Hello
I am sandeep purusing my final trimester MBA with specialization in supply chain management
I was wondering what are the opportunities available for MBA grads
While, the visa conditions are still a problem for all the international students..Considering the broad exposure that Australian work place has..But, still it has become so hard for me to find a work although i hold distinctions or internship experiences in multiple countries
What were the opportunities available for my situation?
What is life after MBA in Australia?
Lsn9729 on 25/05/2018 - 12:29
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Centerlink, here OP is coming!
:p
Surely you didn't just make an account to ask this…
You should have thought it out before you started the course and whilst you're still in it - asking your peers and those who are guiding you. Magically doing a course whether it be your Bachelors, Masters, PhD isn't going to suddenly make a job appear in front of you.
And the worst part - you've given menial amounts of information - specialising in Supply Chain Management. How is anyone meant to help you if you give so little that your best result is simply typing in "careers supply chain management".
If the citizenship/PR situation is the crucial thing holding you back…then address that first.
I would focus on your priorities and leverage off networks you've built whilst doing the MBA.
Supply chain management will be quite crucial in the coming years (and now) so you should try to get some hands on experience. Reach out to those you've met and know and see if they can assist. A big corp will still take you on and sponsor you if you provide enough value.
In the meantime timeline your PR/Citizenship goal.
Can you be specific what hands on experience is.. you mean to find a job at the lower company first, gain some practical experience, focus on what i specialize in and find some opportunities there after?
Pretty much. You need to prove to people that you can work in this country, so take a lesser job, work really hard to get promoted into something better within 2 years. If that doesn't pan out, you have enough experience to go out into the market and look for something better.
become a courier driver.
Preferably Australia post, your will be perfectly qualified with your MBA and no real life experience.
@jg86tsv:
OP is better off going with a smaller company - whereby he will be able to make connections in despatch if OP says he is as good as he is.
He can further make himself opportunities from there. It will be much harder to do at Auspost.
A big congratulations on closing out your MBA.
As you make a point about having strong admin skills, I just wanted to note that you continue to spell 'I' with a lowercase 'i'. Plus you very rarely end a sentence with one full stop - instead opting for no or multiple full stops. While your responses are not a job application - it does look sloppy and being inconsistent with an MBA.
@sn9729:
Consider that when you are under pressure, you are more likely to make errors, not less.You need to use your focus and concentration on more important things than ensuring your spelling is up to standard.
@Jugganautx:
OzBargain is also OzGrammar, you'll get imaginary credit and virtual satisfaction for being grammatically right, especially when typing on the phone.
Can't help much, but just want to congratulate you on your final trimester.
I consider the 3 months following to be a fourth trimester.
I thought the value of an MBA was to broaden rather than specialise?
I have an MBA, it resulted in an Organisational Strategy role, with 25% increase in salary within 9 months of completion. It is actually my ideal role, strategy within a field that is my passion. I probably wouldn't have gotten this role without the MBA. Therefore MBA was valuable for me.
Note though, there's alot more to landing a job than having an MBA, getting good marks, and internships in multiple countries… You need solid work and field experience, the right personality for roles, and the correct attitude. Without those last 3, credentials mean nothing. Those credentials don't sound to me like an avenue to skip early steps in ones career.
Best of luck in your final trimester, and with the job search!
If you don't mind me asking what exactly specifically without disclosing too much do you do right now or in the past.
Always wondered what kind of roles or job positions these kind of paths opened up.
Hi Alien,
Sure - I was a senior BA for a tech based customer platform, and I now work in Strategy for a top 10 ASX company, consulting and providing solutions for their own internal property requirements.
My focus towards the end of my MBA was to look for a strategy role within my existing organisation, most were looking for people with external consulting experience, this role gave me the opportunity without the need to head externally first!
Most of the people i still talk to from my program ended up:
- consulting (big 4 or smaller boutiques)
- in house strategy functions
- internal management line movements
- in a couple of circumstances investment banking.Hope this helps in some way?
Thanks geoffs87 yes it does help in some way.
There is so much techno jargon and buzz words that I honestly don't know sometimes what some job roles or responsibilities or even expected outcomes sometimes mean.
So basically what you do is create the business strategies and advise on strategic roles and decisions?
