Hi
In my street except my house every other house is nbn connected
I have Optus 200gb plan which I constantly get 80Mbps/ 37 Mbps speed which I think is much better than 42 Mbps which normally provided by nbn providers
And I don’t go over 200gb for last 3 months
I am looking not to connect to nbn
Am I making a mistake ? No connection to house has been setup for nbn
What happens if I want to connect to nbn after a year or so ? Will I be asked to pay more for setup?
I don’t think this is true in fibre areas. If you don’t have the fibre installed as part of the roll out you will have to pay later.
Personally, I would try out the nbn with one of the month to month suppliers to ensure the cabling etc. works, as I suspect in a few years time the knowledge of how to connect a property for the first time will be lost.
For what it is worth, I would not buy a house without nbn, so you risk turning some future buyers off.
My mistake from an old nbn article:
Although the government is covering the installation costs now, those who decline to allow NBN Co on to their property will need to pay up to $300 to connect to the NBN at a later date
Yes you do have to connect to the nbn:
https://www.afr.com/technology/web/nbn/the-nbn-is-compulsory…
https://www.telstra.com.au/support/category/broadband/nbn/do…
https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/national-broadband-network…
Your existing internet service will be turned off (Except SIM based 3G and 4G)
https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/nbn/what-you-dont-…
@Musing Outloud: Of course you have to, but you can still choose not to for FTTP, wireless and skymuster. All these options require nbn to access the person's private property to connect them to the nbn, it's just that they will need to find an alternative to ADSL
Not all existing services will be turned off. For example, those who have TPG FTTB will not have there service disconnected as TPG FTTB is a seperate service.
Good advice. I can't see any downside to getting a free NBN installation as soon as it becomes available. Is there one?
Kogan and Beyond have $0 activation with 1 month contract. Probably lots of better suppliers too.
Many who were on cable connections reported significantly reduced speeds when they migrated to NBN. Pretty big downside if you utilise this for game downloads etc.
I would not buy a house without nbn
You'd kill a, say, $500 000 purchase because of an outstanding $300 maintenance job?
Please let all other prospective buyers be like you when I'm looking to buy :)
I've seen quotes for thousands for fibre install not part of the standard roll out.
I haven't seen a quote for $300 to connect after the area has been completed.
NBN is a mess for properties that fall through the gaps, and I likely wouldn't accept a verbal assurance that it's probably only $300, no.
properties that fall through the gaps
Some of the premises that gets left behind is because of selfish owners or occupants at refuses to install NBN. The reality is at these occupants may move on at some point or the owners die. The next party that comes along may then be stuck with an unreasonable installation fee.
@mskeggs: I purchased a sub-divided block of land in an area that had already been rolled out a year earlier. I only had to pay the $300. And mine was not a straightforward install either - I have a 150m long driveway.
I believe once you are on nbn, you can’t go back to copper.
My republic tried to charge an NBN connection fee $69 when signing up to NBN on a fttn connection. Place had already previously been connected so already installed
Tbh, I feel like in the future mobile sims data just keep getting bigger and bigger. I'd probably just end up hotspotting or chucking a 4G modem with a sim card inside to provide the internet. Don't have to deal with any infrastructure nonsense.
For users with modest needs this is likely to be true.
But remember that all you are doing is moving the wireless leg of the network from your wifi to a 4g or 5g link. To offer fast cellular performance the telcos will be rolling out many additional base stations.
Wired networks are much better for people in apartments where wireless interference is an issue, or homes where network performance or volume of data are important.
I’m getting over 200mbit on 4g lte with a cat 6 525 modem from Optus for $189 and same speeds with my. New iPad Pro -11. I can only imagine 5g speeds. Like 800mbits nbn can ossss offf
Can you imagine if everyone jumped on that and you had to share the bandwidth with every household?
Can you imagine if everyone jumped on that and you had to share the bandwidth with every household?
I literally had that problem at my house. A couple of years ago was tired of my dodgy off-net ADSL getting ~1 Mbps, so switched to 4G and was getting ~8 Mpbs.
Over the last 12 months the "speed" experienced has significantly dropped (if not the figures, at least as much) as more people have switched.
What's your data limit?
@UNO: At most he'd be on the 500gb $80/Mo plan. I'm on that too. I get about 80-90Mbps though. Same 525 modem
Not sure if that will be true. 5g has spectrum limitations that will become evident in crowded areas much like WiFi congestion in metro areas or 4g congestion at a football game.
