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Ryzen 5 1600 3.2Ghz $183.20
Ryzen 5 2600 3.4Ghz $215.20
Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6Ghz $287.20
Ryzen 7 1700 3.0Ghz $271.20
AMD Ryzen CPU - Ryzen5 1600 $183.20, Ryzen5 2600 $215.20, Ryzen5 2600X $287.20, Ryzen7 1700 $271.20 Shipped @ Futu Online eBay
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Simple, Intel have been ecking out minute improvements to their processors for years; a few Mhz here or there, maybe 6 cores if you are very good, and all at very high prices.
Now AMD have come along and gone "8 cores, 16 threads, $330" and made Intel look both a long way behind, and massively over priced. Intel STILL haven't managed to come back with a real response a year and a half later. Their 8 core chip is still vapourware.
Part of the problem for this is their die shrink was supposed to come in 2016, and it won't happen till 2019. Intel have gone from tick-tock to tick-tock-tock-tock-tock-tock - they are a broken clock.
Meanwhile AMD have delivered, at a sane price, and are gearing up for their 7nm chips, probably with up to double the cores of their first Ryzens, next year. And they will slot into the same motherboards the first Ryzens used (another problem with Intel).
2019 is not thought to be a good for Intel.
Not to mention that Intel stuffed up big on their design and now have too many security holes to patch which is a bad on itself, but especially so considering fixes are not so easy to do and are coming with big performance hit. It is so bad they tried to forbid anyone to post benchmark results after patch is applied. How full the pants should be for anyone to make such idiotic decisions? That speaks a lot, they dug the hole themselves plus being monopolistic aholes does not help with customer loyalty. AMD timing with the shiny new CPUs is perfect as its specs and the price tag. Even without all the stuff ups from Intel it would be a winner. But with the big clown programme Intel folks put together it is a no-brainer.
I posted before on a laptop deal containing an Intel processor. I mentioned these security flaws and I got downvoted to oblivion.
It money was no object for me. I would change my rig to this ryzen setup easily.
@ChickenAdobo: I think I saw that happening to you. Didn't make any sense to me why they'd down vote.
Exploitation of meltdown, Spectre and all its variants are still quite esoteric and proof of concept. So take the FUD with a pinch of salt. Especially as browser-based mitigations have been released, so run of the mill attacks will almost certainly fail.
Spectre and it's variants affect both Intel and AMD CPUs.
I'd say the issues with Intel ME and its ilk are significantly way more concerning and should actually impact buying decisions.
@gearhead: Yeah, but he was the one posting the deal, and decided to warn people. What he said wasn't really neg-worthy. There's also a significant performance drop after each micro-code update to patch these flaws which should be taken into account.
I agree that ME is concerning, but AMD is not much better in this regard.
Sorry mate, I replied to the wrong post. I agree there is no need to downvote a deal containing Intel processors.
There are a ton of folk (myself included; as I quite value single-threaded performance) who have different requirements and Intel CPUs definitely make more sense to them. This is not a good reason to stay away from Intel, as AMD has issues with Spectre variants as well.
I wouldn't bother with the Meltdown and Spectre patches as a standard consumer. The performance hit on certain workloads is pretty severe (anything that requires branch prediction and speculative exec). IMHO, they should typically concern folks doing shared infrastructure hosting, or in situations where a hypervisor breakout would be very dangerous (e.g. malware analysts).
The JavaScript PoCs for Meltdown are largely mitigated by all major browser vendors (MS, Mozilla; Chromium based browsers have a workaround using site-isolation).
Here is a useful reference to check patching for Meltdown/Spectre:
https://github.com/hannob/meltdownspectre-patches
thanks for the detailed response @sane! sounds like my next PC would be an AMD.
Both Intel and AMD are guilty of having flawed hardware:
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/amd-ryzenfall-securi…
@xuqi: what a joker… Ryzen fall was described as someone handing over the car keys which was the only way for to be accessed and "hacked" which they also patched. Meltdown is a mess and so is spectre.
