Hi everyone need advice on buying a new car.
Kia Cerato base model with Av pack or new Honda Civic Vti.
Please help compare pros and cons. Anyone who owns these cars your advice would help a lot as well.
Also, I have got a quote for Kia with Av pack $20,500 and for Honda $23,000 driveaway with mats and full tank of fuel with both.
How is the maintenance compared for these 2 cars as well?
Has anyone bought these cars and had better deals?
Thanks heaps in advance to all.
No worries, I'm in Brisbane, but when I come down to Sydney I'll take it for a day trip up in the blue mountains ok?
Both excellent cars. Cheap parts. Get a slightly used one. You really can't go wrong.
I just received a message that the dealer has one car that he can make it for 22k driveaway.
What do u guys say now considering the gap has reduced on terms of money…
Are we comparing apples to apples?
Important info to have
It is new and 2017 model. I confirmed..
If you go for a second hand car, you could probably get a better model at around the same price point.
The new model is not available much yet as second hand on market
Its like saving $1000-1500 on a 2016 model with low km on them
What benefits do you get from a newer model vs 2015?
A 2015 Kia can be had for 15k or a 2015 toyota camry for 16500-17000 since you are going for space. (I posted this cerato vs camry a month back and went with the camry)
If I were in your price range and trying to maximize value I would just stick to under 20K and get the Kia (I prefer near-new/near-used but I do see some benefits of getting brand new). You'd have to REALLY REALLY like the Honda to even consider it because you could just as easily save 2-3k with a used car compared to spending 2-3k more for the Civic.
I think Kia comes with 7 year warranty while Honda only has 3 or 5 year warranty
Good point to consider but with a car like the Honda, if it is maintained properly, you should have no problems. BTW… i'm pro both cars.
Honda👍🏾
If you choose the honda.. Wait for the hatch like i am. Its release is in a few weeks. Boot space basically doubles. Its more roomy its looks ALOT better…and yeah.. Thats about it
Just noticed that kia has started a gift card for $777 as well:)
^^^^ top contender for moronic comment of the month
Month?
Year!
I own a Kia Cerato Hatch (MY17) 2016 Build. I got the A/T (same price as manual), metallic paint, AV pack, genuine mats for $19,400 drive away. Keep in mind this is the updated/facelifted version and not an 'all new' version. In terms of the exterior, the front headlights and grill have changed quite significantly, and look way better imho than the previous model, but the rest of the car is 99% the same. The interior has had very minor changes, but the engine, as some others have noted, has gone from a 1.8 to a 2.0. However, the new version is an MPI engine, whereas the previous one is a GDI. I've heard some people say that in terms of overall performance, the GDI is generally better. I can't comment on this. Overall, I really like the car. For the price I paid, I reckon it's very good value, especially with the 7-year warranty. However, it does have several downsides. The joint where the front windscreen meets the ceiling is designed very poorly. The styrofoam can start to make creaking noises when going over bigger bumps. The fuel consumption is relatively high as well. I can get it down to about 6.8L/100kms at best (freeway), but it can easily go over 9.0 if driven with some enthusiasm. The panels on the car seem to be weak too. I pushed the door panel with medium force with my hand and it made a shallow but noticeable dent on it. Noise insulation is a bit of an issue too as it can get a little noisy when driving at max legal speed. Apart from these issue, so far it's been great.
I m bit worried now after hearing some of your issues.
MPI can be seen as an advantage in some circumstances. GDI engines can suffer from carbon build up on their intake valves which can sap power from the engine - particularly if the car has poorly designed PCV system. Fuel economy will suffer too. This can cause serious issues, especially in turbo cars, if not remedied. Preventative measures, such as using a can of upper engine cleaner before an oil change, can help keep carbon deposits at a minimum. Some manufacturers, like BMW for example, have even deployed walnut blasters to service centers for valve cleaning.
I've got a Cerato S AV hatch My17. Replaced the 2015 model which was written off. Both great but new model better. Better fuel economy, better interior finishes. Highly recommend.
