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StoicWilly on 12/02/2017 - 15:23 logos.com (4395 clicks)
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Hey guys, the Logos Bible app is free today! The basic package which usually costs a couple hundreds is free for today

to use it for android or ios, you just need to buy it and create an account, after that you can sign in to your account that you purchase the software with on android or ios and all your purchases will be there.

This free version of Logos Bible Software puts insights from across all of Scripture—and a collection of key biblical resources—right at your fingertips. With Logos 7 Basic, you’ll do basic Bible study tasks and see for yourself how Logos can help you discover, understand, and share more of the biblical insights you crave. Customize a Bible reading plan, take notes and highlight, consult devotionals and commentaries, and more—all with the help of intuitive, interactive tools.

Logos 7 Basic is a limited-feature version of Logos 7. With no credit card required, enjoy select features that are included in Logos 7 base packages, as well as a few datasets, books, and other resources*.
*The features, datasets, and books provided in Logos 7 Basic are “access-only”, which means you have access to them, but do not own them permanently.

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  • String name on 12/02/2017 - 15:35
    +7

    Does it run on the Devil's operating system, Arch Linux?

    String name on 12/02/2017 - 15:35 (Collapsed - Offtopic. Show)
    • ggrant on 12/02/2017 - 16:09

      Better Mac.

      • [Deactivated] on 12/02/2017 - 18:09
        +3

        Best trick in the world was the devil making apple products popular

        • thestripedlion on 13/02/2017 - 01:30

          Im sure the devil needs to make a living too

        • [Deactivated] on 13/02/2017 - 04:29

          @thestripedlion: well i dare say he needs to boost his supply to his demand.

  • ggrant on 12/02/2017 - 16:09
    +3

    Excellent you get to create another account.
    Software for Mac is 188.52 MB

    Handy as I'm writing an article about the mechanics and workings of religion and our subconscious lives.

    Thanks OP.

    • Iwantthatbargain on 12/02/2017 - 16:35

      Mac download size is 188MB, however for Windows is only 536.81 KB..

      • goodandterrible on 12/02/2017 - 17:26
        +1

        It's more than likely a downloader for the Windows one.

  • MattyD on 12/02/2017 - 16:11
    +41

    inb4 intolerance and unsolicited opinions.

    Let's make this the first time discussion focuses completely on the merit of the deal, for those that would purchase.

    If you wouldn't, for whatever reason, just graciously move along. Our respecting our collective differences makes the world a better place.

    Thx.

    • Waynes world on 12/02/2017 - 17:46
      +3

      LOL. I have no desire to discuss or debate. But I do find it interesting how religion is the ONE subject that is off limits for discussion and opinions, obviously preferred by those that have a vested interest.

      • haru on 12/02/2017 - 17:55
        +14

        I think MattyD's point is to save people from wasting time reading comments that are irrelevant to the deal, not that irrelevant discussion is off limits.

      • onetwothreefour on 12/02/2017 - 17:57
        +6

        Religion's greatest trick was not convincing people that god exists but convincing everyone else that you can't ridicule it

        -Ricky Gervais

        onetwothreefour on 12/02/2017 - 17:57 (Collapsed - Offtopic. Show)
        • tryagain on 12/02/2017 - 20:23
          +15

          I think that it only takes a look at the comments here to realise that Ricky is pretty wrong, probably shouldn't put to much stock in a comedians observations being factual.

        • onetwothreefour on 12/02/2017 - 21:20
          +4

          @tryagain: so religion's greatest trick was convincing people there is a god?

        • tryagain on 12/02/2017 - 21:36

          @onetwothree:

          I think assuming the premise of his statement is correct even though the statement is obviously wrong is foolish. Once again

          probably shouldn't put too much stock in a comedian's observations being factual.

        • colblair on 12/02/2017 - 22:22

          Yes… because religion is never ridiculed

      • slipperypete on 13/02/2017 - 11:01
        +4

        I don't believe in religion, however, I totally agree with MattyD.

        This is a site for bargain hunting. It also has a section for discussion topics….so why not keep personal views which have nothing to do with subjective value there. It just gets tedious.

    • slipperypete on 13/02/2017 - 10:53

      Nice try..

      unfortunately, it looks like there are a lot of people who don't understand the saying 'live and let live'

    • Shahrasb on 13/02/2017 - 13:22
      -2

      This is a good deal and any opportunity to study the scripture is a welcome opportunity for a better insight into human psyche and evolution of literature throughout history.

      Anyway, tolerating intolerance is not exactly conducive to an atmosphere of tolerance. Religions - not the religious - happen to have a brimming history in the intolerance department evident by scriptures that are manifests of intolerance. Afraid, shoving non-believers aside by asking to graciously move along is not a sign of respect either.

    • Grillman on 13/02/2017 - 14:35
      -2

      I did laugh at "unsolicited opinions" coming from bible bashers. You bringing it up seems to have created what you didn't want to happen though?

  • Faithgrrl on 12/02/2017 - 16:22

    The link looks like its going to download to a desktop version. How do I get it on Andriod and is that free? I had a look at google play and there seems to be limited version with ads?