It has greater overall capacity than 4g, and tools to allow priority, so emergency services traffic might have priority over the general public, for example. It doesn't offer unlimited bandwidth.
The NBN is either fibre or potentially upgradable to fibre, which will continue to offer very large bandwidth advantages to wireless.
5g is likely to be adequate for some users, but will be a supplement to fixed line for almost all business users, and most residential.
Remember, 4g already delivers top speeds of 1gbps. If peak possible rate was all that mattered 4g would be adequate.
Whether 5g speeds are "good enough" and cheap enough to kill the NBN probably depends on how fast it rolls out and how well suppliers manage congestion. It will likely be great for early adopters, just like 4g was. But when more users are on the network it will become congested.
I agree that there are some current gaps and that these need to be closed before 5G can be considered as a genuine home internet solution.
That said, when I consider the initial offering from Optus in this respect, it would appear they are basically going to position their 5G network in this way. Others will likely follow.
As ever, there is always the possibility of change between intention and delivery, but I'd be surprised if this does not become the de facto positioning of 5G, especially as we move from our internet being tied to a specific location (i.e. within reach of our home router) to ubiquitous mobile data expectations.
Many users are unaware of their data usage and how they would be better off with some of the current mobile plans available.
YouPornTube streams better on NBN.
For a lot of people (not everyone) mobile data is perfectly good primary way to access the internet.
I think the carriers in particular telstra have made a decision that they would sooner not pay NBN a rental fee and have customers on mobile plans rather than NBN.
Yeah, I currently use the 4G from my phone to play online games on my PC & Xbox because the stability is much better than what I get on the NBN (not helped by heavy downloader housemates).
I suspect you're getting those speeds because your neighbors are no longer sharing the bandwidth. I say, ride the wave as long as you can.
But in this day and age where 4k content becomes more common and where a single game download can be as big as 148gb, those 200 gigs won't last as much as it used to.
Flipping cows, that's huge!
Do We Really Need to Connect to NBN?
Yes, being connect to the NBN is compulsory.
Connecting to the NBN is not compulsory.
Unless:
- you want / need a landline phone (which becomes useless if the internet and/or power is lost); or
- you want / need an internet connection (which cannot be satisfied by an existing or upcoming mobile connection solution)
No it isn't. What he's doing is just fine.
The premises being connected to the NBN is compulsory.
Op may choose to use 4g/5g instead of the NBN.
No, it is not.
@Wardaddy: The user is on a 100/40 plan, he is already on NBN-owned architecture. Telstra/Optus sold their lines to the NBN years ago, the handover has taken its time but with those speeds he is certainly on what is now NBN's equipment. If he were to call for a technician from his ISP, it would be an NBN technician coming out.
@Chewiebacca: What the heck are you talking about? He's not on a 100/40 plan. Did you read the post?
I have Optus 200gb plan which I constantly get 80Mbps/ 37 Mbps speed which I think is much better than 42 Mbps which normally provided by nbn providers.
He's on a fixed mobile service.
If he were to call for a technician from his ISP, it would be an NBN technician coming out.
No, it wouldn't.
No connection to house has been setup for nbn
What else can I tell you?
@Wardaddy: Why are you so sure that the installation of a telecommunications network isn't compulsory?
@whooah1979: Because I know it isn't. No one can force you to sign up to a service you don't want, this is not USSR.
You can elect to have no land communication, as the O.P. has clearly done.
sign up to a service you don't want,
NBN isn't supplying a service. They're a licensed carrier that is constructing an infrastructure. The RSPs are the entities that are supplying the service.
You can elect to have no land communication, as the O.P. has clearly done.
The Telecommunication Act allows customers to make an objection.
The same Act also gives licensed carriers the power to construct low-impact facilities on customer premises that is of national interest.
USSR
The 1950s is lone gone.
NBN isn't supplying a service. They're a licensed carrier that is constructing an infrastructure. The RSPs are the entities that are supplying the service.
Yes they are. They supply a service to RSPs who mark it up and on sell it. I notice that you're conveniently not mentioning the FACT that the O.P. is on fixed mobile with "No connection to house has been setup for nbn"
The Telecommunication Act allows customers to make an objection.
The same Act also gives licensed carriers the power to construct low-impact facilities on customer premises that is of national interest.
Totally irrelevant to the issue at hand.
The 1950s is lone gone.
