Renting Help: Finding a Family Safe Suburb in Sydney

Hi there people,

I am in a dilemma as to which area to choose for renting a house for myself. We are a couple with a newborn baby currently in Ryde. I work in City (Moore Park) and drive to work, my wife works in CBD. Given the rising baby budget, our renting budget is restricted to $450 (max$500) a week. We are looking for a 3+ bedroom house with 2 toilets( yes that's rare!).
I was looking into regions around Campbelltown , Narellan. Then a friend suggested Kellyville region, but I found it costly in terms of paying 3 tolls to drive till city. I want a safe neighbourhood and close to markets(malls) so my wife, when on leave, can walk or take bus. She doesn't know driving.

It would be great to get some suggestions.
Why we want a house you ask? Honestly hate the tiny apartments (our budget can afford). So much long a lawn and a spacious house.

Thanks!

Comments

  • We are looking for a 3+ bedroom house with 2 toilets

    You have three people, one of them a newborn, renting in Ryde. I can't imagine needing an extra room solely because of having a newborn (he/she would be sleeping with you for now anyway).

    Why the heck do you even need to change accommodation at all, much less need a 3-bedder house with 2 toilets? And especially why are you looking to relocate further from work and mod-cons?

    • +1

      Because my wife's parents will be coming over to stay with us for like an year. Plus we have relatives / friends coming over now and then. We are looking at living there for like at least 5 years may be or Until we can afford our own place in that same / nearby region of renting.

      • +3

        Ah. That's relevant information. In any case, I'd look around where you are now, or closer to City (that'd be hard though). But certainly no further. As RandomNinja says, you're already going to be short on free time with the newborn, adding an extra 2+hrs to your commute won't be fun at all.

        Beware of houses that are too old though, or ones that are below market rentals, because there might be a catch whether in the condition of the property, or otherwise (like the one linked - only 6 months).

        • Thanks HighAndDry. No body wants to reduce their family time really. I need to find the best middle ground (literally).
          So No old houses (check)

          • +1

            @rubensfredrick: Check out this one. It was last sold in '93, so not new, but it's a duplex so it also can't be that old.

            https://www.domain.com.au/2-45a-terry-road-eastwood-nsw-2122…

            Bonus: It's close to the station so public transport could be an option to the city. Not sure if it's affected by the latest train line closures along the north though.

            Otherwise, check this search link:

            https://www.domain.com.au/rent/ryde-nsw-2112/house/?bedrooms…

            And just cycle through different suburbs (it's on Ryde at the moment) with max rentals of $550 to catch ones slightly above your budget that you could possibly negotiate down.

            • +4

              @HighAndDry: HighAndDry Eastwood / Epping are definitely good areas, I too have considered. But again getting a house there in budget is another story. I will keep a lookout though.
              Thanks

              • @rubensfredrick: If you want a house which i say as it is easier to hang and wash clothes look at Blacktown. Growing suburb, good shops good place to eat, near everything and express train. u can get one on the south side westfield side for about 350-400 a house 3 bedroom.

                Rent as cheap as you can to save up for a place even if it means overlooking a few things. but I got to admit blacktown is pretty safe

                edit its close access to the motorways as well.

                • @George Washington: Thanks!
                  But those few things to overlook are the one's I want to consider. I would continue to research though around the area.

  • There are options within budget that aren't far from where you are now if you're willing to accept an older home eg: https://www.realestate.com.au/property-house-nsw-putney-4248…

    Moving from Ryde to Kellyville or Campbelltown will dramatically increase your commute and take away from your personal time with the family. Have you considered this in your decision?

    • Wow! Can't believe you found that! Though it's a 6 month only. We are looking to live in the place for like 5+years.

      Of course if I can find something nearer, I couldn't be more happy. But the sad truth is, it's rare. So I need to know my options. The commute from Ryde is about 1hr. I reckon living in those areas and taking motorways would only increase it by say 20-30min. I still have a few months to move.
      So knowing which is good among those areas would be helpful. Thanks

      • +3

        So knowing which is good among those areas would be helpful.

        At the risk of being insensitive to people who live there, nothing in the (very, wide) vicinity of Campbelltown is what I'd personally, just myself and subjectively, consider "family-friendly". I'd go further north than west/south.

        • +1

          That's exactly the kind of honest opinions I am looking for.
          Of course everyone have their preferences and story, no offence to any one in any area.

