I am choosing Android based on I get better bang for buck, get bigger storage (microSD), and have access to its internal storage (like Windows).
Perhaps my primary reason of the above is Price. I can't afford Apple pricing.
What is your primary reason?
Edit: interesting result. I thought the highest vote would be on Price or Value.
Value: For a quarter of the same price, I get pretty much the same spec.
I'm not a selfie queen and cameras on mid range phones are pretty good these days. The only thing that has really been improving on phones in the past year or so is battery size and battery recharge rate.
I had a mate who was so much under the spell of Apple that he used to instigate arguments with me for years about how Apple was better than Android. He ended up getting a Google Pixel 2 and was "shocked" how comparable the android was for usability. He thought that an Android phone was totally different to use and had a windows type OS. When I found out that I was furious that this guy had been ignorantly arguing for years with absolutely no idea what Android was. Shows you how much a corporation can put their spell on you.
He swears now will never go back.
In the early years the useability was definitely lower and buggier while Google worked on the UI. But nowadays its Apples and ridiculously expensive Apples for comparison.
For me ease of use. I don't have to change my way of thinking or how I use the device to suit the device, everything is where I expect.
Such as per-app settings. I can find it simply within the app itself. With iOS, however, it's in the Settings app(?) some either under the app itself, or hidden somewhere else and I'll have to hunt for it.
Others have mentioned how simple it is to move/copy data. Simply drag&drop. Downloading additional apps for the phone or computer will never be more simple than that.
If I don't like something about the software or other apps I can easily install custom firmware or replace default apps, whether from the play store or elsewhere.
Two things I can't get past :
UI is so old. It's the same as the iPhone 3GS. I just can't get over it, especially compared to how slick Android now looks.
Siri sucks compared to Google assistant. Even though I only use it a handful of times I can't not have google assistant. Siri is virtually unusable by comparison.
There are plenty of pros for the iPhone and I'd switch if they updated the UI and had Google assistant over Siri.
I just get the newest SAmsung. They're the best for a reason.
IPhone is the garbage I get from work which I end up shoving in my drawer.
I have Note 9 and here are few reasons why I choose Android over Apple every time.
The list just goes on and on. I was visiting some family and they are all die hard Apple fans. We were talking about watching a movie. I had some movies downloaded on my phone. I used Localcast to play the movie directly through third LG tv. Their mind was blown. It was HD and they couldn't believe how simple, quick and hassle free it was.
With Apple you'd need about $3,200 in dongles to do that.
Just want to add one more reasons to all the great reasons above: retro gaming emulators. My galaxy S8+ running snapdragon (had to import this) can play up to Gamecube smoothly :)
Never own an apple phone so I can't compare but I can give good enough reasons why I didn't bother to switch.
1) Latest and greatest specs (higher screen resolution, more ram, more storage options etc. list goes on, apple will catch up but usually they're at least two years behind)
2) Best bang for buck (no need to explain this, apple margins are high and they spend tons for marketing and I personally don't want to pay for that)
3) So many variations (I switch phones regularly, for an example within last two months along I switched between LG G6, Google pixel xl, Sony XZ premium, Galaxy s8 and Note 9. They all have pros and cons and I liked each one due to different reasons. I can't imagine myself sticking with one phone for years, being limited to two/ three options would definitely be a deal breaker for me - now apple is catching up with few different phone options though)
4) Copying music, images etc. (just a matter of copying and pasting/ drag and drop from and to phone, no software needed. I've heard for apple it isn't that straight forward, I could be wrong)
5) Freedom of choices (custom roms with or without google play, can install apps without google play etc, not so limited hardware such as no headphone jack, no sd card slot etc.)
6) Customization offered by Android (even in pure google release it's great and so many things to do. this might be a negative for someone who likes simplicity and want everything set up for him/her, but for me, I definitely want everything to be my way. With custom roms things get even better)
Main reasons for me to prefer iPhone:
1. iOS updates as and when they are released, for android devices the updates come for very few phones
2. Very few apps that I can’t delete from my iPhone, compared to android where each phone maker adds their own apps that can’t be deleted
3. Personally I prefer apple products (overall quality) than others
You can delete the bloatware on Android.
There's a couple things that are off-putting on the iPhone:
- Notifications, yeah they're better, but still not as good as 2011's Android
- Certain UX elements
- Other limitations (like Default Apps, File Browser, and iTunes)
- Very fragile rear glass (expensive to replace) and front glass (curves prevent use of Glass Protectors)
- The bezels, the latest iPhone X variants have a 66.6% Screen to Body ratio (not 82.9% that's a lie)… so that's 2012 level, we peaked in 2014, and regressed in 2017, just compare it to the LG G2 which has a larger display in a smaller body!
- That notch, its ugly and intrusive
- FaceID, its not very good
- Weak mono-speakers (yes even the XS Max!!)