Presuming you mean long gone, so is 1989, when the wall actually came down.
@Wardaddy: What’s with the aggression? Nowhere in his post does he state he is on a fixed wireless 4G service, he states he is on a 200gb Optus plan giving him speeds in line with a 100/40.
No connection to house has been setup for NBN
Which part of this can't you understand?
@Wardaddy: Looks pretty ambiguous to me, as I stated with the "mix of technologies" from the NBN not everybody realises to extent their NBN 'connection' involves. Very common for people to misinterpret the 'work' needed for connection to NBN, in many cases no visible in-home work is necessary when they are already 'connected' to the NBN over pre-existing infrastructure, as was the case in my own home, where according to nbnco I am NOT on NBN and due to be connected later this year, even though all the equipment I have is NBN supplied. This is all due to how the contracts work for the network infrastructure handover between NBNCo and ISP's, support agreements etc.
Whether OP is on a mobile connection or not is irrelevant, the actual question OP has is no they aren't forced to connect, if they do nothing the physical line (if they have one) will be decommissioned and they'll need to organise connection (I believe at a cost, not certain on this) at a future date if they ever desire one.
No longer interested in conversing with you, your attitude is appalling.
the actual question OP has is no they aren't forced to connect,
NBN won't force OP to connect. What they may do is to send out a notice detailing their intention to connect. The notice may include information like timeframes, the scope of work and other legal information as requested by the legislation.
A technician may then at some point within that timeframe come and construct a lead-in to the premises. This may be done at anytime during normal business hours.
No longer interested in conversing with you,
Thank God!
the actual question OP has is no they aren't forced to connect,
Thank you! That's all I was saying, and what you where arguing against.
I don't want it. It will basically be a backwards step with no benefit for me. You lose your phone line which originally has it's own line and it's own power supply.
New phone will be digital and get piggy backed on to the existing Foxtel/telstra cable, and will need to be powered.
Terrible in emergencies like fires by the way, when power goes out. A joke.
When NBN goes live in a suburb, a timer starts ticking and all copper services will cease 18 months from first 'go live' date.
At that time, your existing phone line will stop working, and you're going to have to migrate to VoIP if you want to keep your number.
$30bn joke indeed
On your last point… you could just use a mobile in that scenario?
Rudd should never have interfered with private industry/investment in the way it did with NBN.
Totally agree. And if you go to cellular, you don't need NBN.
Hmm -2 votes but no answer to my question yet. Why should I switch to NBN? Anyone?
I'm guessing you're being downvoted because you think Rudd is to blame for the shitshow that is current NBN whilst in reality Rudd was in power when NBN was proposed as FTTP and it was not until after he'd left that things changed to FTTN.
@inherentchoice: If the government didn't trigger it the private sector never would have, look at the mess the USA is in with the lack of serious development in their lines.
FTTN turned out to be a more expensive option providing sub-par performance that will need to be replaced within a decade. The only people to benefit from FTTN was Telstra who have made and will continue to make billions from pit access and buying the copper from them.
@hellbound: 5G, OneWeb and Starlink are all on the near horizon. Both FTTP and FTTN may be obsolete in 5 years?
@inherentchoice: 5G will be heavily reliant on NBN, OneWeb and Starlink I can't see ever getting mainstream use, too many problems with satellites. FTTP won't be obsolete till we find something better then fibre-optic at a reasonable price, even then FTTP will have sufficient bandwidth to serve for decades.
@inherentchoice: FTTP uses light to transfer information between locations, unless the current laws of physics are broken nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. This means that FTTP is extremely future proof.
You do realise that 5G uses FTTP?
OneWeb and Starlink replacing FTTN and FTTP? Have you used satellite internet before? I have. Both FTTN and FTTP are superior to satellite internet.
FTTP uses light to transfer information between locations, unless the current laws of physics are broken nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. This means that FTTP is extremely future proof.
That's non sequitur. The linear speed of the signal through the cable isn't relevant to bandwidth. An electrical signal in a copper cable travels at near the speed of light too.
@Scrooge McDuck: Yes it does. The medium used to transfer information has a massive affect on what you can do with it and no electricity does not travel near the speed of light. it travels at 1/100 the speed of light in a copper wire.
