My first TA code from TechFast. Please note that TARYZEN basically gives you a $200 discount on any config of this system, so feel free to chop and change items. They were even kind enough to throw in a WiFi adapter at no extra charge. And delivered free anywhere in Australia. Seems like a pretty good deal to me. Enjoy :)
OK for gaming?
+1 I have successfully connected my PC to home wifi using a usb connected Galaxy S3. Handy when you can't find a lan cable but I wouldn't say it's a long term solution
Why not on the long term?
So cheap. The parts alone should cost more than this build.
Recurring Techfast theme. Where’s that plus vote at!
I wouldn't mind them just bundling the gpu and cpu as a deal
Me neither, but that would inevitably drive down their profit margins and reduce the appeal to a bigger audience who just want a PC, plus complicate everything more. This way, people like us can still get a deal, their margins stay higher, and others can buy and get a fully working system with minimal complication for Techfast.
If you are going to game, the Ryzen 5 3600 is an awesome processor for the price. I'd recommend go for RX 580 for $100 extra, it seems like a reasonable upgrade for the price.
Averages 10-15% more performance, depends on if you really need the extra boost. 10fps in most titles for $100. For 1080p gaming I’d say a 570 is fine.
Probably right, as the RX 570 is decent enough. I did check Witcher 3 differences and there was about 10fps improvements, which I consider to be a big deal. Especially if you ever want to plug in VR one day.
But yeah, it isn't necessary.
RX580 upgrade for $100… and for Witcher 3? I hope people doing that upgrade won't get Biostar RX 580, it is pretty loud.
Like I said in my comment,
10 fps for $100
10fps isn’t significant. This card will be able to push 100fps at most titles at 1080p and 60 at 1440p with settings down. It’s not worth spending $100 for a 10 fps improvement.
@Zazer: He picked witcher 3 for a reason. It is one of a small number of games that when gaming with Ultra settings, RX580 managed to gone past 60fps on average whereas RX570 couldn't quite reach 60fps according to one of the sites. But according Anandtech's review, neither RX570 and RX580 managed to reach 60fps @ 1080p Ultra - and the difference is 5fps. We haven't even looked at 1% low and 0.1% low figures. Those are what you will notice and get annoyed.
$100 for that? No point - I agree with you. VR is so much better on RX580? That's wishful thinking.
Honestly, with this offer, you really need to accept all those benchmark reviews (on faster, expensive RAMs) are just hype and the 5-7% diff is not worth it. A320 motherboard is good enough and USB 3.0 is good enough for you (USB 3.1 gen2 devices are expensive and none of them actually maxed out the bandwidth - you want fast transfer - go Thunderbolt 3). Also, make sure you don't have the need for 256GB SSD. As soon as you start to take on the upgrade options, the deal becomes far less attractive.
@Major Mess: Make sure you get the X570 upgrade and another graphics card.
Honestly, just get a much better graphics card.
@netsurfer: ….and a B450 mobo and 16GB of faster ram. I was more being sarcastic about the crossfire - even then the frame rate is not that great.
@netsurfer: Yep. This offer, as much as it hurts to admit it, is a lot about compromise. You’re getting a good deal, yes, but you see where they extracted the value from it. If I were to get this I’d probably upgrade most the parts, which defeats the purpose of getting this in the first place. The RAM needs to be upgraded, SSD added, motherboard swapped, case changed, and power supply changed. But that just leaves the CPU and GPU. So I honestly don’t feel like I’d get it for myself anymore. Unless I wanted to game and didn’t have the money to buy all the parts in one go, this deal isn’t as attractive to me anymore. Initially it was, but now I’ve done my research and know which parts I’d want to change. This is good for those who just want to get into gaming and don’t really care too much about specifics. I think I digressed a bit, but $100 to upgrade to a 580 isn’t really worth it.
@Zazer: They should have used a Ryzen 5 1600 and made the price $200 cheaper. Using a 3600 in this build is just a waste of good silicon.
@Budju: So Ryzen 5 1600 would be a better pair to the RX570? (Along with the RAM and SSD option given?) Would performance be affected greatly by using a 1600 instead?
