Hello
I am sandeep purusing my final trimester MBA with specialization in supply chain management
I was wondering what are the opportunities available for MBA grads
While, the visa conditions are still a problem for all the international students..Considering the broad exposure that Australian work place has..But, still it has become so hard for me to find a work although i hold distinctions or internship experiences in multiple countries
What were the opportunities available for my situation?
What is life after MBA in Australia?
Lsn9729 on 25/05/2018 - 12:29
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I hope this is a joke :P
so hard for me to find a work although i hold distinctions or internship experiences in multiple countries .
Your English is probably you're biggest problem, with seeking employment in Australia in any position which requires communication with native English speakers.Many (maybe most) foreign students tend to hang around many other students of their own nationality. This certainly does not help you in learning English better. Perhaps try volunteering at some charity group within your university. This could be a great way to increase your exposure to native english speakers, while also helping others in need.
Vollunteer even at a local soup kitchen type thing, you would be round plenty of native english speakers then .
Regarding where you can go with an MBA, I can only speak from 1 person in my families experience. He did very well, kept on performing excellently in each of his roles (through hard work and diligence), then he retired in his 40's with enough money to live well as a self funded retiree (and enough $$ to support his wife also) . He kept on applying for jobs within the 1 company, if he didn't get the job, he would ask politely later, why he did not get the job. This helped a learning curve, and also showed his company that he was keen to move ahead and move up in company.
If you get with a very large company, there should be opportunities to move up, (if you are the right canditate).
Tbh, you might have to go to another country and start off your career. If you excel and can show you are highly skilled and experienced, then at that time, getting a visa here should not be much of an issue.
Your English is probably you're biggest problem,
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Redundant comma.
Like everyone has suggested, try landing a role and bank some local experience! I am not sure how to resolve the Visa as I understand this would be a prerequisite for a job! Your MBA may not bear fruits straight away but if you bank the right experience, it will pay dividends (if the stars align) at some stage! I recently did my MBA but I did it after working for 10 plus years so not straight after university! In my experience, I ended up getting a new role within the same firm with a substantial increase in salary! Wish you best of luck with everything.
Why do you guys feed the troll? A member that has created his account before posting this, who mentions his name to bait you….
Try join WA Labor Party, you might have the chance to run for election. Even a fake one will do
I'm still surprised people want to move to this country with the way it's going. If OP is in one of the smaller cities it may be ok, but Melbourne in particular is going down the crapper in terms of crime and infrastructure. Housing prices are crazy too (although hopefully that corrects itself). Also corruption in our banks as well as companies like Telstra.
There is so much wrong with what you just said, I don’t know where to start. Maybe be careful about your generalizations to begin with.
Given the likely per capita wealth differential, there's no surprise at all.
I don't know why you are getting downvotes…
Melbourne in particular is going down the crapper in terms of crime and infrastructure
As opposed to… India, where the OP is from?
I can bet that you never lived in any other country so you have no idea what real corruption or crime is. Are you actually asking why people are moving to one of the best countries in the world, in one of the cities that is always in the top 10 most livable cities etc??
I know many people who did the MBA, they all excelled in their respective professions. They mostly graduated from MBS and did their MBA in their 30s. Some were sponsored by their companies.
I can't comment on the visa side of things but education itself alone doesn't entitle you to employment.
I don't mean to be rude and it's OK to have some English mistakes but when I read what you write the first thing I think is your English communication is not great. I gather you are from India and I work with many people from your background, they don't write like you, occasionally they make simple grammar mistakes but I don't have to read what they write a few times to get what they mean. You might want to polish off your English writing it'll help you with job applications in Australia.How are the comments racial? So far "Asian" has only been mentioned once and "India" was mentioned only four times (once by the OP and the other three were objective factual phrases with nothing negative preceding or following).
Ozbargain as a forum can seem "mean" to the thin-skinned, just browsing some of the larger threads here will make that immediately apparent, nothing to do with identity here.
