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[NSW] $33 to Replace 15 or More Halogen Downlights with LED Downlights @ Aussie Greenmarks

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[NSW] $33 to Replace 15 or More Halogen Downlights with LED Downlights @ Aussie Greenmarks
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Ash-Say on 27/05/2018 - 08:31 aussiegreenmarks.com.au (3739 clicks)
Last edited 27/05/2018 - 14:27 by 1 other user

The NSW Government has launched a lighting upgrade offer for households.

The purpose of the offer is to help eligible households replace old lights with new LED bulbs. The cost of the LED bulbs and the fee for installation is subsidised.

https://powertosave.nsw.gov.au/households/discounted-energy-…

My area is covered by Aussie Greenamrks which apparently is offering replacement of 15 or more downlights for $33. This offer is for residential and small business.

Further information from website:

Our offer is to help eligible households replace old lights with new LED lightings. The cost of the LED lights and the fee for installation is subsidised. You will need to make a minimum payment for the lighting upgrade. For households & small businesses, the minimum is $33* including GST.

*In order to qualify, the resident must be living within metro-Sydney and have existing downlights for us to replace. Replace a minimum 15 x 35/50W MR16 or GU10 halogen lamps, no cap in additional lights. Additional cost may apply, depending on the assessment.

Additional costs – not included in $33 offer

a) $10.00 to convert from MR16(non-dimmable) to GU10 (dimmable)

b) $17.99 per Zodiac lamp & driver – not valid with $33 offer

c) $19.99 per Eclipse downlight kit – not valid with $33 offer

d) $15.00 per dimmer disabled

e) $60.00 per dimmer switch upgraded (if the existing dimmer is not compatible)

Additional costs are not limited to the above charges.

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  • rlexyd on 27/05/2018 - 08:47
    +1

    So you're telling me I can change all my old halogen down lights to new led one in my house of maybe 25-30 min-dimmabble lights for just $33? No other hidden fees!

    • Ash-Say on 27/05/2018 - 08:50
      +5

      I am not associated with them. I want to change 50+ downlights and have sent them enquiry. Will keep you guys updated.

    • rlexyd on 27/05/2018 - 09:13

      Sorry, meant to type Non-Dimmable

    • eciuj on 27/05/2018 - 10:15

      These companies claim the amount from the government so the more you install the more they can claim. You could install 2 and still pay $33 but it wouldnt be worth this companies time to come out and just claim 2 installs from the government. The min 15 installs is imposed by the company, not the government.

      This government initiative is great for people who have halogen downlights.

      I wonder how much installers can claim per install. Does anyone know?

      • PAPower on 27/05/2018 - 14:48

        The minimum that NSW govt. sets is about 10 lights or 4 ESCs (NSW energy saving certificates). Also you gotta pay at least $33 and nominate the company to be your power saver company.

      • timgriffin on 28/05/2018 - 08:04

        The NSW govt page says the supplier has to tell you exactly the saving. I sent off a quote to 2 places for 20 halogens. Will let you know!

    • D6C1 on 27/05/2018 - 14:30

      No other hidden fees!

      Hidden fees are in your electricity bill. Do you think that your bill will be less? The more of those initiatives and the more we save electricity, the more out of pocket the power companies are. What will happen then?

      You are right. Our rates go up to make the difference. Sigh

    • poboy on 27/05/2018 - 14:41

      I can answer this. $33 is for unlimited non dimmable lights. Some companies, like accreditedpowersaver.com.au can replace unlimited GU10 dimmable downlights as part of the $33 fee, otherwise it's about $10 per MR16.

  • miruki on 27/05/2018 - 08:51
    +6

    From their website -

    Additional costs – not included in $33 offer

    a) $10.00 to convert from MR16(non-dimmable) to GU10 (dimmable)

    b) $17.99 per Zodiac lamp & driver – not valid with $33 offer

    c) $19.99 per Eclipse downlight kit – not valid with $33 offer

    d) $15.00 per dimmer disabled

    e) $60.00 per dimmer switch upgraded (if the existing dimmer is not compatible)

    Additional costs are not limited to the above charges

    • Ash-Say on 27/05/2018 - 08:52
      +1

      Updated listing to reflect these costs.

