The new Raspberry Pi 4 Model B dropped today. It is a significant upgrade from the previous 3+. The 4GB RAM model is the best value for money. They all come with dual micro HDMI ports, Gigabit LAN, b/g/n/ac WiFi, 2 USB 3 ports and 2 USB 2 ports.
$94.95 is the regular price but at this price the RPi 4 is great value. The best place to pick up one of the new PRi's is from Little Bird Electronics' Pi Australia store.
Product ships in end of August.
Any bargains? 😂
no…
but it is "great value" according to the OP
This is not a bargain..
1. listing RRP from the official site
2. where is the price saving from original price..
3. you can go to any companies site and list rrp for this years model and say the specs are better than last years model
4. This site will just turn into a large advertising site for companies new products RRP
Well, at least you alerted me to the new model being released
Also this is preorder..
Just wait till more sellers get it
and then buy it on ebay with the regular discount codes that are going on nowadays.
This one comment is on it's way to cancel out this entire post -_-
OzRRP
…given that it is way over RRP. ie USD$55 for 4GB.
"The 4GB RAM model is the best value for money."
I think the 2GB model is the best value for money out of the three.
1GB $59.95
2GB $66.95
4GB $94.95
Postage $7.20
It'll vary based on use case but yeah, to replace the Pi I have running HassIO I think the 2GB would be more than sufficient.
2GB is definitely the sweet spot for pricing..
only $7 more for 1 extra GB of ram
ie $7 per GB of ram
then price jump too high when going from 2gb to 4gb
now it is $28 for 2GB ram
or basically $14 per GB of ram
For hassio even RP 3 is sufficient.
Absolutely. Considering an upgrade as I've found bluetooth on my 3 to be a bit flakey using the Pi3's built in Bluetooth, but I'll wait and see how the 4 goes as to whether it's worth my while or not. In terms of performance quicker restarts and updates would be nice but the PI3 does a pretty good job all in all.
@Smigit: which use/project is the bluetooth flakey for you?
i also found bluetooth crap on the pi 3b
so can't use bluetooth headset with it
@pinkybrain: I use it with Hass IO using the Bluetooth tracker to detect presence. For myself I have a number of trackers set up as redundancy like GPS via the Home Assistant app or Nest Home/Away, but my wife and son are reliant on Bluetooth (phone for wife, a Tile for my son). I find that every few days they drop off and the PI won’t see the devices until I reboot the PI, where non Bluetooth tracking works fine.
Not the end of the world but I use presence tracking to automate our robot vacuum etc.
I actually run it on the odroid XU4.
Only 32bit but 8 core and 2gb memory
Depends what you need it for?
What projects need 4gb or 2gb of RAM?
emulation
Agreed. I'm not quite sure why the 4GB model is so expensive in Australia. The difference from 2GB to 4GB RAM is much lesser in USD or EUR.
Yes the price difference between the models RRP overseas is much closer. Not sure why the 4GB is so much of a jump. I assume it's where they resellers expect to make all the margin. Maybe if they expect the application to be as a low power desktop replacement, they expect people will pay more.
overseas the price jump is the same to go from 1 to 2 to 4 GB
ie $10
Australia is pricejacking when going from 2 to 4 GB, doubling the cost per GB
Maybe they figure it works for phones…
Affordable computer. Remember that concepts?
Insert /s.
Well it was the sweet spot. Now magically jumped up to $78. Same as core-electronics :/
core have a+ service, really helpful on the chat
@skwashd: For some reason the fact you seem to have experience with multiple sites customer service makes me think you aren't the most reasonable of consumer.
@kasp: I place class size education orders for stuff. There's often a bit of back and forth when sorting that out. Through this process I've got to see a lot about how different companies treat their customers.
@skwashd: Get a business account, if they don't do it get one elsewhere.
It doesn't matter what you are buying them for there shouldn't be much back and forth when placing orders for stuff like this.
I want X and it is for education what can you do for me.
Once that is done send them PO.
And core-elecs offer cheaper shipping costs.
Wait so not only is this not a bargain (it's RRP) the overall cost including shipping IS'NT the cheapest price available here?
Great forum post.
