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  hzac on 31/03/2017 - 08:37

  +2

  No one should be supporting g2a and their dodgy business practices

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    Lysander on 31/03/2017 - 09:14

    +2

    While I agree with you, this would mean I could not buy from any big shop in Australia as they all have dodgy business practices, one way or another (pressure buying, artificial scarcity, BS specs and advice, unilateral cancelling of contracts if they feel that they do not want to order the item you ordered at a higher cost than they anticipated etc.).
    Given that you name the shop here too please be careful - unless you can prove it they theoretically could get you for defamation, regardless of what you feel about the shop as feeling and facts (evidence) are not the same.
    Have a great day.

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      Tacooo on 31/03/2017 - 09:48

      +1

      What a load of shit. There are plenty of reputable CD key sites that don't (profanity) over the developers like G2A does. Don't try and put the blame on anyone else but yourself. If you buy from G2A you are hurting the developers.

      As for your proof why don't you just go read any of the stories from any devs who have had stolen CD keys of theirs sold there.

      lol if you actually think they could get him for defamation. Trolls are meant to live under bridges, not on OzBargain.

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        hzac on 31/03/2017 - 10:14

        He's right though. I've said a somewhat negative opinion on the internet. I'm done for. Cuff me boys. See you in 30 years

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        Tacooo on 31/03/2017 - 10:28

        @hzac: How dare you share your thoughts on a company you've purchased products from. What kind of brainless shill are you? Obviously not a very good one!

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        Lysander on 31/03/2017 - 11:04

        +4

        You need to learn to be a bit less aggressive in your approach I believe.

        1. I said clearly I agree that developers should not be cheated.

        2. You do not have any such evidence - in fact, it is clearly stated that with this particular deal the developers are involved and agree to participate. Stories from devs are just said - to you they are hearsay, no more. If the keys were stolen from them, I am fairly certain the devs would have involved the police as that is a crime. G2A would have been shut down a long time ago.

        "The keys come directly from developers and publishers. There are no third-party sellers involved in G2A Deal."

        3. There is a difference between doing what is morally wrong and what is legally wrong. While some companies might be doing things that are morally wrong or what is both morally and legally wrong, making defamatory remarks is clearly legally wrong. Although from a moral viewpoint, you cannot complain about someone doing something morally and/or legally wrong by doing something legally wrong as well. Really weakens your argument and persuasiveness.

        4. Do you demand that Ebay is shut down merely because some criminals sell things on there that they have stolen? And yes, that happens every day, ten thousand times. So, while some people on G2A might fall into that category, not all will and certainly that is no reason to demand G2A to be shut down as otherwise places like Ebay, Gumtree etc. must be shut down also, even more so given Ebay's size. After all G2A is a platform just like Ebay and unfortunately, as on every such platform, some people who participate are criminals and scum - those people are to blame, not the platform.

        Be a man, admit you misread the G2A deal (if you even bothered to look at it) and were wrong about this one and move on, especially given that it is explicitly stated that "The keys come directly from developers and publishers. There are no third-party sellers involved in G2A Deal." which negates your whole post.

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        Tacooo on 31/03/2017 - 11:39

        @Lysander: I read the part about the devs giving their keys for this but that doesn't excuse the fact that G2A allows stolen keys to be sold every other time of the day and then pretend to give a shit when questioned over it.

        How do you think these keys are stolen? Do you think someone is hacking into their database and actually stealing them? No, they're just normal CD keys bought with stolen credit cards. When the bank finds out they're stolen though, they charge the original receiver (the developer) a chargeback fee. So the dev is left without a key, without their money and also have to pay back a chargeback fee. You think the police could care about a little untraceable credit card theft? No, they don't.

        As for evidence? Here's just a few articles from both perspectives.
        https://www.kotaku.com.au/2016/07/g2a-scammer-explains-how-h…
        http://www.polygon.com/2016/6/20/11982544/indie-dev-says-gre…

        Yeah, there is a difference between legally and morally wrong but when your entire business practice is based in a legal grey area and profits almost entirely from (knowingly) (profanity) over other companies (which you claim to support) you're still a piece of shit.