I am guessing that requires some knowledge of creating software programs and ecosystems and/or legal policies in your field or company?
Can you describe further like what a typical day or work process would be like.
For example if I was an accountant I would work with ledgers and accounting software like mybooks or myob and process the company's expenses and income and employee salary and wages etc depending on my title and field or scope.
If I was a programmer I would be working with code or software and either creating or testing or securing something within a certain program that the company either uses or sell etc so I would be using some compiler or notepad software editor or maybe some project management software to coordinate with the other coders etc.
What does a BA do? Do you just build and solely deliberate on making profitable policies and strategic roles and decisions? I honestly don't really know haha lol.
Agreed. I finished mine late last year; new role in a new company in a new industry within 2 mths of completion. There was a slight pay rise but it was good before so I was still happy.
The difference from before to after was the drive to leverage it and springboard into something else, and not expect the letters themselves to do anything. I think I could prob have achieved more given how much I wanted the change, but this is a good start.
As for what it means to others, only a handful of people in the org know I have it, but I use it every day and that's what they care about - good outcomes. That's the real value and equally the hardest part of it; the practical application. You can't study or buy that in the MBA or any other course, so get started on developing it at whatever level you need to.
yeah completely agree! Particularly with this statement:
"only a handful of people in the org know I have it, but I use it every day and that's what they care about - good outcomes"
I completed a MBA by distance several years ago. I think the value in a MBA is building relationships with your peers, something you can't do by distance. That's where face-to-face has value.
Do you peers have the same issues with finding management/business employment, or are they already in those positions? Can you network with them?
Ofcourse..Almost all the MBA international students facing the similar issue
Though i build networks, maintain professional relationships with the industry people all they look is the local experience
so, it is so hard to find the first job in Australia…When people look at your profile and if they think this guy just doesn’t have local experience..What sort of recruitment style are we looking into?
Incorrect English is the first thing any employer will notice even if it isn't the main criterion. As an MBA, one can't afford to go wrong with communications skills (written/ verbal).
To be honest the way in which his initial question was asked would have put me off hiring.
Mostly agree with this but the biggest value for me is that I learnt so much. My background is electrical engineering (first a trade and then design) but knew very little outside this field. Now I have knowledge (enough to be dangerous) of economics, energy economics, finance, accounting, management, project management, HR etc. It's certainly opened my eyes and I see the world in a different light. I finished mine just over a year ago as a mature student but I'm not using it at the moment as I make much more as an engineering contractor. I'll use it in future though.
never go into further studies with expectation of better chance in getting employed
a bachelor degree is all you need to kickstart your career from lowest junior/cadet position
Most people go into further studies as they expect better employment roles ..i agree..while, there are almost 20% of the students who go into further studies to broaden their skills, enchance their knowledge and understand the contemporary issues..
People come to another country not just for the employement or to advance their knowledge but a geographical change may open their mind to different cultures….
I disagree on this point. Prestigious MBA programs in the U.S. and Europe are highly motivated to increase salary and have students employed within a short timeframe after graduation. Yes, you can reach the top echelons of management with just a bachelor's, but the MBA is a shortcut for motivated students.
Source: I am about to start an MBA in the U.S. in August.
Do you have any real experience or only internships? Most MBA's have a minimum 2 years of professional experience to even be allowed in and if you found somewhere that let you in without it, I would suggest it's to your disadvantage.
Yes i do hold an experience which is less than the minimum..But there are universities in Australia that offer MBA for both freshers and professional experienced seperately
I would say everywhere…
Be that as it may, holding degree doesn't entitle you to a job or a visa. It might be a little late for this advice but if you had been working/interning over the past 18 months, you might be in a better position in terms of experience and networks to explore.
Are the jobs you're applying for realistically lacking applicants? If they're on the list but employers can find someone locally, why wouldn't they?
Getting degrees like MBA or " management " are useless without experience.
If you don't know this….
You wont be eligible to claim points for an MBA under skilled migration and apply for a PR. This will severely limit who can hire you on a student or temporary postgrad visa. A lot of my international friends who did an MBA ended up either leaving the country or working at a fast food chain. One of them got KFC to sponsor him a visa and stayed in Australia. I get free finger licking chicken whenever I visit him.