Also what would be the bare minimum GPU better suited to the 3600? Vega 56?
@aeoz: 1600 should be fine, but I'd go for a 2600 to be safe. Vega 56/1660 would be a good match for the 3600, but you should spend up on your GPU, not your CPU.
@aeoz: I'd probably suggest a navi 5700 or 5700xt, but that is in the context of gaming. Would not recommend a blower design though, if you did go navi wait till they release partner models (should be in the four weeks).
I believe that the 3600 is like $315 at most places. Nice deal.
Luke does this deal shit on the other 3 you pmd me?
Thank you for all the help.
Same cards, 17% CPU improvement but there is a price difference, so up to you to determine the level of on-poopage.
What would be a reasonable spec to start my foray into video editing? Somewhere around $900 mark?
What kind of video editing? 1080p? 4K? Long videos?
Do you plan to do that a lot or just casual? Casual, this will do. If you need to do video editing on a regular basis, you probably want faster CPU, GPU and more RAM.
Honestly, if you are asking the question, you are most likely planning casual editing.
Cheers for that. It is casual for now. Mainly doing highlights at 1080p of say family holidays or kids sports and activities. No 4k cameras yet.
This will do, but you will need a larger SSD and potentially a portable hard drive.
Backup your kids sports videos and photos somewhere else. Don't count on SSD for long term cold storage. My mate just gave me a faulty SD card and asked me to try to recover some data - 2/3 of the photos and videos are corrupted.
@netsurfer: Just had a closer look at the case. There's no provision to fit a 5.25" optical drive nor more 3.5" bays for HDDs I've accumulated which I'd like to use for backing up data. This case does not appear to be suitable for non-gamers I think.
Edit: I also have a microserver - with 10tb drives on the way for the main storage.
You should be thinking 4k tho. Most entry level cameras and more phones are starting to, now support it. 4k is also the default for TV's now, and keeping memories in 4k look so much better than 1080p. It is good enough to last for quite a while compared to 1080 in the digital age(But 8k will probably be the big long term resolution- which is a way off yet).
@Major Mess: 4K with this doesn't make sense due to the parts: 8GB RAM and 4GB graphics card. 128GB SSD.
4K editing needs a 4K or better monitor. People in this price range can't be serious about 4K editing. Also, any person really serious about 4K would be eyeing for the next Threadripper.
@netsurfer: "4K with this doesn't make sense due to the parts: 8GB RAM and 4GB graphics card. 128GB SSD." Exactly. The 128GB is not going to help much with 1080p either and I am sure lomie realises that. You can edit at a lower res, but having access to a 4k TV as well would be helpful. I wouldn't want to be editing even 1080p on a less than 1440p monitor tho.
@Major Mess: Yes the SSD will be swapped out. If the mobo has an NVMe slot, I've got a 1TB on the way.
Should have jumped on the Hisense 65" 4K for $788 yesterday.
@Major Mess: The deal has no monitor, but at this price point, it is feasible for someone to get a 1440p monitor, but I am "guessing" 4K monitor might be stretching their budget too much. Editing using 4K TV is technically possible, but how realistic is to have this PC next to the TV for a prolong period of time?
I was trying to point out certain pro video software do need more than 4GB VRAM if you want to do 4K. It's one thing to consume 4K media and another to actually work in 4K. Windows 10 display scaling on 4K resolution is getting better, but I still have apps which still don't scale right. For general work, I still prefer 1440p. To do proper 4K editing, you need a 5K or 6K monitor.
If you don’t know where to start then I’d recommend this system. It’ll kill for most video editing unless you’re doing 4k and it’s really heavy. Like netsurfer said it depends on what you’re doing and if you’re serious about it. Can always upgrade later, this is definitely a good foray to get started.
Cheers, If there was a bang for buck upgrade, which component gives the best performance? RAM or GPU?