        No I don't demand that eBay is shut down as they actually give a shit about stolen goods. Anything on there that is reported stolen will be taken down and investigated. Anyone on there who was accused of selling stolen goods would be investigated or banned. G2A knowingly allow stolen keys to be sold then just wipe their hands of any problems once the spotlight is shone on them.

        Be a man? Really? Admitting that I didn't read something (which I did as I'm no drongo) makes me more of a man? Your standards are pretty low then mate. Maybe you should take a look at your definition of a man if that's the case.

        The fact that you can't just admit that there are plenty of other places to buy CD keys from legitimately is pretty good too. Instead you opt for the ridiculously over the top "this would mean I could not buy from any big shop in Australia as they all have dodgy business practices".

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        Lysander on 31/03/2017 - 12:14

        @potplanty:

        Seems to me you are what you claim you are not unfortunately. Ebay tries to do that but does have a pretty low success rate.

        I have had things stolen, found it on Ebay and they did not do anything about it. Gumtree is ripe for people selling stolen stuff. By the way, people selling their ex-partners' stuff might sound funny (and we read about it on the news) but technically they steal the goods and sell them. And Gumtree supports that, probably unwittingly I might add. Let's shut it down, right?

        People do exactly the same thing with physical goods too - do you know how many products are bought every day in Australia with stolen credit cards and then sold on? Compared with that G2A is nothing.

        Companies have a lot of trouble if fake copies of their products are sold and their trademarks are infringed. Not the big ones obviously but small to medium size ones.

        I still believe you have an unreasonable hate for G2A and nothing will convince you otherwise. Obviously you prefer seeing things Black and White only although you have conceded the area they operate in is grey. ;-) If that is the case, then they are not doing anything illegal or at least it has not been determined as such. Do you really believe the police would not shut them down for trafficking stolen items if they were legally responsible and could be held accountable?
        How do you actually know that the police has not already investigated and determined G2A are not doing anything wrong in the eyes of the law?

        For your information: I do not buy from G2A, CDkeys or anything like it.

        And yes, I do not support those big companies in Australia that support dodgy tactics - I buy elsewhere.

        Yes, admission you are wrong is part of being a man. Being fair, unbiased, and open minded is as well. But you just proved my point, so thank you.

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        HomeAlone on 31/03/2017 - 12:19

        @potplanty:

        I read the part about the devs giving their keys for this but that doesn't excuse the fact that G2A allows stolen keys to be sold every other time of the day and then pretend to give a shit when questioned over it.

        Can you tell me what steps G2A has taken in the past 12 months to address the issue of stolen keys?

        So the dev is left without a key, without their money and also have to pay back a chargeback fee.

        I don't see how the chargeback has anything to do with G2A. Also, devs/publishers can void keys so they have the option to remove any and all stolen keys.

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        Tacooo on 31/03/2017 - 12:30

        @Lysander: And pray tell, what is it I claim to be? Reading over my own posts I see nothing I wrote that resembles me claiming to be anything.

        If you're right about eBay (I can't say as I don't have experience with it) then yes, they should be investigated or even shut down if reasonable precautions and steps aren't taken to resolve the issues. Gumtree too but seeing as no money actually goes through them it's a bit harder.

        I'm sure they are but tracking credit card theft when the thief goes and purchases physical goods is a lot easier than someone who bought the stolen info on the dark web and purchased the keys behind a VPN from half a world away in a country that doesn't give a damn. Also, yes, G2A is nothing compared the other credit card theft that goes on but the other credit card theft doesn't further ruin an industry I happen to love.

        Sure, maybe I do have an unreasonable hate. Personally I've purchased keys from there before and the transactions all went smoothly. Then I found out how shady they were and how many devs have been personally screwed by G2A and I decided to pay a few extra dollars for a proper copy so I don't cause the developers to lose revenue. I've seen how their media team tries to shovel this all under the rug because they know how deceptive and shady they are. They even did an AMA on Reddit and literally every response was people shitting on them and then G2A trying to backpedal and obfuscate the facts.

        I don't know that but I'd sure like to if they did. Either way, G2A does help facilitate the selling of stolen goods by not doing proper checks when sellers come and put them up (as has been proven time and time again).