          In general people do say North is always better

        • +9

          Cheap, safe, convenient.

          Pick two.

          • @[Deactivated]:

            Pick two.

            Sorry I thnk I am missing a point here?

            • +3

              @rubensfredrick: It's the proverbial compromise. You can never find something that fulfils every criteria.

              • +3

                @[Deactivated]: Oh I get it now. I read the two lines out of context. Sorry :P

                Hmm true, I think I would pick cheap and safe (until we earn enough to switch to convenience! )

          • +7

            @[Deactivated]: in Sydney, you will be lucky to pick two

    • +2

      With a specified 6 month lease I suspect this might on the knock down rebuild train that is going through (or to go through) Council. OP might want to take that into consideration as well.

      • also because of that, anything broken will not be fixed (unless it's an emergency).

  • +3

    Tell your inlaws to rent a place for 12 months and tell your family and friends to stay in a hotel when they visit. You don't need a big place for a family of 3.

    • +5

      I suspect OP's wife's parents are coming to help them take care of the newborn, seeing as how OP and wife are still working and considering their commute. In that case… it kind of does behoove OP to at least take care of accommodation and food for them.

      • +1

        Did I mention they coming from overseas! Sorry about that but renting another place for them is not an option. Yes with parents at home, wife can start working back sooner than anticipated.

        • +4

          Yeah. You can say I'm 'culturally familiar' with that kind of arrangement haha. Yeah - that makes a lot more sense that they help you look after the grandkids and so the least you can do is not let it cost them any extra to do it.

  • Do you need to drive to Moore Park? Is public transport an option?

    • Yes I can use public Transport, just a bit more cumbersome as any suburb bus / train goes till Central / Town hall. I then need to walk to a different stop and change bus and again a lot of walking. Will end up taking more time than driving!

      • What about somewhere like Parramatta? Lots of units and express trains to central - get out and jump on a bus to moore park is probably a 45 min trip.

        • What about somewhere like Parramatta?

          True onemanclan but again no offence to the wonderful people in those areas, we personally are not very fond of Parramatta region.

          • +9

            @rubensfredrick: you aren't fond of Parramatta but thinking of Campbeltown? I fail to see the logic!

            • @enzioFirenze: Because I haven't been to Campbelltown so I am not aware of the environment / issues there. That's why asking around

          • +1

            @rubensfredrick: If you just tell us what ethnicities you most want to avoid it would make this game easier…

            (Alternately, what is it about Parra that you feel is worse than Ryde?)

            • +1

              @abb: I don't want to avoid any ethinicity! That would be racism. It's a cultural mix, our world, and I love it that way!

              Parrammata on the other hand (for me) is more conjusted and messy/dirty than say Ryde. It may be an amazing place, no offence. But we don't seem to fit in there.

              What I gathered from renting websites is which areas come in my budget. What I want to understand from this forum is what areas are worth doing that budget!

              • @rubensfredrick: Fair enough! Parramatta seems good to me but I've never lived there, and my main experience of Ryde is Top Ryde (and A3 traffic jams) which has probably given me a worse impression than reality…

                A lot of people when they ask about 'what suburbs to avoid' is often thinly veiled racism, good to hear it doesn't apply to you, sorry for jumping to conclusions!

                • @abb: No worries at all. Ryde does have jam packed traffic but luckily I don't need to encounter it. Have a separate secret route lets just say! Otherwise overall it has a young vibe to it. North Ryde is still better. In the markets / streets you see young couples/families with kids more.
                  We woudn't be leaving it if it had a house in our budget.

  • +1

    How about rosehill, i think it ticks all your boxes and is a great place to live albeit a bit far from train stations but seeing you will be driving to work that won't matter much. I just did a quick search and found this 1 for you. or there are some more better options in surrounding areas as per below.
    option 1
    option 2
    option 3
    option 4

    • How about rosehill

      Thanks for that. Will research more about the area and keep in my list of probables.

    • there are some more better options in surrounding areas as per below.

      Thanks for those too. I am more interested in knowing how are these areas to live in. I have heard Rydalmere is one of the best suburbs in Sydney!

