Was browsing for Ryzen processors and noticed this at an all time low price. Might be worth it for those not needing the newest zen 2 chips.
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Bear in mind Userbenchmark isn't really an effective benchmarking tool and is an approximation at best. It's the equivelant of using cinebench to see which CPU performs best in gaming.
Check out an actual CPU review from a reputable tech outlet first and consider the resolution and framerate you're targeting, your use cases and the price difference.
True, but most games are still single core heavy. So the 3600 will probably be better in the majority of them.
I've watched all the youtube reviewers.. the 3600 is clearly faster then the 2700X let alone 2700 in everything but the heaviest multi core workloads
Allot of people are upgrading from a 2700X to 3600
AMD has officially announced a price cut for (EOL) Zen+ CPU's
Pricing will only get cheaper for Zen+ :)
@vid_ghost: I wont be upgrading my 2700x in few months. Looking forward for good prices on Radeon 5700XT and may be early next year, upgrade the CPU.
@EnALup: I'm waiting for the 5600 non XT 75w GPU :)
5800XT comes out at the end of the year I'm guessing to pair up with the 16 core Ryzen 9 3950X
@vid_ghost: O well. New things are coming faster than we can buy. I will stick to current setup may be for a little longer. My existing GTX970 still has some juice left in it.
Must Resist!
plse delete
nope, you're here to stay now.
What's the cheapest motherboard for this to work in?
MSI B450 Tomahawk?
Can't find the Tomahawk anywhere.
They are in stock at PCCG?
https://www.pccasegear.com/products/43275/msi-b450-tomahawk-…
Saying that though they are starting to jack their prices up on this board - purchased one off them last Friday and it was $10 cheaper.
There's a great VRM tier list here: https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f12/pga-am4-mainboard-…
Cross refference that with what's cheap, to find what's suitable for you.
Thanks . Just recently got into video editing and my sandy bridge 2500k is choking so looking to upgrade for cheap. Will need motherboard cpu and ddr4 ram… trying to do it the ozbargain way lol cheapest as possible.
No probs; There's also a spread sheet version that makes there's strength's relative to overclocking a 2700X:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-ZwVuH_tinzgpsOdfMvY…
If it's for straight video editing, you're pretty much golden for anything B450/X470.
the 2700 is 7% faster in multi core then the 3600
SO You are getting faster video encoding.
But single core is 23% faster on the 3600
MSI B450 Mortar is another choice. It is mATX board, but you most likely still need a standard ATX case (due to Wraith Prism).
I used the b450m mortar with no problems with the wraith prism on my 2700x in a mATX case (meshify c mini). It even fits an nh-d15 lol
my mATX has low clearance (as the power supply is above the CPU) and the Wraith Prism cooler is too tall compared to intel one. It's an old case.
The Mortar also have 2 NVME (1 with slower PCI-E 2 x4, but still…). It'll be nice for those looking to ditch all the wired hdd/ssd. 500GB 970 EVO for win drive, 2TB Intel 660p for data/games library and probably a cheap 5TB portable/external backup drive for pictures/movies.
I bought the Mortar, throwed the 3700x in it and slap the gigantic Dark Rock TF on top, all in the nice & compact Meshify c mini mATX case. This board just works.
actually it's supported by 1st gen mobos too: A320, B350, X370. but you lose a couple % performance due to lack of PBO support.
MSI B450-A Pro, but honestly, I'd just get the 3600 for $300 to go with that motherboard, and that offering only gets better as Zen 2 price points soften.
I probably would still pay the $310 for the Ryzen 3600 as its beating the 2700X by 20% in every single game while using less power.
And this is the non X 2700
But 310 cost 40% more. Less threads. Productivity 2700 still > 3600 i think?
Is 12 thread better than 16 theeads with the ipc improvement?
it cost 20% more… Numbers dont lie.. yours are wrong.
This website can help
https://percentagecalculator.net/
Ok more like 30%
@vid_ghost: After revising my yr 10 math… i am correct. to calculate the percentage increase it should be
(310 - 238)/238 = 30.25% =P MATHHHHS
or in lehmans term…
$238 x 130% (30% more) = 310 =D
I'll let the savvier math nerds on OzB to decide whos right !
@Jaduqimon: Still wrong.. dude.. please just use the calculator — YOU ARE NOT Smarter then a computer
https://percentagecalculator.net/
The real percentage difference is 23.23% but i just say 20% for ease.
