Using My Dog against Troublesome Neighbourhood Cat

[Update] it’s a black cat, no doubt it is a cat. Most likely a pet and not feral.

[update] All these unnecessary bias comments by cat owners doesn’t help the cause. Pets should not disturb other people or their property. If owners don’t take responsibility for their own pets, then offending pets will be treated as pests and dealt accordingly.

The story is that one of my neighbours has a cat. The cat comes around to my house and gets into all my pet enclosures. Birds, chickens and fish are all being massacred. I use the word massacre because just tonight, I have disembodied animal corpses everywhere covering almost half my property. The best similarity would be like a lake of dead floating fish or field of dead birds dropped from the sky.

I have a dog which has a really strong prey drive which I mainly keep inside my house.

Now my question is do I let my dog into the backyard when the cat comes? If not, what should I do?

  1. If I do let the dog into my backyard, he will most definitely catch the cat. He has over 40 confirmed bird/pest kills. Then there is the question is will the cat be alive when it is caught or what I am going to do with the dead cat. Do I return it to the owner or do I throw it in the bin?

  2. If I don't let my dog into the backyard, I will be having more losses and attracting more predators like cats and foxes who use my backyard as a hunting ground.

As a responsible pet owner, I don't allow my dog to bark nor does he bark, go outside my property without a leash or to torment anybody else.
I think the same should go for any other pets. I'm deeply upset because of all these innocent animals died a painful slow death which I have nurtured and also because I have to clean up the bloodbath that awaits tomorrow. If a fox or any other predators comes into my backyard, I would have let me dog out to deal with the intruder. But because the cat is most likely somebodies pet, I am reconsidering my options. It is heartbreaking for farmers unable to help their suffering livestock and it's exactly how I feel.

Comments

  • +8

    Please go knock on your neighbours doors and find out who's it is first, or get the name tag if you can catch it. I'm sure your neighbour will be happy to help resolve the issue. It would be a shame to kill a cat when the owner wasn't aware of what was happening at your property. If they tell you to piss off, then just call the ranger who will sort it out.

    • What would the ranger do? Also what do I tell the owner, please don’t let your cat out of your home or my dog will kill it.

      • I am sort of overwhelmed with emotion. Like 3-4 animals dying doesn't affect me but this cat killed them all for fun.

        • +4

          "Like 3-4 animals dying doesn't affect me but this cat killed them all for fun"
          I'm a bit confused by this after reading this…..

          "If I do let the dog into my backyard, he will most definitely catch the cat. He has over 40 confirmed bird/pest kills"

          Did the 40 confirmed bird/pest kills affect you?

          • @chichi: Well they were mainly pests like mice and rats so it did affect me in a positive way. He used to get a few unsuspecting birds but not since I've disciplined him and secured the cages from my dog.

      • +16

        The ranger will set a trap and humanely capture the offending cat. The cat will be taken to the local pound, where it will be scanned for a microchip. Its owners will be contacted and if they choose to collect it, will pay a fine of at least a couple of hundred dollars for allowing their cat to roam, and to have it released from the pound. If so, they will receive a stern warning about allowing their cat to roam, and probably also advice about how to cater for an indoors cat. If they choose to relinquish the cat (or if an owner can't be found within the requisite timeframe) the cat will be humanely euthanased. Not the best outcome for the cat, but certainly better than being torn to pieces by a savage dog.

        And yes, if you do go to visit neighbours and find out that it is their cat, do say, please keep your cat inside. Do let them know that your dog will kill it. Your local council probably has rules regarding cats (ours says we must keep our cats contained to our own back yard). If this is the case, you might like to print off the information and pass it on to the neighbours as well. They won't be happy about it, but they'll be even less happy facing a significant fine or a savaged family pet.

        • +4

          +1 For being reasonable.

        • +2

          This is the best solution. The problem is not just the cat but also the irresponsible owners

  • +22

    Release the hound!

  • +3

    Release the dog. Your property, you can do what you want. Bad luck for the cat.