The recent changes in the PR subclasses explain that the Person with the specialization in supply chain management or working in field of supply chain management is eligible for lodging PR..
You will need to confirm that with your accrediting authority and if you are eligible and have enough points to qualify for skilled migration, you should apply for PR as soon as possible.
Additionally in my opinion, in Australia if you expect better job roles based on a higher level of education, you will be bitterly disappointed. A person with a bachelors and 2 years of experience would be more employable and get a better salary than someone with a bachelors and a MBA without much industry experience. USA, Canada and European countries are different in that aspect and value education over experience way more than Australians. This is also why an experienced plumber brings in a 6 figure salary while a PHD earns a fraction of that.
That was a great example…So why Australia is considered as one of the best places to study?
Being a champion in Asia- pacific education , Holding some of the top universities in the world, Encouraging cross-cultural environment and all in alla the government changes the rules over time and ineffect immediatelyeducation hub =/= employment
We're close by…
We're Western…
We know everyone wants PR
We just want your money
In marketing terms when they talk about the 100s of thousands that come to Australia to study because we're so awesome… they don't mention the millions that goes to the USA, Canada… UK…
We don't hold a top university in the world… that's marketing spin
We're close by…
So why Australia is considered as one of the best places to study?
Really? For getting settled easily (read "PR") after studying OR for quality of study and job prospects itself? There's a huge difference between both. Most students come here for the former, unfortunately. For unis, it's a transactional business - international education industry is big and government lets it run that way (probably as it's a big and important part of economy). The US attracts a lot of talent which is serious about top quality studies and research. If you still haven't understood it then I doubt amount of the research you carried out before taking up the program.
"So why Australia is considered as one of the best places to study?"
Good marketing, that's how.
Education is an export industry now, and the govt wants as many suckers to come over to pay the ridiculous property prices.
blue collar =/= white collar
blue collar get a better kickstart
white collar that excels in latter stage earns 400k pa wage (depending on profession, of course)
This is also why an experienced plumber brings in a 6 figure salary while a PHD earns a fraction of that.
There are hardly any plumbers.
There have never been as many graduates and people holding doctorates. Unemployment is high in many areas that people are still being urged into such as Computer Science.
There's high unemployment for people graduating in Computer Science? I'm graduating next year, I only know a single guy who's graduating with me who doesn't have either a graduate program role or a regular job lined up after uni, with most of us having had our pick of paid internships, hell I've done three, and most have done at least one. Maybe I don't hang out with the right people, but I would have thought it'd be pretty close to the top when it comes to unemployment after graduation.
The careers centre at your uni should have some options and advice? If none of the internships were in Australia, try and get an Australian one to build up local work experience.
Most people I am aware of in Australia that have studied MBAs studied part-time whilst they had a job already, and used it to get a promotion, or to apply for better jobs.
I think there is a chance you will be viewed as too underqualified for higher level roles as you don't have local work experience / possibly any paid real experience (have you only ever held internships? No permanent roles?).
And a chance you will be view as overqualified for lower level roles because you have an MBA. You may be better suited to take the MBA off your resume if trying for lower level roles.
so are you saying that..if i apply for a role that i believe i can get into without my MBA ..fhere is a chance to hire me? In that case, what happens when they ask me about my visa status..The current visa i am holding is student visa and it will take a while to change my visa to Tr..All these conditions are effecting not only me but to every international student
you either get your visa sorted , or employer sponsor you visa (unlikely)
I'm talking low-level jobs - office admin etc, things you might do to get a foot in the door.
Don't put MBA on your resume, you'll never make it interview, your resume will be ignored as soon as they see it. If visa status comes up, you can say you are on a student visa and just show them the visa.
This is advice your careers centre could give. Are you are a real university or a private college of some sort?
Yes i am studying in a reputed university
The university advised all the international students to showcase their current performance such as any real time projects they performed at university or any case study analysis of the companies fhey believe that can be effective in the Resume
I would like to add a point..My resume is verified by university after 9 screenings, they approved my resume and looking jobs on my behalf
Do you know what the term "marketing spin" means? I'm sorry to be brutally honest but as an employer I don't give a toss about whether your uni has verified your CV.
Instead, I care about:
-Writing skills. Please stop using "…" after every sentence.
-Can you legally work for me? If not, next candidate please.