Honestly mate that’s not really a straight answer unfortunately. For your use case, I’d say upgrading RAM to a 32GB kit of 3200mHz would be a better option, since you’re video editing. But if you are brave enough to buy the RAM outside of Techfast and put it in yourself (super easy, google “how to change RAM sticks”), then you can buy the kit for $259 instead of $300 through Techfast, and you can then put the $50 you saved toward upgrading the GPU one step to a 580 through Techfast, which costs $100. But I wouldn’t recommend upgrading the GPU unless you have spare cash since you won’t get much of a performance increase going from a 570 (in the deal) to a 580 (extra $100). You’re better off just upgrading the RAM, which will give you a significant boost, and then just going with that. Especially if you’re not gaming.
@Zazer: Thanks. Good info. I have no issues with upgrading the components myself. I have built my current PC myself a few years ago and currently have the case apart trying to work out why it wouldn't turn on. Have tried swapping out all the major components and figured it is suitably out of date and better to get a current spec when a deal comes out.
you'll definitely want to upgrade the RAM to Dual Channel configuration (i.e. two memory sticks), and at least total 16GB if you want to do other tasks while the videos are rendering
You want a discounted ryzen 2700 for the extra cores.
I've been looking at this machine.It's only got built-in graphics card but I'm not interested in gaming. Thoughts as to the better machine/buy. The Dell is $679.20 and includes windows 10 (The AMD machine is extra)
Ehhh. The Dell will be much slower because it has a hard drive. But the Techfast only has a 120GB SSD. I’d say for you to go with the Techfast and purchase an SSD upgrade if you need more storage, they’ll install it for you. Unless you don’t mind getting your hands dirty and changing parts yourself? Let me know
If you want to go for the Dell machine, you must change the hard drive to an SSD (at least 256GB SSD). But, once you customise it, it will not be $679.20. The wifi included in the Dell one is also disappointing. I would at least want wireless AC support (and preferably bluetooth 5). You do get a card reader, optical drive. But, only two USB 3.0 ports (they are at the front, which is kinda good).
Honestly, both have compromises, you get what you paid for. But, SSD makes a big difference.
I've already got a spare 256gb ssd and don't need wifi (got a google wifinext to my computer) but am disappointed with the 290w psu
You are good at opening Dell computer cases? I found them to be different to standard cases normally. Had to upgrade things for a family friend and it wasn't fun.
You can get a Ryzen 2200G PC at tech fast from $469 + $20 for grey market windows 10 key. Either that or wait for tech fast to get the 3300G.
Even better. :)
Got a 2600 and a 1660 ti for $737
but this is still an ok deal
Not only is that $50 more, the 3600 outperforms the 2600. The 1660 Ti is a much stronger card though, so I would say you got a good deal, but this isn’t too bad considering your one is no longer available.
It's $38 more. Yea the 3600 outperforms the 2600 but the 1660 ti is way better than the 570 and the GPU matters way more than the CPU
Code should be ARYSEN
call me biased, but i like it how it is :)
Ok, hi biased.
Are the GPU upgrades eg 1660 and 1660ti worth it for the prices of the upgrades?
Not really, once you start upgrading it starts to kill the value. Unless you really can’t build yourself, I’d recommend not to upgrade since you’ll have issues with cooling in this case anyway.
Yeah the only upgrade I'd personally get is the 240GB SSD for $29.
No, even that isn’t worth it. You can get a Crucial BX500 for $2 more which has a 3-year warranty instead of this unit’s one, and it’s also not a cheap generic brand which will fail and provide mediocre speeds.
Is the X570 for 299 a reasonable priced upgrade? Was looking at upping that and the ram to the 3200.
The reason im looking at these 2 is the mobo i dont want to have to touch for a long time, and the ryzens are meant to be quite affected by the ram speed.
These bring the price to ~1167. Seems decent.
Torn on the PSU (80+) and the gfx (rx580) upgrades, as that might be going overboard and may start to be not such good value. But im so out of touch with this stuff.
No, we have seen X570 for $250. That is the thing with the upgrades. They feel like you buy the parts but they don't deduct the existing parts removed.
I personally wouldn't bother with X570 on a budget build like this. B350 if you wanna overclock otherwise A320 is fine. You can always buy another budget mobo for $100 when it comes time to upgrade. Also wouldn't bother with the 3200 RAM as you'll only get around 5% better performance.