  • +6

    How do you know the cat is killing the birds and fish?
    Bit of an odd scenario here. I hope the cat doesn't get harmed considering it's someone's pet.

    • +1

      As opposed to OP's birds and fish that are getting harmed. If people can't control their pets it's tough luck for them.

      • +6

        I mean, op is proposing to deal with a pet killing animals by letting his pet kill an animal.

    • +3

      Feral cats are pests. Killing local wildlife is what they do. Reducing their population is doing the public a favour.

      • +2

        This is not a feral cat

        • +1

          I agree, it doesn't sound as though it is a feral cat, but cats are pests if not contained in compliance with local council bylaws.
          Cats (naturally) will kill wildlife, birds, etc.

          Owners have a responsibility to contain their cats.

        • +1

          we treat all roaming cats that enters our property as feral cats and as pests. they're dealt with accordingly.

  • +5

    The cat will be too nimble so I doubt the dog can really catch the cat. Especially it's in a backyard all the cat has to do is jump over the fence. You might end up having the backyard ruined by your own dog instead.

    Just show the "massacre" evidence to the cat owner to see what they want to do about it. Otherwise submit it to your local council.

  • +2

    Let the dog out. It's very unlikely the cat will visit the yard whilst a dog is protecting your chickens. I do like cats and wouldn't want to see it dead but if it's stupid enough to visit well then that's it's own fault. If it is killed then as politely as you can despite being enraged return the cat to the owner. Don't dump it.

    And…secure the chicken coop better. Nothing should ever be able to get in. I have a few pesky neighbourhood foxes which can stand outside the coop and look in at the chickens but they cannot get in.

  • +4

    Cats not stupid, if you let your dog out when it wants, it will probably keep the cat away and that will be it.

    • +1

      Owners should keep their pets enclosed on their property. It’s like a burglar waiting to pounce on your house. If you are there, they will be kept away but if you leave, they will break in. I take my dog to the park and family houses. The cat will be back

      • +2

        It sounds like you've already made up your mind and you're just looking for someone to tell you it's ok to straight up murder that cat. It's not.

        • Murder is human on human

        • If I wanted the okay, I wouldn’t be posting on ozbargain as it’s just an uproar of biased cat owners. Having to clean up the mess of dead animals is quite unbareable so I’d rather not have a dead cat on my watch.

        • up murder that cat.

          Killing an animal isn’t murder.

  • +1

    Release the hounds. Cat will stay away.

  • +8

    Most councils will provide a cat trap, and collect the trapped cat and take it to the pound. The owners need to be more responsible and not let their cat out of their own yard. If they can't do that they don't deserve to have a cat as a pet.

    On the other hand, I'm a little concerned that your dog has "…over 40 confirmed bird/pest kills". That is as bad as cats are, so I really hope you do keep in inside / under control as you say.

    • Worse, even - the only creatures my cats have ever caught have been locusts and moths

    • Birds are messy eaters so they attract pests like mice and rats. My dog occasionally kills 1-2 birds but that’s why I keep him inside. The problem is this cat went into my cages and slaughtered the birds

      • +1

        If a cat can get in, then so can a fox. Even if you deal with the cat your animals will continue getting slaughtered because you haven't bothered to secure your cages against foxes.

        • I'm in a very urban part of Sydney, I haven't seen a fox in 6 years.

          • +1

            @sunnyc: Foxes wouldn't survive so well if they allowed themselves to be seen

          • +1

            @sunnyc: There is a greater density of foxes in urban areas than the country. It is highly likely it is foxes not cats. Set up a camera to see what is coming into your yard

  • +2

    Pics or it didn't happen

    • +2

      Pics of the dead animals everywhere? Or the cat?

  • +1

    Talk to the cat's owner and see if they can put up something on their side to keep the cat on their property. We have our place setup so our cats stay in our boundary. I would be very surprised if the cat took out chickens, unless they were very young. I wonder if you have foxes visting as well as the cat? I agree with others that it is probably best to reinforce your chicken coop. What might be a good compromise, to start off with, is to muzzle the dog so he can bark but not attack. The dog barking will be enough to put the fear of God into the cat and it will be very wary of coming back. Would work for foxes too.