  • Worf on 27/05/2018 - 08:53

    Does anyone know what brand the replacement LEDs are, or what their qualityis like?

    • outlander on 27/05/2018 - 09:53
      +5

      Bottom dollar. They'll end up looking like crap and break after a year.
      These fly by night companies are all the same

      • sw00p on 27/05/2018 - 09:59

        You gonna back those claims up with any research or data?

        • outlander on 27/05/2018 - 10:02
          +20

          It's 'government subsidised'
          How often does that prove to deliver value-for-money results..

        • poboy on 27/05/2018 - 14:43
          +1

          It's actually not gov subsidised. It's electricity retailer subsidised. But that's complicated to explain, so they say government subsidised.

      • Scotch on 27/05/2018 - 11:32
        +4

        I agree. Had this very thing happen to me. Paid $5 per downlight. They are crap quality and some have broken, no response back from the greenxx company (always change their name with 'GREEN' wording in the company name). Furthermore, the LEDs are quite sharp on the eyes, and can give headaches. I would suggest LED downlights with a frosted coating so you cannot see the individual LEDS, and make sure its an all in one solution. If you have an existing DIMMER, they will replace the downlights with a dimmer compatible solution but your dimmer switch when turned completely on may cause flickering - if you are epileptic(which I am not just FYI), this will cause fits.
        Do your research people before committing, and before being blind sighted by cost effectiveness which in this case is not advantageous in my opinion - from a health and quality aspect.

    • zzyss on 28/05/2018 - 10:29

      On their FAQ it says "Quality Brands we stock include Emerald Planet, EcoBulb, and Primsal" so I guess probably one of these three? If you're lucky, Primsal. Never heard of the other two.

  • adrianhughes1998 on 27/05/2018 - 08:57

    Good idea to save electricity. I spent 60 to get all mine done but cut my bills by at least a third each time

  • DoesntEvenMatter on 27/05/2018 - 09:00
    +1

    Changed about 40 2yrs ago in Melb for freeee. It was a gov scheme with no charge whatsoever so this 33 is odd

    • Ash-Say on 27/05/2018 - 09:01
      +3

      VIC is fully subsidised but NSW is not.

      • chrism238 on 27/05/2018 - 09:16
        +9

        Don't feel bad - both states are subsidised by WA's GST.

        • Eeples on 27/05/2018 - 09:56
          +2

          Yes, it makes sense because WA clearly has the strongest fiscal capacity.

        • chrism238 on 27/05/2018 - 10:25
          +1

          @Eeples: So do many other states, if their income from gambling taxes was included in the GST calculation.

      • hurr1cane on 27/05/2018 - 09:43

        Can you pls provide some link in vic to upgrade to led downloghts

    • cloudy on 27/05/2018 - 10:58

      Better scheme for everyone that it cost money than free. Government schemes that are free are just poorly designed.

      I know households that buy cheap halogen lights from supermarkets and get on to the Victoria scheme to get it changed for free. They had a choice of buying the LEDs themselves, but why pay $8 a globe when you can buy halogens for $2, and get contractors and the government departments involved to subsidise the cost.

      And What happens to the newly bought halogen lights? Binned.

      • poboy on 27/05/2018 - 14:48
        +1

        What you described is illegal under the scheme. If an installer was caught doing this there would be big trouble, triggering an audit across their other jobs and freezing their certificates until the investigation is compete. It would pretty much close their business.

        • cloudy on 28/05/2018 - 08:03

          I remember when they used to give away those timer power boards, I’ve got 5 at home because it was easier to just take them from the door knockers than to convince them we didn’t need them. If they even costed a token dollar we could tell the spruikers we don’t have money. But when it’s free, dodgy sht happens. Don’t worry about legality. No one gets caught and punished.

  • CyberMurning on 27/05/2018 - 09:02

    So if I have less than 15 I'm not eligible? How big a house to have 15 or more light bulbs?