I personally own a kia cerato my15 and I like the car. Stock tyres are horrible but I would take the kia over the Honda hands down. The Honda is not even made in Japan anymore. I have also heard of alot of defects from the new Hondas. The Kia is nearly a hyundai i30 the price difference is the interior plus it looks better. Obviously it depends on how often you drive where you drive when you think you are going to sell the car.
got a 2013 Kia Cerato and 2015 Sorento and never had any problems with them..
you can get free roadside assistance with the Kia too for up to 7 years as long as you get it serviced at an authorised Kia dealer
Just noticed that Honda vti does not even come with rear passenger power
windows and no rear parking sensors.
Hand crank for the rear window? Maybe Honda is partying like it's 1999.
And yes the Honda civic vti does have rear passenger power windows. I actually work at honda in melbourne call me maybe we can do ozbargain mates rates?
As mentioned before I have got a quote for 22k brand new. Can you do it a better deal. Will buy it this week.
Can u private message me? What colour was ur preference?
I am inclining towards kia cerato a bit now specially with $777 eftpos card..
Not eftpos. "at the time of purchase of the vehicle and the amount of $777 will be deducted from the ultimate negotiated purchase price of the vehicle"
3) The 7 Day Sale $777 Gift Card offer can be claimed in addition to current Kia retail offers. $777 Gift Card available on new Kia vehicles purchased between 20-26 March. Vehicles must be delivered by 31 March 2017. The Gift Card is only redeemable against the purchase of a new Kia vehicle and must be presented to a Kia dealer (acting as agent for Kia Motors Australia Pty Ltd for this specific purpose) at the time of purchase of the vehicle and the amount of $777 will be deducted from the ultimate negotiated purchase price of the vehicle. The Gift Card may not be used to pay any other person or for any other purpose. Gift Card redemption form can be printed from www.kia.com.au/giftcardoffer or available at the participating Kia dealer. Private buyers only. Kia reserves the right to change, supersede or extend these offers.
Two of the best cars in the market at that price level… good luck choosing.
Servicing would be cheaper with Cerato and they have a great reputation, knocking Corolla off its perch??
That being said… the Honda is a fine car also.
Drive both and have a good look over both then decide… I would be happy with either.
Full tank of fuel is worth maybe $50? Completely irrelevant when the salesman mentions it.
Ceratos sell very well while Civic sales have been anemic over the past few years. The Honda is a desirable vehicle with more 'wow' factor, but somehow people are not buying into it. KIA's 15k km service interval and 7 year warranty has to be a nice carrot, apart from the lower purchase price. Do you like the feel of the Civic's CVT auto versus the traditional unit in the Cerato?
Have you considered an i30 with auto for $20k driveaway?
Would you care where your car is manufactured? All Honda Civics are made in Thailand and it has been like that since 200 (hatches were made in the UK up until the upcoming model)
In fact, most of Japanese cars are made in Thailand (I know Toyota and Suzuki are still made in Japan)
And Subaru is still full made in Japan.
I just went for a test drive today and was told same by the salesman that they r made in thailand now and some in England.
We bought the Kia cerato av in September and have been very happy with it. The way the Bluetooth works could be improved but everything else is awesome for the price.
Kia Cerato is a nugget, the price will depreciate by 50% the moment you drive out of the dealership.
I wish I could find near new Kia Ceratos for 10k.
If Kias depreciated by 50% and still had warranty after 7 years, nobody would be buying brand new <small cars or even used cars of any brand.
Rubbish!
Check the industry guides, and see that by "nugget" you mean the Cerato is gold.
wishful thinking, lol
Wheels just did comparison on all the cars in that class.
Here is the ranking on some of the cars from memory
1) Golf (No surprise there)
2) New Astra
3) Subaru impreza
4 or 5) Mazda 3
6)corolla
7)Civic
last 10)Kia cerato S
Narrow down to 3 or 4 cars and test drive and get what you will enjoy to drive not what is $1000 cheaper.
I test drove every single model and hands down have taken the Golf….but new impreza, astra and mazda are excellent cars too.
New Astra, Focus and Golf and top of the line civic are all turbo charged and have much better torque delivery. Corolla would be reliable and safe bet in long term if you are not passionate about cars.