    • My dog doesn’t bark. This cat is pretty big but definitely a cat. The birds are torn to shreds but not eaten.

    • May I ask what have you set up that keeps the cat in your property? Would love to let my cats outside but they’d just jump over the walls

      • Have a look at Oscillot. They're pretty expensive though.

        I was looking at it for my parents house, but decided to convert the patio into an enclosure and only let the cat wander around the yard when monitored.

      • In my case a courtyard garden with two storey brick walls and a meshed in the front alcove area.

        However, you can setup something like these
        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aAC_JTdsTCw

        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SPioQRJfgEY

        The secret is to stop the cat getting purchase with their claws. The can jump and climb quite well.

      • I netted up most of my whole backyard/courtyard. My cats can enjoy the sunshine and grass without being at risk of being murdered by psychopaths and their savage dogs (or cars, etc).

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        I got it done by a guy called Mr. Petman, cost about $2000 all up
        http://www.mrpetman.com

        • +2

          Good for you as a responsible pet owner. Fortunately I’ve never lost a cat to a traffic accident and most of my cats restrict themselves to chasing flies or cicadas. Cicadas close up are sonic. The real problem is cats are great problem solvers, they will look at a situation and test the weaknesses for a way out.

          • @try2bhelpful: Pretty sure that was how they described the Velociraptos in Jurassic Park.

            • +2

              @John Kimble: Yeah, I can see the comparison with some of my cats. Everytime you block off one avenue they find another one. “Clever girls”.

        • Pure guantanamo bay-esque.

          • @Yummy: Better than being confined to the house

            Side benefit is cherries, figs and plums are protected from birds!

        • I was very into this idea of enclosing my backyard for the kitties, until the quote I received from a very reputable company was $6000+ for two days work + materials, my max budget is $2000 :(. I have looked at some posts on gumtree and got a quote of $1000. But when I had the colorbond fences done, I found the cheapest one and it breaks 5 times a year. I’m scared of dodgy tradies so I’m staying away from gumtree tradie

          • @Prince K: if you can create some capping that tilts towards your property the cats shouldn’t be able to get out. Have a look at som YouTube DIY ideas on keeping the cats contained.

          • +1

            @Prince K: Have a look at catnets.com.au, you can buy the materials and do it yourself.

  • +4

    How do you know it is the cat? What you described sounds more like a fox. Chickens are nearly as big as cats (or bigger) anyway, a cat would have a tough time killing even one chicken.

  • +1

    You should get some proof before you do anything, OP.

    How would you feel if someone took action against your dog because they thought it took a crap on their lawn, even though you know you keep yours indoors?

    • Well I’m deciding whether to allow my dog to catch whatever it is that is killing my pets. I’ve seen a black cat roam my backyard and seen it again last night coming out of my pet cages.

      • Sure it is a Black Cat, op?

        Maybe its just a ninja in a black burqa.

        :D

      • And you're absolutely certain that it's not a security issue relating to the enclosures? I've owned cats all my life so I'm all too aware that a little chicken wire can go a long way.

        • So cats should roam free?

          • @sunnyc: No, that's not what I said at all, but surely an outcome where nothing else dies is preferable?

          • @sunnyc: Possums kill chickens and birds too. Fix up your shit chicken roost lol

  • +1

    Next thread : My Neighbour's Cat has scratched my dog's eyes out….what do I do? LEL.

    • Highly doubt it, I’ve seen my dog pin down German shepherds and dogs weighing 2-3x as much.

      • +2

        Is this your neighbour's cat?

        https://youtu.be/JRhV8YoEUqA

        If so then your dog is screwed.

      • Cats are no German shepherds though, because they're far more agile and nimble. Like another poster said, having your dog outdoors may at most prevent the cat from entering your backyard, but the dog won't be able to do anything to the cat.