    • david07 on 27/05/2018 - 09:14

      depends on the company my mum chose a company that left something in her letterbox that said you needed to have at least 10 to be eligible

    • coxymla on 27/05/2018 - 11:14

      Some houses have downlights in one or more bedrooms.
      But you're right, my house is relatively large and only has 14 in the common areas.

      • WhyAmICommenting on 27/05/2018 - 13:49

        Surely they'd say "close enough" if you are in NSW and want this deal

    • PAPower on 27/05/2018 - 14:51

      How many do you have? 10 usually is the minimum (NSW govt. sets it) but it depends on what type of transformer lies in your roof. Sometimes you can upgrade 9 for $33.

    • timgriffin on 28/05/2018 - 08:05

      Ask your neighbour if they want to do a joint upgrade :)

  • Janko on 27/05/2018 - 09:43

    Had a look at my area in NSW, covered by Green Home Green Planet. $5 per globe, minimum 10 globes. But it also says to pay $7 per globe at time of installation.

    May as well give it a go as 7W LED globes seem to be around $14 on Bunnings.

    • Ash-Say on 27/05/2018 - 09:50

      Another provider is Ecovantage who are charging flat fee of $14.99 per light change.

      https://powertosave.ecovantage.com.au/homes

      • mantoh on 27/05/2018 - 10:03

        yeah they are seemed to be reasonably priced.

      • yktay2 on 27/05/2018 - 11:28

        so if I have 20 halogens then it would cost me $300 for ecovantage?
        and $33 if I go with greenmarks?

        • Janko on 27/05/2018 - 15:31

          Greenmarks only said they service metro Sydney so I couldn't use them. GHGP was the only choice I had in the Central Coast.

  • cyssero on 27/05/2018 - 09:52

    I wonder if this would cover a small strata complex with 20-30 halogen lights in common areas. Great initiative all the same.

  • SmiTTy on 27/05/2018 - 09:58
    +7

    Can I suggest you link to the power to save campaign because there are other providers as well

    https://powertosave.nsw.gov.au/households/discounted-energy-…

  • Timfoo on 27/05/2018 - 10:08
    +1

    We are now at a level where the new LED Downlights are very Similiar
    Brightness and colour temperature to existing halogen. I have no doubt these will be Similiar to then vic 21C scheme where as the Primsal MR16 globe was used and it was ABSOLUTELY fantastic!!

    Some one get these installed and post some photos up plz!

  • gimme on 27/05/2018 - 10:20

    Tons of companies popped up in VIC for a similar initiative. Some good most not. Research properly based on your situation and you may find a good one. Always check the fine print. I did mine 2 years ago and everything works great.

  • stockastics on 27/05/2018 - 10:42

    Only 2 suppliers in my area..

  • whooah1979 on 27/05/2018 - 10:43
    +3

    subsidised schemes like this is a waste of tax revenue. Just like the roofing insulation, shower heads and cfl bulbs years ago.

    • zzyss on 28/05/2018 - 10:02

      I agree, for the most part.

      They should do places like hotels and businesses that use hundreds of these lights and run them constantly.

  • smarter_fool on 27/05/2018 - 10:48
    +1

    How bright are these downlights. I have been looking at replacing my halogens for sometime but never jumped fearing the lights won't be bright enough. Anyone installed using the scheme recently know what the wattage per downlights is?

    • rifter on 27/05/2018 - 11:00

      If your halogens are more than a couple of years old they will already have dimmed a lot and you will find 7w leds will probably be as bright or brighter.

    • poboy on 27/05/2018 - 14:50

      About 450 lumens usually.

  • roofyapple on 27/05/2018 - 10:53

    Are you guys saying this is not a good offer and would most likely cost more than the $33 advertised? Isn't it still a good offer knowing this is converting to LED regardless of how good the globes is they supply?

    • markwid on 27/05/2018 - 18:37
      +3

      Short answer is yes, this is NOT a good offer.

