Help Me Pick (OzBargain) My Dad's Next Car

My dad is looking to buy a new car in the next couple of months, since I've moved out and taken our formerly shared car with me.

He initially put forward two options: a Golf or a Tiguan (I know they're not exactly comparable, which opens up the field a lot).
His budget covers the cost of a base model Tiguan auto (~$40k).

Background: We live in WA.
My dad is approaching 70 years old, and has driven cars ranging from a Daihatsu Charade to the last gen Honda CR-V. I don't think he'll have a problem driving smaller cars (like the Golf), but a higher ride height and more room would also be welcome (Tiguan).

Given his budget and wide scope of vehicle types, I came up with a shortlist of potential options for him to pick from. I'd like everyone's advice on the "best" choice in each category and a good price I could negotiate for it.
He would like to go with a brand new car, though I think he may be open to demo models.

Caveats: no Korean cars, Holden, Ford, Nissan, or Toyota. He's not open to the idea, and neither am I.
I'm also looking into cars with a bit more zip (a turbo), since my dad (and I) complained that the last gen CR-V my mum drives basically has a 0-100 time of several days.

Small cars
Model Rough RRP
Suzuki Swift GLX Turbo $23.5k
VW Golf 110TSI $27k
"Medium" cars
Model Rough RRP
Suzuki S-Cross Turbo $27.5k
Mazda 3 Maxx $28k
Mazda CX-3 Maxx $28k
Honda Civic VTi-L Turbo $31.5k
Subaru XV 2.0i-L $34.5k
Mazda CX-5 Maxx $35k
VW Tiguan 110TSI Trendline $40k

italicised entries are ones I'm not personally keen on

"Larger" cars
Model Rough RRP
Suzuki Vitara S Turbo 2WD $30.5k
Honda CR-V VTi 2WD $31.5k

Update 1:
Spoke to my dad today, told him VWs are expensive to buy/service, and are difficult to resell outside warranty period. No argument from him there.

My suggestions to him based on feedback from here were either a Vitara AWD or a Camry (Atara Hybrid). He wasn't keen on either of them - he said he didn't like either of them, and when pressed for reasons, he said he'd rather not be seen in them.
I suggested getting a really dark tint if that's what he's concerned about.

He has picked up a brochure for a CR-V, but on looking up its power to mass (unimpressive 1.5T in a ~1800kg car), was much less keen.

He did toy with the idea of a Civic (I pushed for him to go for the turbo model), but nothing conclusive there.

He said he has been to a VW dealership and asked about the driveaway price of a Tiguan and was quoted about $36-38k (can't remember what he said exactly).

We did toss up the idea of an i30 briefly (the SR model), but again, nothing conclusive (the engine's specs aren't as good as the Japanese ones we've seen thus far in terms of fuel consumption). There's also the issue of the dual dry clutch (I'm nervous given this seems to be one of Hyundai's first forays into the technology and some of the existing issues they've had with it).

Have not mentioned Subaru or Mazda options yet, but did briefly touch on the CX-5.

He also said he's happy to push back his purchase date to 6 months (from 2).

Comments

  • +5

    New tiguan is just awesome and functional.
    The price however is questionable.

    • -2

      -

    • +2

      *Golf, on balance, one of the nicest cars on the road.
      *Tiguan, also not bad.
      *CRV, highest owner satisfaction rating.
      *CX5, very highly rated.
      *Suzuki, most underrated car brand on the road.

      Excellent Shortlist OP.

      You can't go wrong with these cars. Honda/Mazda has cheaper maintenance and better long term reliability but I think you already know this.

  • +2

    How about a Tucson? very decent vehicle, decent engine choices, with a 5 year warranty
    or a Kia variant? again very decent range, with 7 years warranty

    • Sorry, forgot to add to the OP that he's not keen on Korean cars, either.

      • +5

        Skoda? - better value than VW…IMO

        • +1

          Have a Tucson and it's great. Cant fault it esp compared to competitors price points
          Also rate skoda

      • +4

        Really. But he will consider a swift? Korean cars are probably the best cars on the market. For reliability and what you get for your money. Your budget is getting a top of the line Tuscon compared to a bottom of the line VW.

        • +2

          He's open to a Swift, I think, but not a Korean car.

        • +10

          @psyren89: Tell him to get the stupid 90's shitty Korean car mentality out of his head and realise that Kia have won multiple car of the year awards and currently have the best new car warranty on the market.