- No 3.5mm port (though the dongle issue isn't as bad as Android)
…….these are small things I nitpick, and I can overlook them. Especially since the Hardware is generally to the Highest Quality, Security is a Priority, Software Support is unparalleled, Customer Service is Renowned, Ecosystem is tight-nit, the Third-Party Apps are the Best, and Accessory variety are Number 1.
With that said why don't I get an iPhone?
Well, because I like my customised Apex Pro launcher with my 500x changing background and r00t support. Don't even need Custom Roms anymore to make breathe functionality, smoothness, and consistency to AndroidOS anymore (ever since 5.1). And not to mention Emulators, on Android you can do anything from Atari to Nintendo Wii, and use any gamepad you desire (not that I game much these days).
So Android devices can give me more of what I want, whereas iPhones offer the best in many categories. So between the two trade-offs the differentiating factor is price… and that's the reason why I don't get an iPhone (but happily recommend them to others, especially when they're "tech challenged"). If I could, I would…. make my own Android device, it wouldn't be good in a showroom (ugly next to a Galaxy S8) but it would be functional and much better for the stresses of the everyday (less of Audi A6 and more of a Ford Ranger).
@Speakers - Really? The iPhone Xs and iPhone Xs Max have probably the best speakers I've ever heard on a phone. It's clear, goes quite loud.
Apple person here. Just reading your opinions makes me think you’ve never tried an iPhone before. Or you haven’t owned one since the iPhone 3GS. Yeah, I agree Android has its own good and all, but here are some things I totally disagree about.
Notch - it’s not intrusive. Never has it bothered me during my normal use.
Speakers - it’s quite loud. Better than a lot of Android devices.
Face ID - it’s fast, even faster with the Xs. More secure & faster than Samsung’s Facial Recognition.
Fragile glass - again, totally biased over Android devices here. It’s not hard to get a screen protector & case. I’ve dropped my phone quite a bit and no damages are visible. Plus watch comparison videos, I’ve seen a few iPhones overpower other Samsung devices in terms of durability
Notifications - explain whats so 2011. iOS 12 notifications are quite reliable imo.
Most of the others, you’ve got a fair point. Except for the showroom with an S8 next to an iPhone opinion.
Plus Samsung is screaming out “better battery, longer life” and “outstanding performance” while iPhone literally does destroy the Note 9 in many aspects in terms of performance.
Not sure about ios12 as have not tried it yet but I had an iPhone 7 for a week and the notifications were the main reason I returned them.
You couldn't snooze them, group them, expand or collapse them. I'd be on group WhatsApp chats and wake up with 50 notifications for the same thread. It is basically useless when you have that many notifications
Try IOS 12 ;)
@sw0rdy: I also haven't tried the latest iOS 12 not lived with the XS Max. But I did test the XS Max speakers and they didn't impress me, however, this was in a rather busy/loud store so I'll hold verdict.
Theres always a tradeoff between Volume and Quality and Size when it comes to speakers. The larger the size, the less of an issue the Volume becomes (think Home Theatre) so the differentiating point becomes the Quality. The smaller the size, the less of a problem Quality becomes as you're left trying to sort out the Volume. Currently the Razer Phone is the best Speakerphone, it has the loudest and best quality. It's then followed by the ZTE Axon7. Then a large gap to the Pixel XL, and followed closely by the LG G7, Pixel 2XL, HTC M8, Pixel, HTC M9, S9+, S9, Nexus 6P, Z5. The biggest enhancements come from having actual stereospeakers (ie NOT Pixel2), with an engineered resonance (ie G7), and lastly with the sound aimed at your left and right ears. A downward-firing monospeaker, even if aided with a dim earpiece, isn't going to produce rich sounds. It might get loud, but it won't have good quality. It might be tuned for clarity, but it will come at the major expense of volume. Basically none of the OEMs have any Alien Technology, they're all dealing with physics, so overall speaker performance is going to depend on how much resources they throw at it…and 99% of OEMs don't care much for it (I mean a poster can't draw "loudness" that well, it's not a seductive feature for their VAST marketing teams).
So I think v12 fixes my biggest gripes with iOS (Bloat and Notifications), I haven't put it through the ringer. I have initial impressions that the Notifications are not as rich as say on the Pixel2 but they're at least collapsible and usable (reminds me a lot of 4.0.3 ICS).
….To Be Continued
How do they have a 66.6% Screen to Body ratio?
Interested in why you don’t think FaceID is very good?@Kangal?
All companies look at what Tries to popularise and they copy em. Apple could make an iPhone would you shove it up your butt and crap it out of your mouth because it’s healthy and Samsung would be all over it in their next launch
Actually Samsung would be first to market with the butt phone, but Apple would be the first to sell you the phone pre-lubed
"This changes everything"
This was true, but not anymore since about Galaxy S7. Then compare the S9 to the iPhone X. I think Samsung are doing their own thing and even leading in a few ways. Apple panicked when they lost their lead. Now look at them - releasing three new models a year cause they no longer know what they're doing.
