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Google Nest T3007ES
Highlights

Control Temperature from Smart Devices
2.1" (480 x 480) LCD Display
Built-In 802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi Connectivity
Compatible with Most HVAC Systems
Auto-Schedule Self-Programming
Automatically Adapts to Season Change
Smart Energy Monitoring
Built-In Rechargeable Battery
Wall-Mountable Design
Works with Alexa and Google Assistant

Features
The 3rd generation Google Nest Learning Thermostat in stainless steel adapts to your heating and cooling preferences within a week of installation and can automatically create schedules. This thermostat features built-in Wi-Fi connectivity and can be conveniently controlled via the Nest app for Android and iOS smart devices.

NOTE: These mainly work best with "dumb" HVAC. Check compatibility at https://nest.com/works/

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  • Bellpop on 30/06/2019 - 19:53

    Thanks for sharing. What do I do with this in Australia with two split systems?

    • HappyXD on 30/06/2019 - 19:55
      +5

      The problem with nest thermostats in Aus is that they are designed for centralised systems. Doesn't work very well here

      • [Deactivated] on 30/06/2019 - 20:01
        +1

        Plenty of Australian houses have ducted heating and cooling. The problem is that our systems are inverters and Nest devices are designed for on/off heating and cooling.

        • bamzero on 30/06/2019 - 20:14

          I have ducted heating/cooling, 15 years or so old so no inverter here. Biggest problem for me is that it costs a fortune to run the damn thing, I'd hate to see the power bill if I left it up to Nest to control.

          • magic8ballgag on 30/06/2019 - 22:52
            +1

            @bamzero:

            I'd hate to see the power bill if I left it up to Nest to control

            Isn't the main point of getting a smart thermostat/HVAC to be able to schedule and evidently save money?

            It's not really designed to be a set and forget system.

            • bamzero on 30/06/2019 - 23:09
              +1

              @magic8ballgag: Thought that was kind of the point of the Nest. It learns your preferences automatically so you pretty much set and forget.

              We tend to use the AC as last resort. I can only guess having a Nest would lead to a lot more use.

              Probably need to look at a newer more efficient system, thicker duct insulation, room insulation etc, all adds up too quickly. Next house… :)

              Back when we built didn't really consider things like that. Big area with lots of single pane windows, ducts and insulation prob wouldn't even meet minimum rating needed these days.

              • Tacooo on 01/07/2019 - 00:09
                +1

                @bamzero: I think you're missing the point. Nest will detect that you don't use your ducted until (for example) it hits above 45C inside or below 4C. If you don't ever use it outside of those temps it won't ever turn on because it figures that out. Hence it'll basically be doing what you'd do anyway, just automatically.

                • bamzero on 01/07/2019 - 00:17

                  @Tacooo: Yeh I understand, though don't want to spend $300 on something to not turn on my AC.

                  I'd have to start using it more than I do to make it useful, power bill would get up there…

                    • bamzero on 01/07/2019 - 10:53

                      @onlinepred: Haha, righto buddy. Thanks for weighing in..

                      Lets just say I can see the Nest doesn't suit my use case and leave it at that.

                      • onlinepred on 01/07/2019 - 11:12
                        +3

                        @bamzero: There are many articles showing that adding smarts to your ducted system will reduce bills, it does more than just turn it on and off, it can calculate when to turn it on for maximum efficiency etc. Example, turning your system on when you get home to say 24 because it's really cold, uses far more electricity than it automatically turning it on to say 18 an hour or two before you get to your house. Also being able to regulate the temperature is something that many thermostats DO NOT DO. My thermostat just is on/off, so even if it reaches the set temp, it continues to run, the Nest will turn off the system until it cools down too much. This is all aimed at being more efficient and also more user friendly. You can use geofencing etc to make it even nicer.

                        And guess what… you can change settings on it…..so if you don't want it to come on ever like you suggest, then you can turn it off…….and if you don't want it to come on as much, OMG you can change that too!

