The recent news of a man who got dragged out of the United Airlines flight has been making headlines all over.
I feel that the man should sue the hell out of the company but Some are saying that it was the police, not the airlines who forced the passenger out of the plane, so he cannot sue United.
i would like to know if he has the right to do so.
Any lawyers or informed people here?
All contributions welcomed with a thank you.
Damage control LOL. Too late bud.
Yes, probably damage control. But the good thing is that the wording of the announcement demonstrates that they thought about it and understand some important issues, like care and respect for human beings, taking responsibility, and fixing anachronistic rules and practices.
Yea after his stock options got less valuable by X amount. Anyone would have woken up when you see your net worth go down by 4% in one trading session and an unknown amount more over the next week. So do people really believe he meant his words? Not me because if he really does, this would have been his first response, not THIRD!
@KaTst3R: funnily enough, I don't think their shares went down much. http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/ual
Went down by almost 2.5% initially but flew back up immediately after.
Only took 3 attempts.
Yes because America, where you can sue Red Bull for not giving you literal wings
But in all seriousness, between the two lawyers he'll probably throw a bit of legal muscle around and settle with United and Chicago PD for an undisclosed million $$$ payout… nobody likes taking these things to trial, it takes too long and is very costly + for United and Chicago PD, probably want to avoid further PR issues and risk dragging it out especially since trials are public, can take years and public opinion is already tipped against them.
TL;DR - you can file a lawsuit for anything, even sue GOD but this one isn't likely to ever go to trial.
So what if your had an urgent matter, someone dying monther or sibling? Some business related, that Could loose your job? In these cases such a small amount of money is unsatisfactory.
I am a medical doctor!
I save lives, like Jesus!
I'm not some mere filthy mortal!
Soon to expire people fawn over me!
Worship me!
The usual rules of human conduct do not apply to me, you ruffian!
I shall not leave this aircraft!
Unhand me!
Unhand me!
…… Ha! I have returned! Ha! Holy crap, i'm bleeding! Only mortals bleed!!!
Just another self-entitled little prat looking for a bloody nose.
I hope this law suit cripples United (doubtful) they're the worst airlines to ever deal with. 0 effort when it comes to customer service, shitty service and rude employee.
I doubt it will bankrupt the company as Malaysian Airlines went through a rough patch few years ago with MH370 and they're still flying.
The different is MA is state own. It's a lot harder to bankrupt as an airline when you got the government backing you, especially when you are the only major airline to operate out the the said country.
dr or not, previous convictions or not, the fact is, if it was you in that situation, you would not be happy at all. if at the very last minute, after all that customs crap, all that boarding crap, all that lining up crap, ive finally sat down in my seat, and i suddenly get surrounded by intimidating police officers, with everyone on the flight staring at me like wtf did this guy do, i would not be happy. i would comply, as thats just me, i dont like to make scenes and carry on like a blubbering baby, but i wouldnt be happy.
Clear case of racial discrimination. All 4 of the passengers selected were Asians: FACT!
Or maybe not.
Oh come on. All those people that were "outraged"….. Really… If they felt so bad about it, then how come no one volunteered to give up their seat for a $800 voucher as well as good karma!
Then people make a big deal about the man allegedly being a doctor (now this is possibly true due to the mans extreme reaction). If it was such a big deal then again… Why did no one volunteer.
No, instead we should all just take out our phones and record it and submit to funniest home videos. Great logic there.
And I realize that there would be passengers tracelling with family etc, but come on.. Everyone?
The actions of the enforcement officers were definitely in the wrong though. That kind of behaviour should not be condoned unless commited due to irrational violence on the offenders side.
Personally, if I was in that situation and I didnt have anything urgent or anything. I would have just taken it as a vacation day and look like a nice person at the same time!
Because it wasn't one $800 voucher, it was something like 16 $50 vouchers, which are limited to a use of one per booking and a 12 month expiry. You'd have to be an idiot or need to fly every couple weeks to take the offer.
Hmm… Didnt see where it was several vouchers. Where was that from?
Rest of the post still stands though.
Its all reports from people who have volunteered to be bumped on a US airline in the past.
Because no single $800 voucher was offer, what was offer was 16x$50 vouchers to use on united flight that have 12 months expiry date. You gonna travel 16 times in the next year?
Like I said. So what? If you really feel bad for someone do you plan to just record it and not volunteer?
Not a single person volunteered.
Downvote all you guys want. Fact remains that it is a joke that no one volunteered and instead came up with all that crap about feeling bad for the person.
United Airlines must be delighted with this incident.
It has stopped all talk about last months problem.
How two teens in leggings became a PR mess for United Airlines
Looking forward to May.
200% can sue and win. No win no fee!!!!!!!!!!
Finding a lawyer to represent you in America is unlikely to be an issue these days.
I dont believe there was confirmation about the man being a doctor. Must really love his patients though, willing to go theough all that for them. Kudos to him if its true.
And that excuses beating and humiliating him in public?