Battery Battery Battery
I recently bought a Redmi Note 5 after 7 years of using iPhones, and I couldn't be happier. MIUI is very similar to iOS which made it easier for me to make the move.
iPhones are solid, stable and reliable phones. They're simple and easy to use—I won't deny that. The problem is they cost an arm and a leg compared to the competition. I can't possibly justify going back to an iPhone when looking at their prices, now that I have a great and snappy phone which I paid about $250 for.
I also like having the micro SD card slot, and no more iTunes makes it feel like the shackles have been removed. Absolutely hate iTunes and how restrictive it is.
That said, I still like iOS and I'm not going to hate on people for buying iPhones. There's nothing worse than Android elitists bashing on the 'sheeple'. They're no differece to the PC elitists who bash on console gamers. Some people just want what's simple and works, and what their friends and family have, so that they can be a part of the same ecosystem.
I have a cat s61 that I can drop everywhere and it remains unscathed. No apple phone will ever be designed as such.
I like being able to use my phone how I like. Apple has a history of blocking functikbality that competes with their business. Key point is that I get all my books turned into audio books using text to speech on moonreader. Most of my Apple friends have to deal with paying audible prices if they want an ebook.
No one's mentioned this one yet, so I will.
NFC!
All my bank and credit cards are on Google Pay. I can scan my Opal card and see whether I've tapped off or check to see how much credit is left on it.
iPhone won't let me do that. Plus I like a phone I can customise; if I want gaps between my icons, I can on Android, but not on iOS. I have an iPad mini which I love, but I refuse to use iPhones as my mobile phone.
how do you use this to check cards ? would be handy for checking my my metrocard.
Won't work for you as you're from South Australia going by your metrocard reference. The NSW Government have an app called Opal Travel which is the app I use to check my Opal card balance on my unregistered Opal card
I prefer Android but I'm mainly choosing it over apple because I'm choosing mid tier phones over top tier.
Top tier phones no longer make sense because even mid tier phones are good enough.
I can buy an el cheapo Chinese brand phone for like third of the price and it'd still be really good - some cases they'll be even better as they'll be thicker and have 1080p resolution (as opposed to 2k which I still think is useless) extending its battery life.
Like I wouldn't buy an Iphone but I wouldn't buy a Samsung note 9 either.
I will say if I were to buy an expensive phone it'd be iPhone though. At least with Apple you get stellar customer service which you don't get with any Android OEM.
Android of old was a bit crap. Now, you get all the apps you need.
Price is a main driver. You start with a laptop, then comes time to buy a phone, you're lured to an iPhone, comes time to buy headphones you're lured into airpods, comes time to buy a watch you're lured in the Apple watch. Run out of storage, you buy more. Oh you might as well use Apple music now. And so on and so on.
End of the day you've spent a bomb. Not to say they don't work flawlessly together, all that could have been achieved at 50% of the cost.
Also I know you don't have to buy Apple products, but all that ecosystem stuff is true.
Know people who have invested so much in there, husband wife have 2 phones, laptop, home computer, iPad, kids iPad, watch, etc… They just join the upgrade train now.
From an app developer point of view, Apple is good. Because they have herded the big spending you-only-live-once types into their eco-system. They're more likely to spend freely and make purchases in the app.
My smart phone history is an iPhone 3GS, Galaxy S2, Moto X, Galaxy S6 and Galaxy S8+ so on a clear Samsung track here.
Love the look of the iPhone X, have no problems with iOS (Any more), back in the day I jailbroke iPhones to do things they all do now, so not concerned there.
It's price. The prices are insane unless you're willing to commit 100% to a 3 year upgrade cycle, or it's a company phone that lets you go $100+ Per month, the outright buy price is stupid, so, can't bring myself to do it. Things like the XR having below 1080p quality is concerning but haven't had the phone in hand to determine if its actually noticeable, the XS Max just doesn't justify its price, there isn't 8GB+ or RAM, 6000mah battery, not a fan of any notches either so can't wait for that trend, also no finger print scanner in the screen, I think in a generation or two if Apple shapes up and I haven't been tempted away from my S8+, I'll consider an iPhone XI or XII or whatever.
The reasons I moved away from iOS to android were:
1. iTunes. At the time you had to use it for everything to do with the phone.
2. The painful processes of trying to pop on any media (books, music or video) to the local storage. Why did I need to resync or worse reset the iTunes account, if wanted to throw in some DRM free music?
3. Lack of an SD card reader. This goes back to my media complaint above. It's just nice to have a copy of some of your favourite files on transportable media that you can move to your next phone or tablet. Also apple's policy is to wipe your phone if it goes in for repairs, it's convenient to store your files on a card and pop it out if you have any warranty work done.