                        • bamzero on 01/07/2019 - 15:26

                          @onlinepred: Yes I agree there are more efficient ways to use an AC. I can also say open plan living with high ceilings and floor to ceiling windows everywhere looks great until you need to heat or cool the space.

                          Maybe my system is undersized or could have been designed better, but it struggles to maintain temperature in the room as the heat is very quickly lost/gained (like I said, better insulation, thicker ducts, even double pane windows would be good).

                          I'm not sure what system you're using but in my case it's ducted reverse cycle (I know ducted gas heaters are popular in the eastern states but not so common in WA). Given that running it for an hour can use as much power as my whole house normally does in half a day, we tend to use it sparingly.

                          Trying to preheat the space hasn't been any more effective than just turning it on when we need it, as the heat is just lost too quickly. It's set to the minimum needed for it to cycle on/off anyway and is comfortable in the room while it's on. The other features are a nice addition, but in the end, I just don't think we use the AC enough to warrant throwing down $300 on the Nest.

                          BTW, if the temp sensor is in the return air duct, it could be a different reading to the temp in the room depending on the air flow path. If the system continues to run it could be that it hasn't reached temp yet as far as it can tell. I usually set mine a couple of degrees plus/minus to what I want in the room and it works out about right. The Nest would have the advantage of measuring the room temperature itself in this case of course.

                          Anyway, if it works well for you, that's great. Let's keep it civil hey..

                          • onlinepred on 01/07/2019 - 17:20

                            @bamzero: Yep sounds like in your very specific case it doesn't seem useful. For me it is worth every cent for convenience and cost savings. For $300 I think it's a bargain. Reduced my heating/cooling from $2.80 a day to just less than $1 (rough est based on average use from power use per day). It's great coming home to a comfortable temp house, not too hot or too cold etc, and now the system will shut down automatically when hovering around the ideal temp.

      • F-22 on 30/06/2019 - 20:48

        I've been using one for 2 years, works very well for me. I do have ducted heating though but so do many other Australians.

      • DeepPocketsShortArms on 01/07/2019 - 09:45

        Will it work with my wood stove?

        • F-22 on 01/07/2019 - 10:57
          +4

          Yes, preheat wood stove to 280 degrees. Pop nest into wood stove and leave for 2 hours.

    • lgacb08 on 30/06/2019 - 22:14
      +2

      you don't, if you have split better spend $20 for the broadlink blackbean or rm pro and use home assistant to integrate them into your smart home, this one I think is only helpful for those having centralised heating and cooling that use very old 24v tech to turn them on and off.

  • bondiben on 30/06/2019 - 19:59
    +1

    Aren't there big problems with the future development of this?
    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/05/nest-the-company-die…

    • Joshman5k on 30/06/2019 - 20:12
      +1

      It’s folded into google. So I wouldn’t worry about support.

      • bondiben on 30/06/2019 - 20:26
        +1

        Seems they were planning to close it all down.
        https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/16/18627719/google-works-wit…

        Also doesn't match compatibility list here for Australia:
        https://nest.com/works/
        although that might be just sales - but apps seem to be uncertain for the future.

        • Smigit on 30/06/2019 - 23:41

          It’s only third party integrations that are of concern. If you don’t plan to integrate this with other products then it wouldn’t be an issue.

        • Tacooo on 01/07/2019 - 00:10
          +2

          Yeah it literally says "This product is not available in your country" when you select the Nest Thermostat and try selecting Australia.

    • bamzero on 30/06/2019 - 20:15

      Probably just the integration side of things, Nest is now tightly part of Google and lost support of IFTTT for example.

    • tdth99 on 30/06/2019 - 20:50

      Yep it looks like this was only if you were using Works with Nest, which was an arguably bizzare smart home integration, using a thermostat as the primary sensor and hub for other things.
      I'd say you'd only notice if you had some very specific routines and integrations already set up.

