Hi all,
I'm thinking to purchase a Corolla Hybrid. My purpose is for commuting to work during peak hours (slow traffic speed).
After considering the depreciation cost of the battery, do you think I can save significant amount of money (e.g. after 10 years) compared to the petrol version?
Thank you for joining the discussion.
CPS: $175 Every 12m/15,000km for the first 5.
Hybrid and petrol are the same service costs, no need for a table to separate them ;)
Good to have an expert on hybrid vehicles. Different question but still relates to the battery, I tend to park my vehicle for long periods while travelling say up to six months, would this affect the battery life or warranty?
I don't believe so, but read your owner's manual in case
It will wreck your tyres, and actually be better for the battery than using it, especially if you can store it at around 40% charge.
Storing it at 100% charge is not so good. Can't remember off-hand if it's any worse than actually using the battery, suspect not.
Salesperson. Not hybrid expert.
@spackbace
Please expand on "less moving parts"
re: the "$1500 premium". I assume that's the difference in RRPs. Would I be right in saying that there is closer to $3k in "real world pricing" or do both models attract a similar discount after negotiation?
Please expand on "less moving parts"
Sorry, wrong wording I think. Hybrid cars don't have alternators or starter motors, the electric engine takes over those roles
re: the "$1500 premium". I assume that's the difference in RRPs. Would I be right in saying that there is closer to $3k in "real world pricing" or do both models attract a similar discount after negotiation?
Same bonuses apply, same price gap after negotiation
Yes i say so too i own one price negotiation was a hell more than 1500
less parts does not mean less maintenance. go look at the rotary engine and how many of them have failed.
Which petrol car is getting 6L/100km?
Petrol Corolla is rated to 6L/100km
vw jetta…..I get 6.4
Mazda 3s get this figure easily. The new Suzuki Ignis is closer to 5l/100kms.
Octavia 1.8tsi manual. I was averaging 5.9L/100 for a long time when I was doing big miles and needed to reduce costs. Most of the VW group vehicles will achieve their "official rating" if driven carefully
is it true hybrid has less moving parts?
That's the case for pure electric cars but I thought it will be at least the same number of moving parts between hybrid and ICE because it still needs normal engine?
Such a quality reply. Appreciate it!
worth mentioning that claimed fuel economy is always BS.
Completely ignored diesel, i see. They're both 2nd fiddle.
Diesel only good for commercial vehicles, not passenger cars.
Tell Europe that.
My wife has a German built fiesta econetic diesel. We're both head over heels since new.
Death to crappy petrol small cars, usuly coupled to equly crappy automatics.
All our extended family haven't gone back, since having diesel cars/Ute's.
@Ulysses31: Might be wiser to listen what Europe is saying.
European diesel car sales plummet -IEA
Diesel car sales in Europe fell sharply in the first half of the year amid buyer concerns over pollution and falling resale value as governments seek to reduce combustion engine car sales.
A number of major European cities including Berlin, London and Paris have launched diesel car ban programmes to fight pollution.
@Ulysses31: It's impossible to make a diesel fit the growing emissions rules, so as above, have a look and see what Europe is doing. They're phasing out diesel.
So props to you, jumping on the diesel bandwagon so late lol as I said, resale will plummet in coming years as everyone looks to better, cleaner sources of energy.
https://www.dw.com/en/german-car-dealers-have-a-diesel-crisi…
Sales of diesel cars conforming to Euro 5 emissions standards have plummeted, despite recent moves to allow retrofitting. Even newer models are selling poorly. Dealers have a glut of unsold diesel cars. Off-lease models are compounding the problem.
@spackbace: "So props to you, jumping on the diesel bandwagon so late lol"
Keep smoking those herbs. Who says I'm late/new to the bandwagon??
Go for it.
I had a Toyota Prius before.
Great car and excellent on fuel.
I bought it when it was 3 years old for about $15k and sold it when it was 8 years old for about $8k. Drove about 120k kms.
What is the difference between Prius and Corolla.
Sorry a bit noob. Is it just size?
The prius is ugly as (profanity), while the corrola is ok
I love my Prius I would not have it any other way.
people get V8 and $150,000 Landcruiser went live in Town only bush they have seen is a the local park.
Hired a prius years ago. The economy was terrible. Add the environmental impact, and it's a lame duck.