Well done OP
4GB $94.95
Postage $6.90
great value not equal bargain
ie. straws are free from mcdonalds
Just bought a Pi3 because my first google search check said the Pi4 wasn't dropping until 2020. Nice one…
Don't worry I brought a Pi3 yesterday afternoon online……FML
I bought a second hand NUC today because my RPi 3B+ NAS is slowing down my file transfers. Had I known there was a release scheduled, I would have bought this instead.
Nah you still made the right call.
SD card death is a problem with pi's for big or long workloads. NUC's will last longer
No, that is an old problem that does not necessarily apply any more.
The new RPi (3 or 4) can run from from SSD (via USB), just like NUC. No SD cards.
@luka: I'm a sucker for a single enclosed form factor. Any pi cases that neatly manage SSD's? My two 3modelB's have eaten a few micro SD cards over the years
Similar story here. Started with PiB3+ to run pihole and home assistant. But switched to a tiny form factor (1 litre box or laptop) Intel box (4+th gen) as I wanted to have Blue Iris, Plex server and file server in the same single standalone running 24/7.
The original idea of using PiB3+ was to keep idle power consumption low which it did at about 3watts.
The Intel box idles at 7~8 watt (SSD only without mechanical HDDs to be comparable. Running Blue Iris doing continuous recording adds another 2-3 watt). Win10 Pro is cheap on eBay and let me run DietPi on VMs to host PiHole and Plex Server via HyperV).
I don't like Window/Intel for their monopolistic practices. Can't wait for AMD Ryzens to bring some real competitions. Unfortunately their product does the job I need at cheap 2nd hand eBay prices. Tiny form factor AMDs are still hard to come by at the mo.
Yes Intel boxes cost a lot more than a Pi but depending on use cases it might be worth the extra cost. I still support the single board computer movement!
Ahh yes the $55 Pi 4 is almost $100 in Australia, great.
AU$79 by direct currency conversion, and it's AU$95 to buy… AU$16 for international shipping isn't absurd even before you add GST. There are far worse cases to complain about there.
$16 for shipping is pretty terrible if you ask me when we're talking an item that will be very popular and electronics stores will order in the 100's (if not 1000's for larger stores). It's also neither very large nor heavy and they can easily pack a lot of them together.
It's also shipping from where? I'm guessing from China/SE Asia. Should be cheaper to ship to Australia than to ship to the US.
@nmartin84: Exactly. And thats not shipping to the customer, who based on this deal and at least one other store are then up for another $6 or $7 local shipping.
There's no way the per unit cost to ship these for reasonably sized company will be $16 when they're ordering in 100+ batches which they will be as there will be individuals ordering half a dozen plus from them not to mention businesses or education bodies and the like that will order in the dozens. Thats the sort of price I'd expect to pay if I was ordering a single unit for international shipping to my door.
Not claiming they're over priced or anything, as devices they're exceptionally good in spite of the local markup but I think it's fair to say theres a bit of an Australia tax here and I don't think it's in fact the shipping taking that money. I'm sure its some other distributor sitting in the middle or local retailers looking to maximise their take. It could be as simple as this is brand new and will likely sell out so why look to be too competitive day one. I can live with that whatever the case is, the markups better than many other products that costs more locally than elsewhere.
Plus sales tax?
Ahh yes the $55 Pi 4 is almost $rip off in Australia
Ahem, only US$35 according to DGiT email I just looked at. (profanity) Aus markups :(
The $35 USD one is 1 GB ram, the 4GB ram one is $55 USD.
That's because the AUD is 0.7 USD, the government intentionally keeps it low for the coal exports. Scomo gonna be a high roller by the end of this term in office.
FYI - it uses a USB-C plug but it isn't USB-PD, it expects a constant 5V supply min 3A.
also bluetooth 5.0
OP you might have overlooked an important specification I've been waiting for and which will make me finally buy one:
https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-4-on-sale-now-…
Does that mean it would make for a good Plex transcoder?
it's plex, even a core i9 wont help
Good news is it support decoding 10-bit h.265, so you play your sweet 4K HDR content using the pi.
Bad news is it does not support encoding h.265.
That machine will be able to transcode your 4K to h.264, but you can't have it to transcode 4K HDR to 4K SDR.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
What kind of CPUs will support hardware encoding of h265? Intel 8+th gen…?
@BlueSkyAPI: Intel 8th gen and later or if you have GPU that is 10xx or newer should also work they both support encoding for 10-bit h.265.
But if you're only concerned with SDR content, then intel 6th gen or nvidia 9xx would do.
