keep up the good work, the benefits of being in ketosis far outweigh just weight loss (check this out):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sHgwxDHGYE
Good Luck,
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@7ekn00: Doesn't make sense to me that a couple days to a week of eating carbs will result in 2kg fat gain. How many calories are you planning to eat in this carby period?
@ozbjunkie: Some people are unlucky, if I eat a bowl of pasta I will carry that weight for a good couple days.
Eat a half a kilo of meat and will lose weight the following day, dunno why but according to my personal trainer everyone sits on a scale that goes from carbs to fats. Most people sit around the middle, I apparently seem to be hanging on the edge of the fat side and the second my body gets carbs it hides them like a squirrell hides nuts for winter.
Personally haven’t seen any studies to back his claim and was more then skeptical at the start but I would be lying if I said I don’t believe him now. He also told me to see a metabolic health specialist which was going to monitor my breath while I was both fasting and resting and apparently she could use that data to tell what my body was burning. Didn’t go because she wanted a few hundred bucks to do it and well I am on ozbargain.
Very good mate. Congrats on the great results! I really like the fact that meat makes you satiated for longer.
Remember to drink heaps of water daily to compensate! Don't regret later!
Have changed to mainly whole food plant based in the last 8 months, due to so much science showing it reduces chances of getting nearly every disease.
I started eating vegan after I learnt about the environmental impacts. That lasted 1 year, I eat vegetarian now and rarely eat dairy. My PCOS has gone away and I feel great physically and mentally about this choice :)
How do we know your vegan? 😂😂😂
Because when a question is posed they answer, or in the course of ordering their food it comes out. Although they actually said they're not vegan.
Your ruining my fun… I bet your very fun at parties.
Yes, we loosely follow the Mediterranean pyramid which recommends red meat about once a month, and chicken/fish a couple of times a week. Mainly for health reasons, large amounts of red/cured meats = significantly increased risk of bowel cancer. My husband and I have both lost family members to cancer and are trying our best to maintain our health. I'm also concerned about the environmental impacts of beef farming (especially after reading about why people were starting fires in the Amazon this week, I had no idea) but I'm hopeful that a general reduction in beef intake by the population could make it sustainable. I'm surprised that no one has tried cutting beef down into vegan burgers in kind of a mix to reduce the amount of meat required while still maintaining the taste. I've been vegetarian and vegan in the past but I've got too much on my plate these days to get that to work.
It's important though not to look at or demonise foods in isolation - it's really about the mix of food that you're getting. The current Australian dietitian guidelines recommend filling half your plate with vegetables, a quarter with a protein (either animal or vegetable) and a quarter with carbs. It's hard to pull off at lunchtime - and if you're not doing it at lunchtime as well as dinner then you're not getting enough vegetables, but we're not culturally set up to eat that way! It's also really important not to shame people who do things differently - what you eat is a journey that's with you for life and people eat what they need to eat for where they're at. Food and weight shaming has done nothing to help anyone over the last 30 years, people need to come to these decisions themselves.
Around 7 years ago started learning about food and cooking, significantly cut fast-food from my life.
After year of getting better at cooking great meals with my wife we started learning about nutrition in general.
Went vegetarian first, massive energy boost, constipation and other bowel problems went away, anxiety decreased, started running half-marathons around that time.
Year later went vegan, got rid of acne and other smaller health problems. Didn't look back.
So all that was "for me" and my health, and against inhumane treatment of animals.
Recently, amids the climate emergency, started learning about how factory farming and western eating habits (i.e. overconsumption of meat) is killing the ecosystem and is one of the biggest singular category of Co2 and methane emissions in the world (bigger than all transport with cars, planes etc. combined). Australia will be scorching, massive bush fires and unbearable heat this summer, and every single summer after that, because of how we're (profanity) up the planet. There's "natural disasters" happening every single week all around the world because of cascade effects. Not eating dead animal parts or breast milk is one of a few ways I'm trying to help the situation.
Lol more fun. How do we know your vegan? 😂😂😂
Definitely somewhat less meat than several years ago but no change in last 12 months.
I hope those nasty vegans have not affected you
I'm a former vegan and holy cow the vegans around the traps these days are enough to push anyone into hardcore carnivorism. They are absolutely effing nuts.