Yes if you do lots of kms. Locally look at all the hybrid Toyota as taxis and 70% of the taxi in Seattle are Prius.
There are more benefits of hybrid, not just fuel consumption. Keyless entry, climate control, cabin noise is lower. For only $1.5 premium it's better to get a hybrid.
hybrid are amazing
Top things I like about my hybrid car about. Quietness, comfort, longer music time, keyless entry, auto brakes, hold brakes, auto lights, electrical wheel…it goes on lol…I love my corolla hybrid!
I love the fuel saving and outside of course. But other things make $1500 extra worth it as well.
I hired a Mitsi "Phev" and drove about 120km around Adelaide over three days. The petrol gauge did not move (no top up prior to return required!). Other than the less than exhilarating drive and dull interior and the stupid name, I was quite impressed. If you're doing city commute, it's a winner.
Ah. "Outlander Phev" is a much better name. And it's good to make the distinction to avoid confusion with all the other Phevs. Thanks.
I spoke to my Uber driver about this the other day, from what I can tell, if you are using the car in city traffic a lot you will see a much larger saving than if you were to use it for lots of country driving. This particular Uber driver said that he had a regular camry, it was using about $45 of fuel per day, he then got a Hybrid version of it, he's now spending about $20 per day. This represents a much larger gap than mentioned by Spaceback.
Camry isn't a Corolla ;) Yes the Camry figures are much more noticeable, but OP asked about Corolla.
If OP was comparing Camry, @ 10,000km/yr, it would take only 3.15yrs to make back the $1500 premium. Half the time over the Corolla
Wow! I never knew it is that good.
Hybrid Camry is rated to 4.2L/100km, but on Premium Fuel. Hybrid Corolla just needs regular fuel.
@[Deactivated]: You can make it fit.
.. Surely garage can fit a camry. (Otherwise its a dodgy Garage)
@terahammer: e10 costs less initially but the engine uses more fuel as ethanol has less calorific value. On a c/km basis its break even at best.
It is only $1500 above a normal Corolla, but Corollas are overpriced compared to other small sedans. Bit like a retailer inflating rrp and then saying they've got a discount, to trick people into thinking they're getting a great deal.
other small sedans.
New model Corolla is currently just hatch, FWIW ;)
Oh oops. I could have sworn I read that the 2019 corolla sedans were $26k
Not far off for the old model. New model could come dangerously close to Camry pricing (based off the hatch pricing), if Toyota don't revise Corolla pricing when it comes in
Are pure electric worth it yet if just work commuting?
Very unlikely. Maybe if you drive 100k-200k a day with solar and do not plan to use a car for long drives it would make some sense
The problem with EVs is we have some of the highest power prices in the world. EVs make a lot of sense in the USA where some consumers are paying retail prices of as little as AU$0.11/kWh. We're better off with hybrids and selling power to the grid at 20c/kWh.
US petrol prices are also much lower than in Australia so electric cars are not necessarily more economical there either.
Their current average for regular unleaded is US 68.2c/l which is AU 96.2c/l. Source.
In states like California, both petrol prices and electricity prices are much higher than the US average. Tax breaks will also vary between US states. I don't think it's possible to generalise about the affordability of electric cars in the US.
Me sitting patiently and waiting for an hybrid or EV SUV/ute/4WD.
SUV
Hybrid RAV4 coming in May
Hyundai Ioniq and Kia e-Niro actually look quite interesting actually.
Outlander
Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV is a plug-in hybrid 4WD SUV
Boring
Fuel is a fraction of the cost of ownership. Factor in cost of new car vs used (depreciation), insurance etc..
For example I saw a 2 year old Hyundai i20 go for $4.5K with under 40,000km on it. 5.9 L/100km New corolla hybrid is $32k, then insurance $5k car vs $32k car
used i20 can have a V8 and it still be ahead in cost saving, but that be hilariously good.
Except a Corolla is in i30 class not i20.
And $4,500?! Write off?
Its whitegoods on wheels thats used as a daily beater for one person to get to work. Same class
Nope base model ex-fleet with logbook, at auctions.
Fair point to consider. Thanks
No, they're not in the same class. i20 is significantly smaller than a Corolla, and even the i20 replacement, the Accent. And seeing the bids go up to 4500 doesn't mean it sold. There's been plenty of times I've bidded on cars and was the highest bidder, yet still eons apart from the reserve, its a bit of a false economy there.
used i20 can have a V8
This is unlikely. Hyundai V8 are reserved for their full sized sedans like the Genesis/Equus.