-Are you a problem solver and good communicator?
-Will you gel with the rest of the team?
-Do your goals align with the firm/team.
-Do you have sufficient experience to do the job?If you try to answer any of those by highlighting that your uni verified your CV after nine screenings, I'd say bring in the next candidate.
As has been mentioned, in Australia, an MBA without real life working experience is pretty much useless. When I did my MBA from MBS, they had a requirement of minimum two years work experience. Without work experience, most of the topics taught will make no sense as you would have no experience to relate that to.
Also, a Masters degree like MBA or even any other Masters like MSc or M.Engg is to make networks and broaden your skills. It allows a person to make the jump from whatever they did in their undergraduate to something else. Coming from a Engineering background, MBA helped. This thinking is not the same in other places like India where students will do a BSc and then do an MBA or MSc straight after. Here in Australia, doing a MSc straight after a BSc provides no value - especially some of the subjects taught in MSc are the same subjects taught in 3rd year BSc.
As others have said, use your network to find low level opportunities that will get you in the door. No one will look at the MBA and give you a high position without the background experience required to go with such a position.
An MBA in Supply chain management! Geez
I am in that industry. Not many people have an MBA in SCM. Experience is king, and most will have Bachelors, and get in the industry as a graduate, and work their way up. You generally do your MBA while working at the same time.
1st Question. How good is your English?
2nd Question. What other degrees have you studied?I hold C1 level in Ielts English test..I am fluent
I have a bachelors degree in Computer science and Engineering
Certifications:
IBM watson analytics
Machine learning with RSo is there a reason you didn't go into fields in your bachelor's degrees?
No..There is no reason..as everything was planned as a forward looking view….I decided to do my bahelors in computer science and then do MBA ..
@sn9729: There's heaps of jobs in software development, if you're any good at coding I'm sure you're be able to find something decent.
I will also note, as per others above. If your resume came onto my desk (applying for SCM position), and all I saw was degrees in CS and Engineering and no experience in SCM, but an MBA. I would put your resume into the bin. You seem to be an academic, rather than a worker.? SCM is something you work into, not drop into.
You need to start in certain industries. Industrial engineering, systems engineering, operations management, logistics, procurement, information technology or marketing. Pick an industry, search for jobs that revolve around supply chain or close to it.
I worked as a supply chain analyst in India..
a c1 doesnt qualify you for bonus points in a points based PR application…as you need Band 8 across all the skills to quality. C1 means you fall between a band 6-7.
Where is your degree from? if it is an accredited university (that the Australian government recognises) you should have enough points for a PR based on that fact as you hold an engineering degree.
source, partner is a mech engineer and we have been approved for a PR visa based on points
I hold ielts 7 Band score and i am confident that i can achieve 8 with ease..my degree is from Deakin university
Consisering the points system, My evaluation and research indicates i need to emphasize on a mixed combination of communication skills and the professional year to get my PR
Good luck. My partner and I are both english natives, she has a mechanical engineering degree from the top canadian university, and she could not get Band 8 across all topics in the ielts…ielts is a scam if they know you are applying for a PR visa and need band 8…they know you need the marks and will never give them to you first try
I think you need some professional advice on this matter, your research seems flawed
@sn9729: I suggest you take a long, hard look at yourself in the mirror. No way to sugarcoat this.
Admittedly, I am only going by your comments on this thread, and that sample size is quite small. But I can say that you are not going to achieve 8 with ease. If you could have , you would already have an 8, not a 7. You may yet get an 8, but it won’t be with ease, but after some hard work, maybe with a bit of luck as well.
In spite of people repeatedly commenting on your English and your use or lack thereof, of proper punctuations, you continue in the same vein. You say that this is because this is an informal forum and hence the particular way you write.
If you want people (read prospective employers) to take you seriously, work on honing your communication.
What type of certification for "Machine learning with R"?
If it is truly a recognised organisation then you can easily land some data scientist job.You have wasted your time and money with an MBA.
On behalf of Australia education sector, thank you for your money.Don't quite understand someone who has background in CompSci and Engineering does an MBA in logistics?!
Just doesn't make sense.SCM is built on experience, it can't be taught.