  • burkey on 30/06/2019 - 20:05

    Due to the manufacturers restriction, we are unable to accept orders with the provided shipping address for the following item(s):

    Google Home Mini (Chalk)

    ^ Doesn't let you complete the checkout with a Google Home Mini (they won't ship it to Australia), so we can't claim this.

    • tdth99 on 30/06/2019 - 20:08

      Thanks, have edited

  • kronicmacstigator on 30/06/2019 - 20:11
    +8

    My head hurts…

    I never thought I'd see the day people are willing to drop $300AUD on a reasonably low function device just to control the temperature in their house.

    • chav on 30/06/2019 - 20:36

      I had the same thought, it's a bling thing, but you can buy a phone for a grand these days I don't get that either!

    • F-22 on 30/06/2019 - 20:50
      +4

      I've got one and think it's worth it. Looks good, does what it's supposed to, can control the heater from my logitech harmony remote, phone, unit or by voice using alexa and google. It also turns off automatically if you leave it on when I leave the house. I do love smart home gadgets though, have ring doorbell as well.

      • bamzero on 30/06/2019 - 23:23
        +1

        Can you not do that for ~$20 though with a Broadlink though (admittedly probably not as easily for the last one, and that's probably the most useful)

        • F-22 on 30/06/2019 - 23:38

          Don't know, can you wire broadlink into a central heating system?

          • bamzero on 30/06/2019 - 23:44

            @F-22: Uses IR or RF control. No doubt not as elegant a solution as the Nest would be…

            • F-22 on 30/06/2019 - 23:45
              +1

              @bamzero: Not sure if newer units have RF or IR but mine doesn't.

              • bamzero on 01/07/2019 - 10:55

                @F-22: Ah ok, yeh if it doesn't have a remote then it wouldn't be an option.

            • onlinepred on 01/07/2019 - 08:17

              @bamzero: This is ducted systems, they don't have RF mate. Perhaps rethink your comment.

    • tdth99 on 30/06/2019 - 20:54
      +1

      I think this is really only suited for those who a) have a very simple thermostat and heating system and would like to replace it, and b) are onboard with the Google Home ecosystem and enjoy the benefits of smart home gadgets.
      Definitely niche and not a necessary purchase for just about anyone, but for some, a good deal.
      I have a simple thermostat on a timer and I have forgotten to turn it off when going away or left the heater on during the day. This would solve that problem amongst other things

    • lgacb08 on 30/06/2019 - 22:24
      +1

      sad but true, old tech die hard. This only apply to those having outdated HVAC system, me included where I have the old crappy ducted gas heating unit from Braemar that have very dump thermostat that you can only push on/off or change temperature settings, and on those 3 degree morning no one want to get your feet cold just to turn this damn thing on. You can spend around half of this to get better specs but still dump thermostat from Braemar/Brivis that can set timer or this where you can reach out to your smartphone or tell google to do it, what's your choice?

    • magic8ballgag on 30/06/2019 - 22:54
      +1

      The near future is really going to raise your eyebrows then.

    • onlinepred on 01/07/2019 - 11:17

      Currently I have to run up and down my stairs to turn on/off my ducted system. It doesn't have a timer function. I have to get up early to turn it on for the family before they wake up, and also we get home to a cold house. I have no clue how you could possibly think $300 for this massive convenience is anything but reasonable or understandable.

  • bbqandbargains on 30/06/2019 - 22:12

    I've got a central system of unknown make and model for heating and cooling, which is controlled by a Brivis NC6. I'm looking to replace the NC6 with this. Any suggestions on how I can work out the compatibility? My first instinct is to get into the roof and check out the system I'm trying to control and work out the signal.

    • nico8amy on 30/06/2019 - 22:21

      Check wires on the back of your thermostat and check nest website for compatibility.

  • raiyani on 30/06/2019 - 22:42

    I have a Vulcan (Bonaire) summer breeze which is a very basic on/off, temperature set thermostat for heating only, it has 2 wires connected to the back of it.
    Can anyone advise if this will work?

    I have ready many require a C wire to provide extra power but seeing as this uses batteries, I was wondering if it would work.