Good Luck
I wish Toyota was passionate about their cars. Whatever happened to the likes of Corolla GTIs/SX/Sportivos? Back in the days where, if you bought the top-end sports Corolla, it actually had sport components. Very boring, uninspiring cars these days.
here's the latest nrma
Winner: Kia Cerato S
Second: Ford Focus Trend
Third: Mazda3 Maxx
Is that comparison online, or just on the shelves or to subscribers? My googling found 2 Wheels reviews saying the MY17 Cerato is a good thing. Including this one having it as number one for value.
https://www.wheelsmag.com.au/wheels-gold-star-value-awards/1…
I'm interested to see their criteria as other comparisons are consistently rating the Kia very well.
When they say "value" they mean the cheapest car to buy, run, insure, with highest reliability, resale… things like driveability desirability is last or the Audi A3 or VW Golf would win every time.
I have no illusions that the Cerato probably fails in these 'intangibles' but hell, you're buying a cheap $20k runner, not a sports car.
To me its a no brainer, 7 yr vs 3 yrs on the Honda. Just no comparison.
Plus add to that the very low tech low power SOHC 1.8 in the Honda and the CVT. No way in the hell I'd pick the Honda.
I own a MY 15 , just love it , i get 5.6L on highway around 9L in town—- no squeaks or rattles
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I would buy a Corolla for reliability, capped price servicing for a few years, similar price to the Honda you are considering.
One would go crazy choosing a car from this segment.. endless options.. +$500 and you get this, +1500 you get that, -$1000 you still have this but lose those..
If i was looking to buy a small car I'd check out the ageing Holden Cruze. Its a solid car. Yes you read about the horror stories of the early builds but these are all sorted out now. Its a great little car
Given my experience with a 2011 Cruze, and with Holden mechanics, I wouldn't buy one to save my life.
I would like to express my strong disagreement with this statement. A 2012 Cruze which I got well below market value, under factory warranty at time of purchase and sale cost me almost 10k for one year of displeasurable ownership.
I doubt a brand new car would have cost me that much to own (plus i feel it was a shit car to drive and an eye sore -but I guess that's my opinion rather than fact).
If you are looking for something cheap, reliable, reasonably fun to drive, get the aging Lancer in a manual… don't pay more than 16500. You can get one for less if u try.
I own the Kia Cerato Hatch 2013 model, have no complaints, have never had any issue with it (45,000km). Included 5 years warranty and roadside assist at the time, believe that it is 7 years warranty now.
Hi, picked up a new Kia Cerato late last year. It's been a happy / zippy little thing. No regrets.
I also seem to notice a hell of a lot of them on the road, so I figure once the 7 year servicing warranty thing runs out there should be plenty of spare parts? :)
My heart tells me the Honda but my wallet says the Kia.
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Haven't read all the posts, but what's wrong with Corolla or Mazda 3?
The entry level Mazda 3s look great on the outside, but are sorely outdated on the inside, IMO. And more expensive to boot.
Just grab a 2016 runout model, should be within the OP's price range.
Corollas are a little bit flaccid these days…
So are Ceratos and Civics.
I would test drive both cars if you haven't - and pick what is the most enjoyable and comfortable to ride.
If i could redo my purchase it would be based on comfort. I now realize my new car is quite loud, harsh, rattly and firm in suspension and wish it wasn't. If they are both equal in that regard i would defs get the Kia. They look better IMO, cheaper to buy and maintain.
Bought the MY17 YD Cerato S Sedan last year. We got them to throw in "premium" paint and the AV pack - worth $1K - for free, so $20K all up. I'm not sure if we could have gotten a better deal - it took a shit load of haggling to get it down that much - but my partner and I were happy with the price. Gotta say - very impressed. You get a lot of car in this entry level price-range - and it actually looks good! Drives really well, doesn't feel underpowered for normal city/highway driving. Comfortable with a surprisingly large boot (with rear seats that properly fold down), and a good slew of features (reverse camera, front/rear sensors etc). The 7 year, unlimited KM warranty with fixed price servicing is fantastic for piece of mind. Can't say I know much about the Civic, but I can't really fault the Cerato - amazing bang for your buck.
I would say you could have gotten a better deal. Not trying to brag but I paid $19,400 for mine with the same extras as yours plus original mats. I didn't have to negotiate too hard either. I reckon it's possible to bring it down to $19k with the right set of circumstances and skills. Having said that, even at $20k, I reckon it's a great buy.