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        Tacooo on 31/03/2017 - 12:35

        @kamoi: >Can you tell me what steps G2A has taken in the past 12 months to address the issue of stolen keys?

        No, can you?

        I don't see how the chargeback has anything to do with G2A.

        G2A facilitate the selling of stolen keys. When the bank finds out the original key was purchased (from the dev) with a stolen card they charge back the entire transaction. This means the dev has no money, no key and has to pay the charge back fee. Meanwhile, G2A has the money from the buyer and wipes their hands clean of any wrongdoing.

        Also, devs/publishers can void keys so they have the option to remove any and all stolen keys.

        They could but at this point the key has been sold to someone who doesn't know that they're stolen. So they could void the key but it may just mean that an otherwise happy player now has no game and thinks the devs screwed them over, therefore not (potentially) buying any future games. At that point they're just risking their (potential) customer base.

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        HomeAlone on 31/03/2017 - 13:18

        @potplanty:

        No, can you?

        Yes I can, but I was hoping to hear it from you since you are the one claiming they don't "give a shit".

        Your argument there has lost all validity now that you've admitted that you don't even know the facts about what you are talking about.

        G2A facilitate the selling of stolen keys. When the bank finds out the original key was purchased (from the dev) with a stolen card they charge back the entire transaction. This means the dev has no money, no key and has to pay the charge back fee. Meanwhile, G2A has the money from the buyer and wipes their hands clean of any wrongdoing.

        Credit card fraud isn't something that came about only after G2A appeared on the market. There are a multitude of options available out there to reduce risk (captcha, IP logging, SMS verification, etc.)

        There are even 3rd party payment solutions which have services specifically designed to cater for digital purchases. (Adyen, Global Collect/Ingenico, etc.)

        Probably won't ever completely eliminate fraud with digital goods, but with the right tools it can be kept at bay at 1-2%. I know there are articles out there which show it to be a much bigger issue like that G2A/TinyBuild article you linked, but had TinyBuild used ANY sort of fraud mitigation on their site the issue would not have been anywhere near as severe. They now link to Steam rather than attempting to handle it on their own.

        They could but at this point the key has been sold to someone who doesn't know that they're stolen. So they could void the key but it may just mean that an otherwise happy player now has no game and thinks the devs screwed them over, therefore not (potentially) buying any future games. At that point they're just risking their (potential) customer base.

        Who would you point fingers at if you purchased a game which subsequently got revoked? The publisher/developer or whoever sold you the game?

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        User123321 on 31/03/2017 - 13:34

        @potplanty:

        "We are listening to the feedback, and after that, making improvements," said G2A CEO Skwarczek in an interview with me a few weeks ago. "Sometimes it is harsh. Sometimes when we see these articles, they are not very nice, but we understand that [it's] our [job] to show people how it is from our point of view."

        The company told me recent events have not impacted their bottom line. Just today, G2A launched G2A Direct, allowing developers to sell keys to consumers through G2A, run keys through a database in search of fraudulent sales, and receive up to a 10 per cent cut on third-party auctions."

        Sound's like they don't support selling of stolen keys to me by reading the "Proof" you provided and they also support developers by giving them a 10% cut of a third party sale

        (KOTAKU)

        He claims that fraudsters purchased thousands of codes through the portal, and began selling them on G2A.(sounds like a flaw with there portal if someone is purchasing thousands of keys its more likely to be on a few credits cards and not 1000's of stolen credit cards which means if there was something in place to prevent multiple purchases over XX number it would of prevented them getting into so much debt to begin with) food for thought

        (Polygon)

        Late yesterday, G2A responded. In a statement sent to Polygon it said that TinyBuild’s March blog post on piracy contains "unreliable information." In the course of its sales calls, G2A says it simply asked Nichiporchik for a list of all the game codes that he believes were purchased fraudulently, and offered to use that information to purge individual items and, if need be, remove certain resellers from their marketplace.

        Sharing that information, for IndieGameStand at least, seems to have yielded results.