Btw, I'm Asian too.
"Btw, I'm Asian too."
head just exploded…
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you get half after divorce / separated from defacto
just dig the one with gold
Go apply for an entry level job at work your way up from there.
Having an MBA doesn't give you a magic ticket to employment, it unfortunately puts you in the questionable value sector.
Because you have an undergrad in computer science, you may look at companies that design logistics management software if you're interested in that side of things.
If not, just apply for jobs like any other undergrad and move your way upI know it is very hard to find job these days, but if you want to stay and live in Australia you cant give up. Start looking for job now, if you have good study result it helps. Attend social events from school, I know that MBA schools have really strong networking, you should get involved. Good luck.
Sandeep. Think about the employers point of view. Why should they hire you? What do you offer?
- no relevant local experience. As an employer I’d stop there.
- student visa who can leave he country anytime.
- visa that requires sponsoring. Additional employer headaches or cost.
- poor communication skills.
- poor fit into the organisation overall.Not having a go at you but I know people in your position very well. I don’t understand what employer would be crazy enough to hire someone with all that rather than the equivalent local. I underpants your mba is an achievement but this is not USA. Rightly or wrongly Australia generally values experience over qualifications on paper. If you thought your mba was going to get employers lining up to hire I’m sorry for your delusion. Why do you think so many qualified international grads are full time on Uber.
My advice: if you are serious about working here find out what makes you special that other candidates don’t (no not mba) and use it. Explain it in your interviews. Most importantly, please improve your English. I know you think you have good English but you do not. Trust me I know where you’re coming from, looking at your response when people questioned your English it only confirmed it. Even when you thought you switched to formal, your response still had grammatical errors. Part of the problem here is you probably spend most your time with other internationals so among them your English might seem good but it’s still poor nationally. Which is the market you will be competing in for jobs.
Good luck"I underpants your mba is an achievement but this is not USA."
I am not sure they will underpants your point.
How embarrassing especially given I was being critical of someone else. Apologies, in my defence I was writing this on the toilet so my mind may have been elsewhere
It's ok, I underpants.
If your university is even half decent, then they should already be helping you with employment opportunities before now, and thus getting the right experience HERE to get a job.
My son was being helped even before the first day and they continued well past his course. He attended all networking opportunities he could as well during and after. The alumni networking events after the degree still continues.
Seek advice from the University careers section appropriate. My son’s MBA course had specialists to assist his development within the specific graduate school. They also did the testing profiles to guide them.
It is extremely competitive for all and you have extra situations to overcome, but it is not unobtainable.
What you have done here is what matters now. Overseas experience is not considered unless it was a well known NFP or otherwise well known and recognised.
Why do you think we have economists, doctors, criminologists and many others unable to do their jobs in this country because they were trained overseas. In many cases it is unfair as they are from excellent. Even UK medical people have a process to practice here.
(I saw an Indian Vascular Surgeon save a patient in OT. she was doing what she had to do to practice here and she was only a resident but the surgeon had a bleeding artery and that person would have died had she not been there. The opinions on f her went sky high after that.).So get experience / internships here and seek out the career guidance.
Come again ?
Without knowing your specifics there can be a million opportunities or none at all.
If you had a lot of money, you could get an investor visa.
If your credentials are enough to get you a PR independently, you could follow that path.
If you're unique and more capable than anyone applying for a particular position and the company believes that you're worth the investment, you could get a sponsored visa.
If not, you either work yourself into one of the above conditions or you look for another path in another country that you desire to live in.
Its all up to you.
Its all up to you.
If you had a lot of money, you could get an investor visa.
If he does not have a lot of money its not really all up to him.
Way to take things out of context.
If not, you either work yourself into one of the above conditions or you look for another path in another country that you desire to live in.
Its all up to you.
Disappointing to see so many racist comments in the thread. If you have a Bachelors in Computer Science and Engineering, I'd suggest you seek employment in the tech division at some of Australia's large conglomerates. Just get an entry level job and work hard to go up. Best of luck.