Most people in SCM move up the chain from the bottom.Clearly the visa is the biggest issue, and I have no idea how you resolve that part. However since you have software development and a supply chain focus, I'd point to WiseTech Global as a large Australian based software company in that space as someone you want to target.
Hi mate
Supply chain has great future.
Generally, if ur experience before MBA is somehow connected with supply chain then u shud leverage that and connect with corporates that may value that.
Consult/advisory team in Big4 are certainly someone to look at.
However you will find that having an MBA won’t necessarily get you job certainly but for some roles it will be considered essential and valuable. With some experience under ur belt, ur career will
Accelerate much faster than someone who is not an MBA.I won’t worry about some of the comments on English n all here. There is some sanitisation that you will pickup as you work through in corporate.
PM if you need to chat anything else.Extremely bad choice of masters degree after doing bachelors in computer science. I have a bachelors and masters degree both in computer science. Looking to do an MBA in computer science related field now. Like MBA in IT project management or something.
Friend got an MBA. He could not get a job. He is Malaysian started a bubble tea company. He was still making tea last I heard.
so do you get free bubble tea, like the chicken licking finger ?
No. But I told him he should branch out into Chinese cakes.
I don't have an MBA but have run multiple businesses in multiple fields, and worked for multinationals down to running my own delicatessen. If you have the aptitude you can run a business, solve problems and make things grow. I only work from myself now; I could not stand working for somebody else.
I think an accounting degree is more useful than an MBA in most situations.
MBA courses generally teach how to lead yourself (to better personal and professional outcomes) and thus be more entrepreneurial in outlook,vs. how to be a better employee. Thus if you think getting a job in a normal company would have been better then I suggest you poll some MBA candidates; your friend has done well.
What are your soft skills like and how well can you integrate into Aussie culture?
I mean integrate with the blue collar workers particularly.How would you build a bond?
Do you know anyone in the industry?an MBA is a bit like a mechanical hard disk. You are spinning very fast and it used to be the best.
Nowadays to be like an SSD you go on to do a DBAI searched DBA and got "Disc Brakes Australia". Not sure how that's gonna help me make the big bucks, but I ordered some just in case.
Doctor of Business Administration (DBA) Degree…
A frigging doctorate? A Masters used to be enough.
Which side of the Royal Bank Commission would you like to be?
Double whammy? Trimester and MBA ….congrats mate..
Plenty of opportunities… 7Eleven, Subway, Uber…
You forgot Domino's
Man, your writing skills sucks balls. For a final trimester MBA student, your ability to apply proper punctuation is non-existent.
I bet he still has better IELTS score compared to most of you!!! :D :D
'You', as in Asian people?
It’s been well reported that students of bilingual backgrounds do better academically. So take fahim’s comment as a compliment.
I don't know any native speakers that have paid for an IELTS score, do you?
Dear Sandeep,
Please don't ever use the phrase "suck balls".
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Let me share my experience, was an international student 20+ years ago. Completed the first degree & wanna proceed further study. Got 2 choices, master or another undergraduate degree. I picked undergrad one & grad as 2A honour. However took me 2 years to found a FT job coz I didn’t have any local experiences, mind u I’ve already got my PR when I grad. I worked in factories, retail shops & causal worker when I was looking for a job. Forget about ur MASTER title, move ur ass & get something to start with.
i can tell u, no one cares how good ur results or ur IELTS. What employers after are ur experience & ur skills.Not entirely correct. If you top the school, there're so many opportunities from uni / professors already let alone industries.
A topic of almost none exp MBA wannabe is on forum page 1 today. There're so many nerds around!
Man, you need a visa to stay first. With immigration news everywhere, employers are no dummy to employ you as a foreigner.
Getting yourself a piece of paper to stay will teach you much of how this country is operated. With that knowledge, you go far far far in your life mate.
Use your newly acquired skills back home
Overseas experience doesn't count unless you have a solid 5-6 years of experience in the specific field to which you are applying to. And you need contacts especially with people who are working in the industry you are keen on getting to. As far as the visa goes, if you can get a score of 8 individually that will make a huge difference when applying for the visa as well as getting a job
How much is the starting salary for an mba?
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I have a friend that did an MBA in Adelaide.
He couldn’t find a job, his visa ran out and he had to leave. I miss him.
I hope that doesn’t happen to you.
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look for a life partner and apply the partner visa.