They are absolutely effing nuts
And they are eating them too :-)
Still eating less meat, but watching more meat and bbq videos on youtube.
I don't crave meat like I used to, and get full and satisfied easier on fresh vegetables. Lost 6kg since May this year, mostly due to going to the gym for an hour with a friend 3-4 times a week.
Trying to move to a carnivore only diet for health and environmental reasons, but vegetables are too damn tasty to give up altogether, especially tomatoes.
Tomatoes are a fruit, not a vegetable
big tomatoes are veggie, small tomatoes are fruit… i told my kids :)
fruit is a subset of vegetable matter, definitely not an animal.
Not according to the US Supreme court ruling of 1893
As someone who has always been a vocal opponent of vegetarians and vegans who wont STFU about their dietary choices, and as someone whose favourite food is most definitely steak, I cannot believe that I am saying that I have recently made the decision to cut down my meat intake, going meat-free two nights a week, and for several lunches. For many reasons:
1. Expense. Good meat just costs too much. Anyone else remember when rump steak was $11 a kilo at Woolies?
2. Health reasons. I've seen people die from bowel cancer. No thanks.
3. The environment. I can't turn a blind eye to the impact livestock farming has on the environment any more.
ps. Don't tell my vegan friends, I couldn't stand the smug looks on their faces.
Vegetarianism is associated with higher rates of bowel cancer.
Got some evidence there? A quick google seems to indicate the opposite, over and over again. https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/vegetarian-diet-linked-t…
See, your problem is you are using facts rather than just bald statements :).
My mistake, thought I read that the other day, but is was just no increased risk.
Harvard has been pumping out biased anti meat stuff forever
https://twitter.com/SBakerMD/status/926094728113872896
@md333: Haha…. yeah those hacks at Harvard have been bought off by the insidious “vegetable lobby” and their mountains of cash.
It’s just coincidence the Harvard studies come to the same conclusions as those of other international research groups… or maybe they have all been bought off?
…. there’s no telling how deep this conspiracy runs
@parsimonious one: I loved your reply. Yeah, Harvard is willing to sell its soul to the Vegetable lobby; they must have offered them smashed avocado for life. Damn my logical brain and siding with the scientific facts.
@try2bhelpful: Hell yeah I would sell my first born son for free avo for life, to bad I can’t have kids. Haha
hahahah nice one :)
But let me guess, you are still flying in Avocados from Brazil, USA, etc?
Good thing planes, ships and trucks don't have any affect on the environment, unlike pesky livestock that have been around on this earth since the dinosaurs (and haven't ruined it yet)!
Are you even aware to the amount of livestock on the planet today and how it compares to not too long ago? Are you aware of what it takes to feed that much livestock? Wake up dude.
LOL are you even aware what is involved in monocrop farming? All the rodents birds and wildlife poisoned, shot and electrocuted to protect your precious wheat from predators?
Livestock can be fed on grass - shock horror, and infact grass fed livestock are far more healthy for us and actually carbon friendly for the environment (their excrement actually fertilizes the soil and deposits the carbon and nutrients for your precious wheat crops) …
Your cowspiracy is based on one of Monsanto's factory farms and Monsanto is a major supplier of most of your agriculture products - so if you really wanted to help the poor animals you would be boycotting those corporations that put profits over animal welfare, but I bet you wont!!
Wake up dude ;)
@7ekn00: I actually do boycott these corporations to the best of my ability.
So you're saying that the only meat you consume is grass fed with no additives? Because there's no such beef in Australia to the best of my knowledge (our soil is all wrong).
Because there's no such beef in Australia to the best of my knowledge
My animal death footprint is one per year from: https://pariscreekbeef.com.au/
How many rodents, birds and wildlife were killed to protect your grain based breakfast this morning?
@7ekn00: Good on you for choosing an ethical way to consume meat (really).
I could nitpick and point out that that beef is almost surely not "100% grass fed" (it is given feed and supplements) but as you point out no method of eating would be 100% ethical unless self produced.
I just want to point out that I was just replying to your comment:
Good thing planes, ships and trucks don't have any affect on the environment, unlike pesky livestock that have been around on this earth since the dinosaurs (and haven't ruined it yet)!
In which it sounded like you were completely minimising the effects of mass produced livestock on the plant.
