Hi everyone need advice on buying a new car.
Kia Cerato base model with Av pack or new Honda Civic Vti.
Please help compare pros and cons. Anyone who owns these cars your advice would help a lot as well.
Also, I have got a quote for Kia with Av pack $20,500 and for Honda $23,000 driveaway with mats and full tank of fuel with both.
How is the maintenance compared for these 2 cars as well?
Has anyone bought these cars and had better deals?
Thanks heaps in advance to all.
agree with this. Particularly if you are concerned about resale value then going used is always a wise move. ANy reason you want to get a brand new?
Any reason you want to get a brand new and lose 15% of its value the minute you drive out the salesroom door?
It's the new feeling.
The shake hands with the dealer, the choosing colours, add ons, the plates, etc. You can't get the right used car at the right colour at the right configuration, at the right condition, with low km.
Oh and the new car smell, itself worth 15%. :)
I know and i was looking for a used or a demo model but because ita has just launched like 6 months ago there is not much available.
I rang some dealers with demo models with less than 5000km on them but would not reduce it any less than 22k.
IMO, people who buys new cars doesn't really belong at OZBargain.
Why would you want to pay dealer delivery charges, stamp duty, gst, etc all fees and charges when you would pay much less for the same car if you wait for a few years? Let some other fool who has more money than their sense to pay for all the above costs and depreciations.
IMO, the best bang for your buck used car is a 4-5 year-old Japanese car.
CMIIW, I'm pretty sure we pay stamp duty on new and used car purchases. Unless things have changed lately?
No one likes paying extra taxes, including me. If I could minimize it (by buying used cars) I'd do it as long as it's legal and I pay my fair share.
Must be financial advice from Westpac
Op prefers virgins
@Gorodemon: that's what I thought, but every so often, I see posts here of people seeking advice on buying new BMWs etc
Because everybody doesn't have the same taste? You look at the list of options, then look at the cars sitting on the dealer lot (which most people buy so thus that's what's generally available used or not) and see that they have maybe one option out of 20, a neutral colour and standard black interior. As a car person, I can't abide by this, it's more personal to me, and it should be considering its the second largest purchase of our lives after buying a house, I damned well better be happy with it and factory ordering a car how I want it is how I get that and worth the hit for a possible 10 years of enjoyment.
There are some things for everybody that simply can't be compromised. Like toilet paper, 4-ply or nothing.
@Gorodemon:
Wow you're quite judgmental. Perhaps you've never considered that some people buy new because of safety reasons as there are things in life more important than money. It depends on so much more than your own driving skills like other drivers and sometimes just plain bad luck.
Been through all this before… yawn… NEW does have its benefits..
New.. Full 12 months rego and CTP included in drive away price.. Used might just have a few months.. who knows?
New… Tyres, battery, brakes, etc are all new and not abused.
New has FULL warranty period.
Used… you will have to pay rego transfer fee and most likely only get a part year rego/ctp.
Used… You have no idea what the previous owner has done to it and also most likely parked outside 24/7.
The used car is already ? years old… so check the wholesale price before you jump in.
You can usually score a better trade in price for new…. "usually"… if you know how to approach it.
Used can be worthwhile but only at a real value price level… strike the right deal and new can be the better option.
All cars depreciate. A used car at a dealership will definitely depreciate the minute you drive it out also… FACT.
Just do your homework before you sign.
The linked $15,888 deal is an 'executive driven' vehicle. A demo. A free car to thrash for the salespeople. This has to come into consideration when looking at an 'executive' car.
I like the title 'executive driven', lets see how this little beauty drives off road on the weekend trips away before we flog it off to some poor old sod…. then again its pot luck ain't it… you really don't know with used!!!
When last have you seen an executive drive a Kia Cerato?
@lddv04: It's a euphemism. Just like "Executive" range cars were the lowest available (Mitsubishi Magna, Holden Commodore), an 'executive' vehicle means the car that gets thrashed on weekends by the salespeople. It sounds much nicer than 'daily driver for the salesman, borrowed by the mechanic sometimes'.
Get Kia Cerato. Has got great review and Kia service is pretty good.
Compare your maintenance costs for the first 3 years. Information should be available online or with the dealer.
I'd choose a Honda over a Kia. Kia is certainly great these days and nothing majorly wrong with them at all. But Honda have just been doing it better for so much longer.
depends how long you want to keep it
i know which once i want at the 3yr mark and its not the honda
also the honda has an engine deficit in comparison to the kia
I know 2l as oppose to 1.8l which makes difference.
How's the weight difference or even kw/kg difference?
Engine size isn't everything.