4. Disingenuous corporate leadership with some really unethical behaviour. Yes this applies for most companies but Apple has the wealth to practice what they preach.
Edit: as far as price goes, sure it's expensive but meh the price is the price. If you don't want to spend it you have the options of some amazingly good phones for half the price, or buy previous releases which since the 6 hasn't changed much at all.
My 'Primary' reason is… I'm not a Sheep & prefer to have something functional that isn't directed towards 14yo girls (not saying they're sheep)
If I had to summarise it as a primary reason, I would say choice
I made the decision half a decade ago based on:
More recent reasons:
1. Apple have removed the 3.5mm jack (and sheep android makers like Sony have followed) which is another dealbreaker.
2. Modern Android phones can play Gamecube games via Dolphin, iPhones cannot.
Obsolete reasons (Apple have caught up a bit):
1. iPhones had low res 'retina' displays compared with 720p or 1080p android phones.
2. iPhones used not to be able to send MMS messages, Android phones could.
3. iPhones used not to be waterproof/dust proof, compared with high end Android phones.
4. iPhones had poor GPS navigation (couldn't navigate via Google Maps) where as you could on Android.
Android hands down because of the versatility. Being able to install apk files from anywhere is great. Different Keyboards, Launchers, and app draw, Widgets, Adblock, Ad free youtube, the list just goes on and on.
For my parents though, hell yes a dumbed down iphone.
That's what I did too. I hate the fact that iPhone costs so much though, and so hard to configure.
I notice that owning iPhone gets you to exclusive crowd of richer old people however.
My reasons are slowly diminishing. Android (specifically vanilla Android) is starting to lose some of the perks which attracted me.
At the end of the day, as long as file management remains a clusterf*ck on iOS, I will stick with Android.
iPhones are nice phones these days, iTunes is still crap, however.
My current phone cost under $200 delivered and does everything I need. I could buy a 6s for $400 and I'm sure it would also work fine, but that's over twice as much.
Ideologically I don't like Apple, but that's not the deciding factor.
Oh please. I cant believe Apple fans are still using the argument that Apple devices "just work".
I never had instances where an Android device "didn't work" and I struggle to find stuff on iOS (I have an iPad Mini) more than on Android.
As already mentioned, iTunes is very confusing and difficult to use for someone who has never used it and I absolutely hate the damn thing.
Cost primarily, more than happy with my $200 Sharp S2.
I tend to break my phones with an average life of ~1 year so can't justify buying an expensive iPhone.
Been playing with this 6th gen iPad and its quite nice for the price, would I own one…. No, never, ios drives me nuts, it feels so locked and simple (stupid) and the Garbage apps apple pre install into it is junk!
Still, great for my 70 year old mother inlaw which is what they are for…. anyone serious for technology would have an Android plain and simple.
I think people who like Apple know that they are a bit sick (in the head), so they are attempting to keep the doctors away, without drawing too much attention (and processing power) to themselves.
That phrase was used to turn bad images of apples in prohibition times into positive ones so they could sell the sweet apples after they ripped out the tart cider apples.
Interesting bit of information there, but I was only trying to make a simple joke playing on the word "apple".
It would appear some of the over-sensitives are out and about again.
Whatevs ¯_(ツ)_/¯ (the backslash never shows when I do this?).
Lol i watched a doco about cider production a week ago, i was keen to share haha.
Many reasons:
1. Price and value for money.
2. MicroSD and 3.5mm options.
3. Root features and APKs.
4. Customise with themes and custom roms.
5. Adaway and Youtube Vanced means you don't see ads on android 99% of the time.
IMO the main advantage Apple devices have over Android devices is that manufacturers who use Android often have crappy interfaces loaded up with useless apps and bloatware, and don't update their software enough.
A few years back i went from a Nexus 4 (stock google) to a LG G4, and i was surprised at how bad the interface on the LG was.
I've just bought Xiaomi A2 ($287 AUD with Android One) and it's great.
I had an Iphone 5 through work a few years ago - lovely piece of hardware and nice interface, but it's hard to justify the massive price premium nowadays.
The bloatware that you get on Android phones from the handset manufacturer and service provider is the worst thing about them. Can always install your own but that is painful and out of reach for most standard folk. I don't understand why it is so hard to just get a vanilla version of the google android OS without all the crap (short of buying a google handset).
With Android I get more than Apple gives me, for a literal fifth of the price.
Putting price a side which we all know is just extra profit for apple, and ridiculous prices. My brother and I have always been tech geeks since kids. We both have androids, rest of the family knows nothing about tech and have iPhones. Says it all.
I gotta use an apps for work that only available on PlayStore so had to get the cheapest yet reliable Android (HTC 10 evo $250). I still have a iPhone SE lying around as a back up which I picked up @ Officeworks for $330 (after TRS). Can't imagine spending $1,000 on a phone, let alone $2,359.
I went from an iPhone 6S to Samsung Galaxy S8 and I'm actually going to move back to Apple.