        (https://twitter.com/IndieGameStand/status/713334146521767936)

        http://www.polygon.com/2016/6/22/12002444/g2a-tinybuild-frau…

        Think you should do more reading / research before you open your mouth

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        HomeAlone on 31/03/2017 - 13:46

        @potplanty:

        No, can you?

        Here you go.

        • Passport, Driver's License, State-issued ID card (They require two of these. One of them must show your address.)

        • Bank statement and utility bill

        • PayPal verification. Done through a payment authorization which requires that a PayPal verified Credit/Debit card is linked to the PayPal account.

        • SMS verification. Required each time you withdraw and is sent to the same number so you can't just use some free temporary SMS number service online.

        • In some countries sellers are even required to link their social media account.

        • Funds from the sale of each key are held by G2A for 14 days before being released to the seller for withdrawal.

        • New sellers are required to provide proof of purchase for the keys they are putting up for sale.

        • Verified sellers are also hit by this request at random or every time if listing in bulk.

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        Lysander on 31/03/2017 - 13:48

        +1

        @potplanty:

        Why do we not also then blame the VPN providers? Without them, the anonymity would be gone.

        Or shut down the Dark web?

        Every one of those is part responsible for the situation. Just blaming one part of it is not fair. Blame they all with the same consequences or leave them all be.

        As kamoi said, they have taken steps to address the issue. They are monitoring etc.

        This post is for a particular deal. In this deal, the publishers are participating and have given their keys. By buying them you support the publishers and developers. Hence, any general hate for G2A really belongs to a different post.

        For what it is, this is a great deal by G2A and the game developers and publishers.

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        Tacooo on 31/03/2017 - 13:50

        @kamoi:

        Yes I can, but I was hoping to hear it from you since you are the one claiming they don't "give a shit".
        Your argument there has lost all validity now that you've admitted that you don't even know the facts about what you are talking about.

        I can provide claims they've made where they apparently have upgraded security and fraud prevention on their site without providing proof. I can then provide actual proof they lied about it as a person went and tried selling a fake key a few minutes after that claim (not a real key at all, just some random letters) and it got listed on the market almost instantly without any fraud prevention checks or anything. Not even so much as an ID verification.

        As for actual proof of them improving their site and whatnot, no I can't as there literally is no proof of it that I'm aware of. If however you actually have some (as you claim) then by all means, show it.

        Who would you point fingers at if you purchased a game which subsequently got revoked? The publisher/developer or whoever sold you the game?

        The problem is they've had the game for a bit and it worked fine. The person who sold them the game has no way of revoking it so unless it didn't work from the get-go then it must have been the dev blocking them. Ergo, people will blame the dev. If however the key didn't work from the start (not the case) then yeah, they'd blame the seller.

        EDIT: It appears I responded too late. However I know that sellers aren't always hit with these requirements and can get through if they want. When was that article/talk released too?

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        Tacooo on 31/03/2017 - 13:53

        @Lysander:

        This post is for a particular deal. In this deal, the publishers are participating and have given their keys. By buying them you support the publishers and developers. Hence, any general hate for G2A really belongs to a different post.

        Fair enough. I was however just responding to the original post/s which was a derailment to begin with.

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        HomeAlone on 31/03/2017 - 13:56

        @potplanty:

        I can provide claims they've made where they apparently have upgraded security and fraud prevention on their site without providing proof. I can then provide actual proof they lied about it as a person went and tried selling a fake key a few minutes after that claim (not a real key at all, just some random letters) and it got listed on the market almost instantly without any fraud prevention checks or anything. Not even so much as an ID verification.

        Was this person ever able to withdraw the funds? No!

        As for actual proof of them improving their site and whatnot, no I can't as there literally is no proof of it that I'm aware of. If however you actually have some (as you claim) then by all means, show it.

        See my comment above.

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        Tacooo on 31/03/2017 - 14:02

        @kamoi:

        Was this person ever able to withdraw the funds? No!

        This was before their name started getting smeared and they implemented that policy. He also didn't withdraw it as to be able to refund the person who got the fake key which was understanable. To be honest, I hadn't seen that policy update anywhere and didn't know it existed. I'd like verification from someone who uses it that it is actually what happens though. Especially for new users and people selling large batches.