Kia has the more kw/kg, and more torque.
Read into that what you will though.
Does the Kia have Vtec? Pffft!
VTEC just kicked in YO
Isn't Honda still ripping off it's customers with unnecessarly short 6 month service intervals?
i think people have been saying that about japanese brands being around for ages and korean brands being newer for about 20 years now so that logic doesn't apply.
Go back 30 years and people were saying the same thing about american/european vs japanese.
I think the Korean manufactures have enough experience in there belt for this to no longer be considered an issue. They have been on the road long enough for people to also see what the durability is like. SO I think you can make an informed decision rather than just blindly going with whoever has been making cars for the longest.
I'm not so sure.
Japanese cars are very famous for their never die and always reliable reputation.
European cars, until today still not as reliable. There is always something broken within and outside warranty.
You would think after so many years they can learn something, but they didn't.
Maybe you are right, but Korean only go so far as 2010ish when kia optima lead by the Audi designer. That isn't a very long time.
I'm not saying the Japanese cars aren't better. I just thing if you keep saying Japanese makers have more experience than Koreans at some point you will miss out.
$23k driveaway for the VTi is a pretty good deal. I bought my 2016 VTi the week it was released for $25k driveaway with full tank and mats (a few dealers didn't even budge off the RRP because it just released). A few people I know who got the same car around the same time also only managed to get it down to around the $24-$25k mark.
Servicing for mine are:
1. First 1000k's free
2. Subsequent services every 10,000 k's or 1 year after the previous service, whichever comes first. Base servicing is capped at $284, but there are additional costs for replacing specific parts every x amount of months/km's.
Also an extra 2 years of warranty is provided if I get mine serviced at the dealer I bought the car from (or its other chain-owned dealerships). If I get it done elsewhere it voids the extra warranty.
No issues to report so far (after purchase and after first service), except the onboard computer/infotainment system is a bit buggy and can be improved.
What do u find in onboard computer?
Also does it come with a spare wheel? What other accessories i can ask to be thrown in?
Some bugs I have come across so far:
- reverse camera guidelines don't load instantly during start up (camera will work but no guidelines are shown on screen)
- home screen apps/widgets reset positions
- volume controls not responding
Also - spare wheel is included. I don't think there are any rules when it comes to trying to throw in a few extras. I have seen people negotiating things like:
- extra warranty
- streamlined plates
- cargo net
- boot tray
- mud guards
- bootlip protector etc
Thanks will try and see if some more accessories can be negotiated.
Does Vti come with rear parking sensors or just the rear camera? Thanks
No sensors, just reverse camera + guidelines. I'm actually quite impressed with the camera because the guidelines are not static ie. they move in line with the steering wheel; you can also toggle the camera view in 3 modes - standard, wide angle view, and top-down.
IMO the camera is good enough for me to not require parking sensors unless in very tight spaces (provided you are also a competent driver lol).
Also an extra 2 years of warranty is provided if I get mine serviced at the dealer I bought the car from (or its other chain-owned dealerships).
Won't be a factory warranty just fyi… Very limited
Yep this is as per my understanding. At least I'd have the comfort in knowing that the parts they use are genuine and direct from factory, so I'm not too fussed.
Ohh really. Didn't know that.
All 'warranties' are insurance policies these days, even the ones that call themselves 'manufacturer's' warranties.
The extended warranties offered by dealers if you service with them have limited cover and you must check what is and is not included, as some of the limitations are significant.
Mats and fuel is standard with all cars so don't think it's a deal when they offer it.
Go with the Honda, you'll get a much better trade in years down the track and servicing is fixed at a good price.
It looks better too.
Mats and fuel is standard with all cars so don't think it's a deal when they offer it.
If you don't ask for mats, you won't get them. Regardless of how easy they might be to include on a deal, there's a reason they're an 'accessory'… They don't automatically come standard
Maybe I'm lucky, I have never, ever asked for mats but have always got them when picking up the car.( I'm thinking about our last 3 cars, can't remember before that)
Last car was Renault and both them and Nissan said mats were standard. ( plus we got a hats and umbrellas in the boot that we noticed when we got home.)
Also usually get a big bunch of flowers and balloons tied on the car… all makes a good impression.
Wow, you're a car salesperson's dream.
As long as I get balloons, I'm happy.
If you just ask for mats, you may get cheapomats, ask for genuine brand fitted mats
Lol I love how you even have to specify that the mat has to be genuine
@montorola: Melbourne City Hyundai got me 8 years ago.. I'll never forget! Eventually got the genuine ones from eBay :)
@jaybot: Happened to me at a Toyota dealership when I negotiated the car purchase for my mum at 16 years of age. I made a big deal out of it and refused to take delivery of the car. They fixed it up on the spot :D
Bought 3 new cars since then always say Genuine XYZ Mats, Seat covers etc.