I haven't seen anything outright racist scrolling through but there are a lot of very valid concerns that are just harsh realities. You are technically correct, but the 'work hard to go up' becomes exponentially easier after landing your first Australian relevant work experience (I say Australian but employers would also recognize bigger name international firms). Small business won't run the risk of international students moving away as they need to consider long term as well as not having to deal with sponsoring when you can get a more rounded domestic student. So yes, large conglomerates is the answer. I hope OP has plenty of CS projects to differentiate themselves.
the issue with that degree is no actual university would offer a course as generic as that
its Computer science within the engineering faculty of a Uni or its a specific engineering course
it makes me believe its from a subpar university or OP doesnt know what his degree actually is
MBA or not, your English needs improvement if you want any chance of making it here.
If others can't understand what you're on about, they'll stop listening.
Brutal but true.
But you are not clever enough to deduce that he is trolling…
I'm clever enough to establish from his phrasing and how it matches my encounters with many people from the subcontinent that my dear friend Sandeep is genuine.
Hence why it's a good troll, A grade lol
Microsoft and Telstra always have positions in call centers to tell people their computer has a virus!
Sadly I think those jobs are offshored.
I don't remember speaking to an Australian at Telstra.
That or the CEO
Qualifications mean next to nothing in the job market.. sorry to burst your bubble. Sounds like your not willing to take an entry level job, gain experience and work your way up. If you continue to apply for mid/senior roles, yes you will struggle.
The job market is super competitive.
You need to sort out your Visa first. Improve your English. Then apply for graduate jobs.
Your overseas experience is irrelevant as it's too junior given it was an analyst role and I'm guessing you only worked for a few years max.
It will be tough for you to find a decent graduate job as the graduate market is even more competitive. You would probably be better placed to go back to your home country, get a job in a multi national firm then transfer to Australia via the firm.
Everyone I know that did MBAs had them sponsored by companies they worked for and went straight back into those same firms wth promotions.
Congratulations on your degree achievement. My few cents - "It's not what you know but who you know" which is the key to get a step in the door post your degree.
If you haven't already, immediately start building your professional network. Update your LinkedIn profile, connect with professionals in your field from your uni teachers, your seniors, peers, experienced strangers. Seek advice, request a face to face meeting/ coffee catch-ups. Effective effort required here. Best wishes!!
Sandeep I would have a look at which businesses in your home country/region have a presence here in Australia and approach them. Your biggest selling point is your ethnicity - you're clearly at least bilingual, you have an excellent understanding of your culture and how that affects business practices. Don't be afraid of working for smaller places or taking jobs that don't sound very prestigious, Australians like to see that people have been willing to do entry-level jobs before they do anything else, regardless of qualification. They're not as impressed by qualifications or titles as other countries, there is a culture here of 'tall-poppy cutting', which means when the majority feel that someone has become too important, they like to bring them down! So if you walk into an interview and tell them all the prestigious and amazing things you've done, that might be met with suspicion.
It's better to tailor your resume to the job you're going for - don't put everything in it, just the education or work experience that is relevant to the job. Be humble in interviews but don't put your employers on a pedestal either - no one is considered a higher class than anyone else, and elevating those interviewing you to people that are magically above you will be seen as superficial. When you go to an interview, you're a team trying to find the best person for the job. That may or may not be you.
One of my bosses said to me once "you're either an asset, a threat, or a liability, and if you're neither a threat or a liability, then you'll be fine". So have a look at all the jobs, even the crappy ones, that will give you real world skills that will allow you to help a company. If I were you i'd take a customer service job as soon as possible, just for a year or two so you can quickly get a really good grasp of Australian culture and language. It's often not pretty, but with that under your belt, and your qualifications, you'll probably find it a bit easier to get to where you want to be. I'd also try and find a language-practice group where you can practice speaking with Australians who can correct you. People are often much too polite to do this unless you're in a group. Good luck with everything, I hope the university is helping you too.