Light does not experience resistance. Copper does have internal resistance. This affects the theoretical maximum bandwidth that copper can transfer information over a certain distance. Resistance will also affect latency. I can think of various technologies in R&D right now that would not work on a copper wire internet due to resistance
Yes it does. The medium used to transfer information has a massive affect on what you can do with it…
That wasn't your original point. You just massively moved the goalposts apart because your original point about the linear speed of the signal was wrong.
and no electricity does not travel near the speed of light. it travels at 1/100 the speed of light in a copper wire.
That's wrong too!
See:
| VF (%) | Cable |
|---|---|
| 74–79 | Cat-7 twisted pair |
| 77 | RG-8/U |
| 67 | Optical fiber |
| 65 | RG-58A/U |
| 65 | Cat-6A twisted pair |
| 64 | Cat-5e twisted pair |
| 58.5 | Cat-3 twisted pair |
@Scrooge McDuck: Ok I see how you think I moved the goalposts and I probably have and maybe I should have worded my original post better. My bad, sorry
Yes, you are absolutely correct the speed of light has nothing to do with bandwidth. I stupidly connected latency and the speed of light together when what I really meant to do is to focused on the the advantages of using light to transfer information through glass vs. using radio and microwaves to transfer information through air.
On the issue of signal traveling near the speed of light through copper wiring. Again my bad, sorry
@triviums: Am I dreaming or did someone on the internet just completely acknowledge their mistakes!?
Bravo! This may mark the turning point in human history when we all started to be compassionate with one another to bring about world peace. The young folk will tell tales of your quest.
I'm on the phone to Guinness World Records right now!!1
OK, so I exaggerated for comedic effect, but my sentiments are authentic. Have a great day! :) ↩
@Scrooge McDuck: I did exactly the same thing the other day in regards to the Lunar NY posts. (I didn't realize this wasn't a true Lunar calendar but a Lunisolar calendar). The person was gloating and "looking forward to an apology too". Thing is I'm not responsible for his conduct, only my own, so he got his apology and he can have his gloat if that's what he wants to do.
I would link to it, but as it's you Scrooge I know you are an expert at looking up my history.
Even if you're not gracious, insisting you are right when you have clearly been PROVEN wrong only makes you look like a true idiot. I have no idea why people willingly do that. The right thing to do is thank the person for correcting you.
@inherentchoice: It's virtually impossible for FTTP to be obsolete, what's faster than light travelling through fibre optics?
@greater mimic: If we're talking about bandwidth which is the relevant measure and not the linear speed of the signal (wave propagation speed), then an answer is 2, 3, 4, etc optical fibres.
To focus on the linear speed of the signal demonstrates an enormous lack of understanding of telecommunications. The signal needs to be switched to send data. If we all only needed to receive 1 bit it would be a different story.
When people talk about internet speed they really mean the flow rate of data. That is called bandwidth and is measured in bits per second. Speed (such as the linear speed of the signal) is measured in metres per second and is a completely different measurement.
@greater mimic: Light travelling through the vacuum of space is faster than light travelling through silicon dioxide. By comparison, light going through the fibres only has about 60% to 70% of the speed.
Plus with a satellite constellation in low Earth orbit you get far shorter and more direct paths than going via the submarine cables, which only make landfall at certain places (i.e. currently only Sydney and Perth in Australia)
@inherentchoice: Re: a constellation of LEO satellites. Yes, but, that problem has largely been solved already by content delivery networks (CDNs). When I watch Netflix, for example, it comes from a server in Sydney, not the US. If SpaceX can do a decent bandwidth uplink, and mesh networking with latency as good as they claim, it will be of interest to financial traders and gamers though.
@inherentchoice: Yeah leaving it to private industry and not letting taxpayers subsidise/government guarantee a profit is a great idea…
Not… telstra refused to build a fttn network because the government wouldn't guarantee it would make a profit from it
ADSL and traditional landline telephone services will cease 18 months after nbn is declared ready for service. https://www.telstra.com.au/support/category/broadband/nbn/do…
But you know that already and you're happy with 4/5G and mobile calls, so there isn't a reason to switch. Just enjoy your high speed ADSL until it dies.
According to the NBN website, the disconnection date for the old phone and internet network in my area has not been confirmed yet. Might hold out for longer than 18 months, will see.
@inherentchoice: You will find more precise ready-for-service and disconnection dates from Telstra Wholesale if you know your NBN Rollout Identifier.
Firstly, as Alvian says, you will need to switch as ADSL and conventional landline is being phased out.
But I suggest you change to NBN now, not in 18 months.