@7ekn00: Here you go, you brilliant fellow https://freefromharm.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/animalvi…
@manlol: No scientific publication referenced and no method section on how the chart data was generated (ie what numbers of field mice are killed per harvest and the source of that number, what percentage of that grain harvest is contributed to animals - as farmers in Australia say less than 30%, etc)!
It's no more than typical vegan propaganda ;)
@7ekn00: You may be expecting a bit much from a graph, but if you go to the address that it clearly displays you will find what you seek.
@manlol: Nah, I prefer to listen and learn from farmers that actually produce both grains and livestock:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZTq1zxCmyc
Never heard an actual farmer present any contrary information to that above ;)
The only counterpoints come from those pushing propaganda thinly masked as "science" with all sorts of "appeal to authority" (that are not actual farmers)
@7ekn00: Haha, doesn't that just say it all.
Next time, just start with "I ignore scientific evidence in favour of anecdotes from yobbos on YouTube"
@manlol: Yeah, dismiss a real farmer as having no clue, despite them actually having to make a living from these things ;)
I forgot that vegans must always have an appeal to authority argument, otherwise they are lost! It must come from some random "scientist" in their ivory towers taking money from the interested industries to be regarded as an authority on "farming" because real farmers have no clue about their own industry!
Next time, just say it as you look down your nose at the rest of humanity, lost without an appeal to authority that only you recognize.
PS. The plural of ancedote is data - Nelson W. Polsby PS, Vol. 17, No. 4. (Autumn, 1984), pp. 778-781. Pg. 779: Raymond Wolfinger’s brilliant aphorism “the plural of anecdote is data” never inspired a better or more skilled researcher.
@7ekn00: Nice. Maybe look up what an appeal to authority fallacy is before you start throwing around the accusation? Spoiler: It's not referencing scientific studies, but actually much more like what you are doing.
PS. "the plural of anecdote is very poor quality data" is a much more accurate sentiment. I'm sure you could find a YouTube video on this if you wish to understand why.
@manlol: Yeah I was working on a CBH site a few months back and got to watch 3 guys with shotguns firing birdshot at the birds trying to eat the stored grain, they would have got atleast a couple hundred birds in that one day. These guys were a “pest control” group and I can just imagine how many birds they get each season. Just big garbage bags loaded on the back of their truck full of them not to mention the casings and other plastic bits that we’re laying all around the site that I kept picking up.
@7ekn00: It's a good video and he raises some great points.
You mentioned Cowspiracy so I assume you've watched it (with an open mind obviously). There's a few farmers raising good points the other way in it too.
You seem to categorise the world into two categories of people: carnivores and vegans. But I think there are many categories, ranging in the full spectrum in between. No good ever comes out of a black and white world view IMO.
FWIW I don't substitute meat with grains. Most often they would be substituted with vegetables (i.e. not mono crops). I personally agree that typical vegan is an insane way to live, especially if you're doing it out of care to the earth. But less meat and more veggies are much more sustainable in my eyes.
PS I personally know a few farmers as well, and they are as diverse in their opinions as the people they feed 🙂
That's awesome!!! Reducing your impact is so important, and is quite easily achievable for most people in Oz. People don't need to go fully vegan to make a more positive change.
For all those that are eating less meat.. I'm Just taking up the slack and eating more than i ever have. Close enough to full carnivore these days and never felt better. Here's a list of all my ailments that are no longer an issue or at least vastly improved.
Type 1 Diabetes - Gone from injecting up 100 units plus per day of insulin to 5 or less. So many benefits to this as I am no longer yoyoing with blood sugars… they pretty much just stay the same all the time with no sugar spikes from eating shit which means no more hypos.
Chronic IBS - totally obliterated.. Ive had no issues for months… actually a year or more come to think of it. Normal stools are a beautiful thing.
Chronic joint issues and came within 2 days of having total hip replacement before getting cold feet and cancelling surgery - Now walking freely.
Sebborheic Dermatitis on scalp, face, ears etc..90% better.
Dont care for the plant based propaganda that's being pushed one bit. Good quality meat and lots of it heals aa far as im concerned.
Couldn't agree more due to a similar background and reclaiming of health :D
Its all mental.
All you needed to do is put the same effort of that diet, into a healthy diet, and you'd see the same or better results.
Keto isn't whats doing it, whats doing it is following a plan.