We haggled for nearly an hour to get that price - I don't think we could have got an extra $700-$1000 off with that dealer/that time of the year/month whatever other variables come into play. Plus, like you say it's still great value at 20K.
Great write up. I think the fixed price servicing is less than $2500 over 7 years for the Kia, so cost of ownership is low and an absolute known quantity. I've recently helped a relative select a Kia Cerato and came to the same conclusion. Nice drive, decent design and quality, great equipment levels, amazing bang for buck.
Had a trade in, so the top line price wasn't as much a factor as the bottom line change over which was satisfactory.
In addition to the factory mats, the boot lip protector mat was a worthwhile accessory we had included in the deal.
Im assuming your getting an auto here…
if so everyone is missing the biggest issue here…
The Honda has a CVT…transmission.. that lone should be the killer.
CVT is awfull look up the professional reviews on CVTS (dirv-ability and reliability) imo they should not allow these types of transmissions to be made.
The GFC (yes remember that) caused the Japanese to really pull pack on R&D and Honda felt it hard.. so they had to skimp on R&D.. and the transmission is one of them.
If this was a manual to manual comparison then things are a bit more even but at the moment the Kia has the edge.
I am a very long time Honda owner by the way, my sister purchased a 2014 cerato and has been fantastic ever since.
Honda civic new is only com9ng automatic.
My grandparents have owned a 2001 Hyundai Elantra hatch from new and it has been very reliable. Sure, a Korean car of that age is going to be fairly utilitarian, bland and a bit dull to drive, but I can't fault it even after 230,000kms. Still going strong. Only major fixes it has needed was a radiator and fuel pump. Interior wise only a vibration in the rear view mirror (since new) and a frayed driver-side seat belt (nothing that a quick trip to a wreckers and a few hours can't fix). Everything else has just kept ticking away. I know that this is not entirely relevant to your dilemma, but if a Korean car of this age has been reliable and relatively trouble-free, I'd have to say the latest ones must be leagues better. Nothing but impressed.
Fun fact: Hyundai owns a 33% stake in Kia.
EDIT: Would like to add that this car hasn't just been driven leisurely around town. It's been driven mostly on rural highways and back roads with plenty of rough spots by learners, P platers, and the like. It hasn't always been treated the best, but doesn't complain.
About those saying the OP needs to consider servicing costs. Don't get sucked into the maintenance and servicing 'caps' BS.
Most maintenance done for a car under 4 years/60k-80k k is really about oil/oil filter changes, checking other consumable levels/wear.
The quotes given by manufacturers/dealers are mostly rip offs if not absolute daylight robbery. E.g. replacing engine oil costs about $40 in oil (even less if you buy it yourself in 20L gallons or more and through those 30% off repco/autobarne sales, $20 for an oil filter an $1 for plug ring and that's 30 minutes labour. Checking other items take about 30 minutes (brake pads wear, fluid levels, lights/tyres, signs of leaks in engine/transmission/shock absorbers) including a quick 2 minute drive check around the block.
There's the administrative costs ~30 minutes tops between inventorying/ordering specific parts and billing.
So for the first 4 years you'll be looking at $150 per service max. Compare that with the ridiculous 'capping' of $2xx and a stupidly mandated service intervals that are oversevicing. What's that capping is all about!? If anything, the dealers should be able to do it cheaper than this because they usually carry the parts on hand, and the whole process is akin to fulfilling a fast food order.
BTW many dealer workshops subcontract the services to independent workshops around the area, so while the front end is for example Holden or Toyota, the backend is your average Joe mechanic who would be more than happy to sell the same service for what's it's really worth.
As for the choice between the Kia and Honda. Stick to Honda.
I agree dealer servicing is a rip off but you lost all credibility when claiming 'many dealer workshops subcontract the services to independent workshops around the area'.
Why pay another workshop $50/hr when you get an apprentice to do for $15/hr.
Have you worked in the industry to throw such a baseless accusation about my credibility?
I have worked many years ago, and the Holden dealer workshop down the road used to send cars to few mechanics in the area when it gets super busy. Our workshop wasn't directly contracted by them but we would get calls from one that was when they too were busy to carry the work.