The problem with Android in my oppinion is that it's a one size fits all for phone hardware, there's too many different models and it fails to be optimized correctly.
Apple on the other hand has such a small device SKU that everything just feels smoother.
My biggest gripe is frame-rate lag with android.
I didn't feel it with iOS (or at least if I did it was very few and far between in regards to the occurrence).
Android does have some benefits with a little more customization/widgets/automation but for my everyday use I would rather feel a noticeable difference with smoothness in operation/use.
Samsung is notorious for having the most customised / 'heaviest' version of Android. That's the beauty of the Android OS - you can get another brand, most of which won't have this problem, even in the mid-range of the market, not to mention a Pixel.
After one has used both systems they realize that Apple tries to control your life and your digital possessions.
Apple also force you into buying a new apple iphone as they deliberately drive down the performance of your Apple iphone through each iOS update.
This has been proven to be true but Apple suggests its just a sign of battery wear. Not so!
Android is far more flexible and forgiving and provides many more options and customizations and of course an enormous range of phones to choose from.
So Android is all about choice and control over your phone and your digital possessions.
Apple is more about status and prestige and integration across iOS devices.
In iOS 12, Apple have improved performance of older devices. Who knows if they’ll continue this trend in future versions, though.
Is that what Apple say or what you experienced?
Oh dear. I guess we believe what we want to believe.
Do some proper research and you'll find out the real reasons there were performance drops on devices with older batteries. Or… just keep believing the conspiracy theories.
If you like pirating content then Apple will not suit you. They have an obligation to protect the interests of content providers. Android does too, but it seems you can bypass those restrictions. Wouldn't it be great if everyone could just pirate all the content they ever wanted. No one ever pays for any intellectual and creative property anymore.
I am an iPhone noob (so some of these points may be redundant now) but my partner is Apple (iPhone 6,6+ then 7) and this is just what I've been frustrated to hell with every time I need to use her phone…
1.Can't stand IOS.
General navigating (back button u the top?)
Typing (stupid way to pick between letter with the zoom in
No option to show passwords when typing in my WiFi password on guest phones is really annoying
I prefer androids desktop type and separate app drawer,the Android notification panel to quickly adjust settings
No IR blaster (not sure if still a thing)
No micro SD
No S pen.
Everything is just way more complicated with accounts and keypass, icloud etc, just feels overly complex compare to Android/Google.
Painful to use with a chromecast.
Google Play seems to be much better than app store regarding reviews and usability.
These are all deal breakers for me before even looking at comparing specs and price.
Android because android isn't bad.
I prefer Android, because I like to have control of my phone. I also like to install different ROMS.
The fact that iOS signifies that Apple can’t – or won’t – conceive of a future for personal computing that is both elegant and open, usable and free. Apple has decided that openness is not a quality that’s necessary in a personal computer. That’s disturbing to me and stopped me from buying their products.
Bring on the downvotes but I’m the opposite of OP’s question. I used Sony, Nokia, Samsung for years and for whatever reason got an iPhone 3GS one day. Was almost perfect for me bar the terrible screen res. I moved to a 4S and then when that time was up I decided to go with a Samsung Note 3 + Watch because a larger screen interested me. The Note was honestly the biggest piece of shit device I’d ever used. Apps regularly crashed, battery life was terrible, camera was shit, reception was worse than the old iPhone, even with the superior specs it ran apps faaar slower than my old iPhone. Ive only used iPhones since mainly because everything they do just works and works well, that and I’m yet to sell one after I’m done with it for less than $500. I’m currently using an XS Max 512gig BUT only because I’m on Telstras $199 Unlimited data plan (I live rurally and under a 4GX tower (I get faster net than people on fttp fibre, can’t play games though because ping is turd) so it’s absolutely glorious compared to my only other option for internet, satellite…), whatever phone you pick on said plan is no extra cost so why not pick the most expensive? I would have been happy with an 8+ if I was choosing a plan with extra handset costs. At the end of the day the the newer iPhones just do everything I personally want from a phone really bloody well and that far exceeds what I’ve personally experienced from the competition
Ps. I’d never buy an Apple computer and the last phone I recommended to a friend was a Xiaomi
My experience was basically the same.
Started with a 3GS and went to a iPhone 4S. It was around this time that Samsung started coming out the SGSII that had the larger screen etc and eventually I jumped ship.
I spent more time than I cared for tinkering with the thing; flashing ROMs to try and get better battery life or performance, flashing Modems to try and get the best reception and so on.
One day it dawned on me how much time I was spending getting the thing to work how I wanted, yet with my iPhones I just used them and spent zero time tweaking it or thinking about it.
I then jumped back to the iPhone 5 and some time down the track got a phone for work which was a Note 3. This worked out well as I could run iPhone and Android side-by-side and supposedly get the best of both worlds.