Honda having better trade value is false economy, Honda service pricing is much higher than Kia.
I disagree. My local mechanic is extremely reasonable.
local mechanic? I'm not talking about 10 year old Honda with a local mechanic
Log book service of Kia service is every 1 yr 15k vs Honda 1 yr 10k.
@boomramada: my honda isn't 10 years old and my local mechanic is qualified to service brand new cars too! Go figure!
If you're talking about service intervals, the difference doesn't really equate to being "much higher", besides, he would still be driving a higher quality car. You're talking Honda vs Kia. I'd always go Japanese over Korean.
Then there's resale value. Big difference in resale between the two.
I'm comparing apple vs apple here, if you take your Kia to local mechanic, it would be even more cheaper.
Honda used to good, now its same quality as any other import but bit over priced.
Then again Honda Civic 15 years ago around 35k plus for basic model, now 23k.
Only good thing in Honda service is that they use their Honda brand oil, apparently they are better in quality, not sure now tho.
To start, its almost 3k overpriced for standard model, then expensive service, expensive spare parts. So after 10 year down the track your 23k car would be 12k and your 20k car would be 10k. Plus only Honda accord made in Japan?
My only argument is toward the better trade value is false economy. Maybe you could sell it faster, as less of them around. Then again tons of Toyota's around, they sell faster than either Honda or Kia, go figure.
@boomramada: I see where you're coming from. I would argue that honda and Toyota and both far better quality than kia across the board. Expensive parts is subjective and really a myth. Hondas seem to nor break down anywhere near as often as kia and the components last a lot longer. I've had lots of Hondas in my life and we have a Honda and a Mazda today. I would say they are both quality although my Mazda is made in Japan and my crv in Thailand. That said, I did a lot of research before I bought the crv and we also looked at the kia sportage. I spoke to various mechanics who all said to avoid Kia and oddly enough, Volkswagen Tiguan. They said they habe expensive problems. We've had zero issues.
The price of the cars is not really an indication of quality because lots has changed since 15 years ago in Australian car pricing. Besides, 3 grand is nothing in the grand scheme of things, especially if it buys reliability.
I don't know, this is a personal thing I guess. It's an interesting conversation though. I'd be keen to see what the OP ends up buying.
Thanks all for the input. Just to mention that looking in to Kia cerato sedan.
Kia 2015 is a 1.8l engine compared to 2l with new one and some improvements and then I kind of lose more than 2 years of warranty which makes kia 5yr remaining warranty compared to Honda 3 plus 2 yr additional.
I know that Honda is bigger in size and has a bit more room as this would be used as a main car and will be kept for good 6-7 years easy if in good shape. I have one son and his pram to go in the pram as well.
I had test drive both where Honda feels a bit sporty whereas Kia had a nice family drive feel. Honda is also giving free roadside assistance and $500 accessories.
My only concerns is one resale value of Kia as oppose to Honda and other maintenance to compare.
Spending $3k upfront now for better resale is pointless. Who buys a car for resale. Buy the car you love not the car which will give you a few more dollars in the future.
The Kia will still be under warranty in 6 years time where as the Honda wouldn't. I'd dare say the Kia will have a better resale as a result.
Not sure where the civic is made but I've always found Thai built Hondas to be poorly built based on my own family members cars. The Japanese models seem much better.
Hi Binny which state do u live in?
I m in Victoria
I think Honda Vti does not come with front sensors but only rear if i m not wrong. Does it come with rear camera?
Kia service is every 1 yr 15k or Honda 1 yr 10k. I will be doing 15k easy every year, so that would make service schedule freqency go up as well..
The Kia is the safer bet. You mentioned keeping the car for 6-7 years and performing high kilometres. You will be fully covered under Kia's manufacturer warranty for the entire of your ownership.
Kia has 7 Years unlimited KM warranty. Honda has 3 Years/100,000km warranty.
Kia Cerato won the Australia's Best Cars award, for small car under $35000. Against a field of 15 cars.
- 1st = Kia Cerato
- 2nd = Ford Focus
- 3rd = Mazda3
- 4th = Holden Astra
- 5th = Hyundai Elantra
- 6th = Honda Civic
62 points separates the top 10 list.
Ford focus and Holden Astra in the top 4?
Can any ozbargainers who own one of these cars comment?
That what I thought! Government probably paid for that to!
My family used to own Opel Astra back in 2012, it was a very nice car. Certainly felt better than Ford Focus and Mazda 3 at that time.