@juns: Thank you! I will factor this info into the next CPU purchase.
Do you know if any AMD Ryzen CPU/APU can do hardware h265 encoding too?
I use Kodi so am not too familiar with how PLEX transcodes and what are it's hardware requirements and support sorry.
I’m curious too. Mainly need it to encode for a remote connections. I.e. 4K or 1080p down to a nice 720p version.
This is still best used as a Plex client rather than server.
As a client to view on the device it can play (decode):
H.265 4k60 decode, H.264 1080p60 decode
As a server it can convert (encode) to:
H.264 1080p30 encode
Current state of things:
https://libreelec.tv/2019/06/libreelec-9-2-alpha1-rpi4b/
The software still needs some work, seems to be as good as a Rpi 3+ with 1080p but can play 1080p h.265.
HBR audio (TrueHD/DTS-HD) and 4K videos still needs some time.
For $70 (2GB) it seems alright for a device which should play H.265 4k60 HDR with HBR audio (TrueHD/DTS-HD) with the correct frame rate switching.
If you had these everywhere there would be no need for a Plex server to be more powerful than a Pi.
So many use cases. It's hard to know which ones to highlight.
Please list a few of your favs for noobs like me
Raspberry Pi Foundation's Offical supported Operating Systems
NOOBS
Raspbian
home automation, CCTV monitor, game emulation
The max for dual displays is 4K30Hz. Or you can run a 4K60Hz and a 1080p.
It appears to only support 4k in H265 not H264. Dual monitor drops the 4k to 30Hz.
Do you have 4K H264 sources?
Yes, and there are lot of sources of 4k H264 such as cameras. Why, did you want some for some reason?
@Major Mess: The reason I ask is that HEVC/x265 is much more efficient (as its name implies) codec compared to AVC/h264.
A file encoded by HEVC is virtually indistinguishable at half the size of AVC.
And can be reduced far less at acceptable PQ.
If you're encoding/decoding lots of 4k content the quality/space/transmission savings are unmatched.
All streaming services I know of currently use HEVC/VP9 for 4K as well as UHD.
The only places I've seen 4K AVC still used is as samples on sites such as:
The other problem with AVC/x264 is that there are really no hardware decoders for 10bit so you are really only left with software decoding options if you want to encode at higher than 8bit.
It is posited that AVC will be quite quickly deprecated especially as HEVC and VP9 exist now and AV1 is rolling out.
"AV1 is an open and royalty-free next-generation video codec that has been developed by AOMedia. Its founding members included Amazon, Cisco, Google, Intel, Microsoft, Mozilla and Netflix who decided to solidify the separate Daala, Thor, and VP10 codecs that they were working on."
"AV1 has been shown to be able to provide 30% greater compression than HEVC. That is significant, considering HEVC is able to provide up to 50% greater compression than H.264"
FYI, Single Monitor 4Kp60, Dual Monitor 4Kp30.
My understanding is that previous RPi models didn’t allow HD audio passthrough (ATMOS/TrueHD, etc) preventing it from being an excellent xELEC/Kodi host. Is same true for 4?
If you don't mind reading my rather long winded answer to another post then here:
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/7441140/redir
Otherwise I'll repost relevant bit:
Rpi2 and 3 could always decode both TrueHD and DTS-HD MA, and output 8 channel PCM at 48kHz.
But shield's advantage may be narrowing versus the RPi4 though as I just read this post on Millhouse's version:
"Thanks. One last question about Atmos. It's matter of days or weeks?
I would say more likely to be weeks than days, but probably not months."
https://forum.libreelec.tv/thread/17698-libreelec-leia-9-2-a…
Rpi2 and 3 could always decode both TrueHD and DTS-HD MA, and output 8 channel PCM at 48kHz.
Except I (don’t trust it and) prefer passthrough to dedicated hardware, hence my s905x. I doubt it’ll happen on RPi.
Does this fit in the old Raspberry Pi 3 B+ case?
No, the USB and Ethernet ports are mirrored, the power cable is now USB-C and there's no HDMI but 2 mini-HDMIs instead.
Not sure why someone downvoted you. You are correct, it does swap those ports and it won't fit in many of the Pi 3 B cases, depending of course on how open the case is and how tight a fit, the official case they sold needs dremel work to fit with the new one.