        • +4

          @psyren89:

          He's open to a Swift

          Does he realise the Swift is made in India?

          but not a Korean car

          Bad memories of the Korean war? Tell him Kim Jong XX is in the north and the cars are made in the south …

        • @sp00ker:

          Does he realise the Swift is made in India?

          Apparently, they're made in Japan (according to CarSales).

        • @psyren89:

          It is

        • -1

          @psyren89: Thailand actually

          http://www.caradvice.com.au/225173/suzuki-swift-upgraded-as-…

          As everyone has said

          Korean cars represent some of the best cars in the market. I would buy a hyundai over a swift anyday of the week.

        • @blawler05:
          That article's from 2013.

        • @blawler05:

          Thailand actually

          the best way to verify where they're made is to check their vin.

        • -1

          @psyren89: which is when they shifted production there. Maybe they shifted back to Japan

          Bottom line. In your price range. Korean cars are the best. They are regularly voted best car in their class. But naive racism will prevent you seeing that. So feel free to buy a VW and I look forward to your list in 3 years asking advice when the engine blows up and it is our of warranty. Japanese cars are not superior to Korean cars in anyway

        • -1

          @blawler05:

          naive racism

          … aaaaand there goes any interest I had in listening to you.

        • @blawler05:

          Japanese cars are not superior to Korean cars in anyway

          As two of our local mechanics always tell us. They both love it when people keep buying non-jap made vehicles. It makes them richer every day.

        • @whooah1979: which website to check?😊

  • S Cross is pretty good car and great value for money. Test ride one !

  • Vitara gets a good wrap, would say it's smaller than a Tiguan though.

    • Heard rumours the seats are not so good,.,.,

    • The issue with a 2WD SUV is that it will have almost no resale value. People in Aus love their AWD.

      • @dogboy

        In my experience this is not the case.
        2wd SUV are far higher represented in the market now compared to AWD variations, most likely based on the sharper purchase price and superior fuel economy.
        In terms of used vehicles, supply and demand dictates market value.
        Comparing used Toyota Rav4s, the gap between 2wd and AWD models used, is generally less than the RRP price gap.

        • Sure, although it can be hard to quantify as you are correct in saying supply/demand dictate this. There appears to be a far bigger supply of AWD vehicles hence why the price is not greater between the 2 variants. Not sure about fuel economy however as most AWD variants will allow you to drive it in 2WD mode as well.

        • @dogboy:

          All valid points.
          Its worth noting 2WD versions usually weigh less and tend to be offered with a smaller capacity engine.

        • @Cheap Charlie: Ah, I hadn't considered that. Very valid then.

  • +1

    Get him a Subaru WRX :)

    • I did contemplate some Subarus. Might add them to the list.

      • -4

        Hmmm, might not, actually. The models that suit the budget (Impreza, XV, Forester) all seem kinda lethargic as they all lack turbos. This is why I'm also a bit less willing to back the Mazdas on the list.

        • +4

          Mazda MX5 :)

      • -1

        subarus drink petrol bro more than others

  • @psyren89

    How long is your father intending to have the vehicle for?
    Is resale, reliability and cost of repairs a consideration?

    IMOP I would not want to own a VW outside of manufacturers warranty and to a lesser extent, the same with a current generation Mazda.
    I really like most of the current generations VW's/Aldis, however I would not purchase one with my own money.

    Perhaps consider the Honda HR-V in your medium segment.

    • How long is your father intending to have the vehicle for?

      The foreseeable future. I believe this is the last car he'll ever buy.

      Is resale, reliability and cost of repairs a consideration?

      He did say he wanted something that would hold its value, while servicing costs should also be considered (I have looked at VW's servicing schedule, and wasn't really enthused with what I saw).

      Reliability is a given, hence the "no Holden/Ford" rule.

      Perhaps consider the Honda HR-V in your medium segment.

      It uses the same engine as the last gen Civic while being marginally heavier - the Civic didn't have stellar performance, so neither will the HR-V.

      IMOP I would not want to own a VW outside of manufacturers warranty

      What makes you say this?

      • +8

        Even a Falcon destroys VW in reliability. One is using the same basic engine for decades tweaked over time, the other is changing stuff around, highly strung (as much power as it could pump out for its size), and bringing in half baked new technologies like DSG.

        • -2

          One is using the same basic engine for decades tweaked over time

          That would explain why my girlfriend's family has had 3 Falcons blow up on them.