However, at the age of 2 years had to change Xenon lights, it was a massive PITA. You literally need to disassemble the front bumper to change the light bulb.
Exact what I've thought.
Unfortunately the reviews doesn't factor in the long term prospects of the car.
Toyota has had recalls but u still see cars from the 90s with high kms on the streets.
The Astra is in the top 6? I doubt the credibility of whomever came up with this list. Holden are unreliable and the Astra is a basket case!
Which one do you like driving the most? Get that one.
You can't really go wrong with either.
If you can stretch your budget, I'd go for a civil vti-s which has more standard options.
It is an extra 3k which i cant justify as I can get that with Kia for $20,500 compared to honda 26k.
Although i get less boot space and a little less space inside with Kia.
My son bought a new base model Honda civic hatch in Oct last year as his first car. I managed to bargain the dealer down to $22500 drive away mats included. At the time they also had 5 years warranty and 5year roadside assistance included.
I drive a 3litre car and found the power in the 1.8litre Honda unbelievable. It has guts and when I floored the pedal it still found more power at 90kmh.
The car is fuel efficient. Quiet and very comfortable. I can't fault it.
We were also tossing up between kia cerato and Holden cruze and decided on the Honda for mainly their good name and resale value when my son decided to upgrade.
I am now considering getting myself a civic when my current car needs replacing.
Can't Afford Anything More
hopefully you can afford insurance though :)
For sure:)
Do yourself a favor and buy a Mazda 3 cant go past them for value and reliability
Mazda 3 excellent car.
There is another car which is also great which is the Skoda Fabia or VW Polo (same car different design).
Fabia comes in a wagon which is large otherwise hatch. 1.2L engine with 81kw zippy with a DSG and uses 4.9L per 100.
Too small for us.
Check the wagon - it's as big as a medium hatch and has an even bigger boot.
I did look at it but prefer kia over it.
Mazda 3 built it's reputation on being a little more plush, a tighter build and slightly more powerful than the others but they don't seem to hold any of these advatages any more.
Subaru Impreza base model, beats the honda hands down.
My Honda Civic 2006 is still going strong. No major complains in these 11 years & still good with fuel.
I had a 2006 Civic as well, sold it to my friend when the lease was up. Still going strong. I did over 100k km in 3 years, and he's done that as well. Reckons the motor is just run in! Joy to drive, super efficient!
How many litres per hundred were you guys getting? (if you even bothered to keep a note haha)
It was a while ago but I reckon around 6 to 7 on average. Mine was a manual as well so that made it a bit more efficient.
I will have to weigh features, size and warranty.
I like both the cars. Kia more relaxed and all features that i need but a bit smaller but as a second car would be fine as oppose to Honda which is sportier, a bit less features but bigger boot space and seating.
7 yrs vs 5 yrs warranty, extra 2-3k for Honda, may be a bit more frequent service but I guess better brand.
Not easy to make the decision.
As Mumbles posted
Mumbles 14 hours 58 min ago new
The Kia is the safer bet. You mentioned keeping the car for 6-7 years and performing high kilometres. You will be fully covered under Kia's manufacturer warranty for the entire of your ownership.
Kia has 7 Years unlimited KM warranty. Honda has 3 Years/100,000km warranty.
Kia Cerato won the Australia's Best Cars award, for small car under $35000(australiasbestcars.com.au). Against a field of 15 cars.
- 1st = Kia Cerato
- 2nd = Ford Focus
- 3rd = Mazda3
- 4th = Holden Astra
- 5th = Hyundai Elantra
- 6th = Honda Civic
Check the write up for yourself, I agree with Mumbles go with the Kia Cerato, good looking car, well made and excellent warranty!
Just looked at the link and it does put Honda Civic in 6th position but i think it is more because of the model that is one up from the base and puts more than 7k of difference.
But good way to compare. Thanks
I bought a Kia Cerato (albeit a hatch) this time last year and I adore it. If you happen to live in Sydney, I'd be more than happy to loan it to you for a day so you'd have the chance to really get the feel of it.
So nice of you. Thanks but I am in Melbourne.
What color did u get?
I got white because it was the best deal but the blue is what I should have chosen. Regrets regrets.
I'd be more than happy to loan it to you for a day so you'd have the chance to really get the feel of it.
You would actually do that for a random person on the internet?
Sure, why not?
this guy knows how to fish for likes
advice - get a near new model with balance of warranty for significantly less.
e.g. 2015 Kia Cerato S Auto MY15 with 6,351 km $15,888 that would include some room to negotiate and possibly trade in.