Love watching the women's league. As tough as it gets too. Enjoy :)
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It's going to do much better now that TA has promoted it. :)
West Perth had a bit of a shocker last year on account of their financial woes but overall the league seems to be doing fairly well.
Not sure what that has to do with the AFLW though?
There's a reason why its free
They really wanted to call it the AWFL.
FLAW
Thanks for the reminder.
That may well be it. And its free.
35 matches in a whole season. Such a joke.
I'd rather watch under 17's than women.
Is that even legal?
@Griffindinho: I'm genuinely surprised that men would be better a sport that was originally created by men, for men. Really.
@Binchicken22: I don't think that any sports that are played globally were invented exclusively by women, so I don't have an answer for that.
I guess I don't really understand why there's this constant need to measure men playing sport vs. women playing sport and argue over who is better.
If you look at sports like gymnastics or figure skating, there is much more interest in the women's versions yet pay for men and women in the sports is reasonably equal. The men do their program which is generally more physical and strength based whereas the women have a more artistic and graceful focus. They're two quite distinct skill sets but they come under the same banner, and you rarely see any gender trying to claim superiority over the other. There's just an acceptance that each gender brings their own flavour to the discipline. It just seems strange to me that this ethos can't be embraced in other sports.
It just seems strange to me that this ethos can't be embraced in other sports.
Because of identity politic extremists some people are pretending that women are the same as men.
Literally like they're crazy people ignoring all the evidence that says otherwise.
This has led to some terrible outcomes for women such as allowing transgender men into women's sport despite the large disadvantage women have as a group compared to men as a group thanks to larger muscle mass and biomechanical advantages that come through skeletal structure.
@Diji1: I understand that you needed to vent, but what you wrote has literally nothing to do with the point that I was making.
@Pantagonist: Prize money is reasonably equal for both mens and womens figure skating, but aside from high profile skaters like Brian Boitano, women earn far more money through endorsements than men.
@Pantagonist: "I guess I don't really understand why there's this constant need to measure men playing sport vs. women playing sport and argue over who is better."
I guess because sports is all about playing to see who is better + some people argue men and women are the same.
@MementoMori: Let's look at the conversation starters in this deal.
- Sarcasm about how well the women's competition must be going
- The women's game is a joke because they only play 35 games in the season
- The women's game can die in the ass because it's just a virtue signalling exercise
- Women will never reach pay parity because the tickets are free
- The women's game will make ticket prices rise for the men's game because people are trying to force it to be sustainable
I could go on, but I'm not seeing too many people coming out and saying "the women are equal to the men" or "screw the men's game, girls rule!".
It's pretty clear what the general tone is, and it's not edifying in the slightest.
@Pantagonist: The women are getting a larger cut of the gate than the men. Is there another sport where that is happening? Just asking.
@DavRo: Does a larger cut of the gate mean a they get to share in a larger cut of the ticket sales? How does that work when entry is free?
@Pantagonist: Sports were invented to showcase the very best (strongest, fastest etc) of humans. These just usually happen to always be males. It isn't about sports being invented for men…but that most sport lends itself to showcasing men better given their physical prowess.
If you want equality of sport…go play chess…or figure skating given you brought it up…which as you have rightly explained offers a sport that allows power vs artistry to be showcased both at once. (this being said I don't know much about this or watch it at all)
Which leads to the next point….women are constantly compared to men. There are two points to this:
WOMEN are demanding equal pay even though their sports don't attract high viewing..and in such, $$ gains to the sport and clubs. Sports isn't about equal pay. Sports is a business…and all business values those that make it more money. It's why sales people are on commission and why if you make more for the company you make more for yourself…regardless of whether you are male or female. The same goes for footy…or cricket…or any other sport. Most females sport doesn't get high views…nor actual game attendance. It's simple economics. Logic even (GASP).
Identity politics AND WOMEN are demanding that females are equal and on parity to men physically and in sports. Well blow me. If this is the case then lets not even have gender specific codes. If this is the case then their sports would be incredibly interested and people would go to them without the need for tickets to be free. Games would last as long as mens, courses would be as long, conditions would be the same.
Females are no, and will never be equal to men on the sports field in most sports. And so…if I had the choice of paying money to watch the very very best of any sport…or a sub part group of people…which do you think I would pay for?
If you asked me to pay the same for a meal at fine dining, or a food court meal (and I'm not suggesting the disparity between men and women is this large…just as an extreme example) then which do you think I would pay for…or anyone for that matter?
Not even women are supporting the AFLW. Imagine if all females that went said…no…we don't want this for free…we want to pay and support womens sport….imagine if women everywhere decided to sit down and watch the AFLW at home…instead of Farmer wants a Wife or Married at First Sight instead to support and justify the code.
Just imagine.
You have gone off about people explaining to you why womens sport is compared to mens and dismissed their responses. You are a typical SJW that expects equality of outcome, instead of accepting that equality of opportunity is as much as should be given…and allow the market to dictate what is relevant.
Not all sports are going to be interested and exciting as two gender codes. Fact. Do I want to see men playing netball? Not really. Do I want to see syncronised mens swimming? Not really. Am I happy to watch womens MMA….yes. Am I happy to watch womens netball…yes.