If you're not posting this from Manus Island, you're not trying hard enough.
Just kidding. Good job on the MBA. Your first bet would to be to get your own PR visa then start applying for jobs, companies don't want to sponsor people unless they really can't find the talent locally.
MBA = Married But Available => Child support
MBA = Making Burgers Again
Dude, after MBA you get taxi license.
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No moreYou might want to look at how many people in your cohort graduated with the same specialization as you? And how many MBAs are from other universities like MBS, and other GSMs like AGSM, MGSM that are more prestigious and harder admissions than Deakin Uni, these are the people you have to compete with for those supply chain management jobs. Some have more qualifications like PhD while doing their MBA than you if you are talking just on qualifications and less than a few years overseas experience. Some internships do not do much relevant work, besides admin work, google NAB intern. You have more chances starting with a graduate job or somewhere in the door with tech.
good luck with your job hunt.
Hi
My advise would be to look for a entry level job to get some experience. That job doesn’t necessarily have to be in mba field. It can take some time initially to find the first job so don’t give up. Also, don’t need to respond to some of posts about English because they have never done ielts and they would not understand your situation. The amount of racist posts are overwhelming … Uber, taxi… they can f*** off. I have got some really good Indian friends and I wish you the best in achieving your pr and job.Dear Op, do not give up. Keep trying, it's matter of getting your first break. Best wishes
Just going to leave this here and wish you a fruity career.
Taxi / uber driver, car wash assistant, take away delivery driver, service station attendant.
Hey OP,
If you have just completed your degree and are eligible for graduate programmes, try going for those; https://au.gradconnection.com/ is a good source of information.
I did a PhD straight after my Bachelor and got into the final round of a few grad programme applications. Just make sure that you get your PR / citizenship prior as this is a pre-requisite for most companies.
Best of luck.
IMO - go back to your country to get a professional job easily. Regarding English I always remember - English is a language not knowledge and knowledge is power. Use that power where the demands are.
So many racist and stereotype statements against Indians - Especially those talking about taxi drivers, take away delivery drive, service station attendant.
Notable Indian CEO's who are ensuring that you have money to feed your family:
Deloitte - Punit Renjen
Microsoft - Satya Nadella
Google - Sundar PichaiI bet the GP that you went to last time, when you were sick was also an Indian.
Congratulations on making it to the final trimester. Good luck with the baby.
What is life after MBA in Australia?
for a foreign student with limited english and no work visa for Australia Really need to add this to the title question.
Maybe some work for 7/11 , but that's hard to get even.Congratulations on the accomplished goals so far. You will soon be able to find good work back in India.
Nice troll post to bring out all the racist ozbargainers
You did a full time MBA, didn't you (most of the students were in their 20's)? The only value I can see for people doing this degree is in management consulting and investment banking, where you have work that spans across different industries and functions. Only the top students get jobs in this field, but most are already working in their field and the MBA is paid for by their employer. If you don't currently have a job and are not in the top 1% or so of the class then you most likely won't get a job using your MBA.
An executive MBA is usually part time. It's taken by senior managers (10-20 years work experience) who want to move into general management or broaden their career prospects. Many pay for the MBA themselves, but some are also paid by their employers. If an employer were to hire an MBA, they would hire someone with an executive MBA who can add value to their business, not someone with little or no work experience.
Also, for MBAs to have much credence, they should be the top international ones or Australia's top 3 or so (Macq, AGSM, Melb, etc.).
Going by the comments in this thread, it looks as if doing MBA is not worthwhile in Oz, hmmm
Hi Sandeep,
Sorry for being a little late in the piece.
Firstly your name, as are all names start with a capital letter - always, without exception.
As I understand it from your posts, your foremost priority appears to be to stay in Australia and the MBA was a method to achieve this.Most entry level jobs openings are filled through introductions from friends/family/acquaintances who know the person and more importantly are willing to vouch for them and be one of their referees.