        • +13

          @psyren89: if you think VW is reliable you clearly don’t have a clue about cars

        • -1

          @rochow:
          Here comes the vitriol. Not surprised, given what I've seen from this community.

        • +4

          @psyren89:
          I certainly would not suggest a Falcon for your father, especially seen as thoe they are no longer in production.
          As for the rest of the Ford Small and Medium segment vehicles, most are manufactured in Europe and feature the common euro reliability issues, such as DCT problems.
          Rochow does have a point, traditionally VAG vehicles have been plagued with reliability issues.
          such issues compounded with the expense of repairing such vehicles dictates the poor resale for the majority of VAG vehicles, out of manufacturers warranty.

          I would own a Golf and or a Tiguan in a heart beat, if it was a company car or some one else was was funding it.

        • If you know so much about all these “rubbish car brands”, why bother asking what to buy. VW DSG gearbox is trash and anyone with an inkling of knowledge is well aware of that.

          Falcon is dead so I wouldn’t recommend either, just a great comparison for “ford are rubbish but VW are great” nonsense. Fiesta dual clutch also has plenty of issues. It’s more down to individual make more so than brand itself.

          For anything that isn’t a brand new release there are plenty of reliability statistics online from various bodies. VW in particular is a massive issue in that the gearbox is a big expensive fix. A car that has a few small components break is much preferred.

        • +1

          @psyren89: 100%. Almost no one knows anything about cars here, apart from the crap that circulates internet forums, but that doesn't stop them giving their 'expert opinions'.

        • @Cheap Charlie:

          such issues compounded with the expense of repairing such vehicles dictates the poor resale for the majority of VAG vehicles

          Thanks, this is very useful for me to go back to my dad.

        • @psyren89:

          It's also complete BS. Take most of the info here with a grain of salt. VW's have good resale, just check carsales.com.au

        • @Burnertoasty: I had a quick look on Redbook earlier - the ~10 year old Tiguans retain roughly 20% of their value. I don't know whether that's a good thing or not, having only ever had a first gen CR-V for that long.

        • +2

          @psyren89: No car is going to have good resale value in 10 years. It's not worth looking at. Look at 5 years max.

        • +5

          @psyren89:

          A ten year old vag vs a ten year old jap made. Stick with the jap made.

        • @Burnertoasty:
          Redbook says the 2012 models hold about a third of their value.

        • @psyren89: my family has three Falcons, all from the 90s, and they're all running smoothly as ever. Never had a huge problem with any of them.

        • "A ten year old vag vs a ten year old jap made. Stick with the jap made."

          @whooah1979: I really do hope we are talking about cars…

  • Medium range sounds good for his age and budget.
    CX-3 has more push and can feel fast when driven, a lot cheaper (can prob nego a maxx model at 25k) - cheap but the boot space is not convenient.
    CX-5 you will notice a big difference in acceleration, bigger and similar to the tiguan, just not 'euro'
    Tiguan - I have seen many good reviews about this car, even at the base model. Go for it if he likes the drive and price (I have seen the price neg. to about 37-38k driveaway in QLD)

    Re-sale is generally good with the newer mazdas. Not sure about volks.

  • How healthy is your dad? If he's not, then it might not make sense to buy a new car, only for him to have to stop driving in a few years and resell for a lot less.

    It might be more economical for him to get an Uber or taxi.

    • +1

      How healthy is your dad? If he's not, then it might not make sense to buy a new car, only for him to have to stop driving in a few years and resell for a lot less.

      He's reasonably healthy. Can still walk long distances and do all the things he wants to without assistance.

  • +1

    I helped my dad to get a Mazda 3, bad idea, its look like a bumper car now. Older they get, their visibility/reaction time will be reduce, get a small less powerful automatic car.

    • +1

      Mazda 3 isn’t exactly powerful. Good car choice IMO - pretty solid, 20k odd so won’t break the bank, and insurance shouldn’t be too much.

      • -2

        That's what I thought at that time, but should of go with Mazda 2 or similar size car.

        • +2

          Probably yep. Any tech like blind spot, reverse sensors are great too, can be hard to get on some smaller cars.

  • +3

    We live in WA.

    give spackbace a shout and he'll fix you up with affordable and reliable toyota.

    • I thought he sells Suzuki?