      • Rydalmere, Rosehill, Dundas and even Oatlands are all great areas to live in generally but you will need to go there and check out the street and neighbours as even in good areas there are shady street

        • Rydalmere, Rosehill, Dundas and even Oatlands are all great areas to live in generally but you will need to go there and check out the street and neighbours as even in good areas there are shady street

          Will do that. Thanks a lot :)

          • @rubensfredrick: If you're thinking (very) long-term, great area for schools, so long as you're not set on private schools.

            • @HighAndDry: You really think a guy lookout out for budget housing will be able to afford private education!

              I think I need to research good public school areas as well before finalising on living areas. Good point there.

  • I am a huge fan of the Westmead area (I am renting here myself). Close to transport - close enough to Parramatta without being too close (if you know what I mean), great schools, hospital is nearby and a lot of people in my complex work at the hospital as either Doctors or support staff, and just generally friendly environment.

    • I can second Westmead, I live there as well but finding a 3-bedroom house with 2 bathrooms under 500 per week will be a bit harder so I did not mention it before

    • I am a huge fan of the Westmead area

      I can consider that. But I think that's mostly apartments. I was looking for a house. Any good areas around Westmead then with houses.

      • Maybe try Wentworthville?
        Or even a larger 3 bedder with a courtyard in Westmead might do the trick.

        • Maybe try Wentworthville?

          Will keep an eye out. But hard to get a rentable place there.
          Thanks!

  • +2

    If you don't wanna kill yourself, do not live in campbelltown area and drive to work, the M5 trip itself would be a nightmare trip for you especially during peak hours..unless you work odd hours there's no way that you can be home on time and enjoy the family time.

    They've got cheap houses for sure but it only works if you opt for public transport, so forget about looking into that area if you are planning to drive. Moore park is sort of a disaster place to work (no offense) only because you can only get there by bus/ car which means you looking at stuck in traffic or deal with 2 or more public transport combination per trip.

    Go for Glenfield, Macquarie Field or Holsworthy at least they have an express line during peak hours.

    • tightpocket I see where you coming from.

      If you don't wanna kill yourself, do not live in campbelltown area and drive to work

      A very legit argument. But then I have heard Macquarie field is one of those areas to avoid. ?

      Moore park is sort of a disaster place to work (no offense)

      Again I totally feel you. But at this point I am looking to change house not job :P.
      That is why I want to look at options that can be comfortable to drive from. A friend did suggest me Quakers hill - rouse hill region. Close to both commute options!

      • Macquarie Field is one of those area where you just there to sleep and work, not as lively as Ryde where you have big shopping centre.

        If you keen to drive, I think south west area should do it.. think somewhere like Campsie, Bankstown, Revesby, Cabramatta…houses are still decent on these areas and still relatively cheaper considering the accessibility. close to transport and easy access to M5.

        • Macquarie Field is one of those area where you just there to sleep and work, not as lively as Ryde where you have big shopping centre.

          Just the opposite extreme of what I want then!

    • +4

      The M5 trip wouldn't need to kill you, enough bogans to take care of that themselves

      • So which trip is worst. M5 from Campbelltown or M7>M2>M1 from northwest regions

        • +3

          Both are terrible.

          • @mskeggs: mskeggs Well going by that, commute in general to City is terrible. But I have to choose the better option!

            • +2

              @rubensfredrick: I would choose a railway commute and walk/bus and eventually light rail your last bit.
              Dramatically more pleasant than traffic if you can avoid the peak crowds.
              It would suit your spouse too.

              In terms of safety, 95% of Sydney is fine for your purposes. You aren’t going to be out at 2am booze barns or getting into knife fights with then unemployed teens at the bus shelter.

              • @mskeggs:

                Dramatically more pleasant than traffic if you can avoid the peak crowds.

                Sadly my office is in peak hours, but given the mutliple public transport changing I need to do, I reach office faster by raod. Having said that, I would always compare my travel time and convenience from whichever place I will consider.

                You aren’t going to be out at 2am booze barns or getting into knife fights with then unemployed teens at the bus shelter.

                Definitely not! But then there areas that just give you a good friendly vibe, while others make you run and never look back!

        • +1

          The M5 is horrible approaching the city at peak. I usually travel west along there at about 7am… the east bound lane is usually a crawl approaching the M5 tunnel. Not unusual for the the jam to start at The River rd.

          The M2 seems less congested to me… but I don't use that route regularly. But the train between Epping and Chatswood is out of commission for the next year… so I'd expect traffic to get much worse for at least that period.