Exhibit A https://redmondmag.com/articles/2018/01/18/intel-server-lags…
Exhibit B https://www.imore.com/intel-says-you-cant-publish-benchmarks…
made Intel look both a long way behind, and massively over priced
Intel in still a better choice in certain scenarios such as gaming.
But sure, broken clocks or something, that explains everything.
Don’t know why this is getting downvoted. Intel is definitely a better choice than AMD ryzen for some tasks. I’ve been thinking about an upgrade for some time. Intel is still the better option for Lightroom (2700x can be slower than a 3 year old intel), and some programming language that uses maths libraries optimised for intel.
Part of the point of the tock-tock-tock is that they have had to stretch out performance from the same die system. If you can't fit more transistors in to the same size, all you can do is try and push the frequency up a bit and tweak the IPC.
Now faster single cores a nice for single threaded tasks (like many existing games), but it's not long before the game developers start pushing the thread count. They are always looking for more, and high thread count is obviously the future.
So that, and the reality that AMD have been pushing the individual core performance higher, means the gap on even games has been closing - and as I say, if you want to aim at where things are going, AMD provides a more future proof direction.
@aggregate:
The cost of new RAM is high, and ought to be considered in the the upgrade. Your given example may support far cheaper DDR3, whereas the cost to upgrade and the cost of jumping to having to use new expensive RAM ought to be considered.
How long on the code?
AMD is releasing 2nd gen CPUs and I heard some gen 1 CPU price drop 50%.
Intel CPUs are adding more and more bugs. No Intel for me only AMD!
lol what? AMD doesnt have Meltdowns and constant security flaws and once patch will ruin performance
https://techcrunch.com/2018/01/11/intel-details-performance-…
https://redmondmag.com/articles/2018/01/18/intel-server-lags…lel
Diji1 is obviously talking about Spectre, which affects practically all modern CPU designs.
Spectre is a Speculative Execution bug hence the name SPEC-tre. :) Yeah, Info-sec types love bombastic names.
Diji1 is correct. Not sure why people are falling for the incorrect assumption that only Intel has security issues in their chips.
https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-7043…
Here are the CVEs for ARM:
https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-1569…
pathetic intel shills
don't support Intel's shitty business practices
tldr: writes in a ban on benchmarking microcode (fixes to meltdown/spectre bugs), backtracks after people get angry
I wonder if I need to upgrade my 5820k, the MB had been playing up. A new MB will cost a lot for this old socket.
What do the geeks think?
If you're okay with your GPU and CPU combo you can look into the second hand market for a cheap mobo.
If you feel your CPU is underpowered for your needs get upgrading! This is pretty good value.
https://www.techspot.com/review/1558-core-i7-5820k-test-in-2… - perfect review for you. Improvements are there with Ryzen, uses a lot less power too.
On the other hand there's some refurb X99 boards on ebay for sub-$200. Or try somewhere like Overclockers Australia on their for sale forum (although their search engine is wonky, doesn't seem to want to search for "X99")
Yep.
And if he can trade his 5820x for a 5960x for a little more money, he should also gain a lot of performance.
Enough to match the mighty Core i7-6900k and AMD r7-2700x (don't even look at the new but crappy 7820x).It will be tough since people still cling to their 5960x's with their life, kinda like those who cling to their 2500k's and 3770k's.
Thanks everyone, the CPU performance is adequate for now and does what I want from it.
I will be looking into replacing the MB then, it sucks to pay so much for MB and not last more than two years.
I don't know what the statuary warranty would be in this case?Seen a few LGA2011 parts on the usual fb groups lately
which fb group is that?
Most manufacturers cover their motherboards for 3 years, so if you have a copy of the receipt no reason why you won't obtain RMA.
I had one of the manufacturers refund the original purchase price for a S2011-3 motherboard when they couldn't replace it.
Thanks I have initiated an RMA through the store. The store initially offered a refund but then reneged on it within five minutes. I'm waiting for the manufacturer. Apparently it will take three weeks.
Always wait 6 months for amd CPU to drop in price.