I also wouldn't upgrade PSU either as it's cheaper to buy a better one separately. I'd just use the one that comes with this until 12 month warranty is almost up and replace it then. RX580 is only around 10% faster than RX570 so not really worth the price difference.
The one thing I would upgrade is the SSD as 120GB is pitiful. I'd also probably get another 8GB 2400 RAM from somewhere else for $50 and a new graphics card every few years. Otherwise this build will last you a long time just how it is.
I don't know if you know but ryzen boosts out of the box, overclock isn't really required anymore. I doubt the a320 will perform well though.
Thanks for your run down man! Appreciate it.
No worries. I've come to realise you are probably best just buying a bigger SSD from somewhere else so you can make sure you get a reliable brand. Can get a 1TB Samsung 860 EVO for around $200.
Next will be Elitegroup ECS motherboards.
Great deal shame on the biostar board
can this run dota at 144fps with max settings.
will there be an option to purchase a pre-built PC without a GPU? i want to upgrade everything except my 1070.
Contact luketechfast to see if he can setup a custom package for you. You can send him a direct message. He is quite helpful, but from past experience, he only responds to OZB messages during business hours so you might not get a reply until Monday.
It will be a bit tricky for them because the CPU doesn't have an embedded GPU so they need to get a spare graphics card to set it up (they do install Windows 10 on the PC, but won't activate). It also means that you will need to install graphics card driver later. Depending on the card used, worst case is a complete re-install. I once changed a graphics card (both nVidia) and Windows blue screened and had to do a full install.
Hi netsurfer,
cheers for your reply. if this can be done i might just purchase a new SSD from them then put my M.2 drive in from my old setup.
Mate don't purchase an SSD from them. SSD's are cheaper to buy by themselves, plus you get a full 3-year industry warranty as opposed to Techfast's Allied 1-year build warranty. If you're not afraid to put an m.2 in then put in a 2.5" as well.
Their SSD upgrade prices are not cost effective as Zazer point out. However, I have one concern with what you wrote - the m.2 drive bit.
Without knowing the Biostar motherboard model, it is unsafe to assume it has a m.2 slot (in fact the specs didn't list it). I know A320M can have m.2, but board makers may elect not to include one. From my past Biostar experience (not good), I would be cynical about this. I would ask TechFast to check whether m.2 is there. You could get a PCIe x4 expansion card with m.2 slot(s) but you need to factor in the cost. But, even so, need to check BIOS will allow you to boot from PCIe x4 slot.
@netsurfer: I can confirm the A320 motherboard that Techfast uses does indeed not have an m.2 slot. They use this model - the A320MH.
@netsurfer: I dunno about the A320 board but the B350 my brother got on his tech fast ryzen has an m.2 slot: https://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en/mb/introduction.php?S_ID=9…
Tech Fast had a previous 2600 deal for $499 w/o graphics card. Hopefully they will do something similar for the 3600.
Lemme buy dat 1070 thanx!
Hey fellas. What would be a nice CPU, mobo, RAM combo? Already got the rest. It's just those three components I'm after. I'm thinking of starting with Ryzen 3600X or maybe an Intel i5 and what's next? Please be more specific with motherboard and RAM brand names. I want to use it mainly for gaming only. Thank you.
You need to be more specific. Basically, you have a graphics card, a case and a monitor. But, which graphics card and which monitor? What are your gaming requirements? What's your budget?
3600X and i5 are both dumb ideas. 3600 is a better buy and it beats i5-9600. 3600 is the best value for money - inc. gaming currently (unless you are not after current gen and can score a 2600 dirt cheap). If you must squeeze out every single frame and you mostly game in 1080p, and money is not an issue - then i7-9700K is the one to get. Get a Z390 motherboard you can afford (or it has the ports you like) and get DDR4-3600 RAM modules you can afford (if possible, with Samsung B-die or ones with low timing values).
Do you think the wraith stealth cooler is sufficient? Or should you always buy an aftermarket cooler?
With this bundle, you get an A320 motherboard, forget overclocking the CPU altogether. So, yes the wraith stealth cooler is sufficient. Besides, with DDR4-2400 RAM, you already opt for the most cost effective setup - i.e. you simply want Ryzen 3600's default raw performance and have no intention to push it further.