Some other dealers in the area did the same - Peugeot, Toyota and Subaru.
The dealers made a nice profit on pure administrative work.
As for the apprentices, true that but you get what you pay for. The Toyota dealer workshop had so many that they approached the mechanic in our workshop with an offer which was well above the market rates - was difficult for them to find an experienced mechanic - too many mistakes and repairs gone wrong.
BTW many dealer workshops subcontract the services to independent workshops around the area, so while the front end is for example Holden or Toyota, the backend is your average Joe mechanic who would be more than happy to sell the same service for what's it's really worth.
Total bs statement… why would they even do that when they have full workshops designed for that purpose? Why give another company any level of profit margin out of the customer.
Just think about it for even a second and you'll realise that what you said makes no sense, and absolutely no business sense
And yes, I work in the industry and have been around a few dealerships.
Call it whatever you like, but it ain't BS.
When you have workshop that can handle 10 cars in/out, have booking for 10 - all 10 show up, except another comes in with a warranty issue, another occupying the hoist from yesterday because the wrong part was received, a third with the transmission out waiting on the courier with the clutch, then one or two of your mechanics decide to take a sickie all while those who had brought in your cars all expecting them to be ready by 4:30.
The icing on top comes around December when everyone decides to suddenly bring in their car thinking a quick fix will do, or that drop in who doesn't know what's going with the check engine light and he's mates with one of your workers. Ah the nightmare never ends.
And never forget those OEM parts/oil/software/consumables/injector cleaning machines/insert anything you like salesmen/women who drop in unexpectedly for a 'chat' that takes away precious minutes.
What kind of dealerships have you worked for? I worked very close to the CBD where it space was scarce - whether parking on the street or lot space, and demand was high.
Call it whatever you like, but it ain't BS.
We're obviously gonna disagree here if you can't see the lack of sense behind what you're saying, so there's zero point in me continuing as it's like arguing with a wall.
A dealership service department would rather put a job off for a day if they couldn't fit it in, than give it to some muppet down the road.
@Spackbace: Not all dealerships are the same. I did not say ALL dealerships nor did I insinuate that. You're generalising I am not.
From the ones I saw this happen first hand were 3 in the suburb where I was.
BTW many dealer workshops subcontract the services
many
Which as I said simply isn't the case, and makes zero sense.
Just some input about the Civic's engine
Pretty sure the Civic VTI (10th gen) still uses the same 1.8L (R18) as found in the 2006+ 8th Gen civic, could say its outdated being 11 years old but its an absolute cracker even in my 227k km 2008 Civic (manual) and with some mixed driving in morning traffic, afternoon packed 90kmh freeway back, it still gets 7-7.5L/100km (no joke).
The new civic would only get better fuel consumption as its now on its 3rd generation? (R18A1->A2->Z1). Also pretty sure they are all build in Thailand besides the 9th gen hatch (and 8th gen hatch) which was designed for the european market and possibly built in the UK?
No idea on the kia but reading CarAdvice's review I'd say the Honda is better (I may be bias but the Kia's interior doesn't look as appealing and the 2L seems to trail the outdated 2.0L NA engines in the Lancer and VW Golf V) and good luck living with a CVT, I despite them personally but can see the practicality :)
I've got the same car, kinda wish it had more torque down low. It's a bit lame having to shift gears at 4000+ to make the car go anywhere. People next to you think you're trying to race lol
ikr, no power until 4000rpm hits but theres just enough torque above 1500rpm in any gear to buzz around town slowly. I love the race-y high end of the engine that sounds happy to rev as compared to the Lancer's 2.0L 4B11 however some may find the sound intrusive.
Sorry i am not a knowledgeable person when it comes to cars. What is a CVT engine and what are we comparing it with?
CVT is a newer kind of auto transmission which uses a belt which slides smoothly according to your speed instead of 3 to 5 fixed gear ratios which change automatically. Older cars with standard auto were a bit clunky when they got old because the gear changes became somewhat more pronounced. CVTs are smooth but may feel lifeless for some. I have 3 vehicles, one with cvt, one with standard auto and one manual. They are all easy to drive. The manual is a Honda Jazz which is obviously the hardest to drive in traffic, but it is my preferred vehicle to drive when alone. The bigger cars are much safer when the whole family is travelling.