You've missed the point.
Folk are attributing a racial dimension to his treatment, when in fact there is no evidence for this at all.
I've underlined this point by turning the suggestion on its head - the notion that he refused only as a black man was asking him to leave. Again, no evidence at all that this is the case.
Racism is certainly as issue in American society - there are profound racial divisions - but that doesn't mean it's a factor in this case. This prat pulling the racist card is pathetic.
There, i've explained my post. I hate doing that.
On another matter, the carrier always has the right to request an individual to leave the aircraft. There's no doubt about that, ticket or not. Did they use reasonable force when he refused? Well that's an entirely legitimate concern, but given what else is happening in the world, who the f cares? But that's a different point to the one i was making.
It's just because it's caught on video - and we can see ourselves in that position. A minor distraction for the masses…
And he wasn't necessarily "beaten up", and nor was he in "public" - that's private property right there.
so if it was a white middle aged woman doctor you would assert she would also have been selected to leave and then punched in the face.
that's fabulous.
They pull all sorts of folk off planes.
The general process has been explained by others above - it's not race based, and some of those suggesting otherwise on this site are in fact engaging in race-hate themselves.
There's as much evidence that he was punched in the face as there's evidence that he punched himself in the face.
The guy's a predatory sex offending nutjob.
Listening to him whimpering at the end about them trying to kill him manifests deep delusions.
Zero f's given.
You should change your name to AngryIdiot.
Oh, another apologist for this prat.
Don't believe the hype.
Its USA, and with the high profile and most people against the rough treatment he will win easily just because any jury (they use jury in civil cases there) will want him to win.
Considering all the negative PR and value already lost from shareprice they would be best just throwing a few million at him to buy him off and get him to make a statement that he doesnt blame the airline and still likes them all a misunderstanding etc.
Whether Ian lives or dies matters very little to me TBH.
My bet is he will name all parties in the incident, and they will need to sort out who pays what. Considering at the time, it was still voluntary, united is going to be in a world of hurt for calling the police on a passenger who was under no obligation to leave.
What happens here in Aus? As soon as someone tells you to leave, irrespective of if you had the right to be there, you have to leave. The cost of the plane ticket is a civil matter.
This guys must have had a 'particular set of skills' to be able to fend off 3 burly young men to get back into the plane.
Props.
Whimpering seems to be his primary skill base.
He probably just slithered back on like the simpering snake that he is.
I wonder what algorithm did they use to choose this random passenger.. Most computer algorithms for generating random numbers do not generate true randoms, they are pseudo-randoms. So there you go, this man has a case. *-)
So thats why the I dont play as well on the PC version of monopoly haha.
Jokes aside, that algorithm part seems like bs. Roll some dice to decide.
Problem.. dice only has 6 sides :P
That comment was actually in reference to throwing a dice and taking the number of each. 666 is almost enough. The teo digit seat mumbers are the lucky ones :D
See if any news organisation wants to pay him for some exclusive interview.
That scientology woman whatever her name is. Even managed to get her own TV program
Do we now know for sure why he ran back to the back again looking disoriented and mumbling "just kill me"? Head concussion or just mentally unstable?
Does anyone even know the true story of what happened?
I think there seems to be dodgy shit going on with what the actual series of events was.
Apparently there are claims of a businessman in first class with a family of four who came late but wanted on.
Some dodgy claims that the employees who were flying to work to the destination which was understaffed, suddenly decided to fly as passengers which was subsequently retracted.
I believe there is some cover up when they state employee decided to fly as passenger, which is probably code for, first class/businessman who came late.
Claims of medical malpractice and improper script writing replaced with anger management issues.
Is anyone else just having a WTF moment when they read the fake news that the major outlets are pulling out. The mainstream media…
First it was a security guard, then it turned out to be law enforcement, but then later statements retract stating security at the airport.
Everything looks like a freaking cover up.
And that would be the United Airlines/security fault, they handled it very badly in-case 'you've missed the point' above.
It's not United's fault - this guy assaulted them with his face.
@AngryChicken:
Hmm. I thguht the chicken was for the victim. Guess things change quick.
Well… Luckily you cant insult people by lacking of a brain.. Oh wait….
Lol you make no sense, they 1st forcibly pulled him out of the seat
Are you daft?
The series of events went like this:
1.) Plane announcement advises passengers who wish to take the offer, disembark the flight with a $800 voucher and 1 night free hotel as plane is over-booked.
2.) Noone takes the offer so pilot generates random selector to take passenger out
3.) Idiot passenger refuses advising he is a Dr and is staying put.
4.) Staff tell idiot passenger that he must leave else security will be called, idiot passenger advises to call security
5.) Security come and tell idiot passenger to go off else he will be forced off, idiot passenger challenges them advising he would rather go to jail.
Now you tell me where the problem is?
@frostman: When i said '1st', i was stating where the first assault happened.
But to answer your question - 1.) is where the problem is, as the United Airlines lacked the customer service/decency to increase the voucher $value - this would have quickly fixed the issue. If you both had read about it on the 1st page.