    • I tried to @ him in the OP but realised OzB doesn't have tagging or notifications of mentions. I'll have to get out my spack-signal.

      • +2

        Sup…!

        Yeah Toyota now not Suzuki so in that way I'm not a huge help!

        But…

        S-Cross and Vitara share the same platform, and I believe the S-Cross has a slightly bigger boot. But get the Vitara. S-Cross has sways suffered for sales whereas everyone loves the Vitara.

        The Vitara has an amazing drive and real-world economy is very good for a petrol engine. It does miss out on some modern technology (blind spot monitors, adaptive cruise control etc) but does still offer plenty.

        Timing chain is a big plus.

        Toyota CHR would be a better buy if it had a bigger engine. The 1.2T doesn't compare at all to that 1.4T.

        I loved my Vitara turbo demo car. A lot of fun and very zippy (was driving Roe Hwy every day to work, was never an issue).

        Any other questions fire away!

        • What do you consider a good price for a new Vitara S Turbo 2WD?

        • +1

          @psyren89: No money in the world would be enough for me to drive that car. Do not buy a 2wd SUV.

        • @Burnertoasty:
          What's your aversion to 2WD SUVs?

        • @psyren89: I stated it in a below post. Basically they are very unsafe. A regular fwd car has an inherent level of danger when it is over the limit. This is magnified in an SUV, which has a higher CoG which lowers said limit, is prone to more understeer, torque steer and shift in momentum. They are plain dangerous in a passive way.

        • +1

          @Burnertoasty:
          Oh, right. If it were 4wd, would you be less averse?

        • +2

          @psyren89:

          There's normally only about $1k in them at the $29,990 price. So a discount of $1k would be good, maybe push them to $1.5k if you're feeling ballsy and are ready to do something on the day


          As to the other shit about roll-overs etc, last I checked no one is treating an SUV like a WRX. Plus only need to look at the 4wd Ute testing 6 months ago to prove that it's not all about the wheels on the ground.

          Not many cars put equal power down to all 4 tyres. You're talking Subaru (with their Symmetrical AWD), and some big 4WDs (Prado, LC200). Many 4WDs/AWDs actually bias the front wheels wherever possible (for fuel economy) and only put power down at the back when slip is detected. Or some 4WDs actually cruise around in 2H normally (like 4WD Ute's).

          Long story short, you're more likely to die in a plane crash than an SUV roll-over. It simply doesn't happen on a day-to-day basis. I'd happily drive a modern 2WD SUV with ABS and ASC than am older 4WD with none of that.

          Makes all the difference.

        • @whooah1979:

          American data though isn't beneficial. Let's face it they've had a bigger SUV market for a while now, so they have a lot of older unsafe SUVs driving around.

          And I didn't see anything mention about cause of death (roll-over, head-on etc) so it just shows that people died in SUVs… Which isn't very helpful.

        • @Spackbace:
          I don't want to get in the middle of you and burnertoasty's discussion.

          Anyways, here is the data from the iihs. One has to look at the table to understand.

          Passenger vehicle occupant deaths in single-vehicle crashes by impact point and vehicle type, 2015
          Point of initial impact Car occupants Pickup occupants SUV occupants All occupants
          Number % Number % Number % Number %
          Frontal 2,956 54 1,278 49 1,131 44 5,470 50
          Side 1,070 19 380 14 323 13 1,793 17
          Rear 106 2 30 1 35 1 171 2
          Other (mostly rollover) 1,364 25 943 36 1,060 42 3,424 32
          All* 5,496 100 2,631

        • @whooah1979:

          My apologies didn't notice that

        • @Spackbace:

          It doesn't really matter what the data says. At the end of the day we feel safer in our 2tonne than in a small hatch.

          You know what they say "ohh what a feeling."

        • @psyren89: yes

  • +1

    Just from a perspective of safety

    The 2 Mazda, Mazda 3 and Cx-5 both can get - Radar Cruise Control and Forward Obstruction Warning, I wouldn't buy another car without it.

    The Suzuki S-Cross Turbo

    and the Honda CR-v

    I think are the only ones with it helps so much in stop start traffic by keeping distance based on speed also handy for those changes you miss the car in front slows by 10 k's so do you it can pay for it's self in speeding tickets (the option of the ACC not the car)

    • -2

      I wouldn't buy another car without it.

      heh. sorry, but that just made my day.

      • +1

        remember that hot chick in the miniskirt you were checking out and nearly smashed into the car in front

        • Nope. We keep a strict three second distance.