The key to job searching as well as life in general, is to make friends, get to know people, be open minded and never give up. Use the remaining time completing your MBA getting to know your colleagues and teachers. Don't be afraid to ask about any openings, advice or help and assistance in getting a job.
Having a great attitude helps and language skills are invaluable.
All the best.
Apply to Amazon, they are looking for people just like you (computer science/ supply chain management background). They have a graduate program too.
Most of the big companies understand graduate visa work rights. But as mentioned earlier, they require excellent English and communication skills, work on them if necessary.
Best of luck!
Depends on where you did your MBA. If not at MBS, AGSM or MGSM then you really shouldn't have bothered in Australia.
Hello.
I think your best bet is to go back home and work for a multinational, then come back to Aus. The competition is much to stiff against MBAs in much more competitive standings than you seem to be in.
As bad as this sounds, employers who make a note of hiring newly-minted MBA talent for a role will usually only do so out of MBS, AGSM or MGSM. Since you want to leverage your MBA as your point of difference, you may have to think about how you'll overcome the bias that your prospective employer will probably have. You'll probably also have 100s of students out of these schools saturating the job pool.
Tbh, I'm at MBS and from what I can tell, 100-150k jobs are pretty accessible to those with 5-10 years of work experience and a plan to network, a good head on their shoulders and ability to slot in (ideally coming from big 4, the banks or an engineering firm prior to their enrolment), 70-90k jobs are on the table for those who have the degree and just want a blank slate career shift to either consulting or marketing. For the sake of completion, there are also those who do not get a role because they are insufferable, rate themselves too high and/or their communication skills aren't up to par with the expectation of the role.
And then there are a few rare hires above 150k for students who can crack Bain, McKinsey or BCG.
Having read the thread, I reckon you're a bit behind the 8 ball if you want to compete in Australia. You'll probably go up against Aus citizens with a wealth of work experience and fluency in the english language. That said, you may be able to level out the competition by using your MBA in another country.
Maybe you could find some small companies that could use your experience, but how much would you want per year?? How can you convince them that without work experience, you can provide them managerial judgement and leadership in SCM?
Good luck mate, I hope it pans out for you!
Even local Australian graduates of top universities can't find jobs in their studied professions immediately after university oftentimes, whether masters or bachelors degrees.
It's not uncommon for them to then find an entry-level position somewhere and work their way up.
It's the Aussie way, everyone has to work their way up. Unless you have connections that can help you fast track your career progression.+1 on all the comments regarding OP's English, it's passable but not good - lots of grammatical errors and basic spelling mistakes.
Don't get offended OP, my advice is to throw away your pride and:
Accept that you need to improve your English.
Take entry level jobs, your MBA is not an excuse to think you're above certain roles.
Be humble.
Know that life is unfair.Congrats on the MBA though!
I came to do my masters in Melbourne 8 years ago. Mine wasn't an MBA but it was a Masters in Business IT. I only managed to actually get a job in my field late last year. Even though I had 4 years worth of working experience prior to even starting my course, I wasn't able to get a job. I had to bring down my expectations and apply for roles in Admin (example - office manager, admin assistant) to just get my foot in the door.
If you're a foreigner, your experience counts for nothing. Apply for jobs like you would for any entry level position because unless you're a brilliant overachiever with perfect grades and great connections, you will not be able to get a comfortable job straight off the bat.
Also created this account just to post this because it annoys me when other International students start whinging about how hard it is to get a job with a Master's degree. Do the yards.
Editing to add - MBAs are only useful when you're in a role and doing it part time. If you're doing it full time without any local experience, you're gonna have a bad time.
OK basically you have academic qualifications in CompSci, Machine Learning and Analytics. You should leverage that to get into the online areas of places with need and uses of logistics (need to have supply chains to exist).
i.e.
Groceries
Distribution (movement of goods)
Airlines (movement of goods and people)Everyone of these industries is investing in their online and analytics areas for growth.