Back to your point….figure skating has the ability to offer two very different skill sets to be showcased. Football doesn't. Football is a tough hard sport. There is no room in it for artistic expression. Win. At all costs within the rules. SImple. Men can run, hit, kick harder and faster. And so why on earth would anyone happily sit down and pretend to themselves that they are watching the very best playing..which there is an obviously much better group of individuals and teams playing?
So if you feel strongly about equal pay for women. Go to each game. Pay for a ticket. Sit down and watch every game. Talk live and breath football at home, at work and socially…like so many guys do…and maybe you might just get it.
@Pantagonist: Interesting….makes you wonder why no sports have been invented by women or for women. Perhaps because men are generally more competitive physically and need an avenue to vent this?
Perhaps instead of complaining that all sports were created by men for men women should, in the interest of equality of opportunity, create a sport specifically to offer an advantage to women?
I mean after all, if we believe everything being shoved down our throats, women are equal to men in every way.
@Joey Jo Jo: Bloody women ay?
Always focusing on trivial things like feeding the next generation of humans when they should be doing things that matter like getting better at kicking a ball around a grass patch for 80 minutes.
@Pantagonist: 1) No one legally forces anyone to have children.
2) Many men also raise (sometimes by themselves) children.So, what exactly is your point?
@PainToad: My point is that equating breastfeeding to competitive sport is ridiculous.
One serves a point to nurture a human life, the other… well, I'm not so sure what its purpose is.
You could just as easily replace breastfeeding with single fathers raising kids and the above statement would still be true.
@Pantagonist: I'm not sure you saw the context of my comment reply and understood the tone in which it was delivered. You seem a but precious so I won't state any facts about there only being two genders.
@Joey Jo Jo: "I won't state any facts because you're precious."
States the "fact" in the next sentence with no further detail.
I'm the precious one? Either put what you know on the table for scrutiny or admit you're just trolling.
@Pantagonist: You can't handle being told why women are being compared to men and dismiss every response…and then get your back up about being called precious.
But you aren't.
Back in your SJW box.
@Pantagonist: And what exactly is the deadline to replying to? What self imposed time frame exists for me to reply to your comments?
And if the best you can do as a reply is to comment on the time frame then your arguments are pretty weak.
But then it's typical to not argue the points and go after something like grammar or spelling…or in this case…a time frame.
@Lv80: Oh, there's no deadline. I'm just commenting on the fact that you haven't brought anything to the discussion that wasn't already discussed two weeks ago when there were actually a few people talking about stuff.
As there's no back and forth that's been occurring it's actually difficult to know which of my posts you're replying to. Basically this discussion has done it's dash as far as anyone being able to convince anyone else about their point of view, so I'm not really interested in kicking it off again.
That, and the fact that you've misconstrued my argument and thrown around the SJW epithet before I've even had a chance to respond makes me think that my time would be better spent doing something other than engaging with you.
Feel free to keep shouting into the void though.
@Some Human: I think on ESPN 4 they have Competitive Shopping as a 3 day event.
My Mrs is entering the draft for next year, and is always training for it…. like religiously. Such dedication.
She'll go number 1 in the draft for sure.
@Pantagonist: Complaining that men are better at sports that men allegedly invented. Last time I checked, there was no barrier of entry to creating a new sport.
35 too much in my opinion
Women's AFL can finally die in the ass now that the novelty is over and people don't get virtue points for vocally supporting it anymore.
This is probably the only way they'll get people to the games.
35 matches too many
Perhaps try going to a game? It's actually pretty fun to watch live, the women play hard (get away with hits the men never would), and the environment at the older footy grounds is great.
Or stay on OzBargain and vent about how you hate a sport that has no impact on your life
If Australian rules football is so great why haven't other countries adopted it?
Because Australia…rules?
@chonkie: Haha the sport is last on the pecking order behind sokkah in Australia's largest city of Sydney.
So because half of Australia… rules?@chonkie: Rugby is called rugby because it's from the town of rugby. It expanded and became a world game because its worth playing and watching. My point is that our international teams aren't performing as well as they used to. Cricket, Rugby Union and Netball are all perfect examples. I'd hate to think the AFL is drawing more talented youth to their one country sports while bleeding the ones that matter dry. It's easy to expand when you have no international team to pay and cater for
Or other states?
@FindMeADeal: So spend money on them rather than paying israel folau stupid amounts of money to not give a toss. He could have been contributing to the Wallabies success in those years he was at GWS
If soccer, basketball, baseball, etc are so great why are they less adopted than footy in Australia?
HINT: IT’S MOSTLY FOR THE SAME REASON@chymb: Soccer is bigger than AFL in some regions of Australia, big regions too - like Sydney, Australia's biggest city. AFL is the dominant code of where less than 45% of the population reside
@chymb: That in 150 years AFL only has a following in half of one country because it's a terrible product
@Joey Jo Jo: Nope, have you still not worked out the reason? Are you not the person disparaging others for “lack of IQ”?