The Note 3 just didn't run well enough to convince me to change my personal phone and eventually work moved to iPhones anyway. The biggest grip was the lack of updates and eventually having to either put up with how it was or flash the phone myself with a custom ROM.
I get a new work phone every major iPhone release and either transition my "old" work phone to my personal phone or even just use the new handset as my personal phone.
If I was to go Android it would have to be a Google device - I think that would solve all my gripes I had with the Samsung devices without having to resort to flashing the device myself.
I do understand the issues with iTunes, but I haven't touched the thing in years. Backups are all directly to iCloud and music is via Spotify.
I can see the arguments regarding iOS being boring, but when I had the Android phones I rarely used widgets or heavily customised my homescreens - I ended up just mimicking the iOS layout as for me it just works well.
It's basically a mini computer
I love my Apple iPhone 8 A1864 as over 50% of the time when I go to answer a call the screen freezes. Where else in the world can you pay over $1000 for a phone where it doesn't work and all Apple does is to either tell you it's out of warranty or tell you to reset the phone.
And even better the video format MOV and picture format HEIC has to be converted before it can be used by normal software (unless you figure out that you change a setting to "most compatible"). Another step in the process just to add further inconvenience which really should be an otherwise straight forward process.
I love my Apple iPhone 8 A1864 as over 50% of the time when I go to answer a call the screen freezes. Where else in the world can you pay over $1000 for a phone where it doesn't work and all Apple does is to either tell you it's out of warranty or tell you to reset the phone.
You are blatantly lying, then. The iPhone 8 was only released September 2017 - so right now it's a bee's d1cks out of 1 yr from launch; in Australia our ACL ensures we get two years.
Apple's warranty is infinitely superior to any other manufacturer's. Stop telling lies, dude.
From apple website
Apple Limited Warranty
1 year from date of purchase for all other Apple productsWithout limiting consumers’ rights, Apple will provide its own remedies equivalent to those remedies in the consumer guarantee provisions of the Australian Consumer Law at any time within 24 months of the date of purchase. For the avoidance of doubt, Apple acknowledges that the Australian Consumer Law may provide for remedies beyond 24 months for a number of its products.
Likely they denied it being over a year old. I would think it would be an easy enough fight to claim that a $1500+ phone needs to last longer than a year but they thrive on people taking their word that it's out of warranty and giving up (like OP).
There's no hard and fast ACL rule that says a phone has a 2 year warranty,
Sorry - didn't see your reply (does anyone else's OzB not notify them of replies?!)
There's no hard and fast ACL rule that says a phone has a 2 year warranty
This may be true, but according to ACL, it isn't. As well as my own personal experience - I work in the I.T. dept in the Head Office of one of Australia's largest retailers and deal with our corporate employees who use iPhones/iPod Touches; we have well over a couple thousand Apple device endpoints, so I get a lot of hands on with Apple devices as well as dealing with Apple+ACL. I'd say maybe 1/10 instance I get some push back regarding covering the item under ACL, but they always cave. Just some anecdotal evidence for you there.
I call bs on this too. The support you get from Apple is one of the reasons to prefer their products over the competition.
I gurantee that this issue will be resolved by Apple if you go through the proper channels.
My dislike of Apple started years and years ago. Back in the old Limewire and Kazaa days.
I used to ….appropriate some music, and back then I used to use Winamp ( you know, used to whip the llamas ass), but then iTunes was becomes a big thing so I thought I would give it a shot.
So I installed it and yeah it was nice, did the job. Then I'd download a song, as soon as it finished downloading iTunes would ask if I wanted to add it to my library. I'd be like, sure. But I could be downloading 50 songs and every time every single goddamn song finished downloading I would get the same prompt. Got jack of it so I uninstalled iTunes. Downloaded another song, and guess what friggin came up again. So I spent ages going through deleting every damn leftover file from iTunes, and going through Windows registry deleting any remaining entries.
Next song I downloaded, yep, iTunes popup. Ended up having to rebuild my hard drive to get rid of it. Since then hated Apple.
Also I don't like how they claim they invented all this stuff. First portable music player, Sony wants a chat. First smartphone, Blackberry says what.
Plus I love customisation, especially widgets. Info on my home screens.
I get that Apple has a very big use, people that want devices that just work out of the box with my extra setting up or messing around. And that's fine. I mean my mum has my old Note 5 and she has changed no factory settings and constantly has to ask me how to do things, and I think she might be better with an iPhone.
I had a Creative ZEN 30gb back in the day, I know Apple didn't invent the MP3 player but i'd say they perfected it.
Not sure why you are being downvoted, it is all true. Apple love saying they invented all this stuff when in reality they just stole it and made it easier to use for the mainstream and marketed the hell out of it. Then when other brands started copying their stuff and making it better they went all crazy and brought out their team of lawyers instead of making their stuff better again. Just so hypocritical. My hate for apple started with iTunes as well.