    Thanks in advance.

    • nico8amy on 30/06/2019 - 22:54

      I have the same two wire basic heating system. You need to add a C wire from unit to thermostat. Otherwise it will just sending error massage. Easy DIY project if you have tools and wires and clear access to run wires.

    • sexy on 30/06/2019 - 23:06
      +1

      Check voltage first— if 24V AC then easy, just connect R & W terminals on unit with the two wires. No need to check phase/neutral
      If 240V then no go
      In case you are replacing mercury thermostat, be thoughtful of disposal as hazchem

      • lgacb08 on 01/07/2019 - 08:52

        You'll need to fish out the c wire otherwise this wont charge, it need 3 wires as many said. But getting c wire is easy

        • lachyzee on 01/07/2019 - 10:56

          FYI - some (like me) have had success installing Nest/Nest E even without a common/neutral wire.

          I think it's best to try that first.

          I installed a Nest E to my old Brivis Buffalo system a few weeks ago without a common/neutral - works perfectly.

    • raiyani on 30/06/2019 - 23:28

      Thanks nico8amy and sexy,

      I'm unsure as to who is correct, i guess i'll have to do some more research.

      nico8amy, access shouldn't be a problem, i'll just have to find where to run the wire to/from.

      sexy, if it can be run from the 2 existing wires (I checked and they're 24v) is it to the W1 and the RH terminal? the current thermostat I have doesn't have a mercury switch.

      • sexy on 01/07/2019 - 14:51

        As other stated, your milage may vary — my one is a two wire system, the function is essentially switch the system on/off with short circuit. The two terminals I connected were W1 and R and left all other terminals unconnected. I checked some YouTube videos and everyone was doing the same though they are in North America. I felt lucky when I got my heating unit up and running flawlessly with the thermostat.. didn't even have a system schematic of the ducted heater when trying it.

  • Canberran on 30/06/2019 - 23:50

    I have a Brivis Ducted Heating with NC-6 controller and a Brivis Evap Cooling with a separate NC-6 controller both mounted next to each other.

    Can this one device replace both?

  • PlowKing on 01/07/2019 - 07:51

    Now showing $189USD?

    • tdth99 on 01/07/2019 - 10:12

      Is inclusive of postage, which is $25USD to anywhere in Australia.

  • kranix on 01/07/2019 - 11:15

    This looks great but I have some n00b questions.

    I have a Brivis ducted gas heater with a wired manual mercury controller. Can the Nest replace this?

    Here are some photos of my unit. I'm not sure of the exact model but it looks an older version of the Honeywell CT50K1002 (that version doesn't have mercury, but mine does).

    How difficult would it be to do the replacement? Would I need an electrician or can I get someone off Airtasker on the cheap?

    I'm really hoping that this is just a simple swap-in. I've heard in some cases that extra wiring needs to be run from the heater to the switch.

    • Jstrrrr on 01/07/2019 - 15:52

      A quick Google search shows Nest can be connected using G, Y, W, Rh, C labelled wires. That Honeywell unit has very similarly labeled connections. So I think the Nest would work well for you.

      It's the newer Central AC units that Nest and other similar products like Ecobee have trouble connecting. Those ones operate via digital LCD control panels and would often require an analogue-to-digital add-on board from the AC manufacturer in order to connect with Nest. It's bizarre that these new smart thermostats all use old analogue trigger systems. Perhaps that's what the majority of the systems are in the USA?

  • mouski on 03/07/2019 - 16:23

    I have a Bonaire 3 star (not sure of the model exactly) with only R and W wiring.
    The Nest would power steal so much that it would run the heater to keep the power to the thermostat so I would need a C wire.
    Just a word of advice in case others are still looking into it etc.
    Also I called Nest for Support and they flat out said the Thermostat is not available in Australia so we can't/won't help you.

  • majestic4 on 05/07/2019 - 22:19

    Anyone have experience with a Bonaire ducted system? I’ve got a very basic controller but it has 5 wires none of which are labelled.

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