@vid_ghost: i did?
i put
"What is the percentage increase/decrease"
from 238 to 310 ? = 30.252100840336134%
????
@Jaduqimon: I see.. my bad, i think i need more sleep.
i didn't even see that option on the calculator lol
@vid_ghost: yes the percentage difference is not the same. depends where you start.
238 is a 20% decrease from 310
310 is a 30% increase from 238 =P
@vid_ghost: Why are you being so hostile. If you looked at the calculations dabell provided, you'd see they're correct. You're both using different inputs though.
@neosin: lolll its ok as long as we get the direction of the discount right thast all it matters…. not paying a premium. lolz
@vid_ghost: Sorry. Percentage change is calculated by:
Difference/original price * 100
72/238 * 100 = ~30% increase
This is literally in any year 8 maths textbook.
20% fps difference in games is an exaggeration. in 1080p the gap is significant but at 1440p the 2700x performs not far off the 3600 like a couple of frames less depending on the game
True… but faster is faster and if you spend $$$ on a expensive graphics card wouldn't you want to be pushing it to its max.
On average the 2700 is 7% faster in multi core speed but 23% slower in single core VS the 3600
that tells you all you need to know
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-7-2700-vs-AM…
Average user benchmarks over 2,462 Users
2080ti founders is the fastest graphics card right now, at 1440p resolution, there's not much in it between 3600 and 2700x.
Also personally I prefer stats from sources such as Guru3D instead of userbenchmark because you don't know what else the random user has which is causing a bottleneck and impacting their results. But no doubt 3600 is faster, the question is for some, is it worth spending the extra money.
20% increase at 1080p is just stupid, It’s almost 2020, 4k or nothing! At 4k, difference is almost 0%
depends.. i play all my games at 1080p / 144Hz
(144FPS required on everything)
So umm yeah :) couldn't care less about 2k or 4k
Factor in the cost of the motherboard too though….for the 2700 you can get a much cheaper board.
Wait i thoguht like 90% of amd motherboards that support 2nd gen will support 3rd gen?
I'm using a cheap $140 MSI B450 Mortar Titanium to run a Ryzen 7 3700X
Never had a zen1 or zen2 chip.. upgraded from an intel i3 6100T Dual core.
Had to use a usb stick to bios flashback the board before putting in the CPU and ram
Yes but youll have to do some faffing with the bios, wont work out of the box.
For the price difference 2700 is fine.
@Ahbal: ummm what.. it took 5 minutes to update with bios with a usb stick… adding that one step to the total build wasn't hard. But true that it is more work..
@neosin: NO… if you brick the board you can just use the biosflashback again to unbrick it
The whole point of the biosflashback button is to be able to update/replace the bios without a CPU or Ram installed
SO you dont need to be able to boot the PC to fix the broken bios
All you need is a power supply connected to the motherboard..
Its a life saver and not all motherboard have a bios flashback button on them to do this.
Best Motherboard feature to ever be added.
some older implementations of this feature didn't work when you have a cpu and ram was installed. They have improved it allot over the years
@Ahbal: Even if you get a 2700, you will most likely still need to do a BIOS upgrade (boards don't come with latest BIOS). Then, you need to decide whether to go with a BIOS that's before Ryzen 3xxx support or the latest.
I've done a setup with Ryzen 7 3700X with Mortar as well. Honestly, the flashback BIOS is the easy part. Actually adjusting the BIOS to support 4 DIMMs of RAM modules and other settings is far more time consuming. Not a big fan of the BIOS though (failed memory OC requires clear CMOS - whereas on intel board, it will drop the RAM / CPU settings automatically). I thought the debug LEDs on the board was gimmick, but it turned out to be useful. I can see why people have issues with RAM on AMD setup now, but honestly, the BIOS programming really have a lot of room to improve on RAM side (just read the XMP profile properly - how hard can it be).
Furthermore, there is a known bug with Ryzen 3xxx on latest linux kernel which requires another BIOS update to address.
@netsurfer: failed memory OC requires clear CMOS
On the MSI Mortar Titanium with a 3700X i just pulled out the ram .. tossed in a single stick of a different brand and the board reset to default and asked me to press F1 to make changes..
Only way i could make it work again.