Go for the grad internship, leverage that (with patience and hard work) into a full time offer, use that to get the visa sorted. Finally use internal movement to get into the supply chain side using your MBA.
You hear the best stories who has a Masters degree, PHDs and MBA when you ride Uber.
I suggest you take a long, hard look at yourself in the mirror. No way to sugarcoat this.
Admittedly, I am only going by your comments on this thread, and that sample size is quite small. But I can say that you are not going to achieve 8 with ease. If you could have , you would already have an 8, not a 7. You may yet get an 8, but it won’t be with ease, but after some hard work, maybe with a bit of luck as well.
In spite of people repeatedly commenting on your English and your use or lack thereof, of proper punctuations, you continue in the same vein. You say that this is because this is an informal forum and hence the particular way you write.
If you want people (read prospective employers) to take you seriously, work on honing your communication.
Honesty MBA without any work / management experience is just another piece of 'worthless' paper.
When I was younger I did my stint as a FIFO worker for 3 years. When someone with a MBA came with no experience it was nicked name Master Bullsh^t Artist.
It's difficult to get a job when you are 3 foot tall and live under a bridge!
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Some advices for you. I was also an immigrant. Now a citizen. Got PR within 4 months after applying (back in 2010). Not a native English speaker. Got 8 in all 4 categories in the IELTS (Lucky. You will need this to get all 8). Currently studying MBA as a part time.
- Visa. Painful process I know but you need to sort this out first. Unless you are truly amazing, not many companies will sponsor you. Even if you don't get PR, it is not end of life. There are lots of opportunities outside AU.
- MBA means nothing without practical work experiences in my opinion. I see MBA students with less experiences have difficulties in working in a group. Not all but most of them don't know how to work with different people. Since you don't have much experiences especially in SCM, then MBA means almost nothing in the eyes of hiring managers. However, if you have at least some work experiences and then you take MBA, then you know how to apply what you learn.
- Based on your comments, I think you need to revise your career or life goal. Not sure why you want to pursue your career in SCM and not sure how passionate you are in SCM industry.
Bachelor in Computer, MBA specialised in SCM… no AU visa… not much experiences… these don't add up… - English. I don't need to mention anymore how important it is. It is not easy but you need to improve. I am still learning…
I don't normally post comment but I posted this to help. I hope this comment means something. All the best.
To my knowledge getting an MBA is to bolster your credentials when you've already been working for a period of time. This is to help you get a higher position or move up into a management position.
Sorry mate, without much real experience your MBA isn't going to be of much worth until you land your first job kicking shit and get some considerable experience.
Return to ethnically homogenous home country and use your skills to help improve your nation.
For MBAs, you really need to have done it at a top tier school. It is elitist, but it is what it is. No disrespect to Deakin, but a Deakin MBA isn't going to cut it. If you're going to do an MBA in Australia, you really should have done it at MBS, AGSM or MGSM. Locals that do MBA and actually use it do it at a top-tier school and they do it while they're working.
In addressing comments related to the USA, yes an MBA has more weight over there. There is more acceptance in students doing an MBA full time. BUT they're even more picky about where the MBA is from. You can potentially use an MBA to transition into investment banking or management consulting, but only at a top-tier school like Harvard, Wharton and the likes.
I would suggest you to
- Download list of companies from ASX website
- Sort them based on sector and area of interest
- Make a shortlist of companies that you think might be interested in your profile
- Cold call their HR or email bomb them with your CV
Before step number 4, do a crash course on spoken and written English
One thing I am worried is, you being an MBA, you should be knowing how to network. I am not even one and giving you this idea. Also, your university should be thinking about what to do with all the graduating MBAs
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Unfortunately, basketball is just not that big in Australia. Most players that retire from the NBA will play a few seasons in their twilight years here. Those players aren't in it for the money. They made their fortune in the US/NBA. Its' for the love of the game I suppose.