Not worth buying day one.You do realise these are all first gen Ryzen's right? Been quite a while since day one for these…
2600 is 1st gen? Don't think so
I think the point he is trying to make is that these all came out over a year ago (except the 2600), so the 6 month wait remark is invalid. Over 12 months has past.
@stormii: Regardless if it has passed 12 months, dont buy a ryzen on release, they drop in price quicker than Intel.
people downvoting me for helping them save money, i mean we are on ozbargin lmao@dealhunter42: Dude, I'm OzB, I never buy on release, I let everyone else beta test for me first. So we do agree.
That Ryzen 5 1600 is happily keeping up with a 1080 in one of my rigs, its quite a good bang for buck cpu.
Except its a little "dear" in this deal. I expected the 1600 to be $150 which would in fact be a steal, and the bargain of the bunch. In this bunch, the best value actually comes from the 1700 for $270 bucks… though I would've expected it to drop closer to the $250.
And if I had to choose between a 1700 for $250, a 1600 for $150, and a 1400 for $100:
I would get the r5 1400 for $100 and put that extra $50-$100 savings to upgrade from a b350 motherboard to a nice x470 motherboard.
That r5 1400 is plenty fast enough to keep pace with a i7-2600k or a i7-7700k, which is still considered high-end, and I would upgrade the CPU to a Zen2 (aka Ryzen v3.0) next year. Why? Because they are still behind in terms of IPC (~10%) and behind in frequency (~15%)… and in 2019 most of that gap is supposed to be closed with the revamped architecture and higher-efficiency lithography. That's the time to upgrade from the 3.9GHz 4c/8t workhorse to a 4.9GHz 8c/16t dragon, and the better specced motherboard is going to help.I think mine came to roughly $163 with a code, so $150 would be a steal.
Ozbargain should support the heck out of AMD so we can get out of being in a monopoly again for another decade!
While i agree competition is good for the consumer at the end of the day, i'll still buy and consider Intel as they are King of CPU's
with all due respect if you consider intel the king of CPU's you haven't been keeping up with the news recently !
Or maybe you haven't seen the new 9th gen intel CPU's that have been announced !
$205 for the 2600 and $250 for the 2600x should be the sweet deal
The 1700 being cheaper makes the 2600X a hard sell. Once overclocked to 3.8-3.9Ghz the 1700 is only behind about 10 fps @1080p ultra when paired with a 1080Ti, but it has an additional 2 cores/4 threads for heavier workloads.
I ended up with a 2700X, the thing is a beast of an all rounder but the bang for buck is still an overclocked 1600 or 1700 non-x for a CPU that will last years.
Hi @AEKaBeer
I'm looking at building a computer and only just getting into understanding the different generations, how important single vs multi core processing is etc. My understanding is that the X in 2600x means it overclockable. I won't be overclocking so I'm thinking of getting the 2600. The 1700 is the first generation '7' series AMD ryzen, and hence it would be better than the 6 core 2600, but i'm wondering if that multi core benefit will only show if I was a photo/video creator, and other extremely intense programs. I would only be using it for chrome word etc (everyday stuff), and some moderate gaming. In your experience would a 2600, 1070ti, 16gb ram (ddr4 3000 be sufficient?All Ryzen processors are overclockable on any motherboard with a "B" or "X" chipset (B350/450 mid-range, X370/470 high-end), regardless of whether or not they have a suffix. The "X" suffix on a Ryzen processor typically denotes higher base and boost clock speeds, and/or a higher stock TDP rating (typically 95W, or 105W for the 2700X, vs the standard 65W).
2nd generation Ryzen processors use a slightly updated manufacturing process that allows for higher clock speeds and lower internal latencies which means better single core performance when compared to a 1st generation Ryzen processor.
If you aren't going to be overclocking, or don't use programs that will scale well with more Zen cores, then an R5 2600 will be faster for you than an R7 1700.
None of the processors in this deal should bottleneck a GTX 1070 Ti in recent games. An R5 2600 paired with a GTX 1070 Ti and 16GB of DDR4-3000 would be a suitable pairing.
Thank you for your effort in the explanation, that really helps clarify!
darn 2600 out of stock already :(
Are there any software compatibility issues with AMD that we need to keep in mind? I kept reading last year about Adobe releasing patches for CC AMD fixes, made me a bit wary.