  • +1

    release the kraken

    • Aaarrrr

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  • +1

    Firstly no your dog won't be able to catch the cat they're almost always too quick and agile for dogs. But cats do not enter backyards if they can smell a dog around so keep the dog outside at night in the backyard and you'll likely never see the cat around again.

  • +1
    1. Are you sure its 'that' cat?

    2. If you are certain it is, tell the owners.

    3. Whilst you tell the owners, tell the local RSPCA and/or local council as well.

    4. Killing a cat? Come on, what are we? Iraq in the 1990's?

    • -3

      nobody said killing a cat. There is a chance the cat will die when caught.

  • +9

    "He has over 40 confirmed bird/pest kills."

    "As a responsible pet owner"

    No mate, you're kidding yourself. You are no better than the cat owner.

  • Buy a trail camera to record what's happening in your yard when you're not home.
    Buy a cat trap. Good to own as this won't be the last time you will be needing to use it most likely.

    • I have CCTV. The cat trap seems like a bigger rat trap.

      • +2

        If you have CCTV, then has it recorded the said cat killing your birds and fishes?

        • Most likely it has, I just didn't check because I witnessed the cat jump out of the cage with my own eyes

          • @sunnyc: The neighbours who own the cat may be more inclined to take some action if you showed them a CCTV footage of their cat destroying your livestock.

  • OP, what type of dog breed do you have out of curiosity?

    • I've got a husky.

  • +1

    Well, all I can say is that if you want to protect your dog (which I'm sure you do), I'd suggest not intentionally provoking it to attack the cat. If you have seen a dog try and kill a cat, you'll know that it's one of the most awful things to witness. My dog really doesn't like cats, but we rarely, if ever get cats in our back yard, but when I lived with my folks years ago, she got a hold of this cat. It was a hell of an awful sort of noise. The cat was more or less hanging off of my dog's face when we finally got down to where they'd ended up. The dog was crying out in pain and the cat was going mental (I don't blame the poor thing). In the end, we managed to pry the claws from the dogs face, and get the cat away, which amazingly was uninjured, but the dog was bleeding over the face, punctures on her nose, a few just under her eyes. I think the dog just wanted to chase and scare the cat away, but backed it into a corner it couldn't escape from so the cat just latched onto the dog.

    If we hadn't intervened I'm certain our dog would have had pretty significant eye injuries, and I mean, cats are just animals like the dog, and it would have just been a horrible, horrible mess for both if the dog had actually tried to kill it.

    • +1

      Wow this is awful. Lucky you managed to get to your dog in time. As you said it could have been alot worse!

      • Yep, definitely. The dog was more or less just sort standing there crying out not knowing what to do. I felt bad for her, but all the same, she got a lesson.

    • +2

      arm your dog with tactical mask & vibranium claws

    • +1

      My mother used to have a cat that hunted snakes. They could tell by the way it was “snaking” through the grass with its tail in the air. Also, One day a dog from another farm came on the property and the cat jumped on its back, sunk the claws in and rode it off the property. Cat claws, bites, are not a joke - a friend of ours ended up with a very badly infected hand when he was attecked by a neighbourhood Tom and one of our cats was off to the vet several times from fights with other cats.

      • Ha! Poor dog, that’s kind of funny though. Rodeo dog.

    • -2

      I'm not too worried, if the cat latches onto my dog, I'll just pick it off. If my dog catches the cat, I'll just quickly take it out of his mouth.
      I've got pet insurance and pet health care.
      Like my dog pinns down dogs that are 2-3x his weight and are classified as some of the most powerful dogs.

      • No offence but your dog sounds like more of a problem than the cat. I would be very reluctant to have a "powerful" dog that has shown aggression.

  • Hmmmmmm

  • Your dog has 40 kills of birds/pests and you are a responsible pet owner :)

    The only pests are cats/foxes and Indian miners. What else has your dog killed?

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