16Gbs Team Delta 3000Mhz ram at 1.35v works fine
32Gbs Gskill trident 3000Mhz ram at 1.35v doesn't
So i cant use the 32gb Gskill trident R - intel xmp optimised ram but the Team group ram works great
Bit of a shame but it is what it is.
The 32B's of Gskill ram works great at default 2133Mhz but not at its XMP settings..
I would rather 16Gbs at 3000Mhz ram..
I may try again if they bring out a new bios that isnt beta but for now i'm stuck with team group
@vid_ghost: That's unfortunate :( I plugged in 32GB G Skill Ripjaws 3200mhz CAS 16 (same board and CPU) and turn on A-XMP Profile 2 and it just works (A-XMP Profile 1 doesn't seem to do anything). I changed clock speed to 3400Mhz without changing anything else and it runs stable for the few games I'm playing. Tried to lower CAS but it wouldn't post. Since it's a pain to reset so I don't want to bother, just running stock on everything now lol.
@Kingduytan: Gskill trident and RIPjaws are not the same.. Also my 3000Mhz tridents are from over 2 years ago just before Ryzen 1 came out so my guess is that they just dont play well with AM4 or Ryzen :) newer ram like the team group Delta works fine.
16GB is enough i guess. 3000, 3200 and 3600 are the best ram speeds to get.. anything slower or higher and your losing performance. going by the reviews
@vid_ghost: One would have thought the more high end trident would have better compatibility… Probably board bios have been tuned to newer Ram.
I was very nervous when choosing RAM for the AMD new build, cannot find the Ripjaws kit on any AM4 qvl list. I have been using intel for so long where I could simply buy the cheapest mainstream kits and don't have to worry about compatibility or performance difference.
Anw if you don't do any development or content creation then 16Gb should be plenty. My usage is averaging 15Gb RAM so I have 32GB on both my pc and work laptop. I'd love to get my hands on 3600 RAM but 32GB kits price are so outrageous.
@Kingduytan: Did you check the RAM speed using CPUz or some other software, rather than BIOS? One thing which really annoys me is the MSI mortar BIOS, even if it says DDR4-3200 mode, when you check it in CPUz, it could still be actually stuck at DDR4-2400 mode. The only way for me to fix the issue is to pull RAM modules out, re-order them, then adjust it in BIOS again. You expect when it uses XMP profile 1 and detected DDR4-3200, saving the settings and reboot to adjust it, but not always the case it seems.
Agree with you on once it is working and setup, don't touch it.
@netsurfer: With A-XMP profile 1, before 12/07 bios update it would show as 3200 in bios but 2133 in cpu-z. After 12/07 bios update profile 1 just straight up do nothing for me both bios and cpu-z. Profile 2 does work though, I have no idea what's the difference.
@vid_ghost: I only have matching pairs, but will try just 1 module next time if reset is required. Some observations:
Based on the QVL, I did notice MSI B450 Mortar consistently dislike GSkill Trident. Even the B-die one, GSkill ones have a higher chance to need to drop speed (I know, it is odd, whereas other brand's B-die isn't affected by this). Based on that, I ruled out GSkill RAM modules.
Also, from limited testing, the benefit of DDR4-3200 generic level RAM modules (CL16) is so minimal I doubt you can notice any difference compared to DDR4-3000. I know reviews online may paint a different picture, but those reviews often use B-die RAM modules and one review I saw used DDR4-3200 CL12 (that's B-die) and of course that would beat some DDR-3400/3600 with inferior timings in some cases.
So much time wasted on RAM with AMD CPU. With my intel boards, mix and match RAMs is so easy and BIOS would revert to conservative setting with bad overclock (no need to take RAM out).
2700 requires mobo with good vrms , not just any cheap mobo
I also want the 3600. Does anyone know a deal at the moment for it?
The cheapest I can find is $303.
Ebay discount codes?
If you're a student, sign up for studentbeans and get the monthly 10% off eBay coupon as there aren't any site-wide coupons atm. Cheapest 3600 I saw was $319-10% off=287
Signed up but there is no discount for eBay at all!
Very good price, the RRP for this was $359 AUD
But 3600 stronger than 2700x in most circumstances. Better buy 3600.
Great price. There goes the market for used 2700's!
3600 would be a better buy.
Unless you cant reach desired frame rates at 1080 I don't see why you would get a 3600 over a 2700.