          • @onevstheworld: yes that has just closed down for 7 months. I am willing to ignore that though in long run. Currently I take the M2 on my daily commute from Ryde (via Hunters Hill)

  • There is a new metro line in north-west Sydney. Starting near the Ponds, through Kellyville and Castle Hill and into Chatswood. I assume any house near the stations would be perfect!

    • Now that puts things into entirely new perspective!
      Any idea though when will it be funcitonal.

      • 1 May 2019.

      • I have friends who just moved to The Ponds area. They really like it. Lots of parks. Good access to schools. Close to shops. Most of the houses are very new, but I think they pay closer to $600 for a 3 bed 2 bath.

        • I think I have heard similar about Ponds. I think we will probably drive around that entire area once to get a better understanding. I am sure I can find house around for 500 as well.
          Thanks for the info!

          • @rubensfredrick: Ponds tend to be on the expensive side but Stanhope Gardens is pretty much next to it and I guess you have already said you have found something in Stanhope Gardens in your Budget

  • There's public housing insterspersed in some parts of the Campbelltown region so avoid suburbs like Ambarvale, Airds, Claymore and Minto. As long as you're not in these public housing areas it should be fine. There's some "dodgy" looking people in the Campbelltown CBD(generally the housos from the suburbs mentioned before) but they're not harmful. More the type who would ask for a cigarette. But there really is no need to go the Campbelltown CBD. Macarthur Square, the major shopping centre in the area, has everything and is family friendly.

    I would say Blair Athol would be the best option for a family in the Campbelltown Area. The new estate, Macarthur Heights near WSU doesn't seem to bad either. The only problem with Macarthur Heights is that since it's a new estate, it's overpriced.

    Narellan tends to be nicer than Campbelltown BUT it's not on the train line and Narellan Rd is terrible.

    For places closer to the CBD in the Southwest, there's places like Glenfield, Holsworthy, Revesby and Panania.

    If I had to choose between Kellyville Area and the Campbelltown Area though, I would go for Kellyville. This is assuming the same budget(but I suspect Kellyville will be more exxy?). Kellyville still has some of the vibe(?) of nearby Baulkham Hills/Castle Hill. So that's a plus.

    • Mamba Mentality
      That was a really deep insight and good suburb descriptions in short.
      So I gather from your message that Macarthur region is better than Campbelltown side. I have been checking Blair Athol as well, it's hard to even find a rent house.

      Narellan tends to be nicer than Campbelltown BUT it's not on the train line and Narellan Rd is terrible.

      Do you mean the traffic is bad on the road ?

      but I suspect Kellyville will be more exxy?

      Kellyville on the other hand is a bit costly but I could still find a budget house here and there. More likely though in stanhope Gardens, Kellyville ridge, Glenwood region. (Hope they are equally welcoming)

      I am now bending towards this region I feel.

  • Have you consider area like berala, auburn, meerylands and around? You can easily find a 3 bedroom house for less than $500 and close to shopping center/ train / buses?!

    • Yes I have driven around Auburn area. Again no offense to the residents, but to me it gives me an industrial vibe, I don't get a homely feeling walking the sreets.

      • Got what you mean. Personnally, i prefer suburb like hurstville or five docks/concord where the major road is fun to walk at night time. Good luck to find what you looking for that budget and all the things you want.

  • Why you want drive mate? U can take bus from Baulkham Hill/Kellyville area

    • I checked, bus from Kellyville takes 2 hrs for me till my work place. (includes at least 2 change ) while Car ride takes 45min-1hr.
      I don't work in CBD, so I need to add my additional commute in the equation as well. While the harbour tunnel exits just next to moore park.

      • +1

        That's the Eastern distributor that exits near Moore Park. Lucikly no toll going south, but knowing our government they'll cave to something soon and a two-way ED toll will be enforced.

  • +2

    Interesting

    Can I question your priorities? / play devils advocate…

    Why have a huge house if you’re never home because you’re spending at least 2 hours a day commuting? If you’re worried about the neighbourhood (c’town is dodgy as)? And where your child will go to school and be raised?

    We sacrificed size and live in a small 2 bed unit with 3 kids.
    However in return we got a unit in an area that was never going to have significant price falls (small tightly held privileged area, no chance of fire sale) and has doubled in value. We can let the kids run free out the door and come home when they’re ready. They go to a top public primary school. Our commute to work is 15 minutes by bicycle.