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        HomeAlone on 31/03/2017 - 15:15

        @potplanty:

        This was before their name started getting smeared and they implemented that policy.

        They've always had a policy on holding funds.

        He also didn't withdraw it as to be able to refund the person who got the fake key which was understanable.

        That's not how it works. A seller on G2A can't just go and issue a refund like that. The buyer needs to first open a case in the resolution centre. Only at this point can the seller issue a refund. If you bought a key on G2A and it didn't work, would you immediately open a case or would you let 14 days pass?

        The seller would have never had the opportunity to access those funds unless the buyer just didn't care enough to open a case.

        To be honest, I hadn't seen that policy update anywhere and didn't know it existed.

        It used to be 7 days. I can't remember exactly when, but somewhere late 2015 around October/November it was increased from 7 to 14 days.

        Existing verified accounts from before the change still have the 7 day hold, while any new accounts since then have a 14 day hold.

        I'd like verification from someone who uses it that it is actually what happens though. Especially for new users and people selling large batches.

        My account is from before the increase so I only have a 7 day hold. http://i.imgur.com/FOEfhfh.png

        If you go to register your own account you'll find that yours will show 14 days.

        The article you refer to is mostly just sensationalist journalism.

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  PlayDis on 31/03/2017 - 08:41

  Woops forgot to cancel my subscription from the previous deal.
  Well at least I will get an extra game (Planar Conquest) for staying sub.

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  User123321 on 31/03/2017 - 11:03

  +4

  You know whats great about OZbargain i don't care where it comes from i don't care if they screw over developers because developers screw over consumers all the time especially the larger 1's like EA / Activision etc so yeah i don't care i just wanna get the cheapest price for what most developers are now making (Shitty products) unfinished buggy and if that's not rubbish enough they sell there games in beta and they sell off season passes for stuff that should of been in the final game to begin with they deliberately leave out content to sell it off as DLC and they add in ingame transactions and they put dodgy drms and force us to use stuff like origin and uplay when a lot of people don't want to use it

  TL:DR

  Developers screw us over so who cares about screwing them over mutual respect go for the lowest price regardless where its from G2A is a great store because it saves consumers money this site is (Ozbargain not (Ozmoralvalues)

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    Tacooo on 31/03/2017 - 12:13

    -1

    because developers screw over consumers all the time

    Not all developers, in fact most don't come close

    especially the larger 1's like EA / Activision

    Oh so I suppose you're only buying larger companies' titles on G2A while supporting the little companies properly? No? Thought so.

    for what most developers are now making (Shitty products) unfinished buggy

    You just said yourself not all developers are making shit products but you're happy to keep (profanity) the ones that don't?

    if that's not rubbish enough they sell there games in beta and they sell off season passes

    Which you have absolutely no obligation to buy.

    force us to use stuff like origin and uplay

    So they're not allowed to choose their own distribution method and platforms now? They have to abide by what you want?

    Developers screw us over so who cares about screwing them over

    The people who want to see these developers continue to make games and not go bankrupt or just stop development altogether. Y'know, real gamers.

    TL;DR your point is shit

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      User123321 on 31/03/2017 - 12:28

      1.I said developers not all of them screw us over all the time

      2.I buy most of my games from wherever has the cheapest price do you go into jb hi fi and say oh X-men is on sale for $50 but eb games has it for $90 im going to go buy it from eb games becuase i support the developer ? if you do then you're an idiot and if you don't then you're a hypocrite choose :)

      3.I'm happy to purchase from whoever gives me the best price because the money is still going to the developer if i didn't want to support developers i would pirate there games which isn't a hard thing to do

      4.The point isn't about if i have a choice the point is prior to all this a game would be made complete with everything you pay a 1 off price and you get everything now developers withhold content and flog it off as downloadable content / in some games they put in game transactions which are pay to win e.g For Honor where you can buy your gear yes you can argue some games modes don't use the gear but you can still pay to get an advantage don't mean you will win vs someone who is a lot better but you get stuff a lot faster and if you're not terrible you have a clear advantage the other problem is they sell of season passes then delay dlc so long that most ppl don't even play most of the content

      5.The reason companies are choosing there own "Distribution" method now is because they are trying to cash in on the market like steam has there's a reason you have a Origin Store and Uplay Store with exclusive deals to promote you using there rubbish software over others its about control of the market forcing consumers to use there shit if it wasn't then why not allow me to buy the newest battlefield on steam as well as origin ?