Thanks for the response. My graphics card is a Gigabyte 1660ti and my monitor is an LG 29" 1080P Ultrawide. My current CPU is an old i7-2600K. I don't really want to spend too much since I am more than happy and satisfied to be gaming in 1080. Budget around $600.
I see, so you just need CPU, MB, RAM.
Your current setup:
i7-2600K with 1660Ti
Roughly equivalent for Ryzen 3600 with that CPU:
i5-9600K with 1660Ti
Or, look at youTube videos for Ryzen 3600 with 1660Ti for the actual benchmark. You do get a decent boost and i7-2600K doesn't max out 1660Ti at 1080p Ultra. Are you able to DIY upgrade? If yes, the OZBer standard recommendation of B450 Tomahawk or B450 Mortar is decent (has BIOSFlash so you can do the BIOS flash yourself). DDR4-3200 RAM (HyperX Predator 2x8 kit - $149 from MSY but virtually no stock though) + Ryzen 3600. You could stretch to DDR4-3600 but the board might be picky on DDR4-3600 RAM modules. Tomahawk has 6 SATAs, 1 m.2. Mortar has 4 SATAs, 2 m.2 (and second m.2 when in used disabled the second PCIe x16 slot (running at x4) and second m.2 only runs at x2 speed).
@netsurfer: @netsurfer
Thank you for all that info. Been thinking about the Tomahawk and just wasn't sure about the RAM and now I do. Would prefer RAM modules with led though. Luv those light shows.
How is this compared to the sub $600 ryzen 5 2600 + rx 570/580 from a month or two ago?
The CPU is 20% faster in single core, quad cores and six cores 12 threads across the board (over 2600). For gaming, however, you won't see 20% improvement with RX 570/580, but there will be some improvement. This time you get a CPU that beats the current top i5 (i5-9600K) in pretty much every aspect including gaming.
$99 for 20% gain in general usage apps is a good deal. For most people, this is a better deal. But, if you only do Web surfing, watch youTube videos or other videos, then the previous deal is good enough already.
Thanks.
Does anybody bought from this website and received the fault product?
Yes, as with any business, but any issues have been resolved quickly.
Contact luketechfast if you have any issue. They let me return a product (due to technically not matching the description in full - it was their supplier's fault and an AMD shrewd naming trick). They handled it in a very professional manner. Their other staff were helpful too.
Would this configuration be OK in terms of maintaining decent FPS on new games for a few years to come without any additional upgrades? This is my first gaming PC and I've been watching these deals for a few months but planning on pulling the trigger tonight…
Leaper Pro RGB case
GTX 1660
8GB RAM
550W PSU
B350M Mobo
240GB SSD
I have 2x 60Hz 24 inch 1080p office style monitors to hook it up to. Never been too fussed over really high FPS or ultra graphics but just want something to be fullproof for a few years :)
Cheers!!!
CPU? Ryzen 3600 I assume. I think you might be eyeing for a graphics card upgrade in 1-2 years. Based on what we know so far for Xbox Two and PS5, they will both come with a GPU that's faster than GTX 1660.
Unless you are serious about gaming right now, it isn't exactly a great time to buy an expensive GPU. nVidia will get their die shrink for Turing next (and they could put in some other enhancement) and Microsoft's statement of Xbox Two will have a GPU with hardware ray tracing support does hint next year's AMD GPU could well have hardware ray tracing support (Lisa Su kinda hinted that in a way as well). However, GTX 1660 is a decent interim option for the time being.
In short, that setup beats Xbox One X, but won't be able to beat Xbox Two, PS5.
Yeah ryzen 3600, just using the specs off this link with the upgrades, price comes to around $850 after coupon added
In regards to your reply, if I were to stick with the base settings and no config upgrades (rx570/ryzen3600) for $700 would I be running into the same issue? Or am I expecting it to have even lower lifespan?
Thanks mate :)
That's not true. I'm using my OnePlus 6 right now to do USB tethering and it's only connected to my home Wi-Fi.