There performance difference at 1440 is minimal and it is better, I would think in the next few years we will be moving towards 1440 or higher as the standard resolution for gaming.
I think in a few years time, most PC games will be better optimised for multi core CPUs anyway. Some triple AAA games are starting to really utilise em now anyway, developers are making more use of the technology we have
So unless you actually need the single core performance, buying the 8 core is better for long term outlook. Plus the usual spiel of being able to put savings into the graphics card or a higher refresh rate monitor for gaming.
144Hz or 240Hz monitors but then again you would need a very fast graphics card to get to those frame rates even at 1080p
Yep, even then if you were in the market for absolute best single core performance you would still lean to Intel anyway, they really get alot out of the IPC.
In general in regards to all this zen3 hype, amd is groundbreaking in it's market placement. The performance itself is not groundbreaking, I mean if we compare the 8700k to like a ryzen 3600, the performance of the two is comparable - in the same realm of things for single core. Basically Intel was offering this type of performance since 2017, just you had to pay an absolute premium for it.
Either way, the consumer wins so we should all be grateful. I can get a 8 core 16threas cpu for under 250aud, slap it on b450 board and Chuck in 16gb ram and be happy as Larry…except I'm still satisfied with my 2600k. It sure is tempting tho at these prices to just upgrade lol
Single core and up to quad core is 10% faster on Ryzen 3600, with lower power usage and bling bling reviews 3600 is getting, it is hard to resist.
For most people, if you really want to benefit from Ryzen 2700X, you need to be doing a fair amount of image processing or video transcoding / decoding work or you run a lot of servers. You could get performance benefit if you need to compress / decompress files a lot - but how often do people do that? Another reason people might prefer 3600 is power usage. 2700X isn't very power efficient unfortunately.
Reality is that both CPUs are probably overkill for people, but people just want new toys.
Exactly. For example fx8350 single core is horrible, but in my bros rig it runs all modern games just fine. Needs a decent cooler and uses a ton of power, however for the age its great. The most recent games utilise it better too.
Obviously these new ryzen chips are way better, but for this price 2700 is fine.
Would love to see the used price drop to $150 as a result
late reply but.. So im wanting to do my first pc build, and im wondering where the best place to find used parts are, ive been looking on facebook marketplace, gumtree and ebay but what other places could i be looking. Also do youhave any tips when looking for/buying used parts. I would appreciate any help, thanks.
Edit: this is my first time building a pc, so im still kinda new to this
Gumtree is king. eBay used prices are generally not as good because of shipping costs and more people having access to the same listings. Facebook is hit n miss, generally people on Facebook over price their parts. Be sure to make offers on gumtree prices, and if they say no just check back next week, if it hasn't sold they may change their mind over time. Good luck
Does 2700 (Zen+) support PCIe4? I am planing to get the new MB X570 which supports PCIe4.
Is PCIe4 controlled by the MB chipset or CPU or both?
Impossible for 2700. The CPU is incapable of supporting PCIe 4.0. PCIe 4.0 isn't really a chipset thing for AMD (Asus has opened PCIe 4.0 on some of their B450/X470 boards if you use Ryzen 3xxx CPU with certain BIOS versions - However, AMD will lock / block that; and even if you thought you could stick with beta BIOS which hasn't patched that hole, there are currently known issues with Ryzen 3xxx CPU with latest linux kernel and Destiny 2, which will be addressed in future BIOS versions - but if you will never touch linux and don't play that game, I guess you could exploit that loophole with older BIOS if you have Ryzen 3xxx CPU).
Honestly, PCIe gen 4 is overkill for graphics cards now (most of the cards cannot even saturate PCIe x8 gen 3). Storage could benefit from gen 4, but those NVMe SSDs are very expensive and runs quite hot. Current NVMe SSDs (i.e. 970 Pro, 970 Evo Plus) are already overkill for people.
Thanks mate, much appreciated, I was planning for NVMe originally.
got dam just checked AM4 motherboards, cheapest is like $7X…. what happeend to the <$50 motherboards????
I can't find this price anymore, how did you see it at 238 AUD?
Looks like price has been updated…
Side note: the 2600x (prime deal) is listed for $249 (higher than this original deal). I'm wondering if it was a price error.
Back in stock at $238 :)
Dammnnnnn…
Tempting, very tempting.