Your total cost for internet and phone is $40 plus line rental, the cheapest Telstra line rental is Telstra Voice Light at $19.95. So your true cost is at least $60 per month.
At this price point, you can get unlimited downloads at up to 50 MBPS depending on your line, with free VOIP.
Like you, I was very resistant to NBN as my Dodo ADSL was cheap at $30/month, but when I realised that we were on an expensive Telstra line rental plan (with two lines at $49 each), it was a no-brainer to change to NBN. I actually got a 50 MBPS 500GB NBN plan with VOIP for $55/month. Only getting speeds of 40 MBPS due to line limitations, but it's 3 times faster and a third of the price of what we had before.
Your total cost for internet and phone is $40 plus line rental
No I'm getting ADSL including line rental for only $40 per month.
@KingJuf: Exetel. 100 GB limit but no excess charges they just throttle speed I think. I don't think they offer it to new customers any more.
I reside in a unit situation and have been told by our lift maintenance company, that to conform to safety standards we need to install new equipment for NBN communication in our lift at the cost of about $2600 to the Body Corp …… what a bloody RIPOFF this whole NBN saga is!!
Anybody have similar situations and have any alternatives?
Thanks for any feedback.
I don't think there is any alternative from the lift communications requirement (unless the lift maintenance company were to go with a 4G or 5G solution). I assume that there is a back-up for the lift in the case of loss of electricity supply, which should cover the comms as well. Otherwise you could be stuck in your lift, with no power and no comms to raise the alarm.
I'm in similar situation. What a rip off indeed. It also has annual $500 fee for check up and 4g plans.
I'm opting to put a sign use at your own risk.
Look forward to see cases of dead bodies on the lifts before someone acts.
Ignore NBN and go cellular is an alternative.
Not gonna work, no mobile signal on lift. The fee is to setup wiring from a mobile phone location that can receive signal to the lift
FTTP quotes on Whirlpool via Technology Choice Program (Received FTTN/HFC and want FTTP) are $4500 + $12.50/m, ontop of a fee just for the quote regardless of whether you proceed or not.
$2600 is cheap assuming you get FTTP to your apartment.
Or is this just for the lift..?
I thought Technology Choice required an only one-off fee. What is $12.50/m?
It's a $600 non refundable fee just for quoting and then a massive fee of at least $4500 to go ahead.
$12.50/m to nearest node or pit.
Here are existing quotes courtesy of Whirlpool
https://goo.gl/YfbdSv
Politicians (liberals) quote of $2250 for TCP is exactly half of the actual cost… Not including the fibre cost
The $2600 is probably just for a battery-backed VoIP box (and installation) for the lift's emergency phone. It's a rip-off, but that's what you get when you've signed an exclusive service contract.
I'm getting 8mbps on my ADSL 2+.
Is this bad?
adsl2+ max theoretical speed = 25Mbps
So, 20Mbps for best case scenario
Further away from exchange station = lower the speed
Also, shit copper condition = lower speed / affects stability
ADSL2+ Annex M is available from many carriers (Telstra included), which is 30/2
I was getting 28/1.5 actual speed out of it when I was using it.
Just an FYI :)
Annex M is only for increasing upload speeds.
It doesn't provide higher than 24Mbps downstream.
I was getting 28/1.5
That is amazing seeing that ADSL+M downstream max out at 24Mbps .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asymmetric_digital_subscriber_…
That's good by my standards.
My ADSL2+ maxes out at 700kbs.
From the time NBN is available in your area they set the decommission date for 12-18 months for the old lines. Once that date hits you will have to switch. Check the NBN address checker if they've set a date for your house yet for decommission.
More precise ready-for-service and disconnection dates are available from Telstra Wholesale if you have your NBN Rollout Identifier.
I second looking up your identifier (google vocus nbn identifier check for your identifier number, ctrl+f your identifier on the telstrawholesale rollout pdf and check your disconnection date)
5G will kill it in speed and make it almost redundant. Potential 2Gbit speed. TPG and Telstra. Epic waste of money.
Wow, 2Gbit speed so long as I'm right next to the tower, which I'm sure will have great coverage and be available! Sounds amazing. So long as I don't want anything reliable at all times it'll be great. Although I am thinking maybe it would be nice to just have good fast speeds consistently.
You will not need to pay for setup at any point for nbn, unless your house is required to pay the $300 new development fee (this is required from all new developments regardless of when you connect to the nbn).