      6.I'm quite sure people who enjoy a certain game will buy that game legally and if they buy that game legally then they are helping the developer companies usually go bankrupt from making rubbish games not people buying the game cheaper lol you seem to think G2A are selling stolen goods perhaps you should contact the appropriate law enforcement and make a complaint because bitching on ozbargain won't fix the imaginary problem you think exists

      TL:DR
      I destroyed you're entire argument now if you'll excuse me i have some games to buy from G2A for great prices peace

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        Tacooo on 31/03/2017 - 12:42

        1. "because developers screw over consumers all the time especially the larger 1's like EA / Activision etc" insinuates that all developers do it.

        2. No, because the retailer already bought the game (legally and in full) from the developers. The developer already have their money and it doesn't matter what price the retailer sell it for because they're not going to get charged back because the retailer didn't buy it with stolen credit cards.

        3. If the keys are stolen and sold on G2A the money doesn't go to the dev. They actually lose money when the bank does a charge back. They end up with less money than if they had never sold that key at all.

        4. Industries change. The way products are distributed and what is included in them changes. If the consumer is willing to shill out for it then the industry will keep pushing that.

        5. And that's their own prerogative. If they want to put it on their own platform they're allowed.

        6. I literally can't respond. The fact that you didn't use a single bit of punctuation has made that entire thing unreadable.

        TL;DR no you didn't. You just made shit arguments (half of which don't apply/don't make sense) and then walked off.

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        User123321 on 31/03/2017 - 12:46

        @potplanty:

        2.

        3.

        Provide proof and if proof is provided explain how its G2A's fault no different to ebay / gumtree and other various sites

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        Tacooo on 31/03/2017 - 13:39

        @User1488: What kind of proof do you want? You want me to go find the purchase orders for these keys and send them to you? Should I phone the banks and have them confirm the transactions are fraudulent before getting a log of the conversation and forwarding it to you? Don't be ridiculous.

        You also only touched on two of my six rebuttals. Not even with anything good.

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        User123321 on 31/03/2017 - 13:54

        @potplanty:

        You link above to Lysander your Proof 2 websites i read both of them and commented on the post above do your reading there might be stolen keys on g2a but g2a itself does not condone the practice and has openely condemned it as well as tried to rectify the issue ? i even linked parts of the site as well as links supporting what i said

        I only touched on 2 of your six rebuttals because the rest of them are a waste of time and im not arguing for the sake of it you're wrong about G2A your right about stolen keys they don't go hand in hand

        TL:DR

        G2A = Does not support stolen keys and outright condemns it and has taken steps to try to prevent it as well as working with developers to ban keys

        (FACT) Proof - https://twitter.com/IndieGameStand/status/713334146521767936

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        Tacooo on 31/03/2017 - 13:59

        @User1488: Firstly, use punctuation. This is getting unbearable.

        You link above to Lysander your Proof 2 websites

        I linked two websites that have devs claiming to be ripped off by G2A. That has no proof that charge backs occurred and I obviously have no proof of charge backs to a foreign company I have zero relation too. But it's a common fact that charge backs occur and the original seller bears the cost of them.

        TL;DR apparently G2A started to give a shit when their crap became more public and their name started getting smeared everywhere. They never seemed to care before that.

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        User123321 on 31/03/2017 - 14:01

        @potplanty:

        Glad you accept they care and have openely attempted to rectify issues end of discussion

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  Raynes on 31/03/2017 - 12:59

  +3

  ^^^ the most in-depth debate I've seen on this site

  A N G E R Y reacts only

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  SrMoure on 02/04/2017 - 23:13

  are these games any good for this price?

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    SnowDragon on 05/04/2017 - 12:51

    Some of the indie ones look ok for a laugh. I think even Dirt by itself is worth the price.

    It's not as good as 2 or 3, but still retailed for $30 USD I think.

    You can't really go wrong when paying $1 for each game.