LOL that was a joke and a point that fuel economy is insignificant cost when you look at all factors.
I see.
No joking here mate. We talk about bargains only. I agree with whooah1979, unlikely to see a used i20 with a v8
You should change your name to whoosh.
Lol
A BEV is going to have the lowest running costs, however, they are almost double the price of what you are looking at currently. This will change, but not for a few years.
The whole stop/start driving is where you get the most benefit from hybrid cars. In that slow urban morning crawl, you would find that most hybrid vehicles wouldnt even need to run the engine and power itself along on mostly the electric motor. And the constant acceleration and then deceleration of catching traffic lights every second street would be better for keeping the battery topped up than just flat out highway running.
I own a Mitsubishi Outlander Aspire PHEV and it gets me 50km on electric and the rest petrol. It runs 1.9L/100km. If I'm driving under 50km per recharge, then I never use fuel at all. In the handbook it says to go for a longer drive once every three months just to cycle some of the petrol through because you can get around purely on electric for months if you have a <50km commute. The regenerative braking is amazing and really helps to stretch the battery usage further. I bought it for $26K at 3yrs old and we've saved a lot of money on fuel. You just plug it in when you get home and enjoy the savings! Very happy with it
Yes. I was looking at one od these as well. Was going to get a new Hyundai Tucson 2wd Active, but I can get a 2~3yo very low km Outlander PHEV for the same price. Almost seems like a no brainer to me.
My only concern is why. Why are there so many Outlander PHEV vehicles with low km and such a low price point. But I am hard pressed to find any bad reviews of them anywhere.
@pegaxs: Most vehicles lose half of their original price value in the first three years as a general measure. People who buy the PHEVs probably buy them knowing what their commute/daily km usage will be and if they're doing 50km/day at 5 days a week for 48 weeks a year, that's 12,000km. For 3 years that's 36,000km. My PHEV had 68,000km on it when I bought it. They're currently $46,000 for the regular ES 2019 model brand new and $54,000 for the EXCEED 2019 model brand new. My Aspire came with all the bells and whistles so I feel like I got a LOT of bang for my buck with the nice features.
Do you notice much on electricity bill?
@[Deactivated]: We have solar panels, so it didn't make a lot of difference, but the bloke who owned it before me said that he saw an extra $40 per month on his electricity bill.
@Euphemistic: maybe, depends on how much you drive.
but it shouldn't cost you extra $40/month in electricity.
let's say your electricity rate is $.26.
$40 means, you use extra 153 kwh. That is almost half of average 2 person household usage.
@Bargain80: Sounds about right. According to https://ev-database.uk/car/1109/Mitsubishi-Outlander-PHEV, battery capacity is 12 kWh which is good for 29 km.
So 153 kWh would be roughly charging it every second day
1 of the salespeople here is very proud he's got the Corolla hybrid averaging the 4.2L/100km, and he's aiming on getting it lower lol
did he tell how big is the brick he put under the accelerator pedal? :)
BTW, I do not really believe in all these figures from the official brochures, i.e. 6/100L average on corolla - I am pretty sure in real life driving between suburbs it will be around 8.0L/100km if not more…
You can choose to not believe the earth is round, doesn't make it fact 😉
@spackbace: have you driven a new corolla for your daily commute? I understand that traffic can vary depending on time, day and etc. but if yes, what was the average consumption?
@spackbace: I remember this (was reading in the other post), but I am sure you have driven dozens (if not hundreds) of cars being a salesman, so did all of them show the same consumption as per the brochure? :)
@spackbace: nice, and now we are coming back to: "did he tell how big is the brick he put under the accelerator pedal? :)"
I drive 80km + per day in the new camry hybrid.
Depending on the traffic my fuel usage is from 3.8-5.0L/100km with E10 fuel.
The estimates are quite accurate.
@terahammer: any chance of knowing the average speed? I.e. 3.8L/100 km average speed 47 km/h and etc.
Thank you!
Assume you're talking new car here?
New or low km used.
So what would be the cost of replacing the battery when its health eventually starts to decline? Thinking of what the cost impact would be on the secondhand market and possibly increased depreciation.
Could you do another table service cost for both cars?