      Long answer below:
      1. Color me cynical but when an offer sounds too good you have to be VERY cautious and do your homework.
      2. Min is $33 but there are many gotchas that will pump the quote up a LOT.
      Example 1, many people with halogen are likely on 50W MR16. This puts out about 800 lumens. Going to 6W LED would not be bright enough, so they will likely upsell you the more expensive kits they have.
      Example 2. if you have dimmers, they will slap you with more fees to remove the dimmers or upgrade to suitable dimmers for LEDs.

      Having done LED upgrades myself, I recommend using good quality products with integrated driver and housing. Best way is to put in standard plug bases in the roof and buy integrated all-in-one LED/driver/housing that just plugs in like any other electrical appliances.

      Would also recommend 10W LED to replace 50W halogen. Decent quality 10W non-dimmable I purchased recently is about $7/$8 each.

      • roofyapple on 27/05/2018 - 20:30

        Thanks but wouldn’t it still be worth getting them to change the housing so that it’s LED compatible. Get them to install the bulbs and just replace the bulbs yourself with better ones? Wouldn’t the cost be all in the electrical stuff they need to do to make it LED compatible? Isn’t the cost for this covered rather than having to call your own sparky.

        • markwid on 27/05/2018 - 21:23
          +1

          I wouldn't. As replied, this offer is NOT a good one; many gotchas. I think better to do it right rather than do it twice.

          Suggest reading this guide on buying led downlights, then choose the right products for you and get sparky in.

          https://www.lectory.com.au/buying/resource-library/led-downl…

          If you want to save more, get sparky to install standard plug base only. Do rest of job yourself (plug in the all-in-one unit and fit into ceiling).

        • roofyapple on 28/05/2018 - 18:51

          @markwid: Thanks

          Are there any rebates if done via my own electrician?

        • markwid on 28/05/2018 - 20:54

          @roofyapple:

          Probably not. Check the rebate program website for approved suppliers.

          Sounds like you are hard-up on getting the rebate and prioritise that above all else.

          If so, GO for it! Possible that you dodge all hidden costs and pay only $33. And also possible that you are entirely happy with the outcome with the lighting.

          Warning, superfluous analogy below:
          Are you a car buyer that latch on to a discount then pick out a car that qualifies or do you choose a car you like/want and then find the right deal for it?

  • R4 on 27/05/2018 - 10:59

    If these replacement LEDs are not Philips (or, maybe, Osram), they are not up to scratch and won't last very long

    • rifter on 27/05/2018 - 11:02

      Warranty. They must be fit for purpose which for leds is many thousands of hours.

      • Scotch on 27/05/2018 - 11:37

        They may work for up to thousands of hours, which doesn't mean they are good. There are many crap quality products deemed passable for our market - which is simply disappointing. They have bad build quality normally due to cheap bulk Chinese manufacturing, and have an unpleasant sharpness to the eye, with the exposed individual LEDS in the Downlight themselves(normally 4 - 8 LEDS can be seen depending on wattage output per light. May I suggest you research further before committing on the right solution for you.

      • R4 on 27/05/2018 - 12:39

        My experience is the opposite. I'm an electrical person and having been using domestic LEDs for at least 10 years. You can buy 10 identical MR16 LEDs that promise, say, 25k hours and some may last that, but some of them won't - some may actually last longer. So many factors at play - design and QC of the manufacturer, how installed, ventilation, vibration (admittedly not as big an issue as with halogen) etc. The only brand that I have used that have given consistent quality and give a light output that is anywhere near decent is Philips - especially their Master range. Osram is a good 2nd place but basically cost the same as Philips, so no point. Bunnings stock them and price match if you can get them cheaper. Everything else is a waste of money and time IMO

        http://www.ledbenchmark.com/list.php?order=1&thumbnails&fitt…

  • Aceboy884 on 27/05/2018 - 11:33
    +2

    Anyone remember the days when they were giving out light bulbs and claiming energy reduction from the government

    Probably one of the biggest green scams in recent times

  • denpol85 on 27/05/2018 - 12:10

    Anyone who has changed to LED downlights have flickering issues during off-peak?