I was looking at cars for sale recently and made these observations:
1. Paper specs and looks are very deceiving. Take the car for a test drive, see if you can pick out any faults or things that annoy you. Look out for: Responsive and smooth acceleration, noises, vibration, good or poor vision. Sit in the rear seats - check for space, comfort roof height etc. Some cars have a huge hump on the floor for the driveshaft which look very dated and ugly.
Ultimately, make sure it fits your needs. Do you need anchors for baby seats, space for 5 adults, safety for family, sporty looks, comfort, pockets and storage for your drinks, food, phones etc.
My personal pick would still be Honda. Their cars have become somewhat mediocre, but when comparing cars, I still found more positives with the Hondas.
My friend got the new civic, excellent car, I'd also consider the new Subaru Impreza.
Honda has lost its way, in the past they made fantastic cars.
I know Honda can make great cars, but who knows today?
At least with the new NSX and Civic Type R (that Aust will get), it appears they haven't forgotten their past.
As a car enthusiast I wouldn't buy either for myself, but if making a recommendation for someone, I'd pick the Civic.
Kia 7 yr warranty and growing in sales and yearly service.
Honda 3 yr warranty declining in sales and 6 month service intervals.
Id know which 1 I'd pick 😀
Happy hunting.
There service intervals are every 10,000 kms each year but i will most likely do it in say 7 months or so.. yes u r right in that way.
It's every 10000 or 6 months, which ever is sooner with the Honda. If you don't stick to the schedule will enough you ultimately can void the warranty.
Servicing costs would be significantly cheaper with the Kia
The problem with asking about Cars on Ozbargain is that opinions from knowledgeable people are often lost in a sea of those that have never worked on a car or even driven anything but the one they currently own. My advice is to stop thinking about getting a "bargain" on all the useless features like infotainment/sensors you don't need or that can be added later, and buy the car that has a more enjoyable/dynamic drive. You are going to have this thing for quite a few years, so you don't want to end up with a sterile box on wheels that isn't going to hold any value.
You are going to have this thing for quite a few years, so you don't want to end up with a sterile box on wheels that isn't going to hold any value.
That's the thing, just based off comments on here you can easily tell you takes pleasure in the car they drive vs those who buy it from A-B. The world will always be full of this divide between people.
I had another test drive of Honda and it feels comfortable. I am still in negotiations with the dealer as he has already said any color i want i can get.
and it feels comfortable.
Drive the 2 cars head to head, same day. Whichever drives nicer, just go for it. There's only so far that having lists can help you, now that it's between the 2, let your heart decide.
Which car do you prefer driving and feel more comfortable in?
When you have an to that question, buy it.
Plus the honda mats and a boot liner apart from inclusions on offer.
Go with the Honda
Hi guys i think I am going with Honda.
But how do you guys feel about space saver tyres. Has anyone had to use one in emergency and last ony 80km or so…
So every time one would have a puncture and are far away then it would not only cost $30 or so to fix flat tyre but then replace space tyre as well..
What if you r on a long drive on a weekend and then u have a flat tyre.. what do ppl do who travel fair bit?
Space saver can goes as far as you need it to but at 80kph max. It's designed to get you to somewhere to fix the tyre.
It most certainly has more than 80kms of tread though, I think you've been confused by the 80kph sticker on it
Yes i was. Thanks for clarification.
"80kms of thread"
:D
I have the honda civic vti lx bit of a different car from the vti. But its one heck of a beautiful car. My one has the newer turbo 1.5 though
I like that too but a bit out of budget. How much did u pay if you dont mind me asking.
Paid 35,300 with free car mats and a rear spoiler added
Go the Honda. No comparison in build quality IMHO. I had a kia in WA as a hire car and it felt terrible on the highway and the road noise was extremely noticeable as well.
Drive both cars and see how they feel on the road.
Try Hyundai…it will fit in your budget and way better than Kia or Honda for the money you pay.
Nope, I'm actually a single mum who surprisingly still has a little trust in my heart despite everything.