I guess some people just can't stand others having different opinions to themselves.
Everything I wrote was my personal opinion based on my personal experiences and observations.
I even said in my last paragraph that I believe Apple has a place, people who want stuff that works out of the box, and Apple are pretty damn good like that.
The Android Open Source Project or AOSP.
Android, if you're an "enthusiast" is the only way to go. So easy to essentially "game the system", you can buy a cheap phone, install a custom firmware and instantly run the latest and greatest versions of android.
All that matters is your hardware, I bought a $350 Axon 7 ZTE brand new, i flashed an Oreo rom, now I have a phone that I think is better than a the Galaxy S7 or the Google Pixel, its got way better sound overall AND a headphone jack, which imho outweighs that the camera isn't as good.
I don't trust Google anymore or less (probs less) than Apple but when my friends get $100 p/month phone plans and $2k iphones or even 1K+ Android phones, I feel like they're playing checkers while i'm playing chess :)
iPhones though, make EXCELLENT mp3 players. I still covet my 120gb clickwheel ipod and I'm very fond of my old ipod touch (the first retina version). iTunes runs like seeping pus on Windows but it gets there eventually, I haven't found anything that comes close on Android.
Another tick in the Apple box, I recall all my iDevices having excellent "mass storage" support, plug them into a pc and they turn up as a proper disk drive, "D:\" etc, none of this MTP camera nonsense….
Google OS? Apple OS? They're called Android and iOS.
Anyway I voted that I like the exclusive features of Android phones.
Always on display, curved screen edges, generic USB connectors, headphone jack, NFC (for payments).
When I got mine Apple didn't have waterproofing or wireless charging.
I haven't owned an iPhone, but I like how Android phones are open. It's very easy to install modified or unofficial applications, and as others have mentioned you can plug it into a desktop to drag and drop files very easily. Apple try to make you purchase cloud storage and other features instead of making it easy to transfer files to a desktop.
From my limited exposure another thing I've noticed is how the device gets tied to an Apple ID.
If you lose access to the account the phone can become literally unusable. With Android you can always go into recovery mode and start fresh, it's very user friendly.
I think it's wrong to program what is essentially a kill switch into the device. It's mandatory to have a Google account on Android but it doesn't create restrictions.
I wouldn't rule out getting an iPhone. The iPhone X (and XS) looks impressive in terms of specs and the camera. I think the notched display is a good idea.
You’ve literally pointed out security flaws as a good feature…
Better value for money, have used every iPhone from i4, including the iPhone X. When the Google Pixel 2 came out, I knew my love for Apple products was unjustifiable. More customisation, less restrictions, less banners and updates and other pop ups. In past I have always known Apple phones were a bit of a robbery, however I was always just resistant to change. Now that I have changed the only regret is that I didn't do it earlier.
Tech such as wireless charging since Samsung S6 and iPhone X gets released and all of a sudden it's cutting edge technology again, 3 years later..
I choose Android over Apple for the following reasons:
1- Choice. There are different hardware configurations and manufacturers supporting Android. My current phone is the Sony Xperia XZ1 Compact (horrible name, good phone), because I prioritise small screen size, waterproofing, headphone jack and long battery life.
2- Software customisation. Sony doesn't make the best Android launcher, but no matter, since I can use other ones to design my 'own' interface. I dub mine 'Phantom UI'.
3- Price. This of course depends on which phone you're looking at, but that's also part of the appeal. On Android, you can look at sub $500 like the Moto G which is a great phone, or over $1,000 phones like the Samsung Note 9. You just have more flexibility to find something within your budget.
4- Hardware. Generally speaking, Android phones are at least half a generation ahead of iPhones. Not talking about benchmark performance, but rather about everyday use stuff. I find that the hardware on Android flagships to simply be more futureproof than iPhones. Then again, I'm biased no?
5- Google ecosystem. Sometimes, when I use a Mac, I stumble upon intuitive features that make so much sense I wonder why my Windows PC doesn't have them. Yet, when it comes to phones, I don't often get this feeling with Android. And if I do, there's generally an app that can add that feature. Google's own in house software is pretty much boss as is so yeah, don't feel like there's much to miss out on.
6- Compatibility with accessories. I know this isn't sexy, but being able to walk into any friend's house and find a USB-C cable matters to me (this will get even better over time of course). Being able to use MicroSD cards to expand storage matters to me. Being able to use NFC matters A LOT to me. Android's wider acceptance of other accessories is simply golden because it allows me to design a phone experience that fits around my lifestyle and who I am, rather than forcing me to accept the decisions of faraway executives living in California.
7- It's my phone, my way. Finally, I think Android in general simply respects my ownership of the device more. I can customise it more. I can access it more (treating it as a drag & drop USB is king in my opinion. I can also do all of this while feeling slightly unique since comparably, few people have the exact phone I have. So all in all, it's all good.
Kindly.