    • R4 on 27/05/2018 - 12:51

      No but could be one of a few issues:
      If a dimmer is installed, it could be causing this. Clipsal dimmers are the best and tend to work with all LEDs
      The transformer could be the issue. Some LEDs will work with all types of electronic transformers, some will not. Try a brand new electronic transformer or get an old school iron-core type - all LEDs will work with those
      The LEDs themselves could crap - all LEDs are not created equal

    • sillycattle on 27/05/2018 - 13:07

      Yes. It's the off-peak ripple signal. Usually only notice on dimmable lights.

    • Clemfandango on 27/05/2018 - 17:58

      Yep, I had this and regular blow outs until the transformers were replaced.

    • tessel on 28/05/2018 - 07:22

      No, using dimmable and no flickering, Phillips. However, they gave me terrible headaches for 2 weeks before my eyes adjusted. I had never used led lights before. All good now and no problems at all.

  • mmkardart on 27/05/2018 - 13:08

    What's the wattage of the replacement LEDs?
    Believe it may be 6W – can someone comment on its brightness please? Don't want my family members to spoon dinner onto their noses
    Thanks for the post OP!

    • Ash-Say on 27/05/2018 - 13:16

      Looks like they are all 6W with 520LM maximum and 60 degree beam angle.

      • [Deactivated] on 27/05/2018 - 14:53

        Thanks no way air will bother

  • [Deactivated] on 27/05/2018 - 16:17

    No shortage of shonks milking the government cow. Thanks Berejiklian for propping up another mob of dodgy shonks.

  • Janko on 27/05/2018 - 17:54
    +3

    Surely they could just offer cashbacks on LED lamp purchases rather than getting electricians involved.

  • discobean on 27/05/2018 - 23:09

    I had a door to door guy come from this company, I replaced 68 bulbs, and it was $33, they wanted to charge me to disconnect the dimmers but I told the electrician that came I would do it myself and save him the hassle. They only replaced the bulbs, they work great, couldn't be happier. I believe there would be other companies that do the same thing.

  • timgriffin on 28/05/2018 - 08:06

    Thanks for sharing Tipu. I've been putting this off for years!

  • BeamMeUp on 28/05/2018 - 09:23

    Had all my downlights replaced in Vic years ago for free. I think only 1 has failed since then so pretty happy. It was on the back of a door knocker who provided the service but had all the info and ID for the service.
    Recently had a guy come to the door about replacing my external flood lights with LED versions. Again had papers and ID, I had 7 front and back of the old 150w Para flood lights. He replaced all of them for a flat fee of $10 and all still working fine. So a good service i recon. I also had a follow up survey call from the company checking things were done as per the paperwork the guy submitted and that i was satisfied.

  • dimitryp on 28/05/2018 - 10:00

    Replaced all my downlights a year ago (about 30 of them) myself, and all the new bulbs cost me around $400.
    This pays for itself within a year via electricity savings (so has already paid for itself) so i'm not too annoyed, and got all good quality bulbs with the lumens and colour temperature i wanted.
    May've been nice to do this cheapo install and save myself the $400 but thats alright - it wasnt available at the time anyway (NSW).

  • Ash-Say on 28/05/2018 - 10:13

    Just spoke them and apparently $33 is only available for warm light. Cool day light is extra $10 per light.

  • zzyss on 28/05/2018 - 10:44

    Out of curiosity one of the services is to replace MR16 with GU10. What would the benefit of doing this be?

    • Elppa8 on 28/05/2018 - 11:10
      +1

      GU10 don’t need a seperate lamp transformer and lead and it’s easier to replace the lamp.

    • markwid on 28/05/2018 - 11:27
      +1

      MR16 is 12V. The mains is 240V, so will have transformer to step down from 240V to 12V.

      GU10 is 240V.

    • zzyss on 28/05/2018 - 15:14

      Thanks guys.

  • pongky on 29/05/2018 - 07:51

    The offer in VIC a few years ago was to change them all for free, provided you had at least 12 of them in your house.

  • Biggles266 on 15/06/2018 - 10:45

    Does Queensland offer anything like this program?

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