    Our parents come and visit and stay in air bnb or local accommodation.

    Wouldn’t change it for anything…

    Just my 2 cents on where you could be in 8 years…

    • Great thought and I am happy for your living style! May would envy it. Yes many questions with regards to family and life quality do influence our dicisions and we have our own way of understanding it.
      For me having an airy spacious place is priority, both me and my spouse have always grown up in a rather country side like environment and thus feel suffocated in tight city spaces. But of course everything comes at a price, it's just about finding the right balance that speaks to us.

      • If you grew up in country style areas and like space why on earth did you move to Sydney?

        Canberra, Newcastle, etc. Way more space and bang for buck. Sydney is for those people who love to pay premium to live on top of another.

        • Good point there but mate, you're missing a big piece here… JOB
          Don't wanna take this forum in a differnet direction but my industry is confined to very big cities.

    • Mr Money moustache, is that you?! ;)

  • +3

    Just out of curiosity, nobody mentioned suburbs from north of Sydney, like Hornsby Heights, Asquith, Mt Colah, Mt Kuring-Gai, Berowra and Berowra Heights?

    You have Hornsby Westfield, CCN train to city from Berowra and Hornsby and soon the M1 tunnel will be open. Personally I think commuting from north of Sydney to city beats commuting from West of Sydney to city.

    • Believe me mate that was my first priority and I have heard good about those ares as well. But hard to get a rent in my budget there. Will be on a lookout though, I still have few months.
      Which M1 tunnel are you talking about? I'm curious.

  • +1

    Dear OP
    You are looking in the correct area for your given budget.

    Areas perhaps better and closer to the city: Minto
    or even more central try: Guildford, Fairfield area.
    Rent for 2 br units/townhouses in all these areas are well under $400pw.
    Hence I would expect to find a 3br house under $500pw in all these areas.

    I really dont know why OP doesnt just do a search on realestate.com.au instead of asking us ?????

    • He said safe suburb :-)

      • I really dont know why OP doesnt just do a search on realestate.com.au instead of asking us ?????

        Because realestate doesn't tell you how lively, safe, friendly the area is. You real people do! I am not asking for rent house costs and links, I am asking which area among the ones sited, or around them are better for a family living and commuting to city.

        He said safe suburb :-)

        Yup that's what I wanted to know from real residents, what they feel.

  • Want a budget friendly option on a mountain living the dream? Mt Druitt..

    • Not the best reviews from up there. But thanks for suggestion!

  • Beverly hills ? Hurstville ?

    • Definitely more close to city. But I highly doubt it would come in my budget. I would research more on that though.
      Thanks!

      • -1

        Assuming your background is Chinese. Those locations will be perfect. lol.

        • Good try, bad assumption. I am not Chinese

  • $600 gets you a small 2 bed apartment, would expect to be paying $1000+ for a 3 bedroom house in Sydney

    • That's why I am not looking in Sydney but greater Suburbs. Right now I pay $430 for a 2 bedroom in Ryde. And a decent place it is

  • +1

    You could rent a 2 bedroom older style apartment in Kensington for a touch over $500. You'd be in walking distance to moore park and a 5-10 minute bus ride into the CBD.

    • As I already mentioned in previous reply. I am right now paying 430 for a 2 bedroom, and I am fine with the current distance. So isn't that like going backwards!

      • Not at all, you would save on transport costs and time (your own time is worth money) for your commute and you could bicycle into work, plus you are near the coast for beaches and centennial park.

        edit* I remember driving all the way out to a suburb i have never heard of called Ruse to pickup a mower and blower from ebay and it was a blistering hot day and i ask him what he was up to today and he replied going to take the fam on a trip to the beach…. im thinking what a long commute to manly or bondi etc …. he saw me looking preplexed and said he actually drives down to wollongong for the beach. Horses for courses.

        • A few of you guys have suggested that. I will look into the option and see how the calculation turns up.
          Thanks!

          I myself prefer to go to the southern beaches by the way. Much more lovely and less crowded. My fav of late is Wattamolla and then Bulli. Good for a day's trip and nice drive. I always jump to any opportunity of a drive :P

  • Well the norwest train will finish soon-ish, Kellyville probably a good idea but you have to take train. I heard the train will be quite quick to go to the city. I have 3 bedroom, 2 bath, 1 toilet investment house in kellyville and it is fetching $610 a week

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