P.S. I'll give this one thing to Apple, the seamlessness between its iMessages on the Mac and the iPhone is a joy to behold.
Even an Android, I don't need a high end phone.
I'm currently using Xiaomi's Redmi Note 4X from last year's deal (around $210). Snapdragon 625 cpu, 4G Ram, 64G ROM, 4000 mAh big battery. After installing Lineage OS, its battery life is super long. Couldn't be happier, will likely use this phone for another year.
I can pay over 10 times the price to buy an Apple, yes, my income is ok with that, but why should I? Phone is a tool to do things, and my current phone can do all the things I need it to do.
Has anyone tried Windows 10? I have a Lumia 950 XL at home collecting dust
I'm alergic to apples
Louis Rossman.
As much as I like the stability of iOS over Android but I just can't stand the fact that the company is selling a $2400 and doesn't even care to ship an official fast charger with it. Heights of being greedy!
Max I can think of paying for a phone is $1k - $1.2K only for the sake of having a good camera based smartphone but $2.4k is not justifiable.
I currently have 2x iPhone 7’s and before that I had the iPhone 5. At upgrade time I usually get an android, but end up hating it within a few months and end up buying the iPhone.
Androids I’ve tried and hated: galaxy 1, galaxy 3, lg g2 and g3.
Reasons I buy the android: cheaper, expandable storage, dual sim is always a great feature however I’ve never needed this until now.
Reasons I always end up buying the iPhone: quality (feels nicer in the hand IMO), ecosystem (friends and family all use iMessage), lasts longer IMO (can get 2+ years of usuage out of it) and I can sell after two years and get 50% of its original cost back. I feel that android starts lagging after the 1st month despite plenty of storage.
Currently looking at upgrading to either the S9+, note 9 or iPhone xs. I think I’ll just avoid my regular trend and buy the iPhone first.
The cost of Apple is outrageous but it’s worth it for me when you consider resale and that I can get at least 2 years out of it.
Ah, nothing heats up ozb like an andriod vs apple debate.
For the same price:
Android: More brand options on android, some with amazing cameras (Huawei P20 Pro), and
APTX - apple does have a slight audio delay when using Bluetooth headphones because they don’t support this technology
Apple: Resale value tends to be higher, so the overall lifetime cost is actually lower vs the same priced Android, but if you buy android a couple months after launch once the price drops then it’s no competition
Was going to say os support but that’s really manufacturer dependent
Where do I even start?
Need I keep going? Apple devices are for simpletons who don't understand technology and just want something that anyone with half a brain can use.
Basically, I wanted something that;
* my minimum wage didn't have to go into hysterics because I'd rather buy the phone outright,
* I've always loved expandable storage,
* and my hatred of iTunes cannot be contained
Dual SIMs.
My Moto G4+ lets me have my personal and work SIMs in it, so no need to carry 2 'phones.
The work iPhone has never been powered up.
I sometimes find funny when Apple fans says nah, I don't know how to use android. It is just an apple excuse.. It is just a smart phone, nothing hard…
I prefer to use my Philips Savvy
This… and the fact that they have been using hardware encryption since 3Gs days to protect your data, something which Android was able to do in 2015 but not without a performance hit.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13392/the-iphone-xs-xs-max-re…
The post sales service of iPhone is better. If something breaks within your warranty period, walk into the apple store and pretty much walk out with a replacement on the spot. Better than months waiting for assessment and RMA process with Android.
For me it is versatility. Android are much more open in allowing the user to do what they like with the phone. Apple take a more authoritarian approach. They say what you can do and that is the end of the matter. For example, I can install apps from outside the Google Play app store on Android without having to hack the OS. You can't do that on an iPhone.
Android allow you to download and store files on the phone and use a file browser to find them. This was useful when I needed to save email attachments offline when I was overseas. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you can do that on iPhone as it depends on cloud connectivity. Also by extension of this you You can cast downloaded movie files to any Android TV box or Kodi session. iPhone pretty much only allow casting to Apple TV.
Android (generally speaking) allow you flexibility to add storage space using a microSD as per your need. They allow you better integration with more apps
Inferior security and better integration with pirated content are indeed Android features.
Price and flexibility. I have a $300 Xiaomi phone that does everything that I can throw at it, so I can't even imagine paying upwards of $1000 for an iPhone. Plus android is far kinder to tinkerers, with apps like tasker adding so much power to the OS. I also was never a fan of the way that Apple always forced new features on you, regardless of whether you wanted them or not. This has also started driving me away from windows.
because spending $2,000 on a phone is lunacy.
There are no "better specs" at that price, at that point it is jewelry.
Even my decent gaming pc as a whole cost less than an iphone x. Gonna spend 2k to, what, read emails and browse facebook?
What would I ever do on a phone that warrants spending 2k on one? $300-500 these days gets you very good specs and great screens. No need to spend more than $500 imo.