Now you tell me where the problem is?
Bit of both i'd say.
They should have jacked their bribe, and this Asian sex-offending dummy-spitting prat should have gotten off when requested.
United Airlines lacked the customer service/decency to increase the voucher $value
$800 voucher + 1 night free stay + next day flight free of cost is ok in my opinion.
He would have spent the night at the local casino with $800
They should have jacked their bribe, and this Asian sex-offending dummy-spitting prat should have gotten off when requested
Is David Anh Duy Dao the same man as David Thanh Duc Dao?
Because if they aren't, that's defamation right there.
This is the internet dummy.
Defamation is a real world notion.
We're not in the real world.
We're in an imaginary world.
Get with the program.
They don't count, unless they also lost two front teeth and suffered a broken nose
That's because they weren't belligerent
You're sounding a little belligerent.
I'll have to ask you to leave or i'll request security break your face.
I think what we learn from all this is that if you get asked to leave your seat, even if it's a term and condition you've already agreed to, DO NOT leave. If you can get airline staff to Kick you off, get a mate to film it and, you'll be looking at a massive settlement. Well played sir, well played.
Just remember to get a rock solid fake identity to go with it. Dont want that baggage coming up.
You can always sue anyone or any company you like to make a point or to seek compensation. The question is that will you win?!
The issue for this case is that any airline shall not force anyone off a booked flight needless to say a checked-in and granted seat.
How does the airline know how important the seat is to the person - in time to treat a very sick patient, signing a huge business contract, once in a life time job interview, in time to save a marriage etc. and you name it. The airline shall just up their offer to all passengers for their willingness to take up the offer.
Concussion, 2 teeth gone and broken nose. Seems like those 'police officers' had a good private workout session (American style) with their Asian friend and really thought they can get away with it, like how the TSA customs officials can get away with their regular molestation routines.
To be fair to United, surely they didn't make that special request with the 'police' when they called them in the first place. But the fact that the 'police' was called in the first place just showed their insincerity to provide good customer experience. So they deserved the backlash ultimately nonetheless.
As with the Chicago council, I don't think they should be legally liable, the participating individuals (police) should be 100% responsible however. Hope they rot in jail without pay.
His lawyer now says plastic surgery is needed as the face was contorted due to trauma
According to law experts in America,
"Aviation law expert Arthur Wolk, the founding partner of the Wolk Law Firm in Philadelphia, thinks Dao could bring a lawsuit in the millions of dollars.
There is nothing in that contract that gives United the right to commit an assault and battery."
Hope he F❤️❤️❤️S them over
The security guards' employer is the Chicago Dept of Aviation not United Airlines.
This has been completely overhyped.
If it was a redneck looking white guy, no-one would have cared.
It just happens to be a dodgey Asian doctor who rufies patients for sex, and suddenly the Left is screaming RACIST.
He was a belligerent & arrogant (profanity), he deserved to be smashed even more
He was a belligerent & arrogant (much more massive super duper profanity like the biggest ever) alright.
We should take bets on how much he gets from a) UA and 2) the airport 'police.
They may well settle to keep it quiet, but he will definitely get a truckload.
accordingly,
"Dr. David Dao, 69, was thrown into the public spotlight after a viral video showed him being knocked unconscious and forcibly removed from a United Airlines flight earlier this week.
Outrage over the video has become a public relations nightmare for United Airlines resulting in massive losses on the stock market. According to Fortune Finance “shares of United fell as much as 6.3% in pre-market trading, dropping $1.4 billion from the now $21 billion company by market cap. By early trading Tuesday, shares were down 4%.”
CEO Oscar Munoz made things worse with a public statement that shifted the blame onto Dr. Dao and the Airport Police officers. A follow up investigation has revealed a dark past Dao would have preferred to keep secret.
According to documents filed with the Kentucky Board of Medical Licensure, Dao lost his medical license after being arrested and charged with trading drugs for sex. Following an undercover investigation, the Board discovered that Dao had developed a sexual interest in male patient Brian Case. Dao, a pediatrician, gave Case a physical examination including contact with Case’s genetalia before offering him a job as the office manager.
Case later quit his job due to “inappropriate” office behavior, but made arrangements with Dao to receive prescription drugs in exchange for sexual favors.
In 2004 Dao was convicted of multiple felonies including acquiring drugs by fraud or deceit. According to the Louisville Courier-Journal, Dao was given five years of supervised probation. According to the Kentucky Board of Medical Licensure, Case and Dao spent three years scamming multiple pharmacies for prescription narcotics. The two men would frequently meet in hotel rooms to complete the exchange.
After completing his probation and submitting to a psychological evaluation, Dao’s license was re-instated in 2015 with several conditions."
The CEO finally said the right thing:
“The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened,” he said. “Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologise to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.
“I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.
"It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivising volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement.”
Mr Munoz said the results of the review would be available on April 30. “I promise you we will do better,” he said.