Will mainly be using it for Adobe Creative Suite and Da Vinci Resolve.
Shouldn't be any compatibility issues. This is not like GPU workloads where Adobe generally is better on nVidia than AMD. Generally speaking AMD is better value where Intel CPUs are more performant (but at a significantly worse cost:performance ratio). If I was buying a new CPU now, a last gen AMD (probably Threadripper) would be my pick - and I've never bought an AMD product in my nearly 20 years of building PCs. The value is phenomenal.
I can highly recommend these for almost every purpose. They're find for gaming and excellent for software development.
IPC in the 2xxx ryzens is almost on-par with Intel, but if you really need maximum single-threaded performance, you're still better off with Intel because you can reach higher clock-speeds.
I haven't encountered any scenarios where my 2700X @ 4.3ghz has been limited in this way.
You know, i never really catch on to the 20% off with price jack thing until today. For the 2600x, they jack up the price from $309 (PCCG) to $417 or around 35% more. Was looking for 2700x myself and they upped the price to $799 from $469. That is an awesome 70% more! Yeah I used their current listed RRP but this is just plain insane!!
Bought the Ryzen 5 2600 for $208 after the code (before cashrewards) last week. That listing (for $260) has now ended though…was chasing the 1600 but for $25 extra I went the 2600.. hope it's worth the extra $ :)
I've had the 2600 for about 4 months, has been very stable, incredibly happy with performance. The MSY motherboard I matched it with was a bit of a pig at first but I've sorted most of the issues now.
Yeah can vouch for the 2600 performance got one myself a few weeks back on the $205 deal. Easy runs all cores at 4ghz bench results here http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/10103684. Pretty decent single core performance.
Hi @4foxache and @alterego13
Have either of you used the 2600 for gaming, and if yes what RAM and GPU are you using? Cheers :)@Griefbringer: Yes and its very good. Details are all in that benchmark link. I've got 16GB Corsair LPX and an RX480. I game at 2560x1440 and even with that GPU I can play Ultra settings on most games at around 60fps.
16gb of Corsair Vengance LPX and GTX1070. Games run great, 110+ FPS on Ultra with PUBG, 100+ on ultra with Wolfenstein II, 175+ on ultra with sea of thieves (all at 1080 due to 5 year old monitor). Thats all I have tried thus far.
If you're looking to upgrade the stock cooler, I can vouch for the performance of the Coolermaster H411, very worthwhile upgrade for $30. You might get better cooling with a more expensive cooler, but bang for buck I've been very happy with it.
@shtgnjns: Thanks so much for the replies, I think you've given me enough to finally bite the bullet and start building :D
@Griefbringer:
I haven't received the CPU yet so can't comment. But looking at 4foxache's replies, it seems we're building a monster of PC!!
I just received my RX 570 from the other deal posted by Scrimshaw. They sent me a 'strix' instead of the 'Expedition' and it was delivered with exceptional speed…startrack! Ordered early morning on Friday…on my desk this morning at 10:30 !!!
Waiting for the Case, CPU, Mobo, RAM and SSD!
AMD Ryzen 7 2700X goes to 431 AUD after PARENT
I paied $390 back then, Sold the cpu cooler for $40…$350!
Would you think it's better to wait for a better price?
If you were to buy from alliance computer yes. They are the only one that doesn't change their price on ebay. It is was a 15% DISCOUNT ebay. Any thing higher than this they will be out.
@Dienk: So the thing is that I'm going to build a new rig next month as soon as I move, I don't care who I buy from ,just that it is cheap enough :p
@demiurgo: certainly cheaper then Intels offering especially in price/performance and advantage of productivity. If you dont need 8 cores go for the 2600 or 2600X and that is already hella cheap!
@OWKnowitall1: I'm about to get one, I just need to find out why the mobos don't appear to be ebay plus, so I can avoid paying 15 shipping :)
noob question - is there any article I can read on ryzen to understand why they appear so popular? Is it a better performer than intel at the same price range?