Mobile users. Very easy to hit the -ve vote when scrolling
Is this all good for Kodi now? I looked into it a long time ago but went the Intel NUC route ( this is back when rasp pi 1 first released, I think it was pretty laggy loading menus and playing certain files ).
Looking at this to be a Kodi player / download station. Do you just plug a USB harddrive into it?
This should make a great kodi experience.
H265 native, 4K60.
Pi2 is not laggy.
Better than the nuc in currently running.
USB HD or NAS and it'll be sweet.
Does it bitstream HD audio? I think the 1stcgen couldn't and I havent really been paying attention since
I haven't seen it mentioned, but it probably has the same mpeg2 issues for DVB live and recorded where you have to buy an extra licence? It may not even support mpeg2 hardware decoding, but maybe it has enough grunt for software decoding?
The last two versions were fine for Kodi. But a $30-$40 Android box was a better option.
Not if you needed 4K@60 10bit hevc.
So many problems with the $30-$40 Android boxes though?
If you are that cutting edge, you already have a Shield or similar. The only real source of such formats would be the extremely lossy streaming services, and they would be niche sporting or maybe nature doco's anyway.
@Major Mess: Cutting edge, yeah maybe for the year 2017??
You may not be aware but there are at least thousands upon thousands if not millions of sources of 4K 10 bit HEVC.
UHD is also 10bit HEVC.
The main advantage the shield has over $40 android boxes is it's support for those proprietary "extremely lossy streaming services". So don't really understand the point you're trying to make here. The Xiaomi Mi Box 3 also has the same streaming support albeit without gig ethernet.
Another advantage shield has is support of HD audio formats and extensions such as Atmos.
But Rpi2 and 3 could always decode both TrueHD and DTS-HD MA, and output 8 channel PCM at 48kHz.
That advantage may be narrowing versus the RPi4 though as I just read this post on Millhouse's version:
"Thanks. One last question about Atmos. It's matter of days or weeks?
I would say more likely to be weeks than days, but probably not months."
https://forum.libreelec.tv/thread/17698-libreelec-leia-9-2-a…
The last major advantage the shield has over other cheap android boxes is it's support base from not only Nvidia but also the community.
But RPi, Linux and the open source community dwarf it by comparison.
People who like cutting edge don't needlessly spend their money.
If the Xiaomi Mi Box 3 had gig ethernet I would have invested even with it's buggy firmware and reduced support base.
Instead I did choose the cheapo $30-$40 Android boxes to tide me over till something like the RPi4 came out. So I know very well their shortcomings.
You might also want to remember that there are many households that have multiple media boxes perhaps one in every room like me.
If I had to spend $200 (when on sale) on a shield in every room (nine) i'd be looking at $1800.
For the RPi4 it's less than half that when not on sale. For me the choice is easy as I can stream proprietary formats from my TV, PS4 Xbox1 etc.
OSMC running off a 2.5" USB HDD
+ OpenVPN
+ SickChill
+ Transmission
But not for $102 :/
this will give Nvidia Shields a run for their money for those wanting to play 4k x265 off storage
edit - but agree its not really a bargain.
How? Why?
Been explained multiple times over this post.
Looks like LibreELEC have Kodi running in 4K pretty sweetly on this already, albeit on a pretty raw alpha version at this stage: LibreELEC (Leia) 9.2 ALPHA1 with Raspberry Pi 4B Support. Their video review seems to suggest the 4GB version is probably overkill, though no detail is provided.
This is just the kind of hardware I've been waiting for, but will probably wait for a while longer until it becomes an actual bargain.
I'm struggling to see the application here.
Expensive for a micro-controller.
If you are not using all those I/O pins and just want a cheap Linux box, there are cheaper options that come with case, power supply, ssd, and more included.
Just search for "Kodi box" on ebay, for example. But check what SoC they have, as not all run Linux as well.
The main appeal is mass market support. You google a problem and someone else has had it. Not true for all the other random Chinese competitors.
not really, i've trouble setting up hassio on my pi and 2 weeks searching on the internet yields no solution, and apparently it's not an uncommon issue
They didn't say that there would be a solution, just that someone else has had it. You saying that it isn't an uncommon issue seems to suggest they were right.
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Gigabit LAN and USB3 is pretty sweet, not to mention the 4GB of ram. However, I don't think this qualifies for a bargain given that it's RRP.