@chymb: Haha okay tell us then why in over 150 years AFL only has a seriously following in less than half of one country?
You just have to go in with the mind frame that 30 odd of the girls have never seen or played aussie rules before. then you won't be disappointed.
What's enjoyable about watching people who've never seen or played a sport before? I'd be disappointed…
Lol getting negged for speaking a truth
Yup…take up a sport for a preseason…then expect and demand to be paid the same as people that have spend their entire life finessing and building the skills to play against the very very best in that specific competition.
Discount tickets aren't gonna promote equal pay any time soon 😂
Equal pay when the participants have equal performance and skills.
Do male Netball players get paid the same as female Netball players? No. Because they’re no as good.
Women tennis players get the same as their male counterparts
Yes that's mainly due to feminist pressure and trying to look good, they aren't really at the same level as male players. The #1 women's player wouldn't beat any man in the men's top 200.
@Binchicken22: To the anonymous "negger", straight from Wikipedia regarding the Williams sisters who are probably the most dominant players in women's tennis history.
"1998: Karsten Braasch vs. the Williams sisters Edit
Another event dubbed a "Battle of the Sexes" took place during the 1998 Australian Open[52] between Karsten Braasch and the Williams sisters. Venus and Serena Williams had claimed that they could beat any male player ranked outside the world's top 200, so Braasch, then ranked 203rd, challenged them both. Braasch was described by one journalist as "a man whose training regime centered around a pack of cigarettes and more than a couple bottles of ice cold lager".[53][52] The matches took place on court number 12 in Melbourne Park,[54] after Braasch had finished a round of golf and two shandies. He first took on Serena and after leading 5–0, beat her 6–1. Venus then walked on court and again Braasch was victorious, this time winning 6–2.[55] Braasch said afterwards, "500 and above, no chance". He added that he had played like someone ranked 600th in order to keep the game "fun".[56] Braasch said the big difference was that men can chase down shots much easier, and that men put spin on the ball that the women can't handle. The Williams sisters adjusted their claim to beating men outside the top 350"
Women tennis players get the same as their male counterparts
Equal pay, with less court time. The gender pay gap is real.
@aja12: In ATP and WTA events both men and women play best of 3 sets.
In Grand Slam ITF events men play 5 and women play 3.
The WTA has been campaigning for game number equality in Grand Slams for a while now but the ITF president and the 4 chairs of the major tournament don't want to change the format. See here for an overview. From 1984 to 1998 the final WTA tournament was best of 5 but I'm not sure why that changed.
Tennis is a weird game when it comes to gender politics. There's still a lot of the old guard around who fundamentally don't like the idea of women getting too hot and sweaty because it's unladylike, and some of the rules and standards tend to follow suit.
@Pantagonist: It’s actually more to do with the difficulty in fitting the matches into a limited number of hours and courts. If women played best of 5, they wouldnt be able to complete all matches in the first days of a grand slam. That said, I’d like to see women play best of 5 sets. It’s not fair on the men who have to work much longer for the same prize money.
It’s not fair on the men who have to work much longer for the same prize money.
But haven’t you been reading these comments? Men are “physically superior”
That’s exactly why players that win 6-0 6-0 6-0 should get less. :eyeroll:
But the players who would only need to win 6-0, 6-0 in that same scenario should be paid the same as the players who had to play an extra set to achieve the same outcome?
I'm fairly certain a men's netball team can beat the ladies. The issue is the money in netball go to women so they're paid better, and that's fine by me.
Players in any sport are paid basically for what money they bring for the team or the sport.
Whilst I agree to an extent, people need to get over this idea that sports players are paid on "skill", or how much time they spend training, they aren't, they are paid on marketability, kind of like actors.
E.g The top 10 squash players in the world would get paid bugger all compared to tennis players, however I'm sure they still put in just as much time and effort training.
The game just doesn't make as much money commercially, you can say the same about most women's Sports but somehow that all of a sudden becomes offensive…
Men not as good? Jeez, there are plenty of male NBA players throughout history who can touch the ring without jumping, Manute Bol, height 2.31m armspan 2.59m! as an example. Put him in netball and the opposition would NEVER score.
The Australian men's netball team would beat the Australian women's netball team anytime, anywhere. The reason the women get paid more is because the paying audience would prefer to watch women play.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-30/launch-of-2019-aflw-s…
"For McLachlan and Livingstone, sustainability is the key word going forward."
Eg: AFL ticket prices will rise to make this sustainable whether anyone wants this or not.
Don't really care for footy at all tbh, but if the Bombers ever get a team I'll head down some time (for free) and take the 3 year old daughter for something to do.
Shouldn't the money go towards growing the game internationally so we actually have someone to play against?
The first VFL season was in 1897. If after 122 years no other country has taken it up, I think it's fair to say that no one else is interested.
Most people north of nsw arent interested either
It is a pity AFL didnt take off in Europe instead of soccer. You could actually care about the World Cup. We would however still probably be 350th in the world or what ever we are.
Surely we could rank above the Solomon islands?
Lol AFL taking off in Europe when it's behind sokkah in Sydney. Classic stuff there mate.
The WAFL must be doing well then.