        • +2

          @whooah1979:
          The problem I have when keeping a safe distance is cars merging into the gap. Adaptive cruise control makes that much less annoying.

  • Rav 4 or Corolla? Good resale value, reliable, Japanese made. I imagine much cheaper to service than some of the Volkswagens

  • Beats me why people ask for advice here when there are any amount of detailed expert reviews, including long term (6 months use) reviews out there. Yeah, yeah- motoring journos are biased and corrupt. When you read the same general opinion from a dozen of them from around the world I think you can take them seriously- or it's an international motoring conspiracy- but in that case they would be sure to hit forums like this.

    • +2

      OP asking which is best suit for old man, social aspect, nothing to do with car reviews.

    • I asked this forum because long term owners can give a better indication of what it's like to own a car, whereas reviewers usually only have it for a few days at best.

      Reviewers also can't give me an indication of a good price to haggle.

  • "The results were unsatisfactory for all brands, with no brand scoring a complaint rating of less than 44 per cent. Two-thirds of all new car buyers (66 per cent) reported experiencing problems in the first four years, with the average fault costing $1295 and 31 hours to fix, CHOICE reported."

    Crikey- 31 hours- that can't be right can it?

    http://thenewdaily.com.au/life/auto/2016/03/14/worst-car-bra…

    • Though I'd love to crap all over Holden and Ford, those sample sizes are very small - the statistical significance is minuscule.

  • "14% of consumers had major flaws in their vehicles - which left those vehicles seriously impaired or completely off the road."

    "15% of owners were unable to get the vehicle fixed."

    "16% of owners were asked to sign confidentiality agreements in exchange for repairs/refund"

    Aye carumba

    http://autoexpert.com.au/buying-a-car/choice-2016-lemon-car-…

    I had the impression this was the golden age of car reliabilty.

    • +2

      Far from it.
      Cars are becoming so complex to not only meet ever tightening emissions and safety standards, but also the expected level of equipment in a car in this day and age.
      It was not that long ago that highlight in the vehicles feature list was Aircon and power windows.

    • +1

      try showing that set of figures to Fernado Alonso

      • Hah…

        poor bastard

  • I think the best choice of cars in your list is the VW Tiguan by a long way. Don't pay RRP. Don't buy a 2WD SUV. Its embarrassing, but also unsafe (high SOG), torque steer, understeer. Here are some examples:

    https://www.carsales.com.au/bncis/details/Volkswagen-Tiguan-… Brand new 4*4 Comfortline petrol (132TSI) (my pick, GTI motor) $41.8k before negotiations.

    https://www.carsales.com.au/demo/details/Volkswagen-Tiguan-2… Demo 4*4 diesel $41.5k before negotiations

    There are also a couple of demos for $40.8k on sale with 3500km.

    • I've seen some people talking about additions to the MY18 model that make it more worthwhile - I'll have a closer look.

    • Never buy a demo unless it has done hardly any Ks and is a significant price off RRP (>15% off). Negotiate a brand new down to the price of the demo.

      3,500km is a very long time for a car to be demoed. I think I demo cars for longer than average, and even then, that's probably 30km at the most. That's over a 100 people flogging that car around.

      • Most test drivers aren't flogging the car though. They maybe get to the speed limit on the highway and spend half of it driving at low speed testing turning circles and parking. It's more the dealers taking it home you have to worry about.

  • My 66yo mother recently bought a Subaru XV. I didn't think she needed a new car (drives maybe 4000km p.a.) but the sales guy did a number on her about height for ease of access, safety features for grandkids etc. She did negotiate hard, and got some good discounts (I think a demo model for $27k). It's in your budget, reliable, and potentially good value. Not a bad drive either, though not a racer. Maybe an option?

    • So not one of these then.
      https://youtu.be/jsmvV30u6wM

    • I did initially consider it, but on eyeballing the stats, it lacks a bit of grunt (compared to the other shortlisted cars with turbos). It does have CVT going for it, though.

      • +5

        It does have CVT going for it, though.

        I'm sorry but wtf?!

        Give me a 6-speed box over any CVT!

  • Haha that's pretty funny. Definitely not.
    I just looked up the XV and it's a 9sec 0-100. Not very inspiring, though better than current CR-V I guess?

    • Not bad. From memory a company tested the Vitara Turbo and it was getting mid-7s (from memory)

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