    • aboabo on 12/02/2017 - 17:09
      +2

      Plenty of free KJV bibles on Android.

      • cheapoguy on 13/02/2017 - 00:52
        +1

        I read that as King JV. :-)

        • chonkie on 13/02/2017 - 11:44

          So did he.

    • StoicWilly on 12/02/2017 - 17:50
      +1

      to use it for android or ios, you just need to buy it and create an account, after that you can sign in to your account that you purchase the software with on android or ios and all your purchases will be there.

    • Faithgrrl on 12/02/2017 - 16:30

      Yes, but you are free not to :)

      • Kangal on 12/02/2017 - 16:49
        +1

        Mine says "only 5 simple payments of your soul."

        • [Deactivated] on 12/02/2017 - 21:06
          +1

          Wow layby your soul.

      • onetwothreefour on 12/02/2017 - 17:50
        +2

        Yes, but you are free not to :)

        But you will go to hell.

    • Mechz on 12/02/2017 - 18:57
      +2

      Good to see all the tolerant christians have a sense of humour.

  • radissimo on 12/02/2017 - 16:45
    +10

    Helluvadeal

    • Maz78 on 12/02/2017 - 16:51
      +3

      I see what you did there
      :)

  • aboabo on 12/02/2017 - 17:06
    +2

    http://www.e-sword.net/downloads.html is better and always free.

    • MHLoppy on 12/02/2017 - 17:37
      +1

      Could you elaborate for others who are interested about why you think that it's better?

      • aboabo on 12/02/2017 - 17:47
        +9

        It has an inbuilt Strongs Concordance, maps, charts, etc, and is always free.

        What more could you want?

        • jase13 on 13/02/2017 - 10:29
          +1

          I could (and do) want some of the 10s of thousands of resources available on Logos and not esword.

        • aboabo on 14/02/2017 - 01:39

          @jase13: If you want an abundance of stuff other than the 1189 chapters of the Holy Bible, this Logos bloatware would be perfect for you.

  • Iwantthatbargain on 12/02/2017 - 17:10

    Has anyone been able to download and use it? I don't know if this is some issue with my MacBook or others having issues too ?

    • [Deactivated] on 12/02/2017 - 17:16
      +26

      A quick prayer should sort it out.

  • misterpotatomato on 12/02/2017 - 17:21

    JW library on Android and iOS has the KJV Bible available and has highlighting and cross references. Also has pen support for windows tablets. It's always free.

    I know it's denominational but yeah, has a fair few Bibles.

  • denzel on 12/02/2017 - 17:38

    Cheers mate. A very useful tool indeed.

  • Boba on 12/02/2017 - 17:58
    +2

    The Logos Basic package looks like their software client along with a bunch of resources that are mostly expired copyright and readily available online. I wouldn't expect to pay for any of this.

    I purchased the Logos-version Tyndale and Bible Speaks Today commentaries during a Koorong sale a few years ago, and it's pretty good for that, but I wouldn't use it for regualr Bible reading. For Bible reading I'd use Olive Tree for English and Accordance for Greek/Hebrew.

  • [Deactivated] on 12/02/2017 - 18:06

    What is it? Essentially an e-book bible? Do they do various versions (new-old testament etc)?

  • [Deactivated] on 12/02/2017 - 18:10
    +4

    This is the basic one. If you get the advanced (new) one, are you meant to ignore everything in the old one?

    • Mixhael on 13/02/2017 - 11:05
      +2

      Hahahah, if you're making the reference I think you are :)

    • frewer on 12/02/2017 - 18:34

      I find your opinion rather intellectual dishonest

      • diondai1 on 12/02/2017 - 18:43
        -4

        Intellectually, you'd find my opinion as the more rational one. Emotionally and morally? Well I'd have to say yes :)

        • frewer on 12/02/2017 - 19:22
          -5

          Get off that high horse mate, before you fall flat on your face.
          Edit: There is no moral in Atheism, "we are all just dance to our DNA" no right or wrong, hence no moral. So please take that label off.

        • dazweeja on 12/02/2017 - 20:13
          +9

          @frewer:

          I don't think you understand what morality is if you think religion is a pre-requesite.

        • diondai1 on 12/02/2017 - 20:36
          +1

          @frewer: I hate to point out Mr. Jesus Loves You, that according to what you believe, 22% of Australians cannot choose between right or wrong…

          One does have to wonder what you would be thinking had you have seen a free online Quran posted on Ozbargain.

          (http://www.abs.gov.au/websitedbs/censushome.nsf/home/mediafactsheetsfirst/$file/Census-factsheet-religion.doc)

        • frewer on 12/02/2017 - 21:04
          -2

          @dazweeja:

          I don't think you understand what morality is if you think religion is a pre-requesite.

          Not at all, but according to Atheism it isn't there. Hence, "we are all just dance to our DNA" - Richard Dawkin. Since you guys couldn't bother with the fact, here it is
          https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/496577-dna-neither-cares-no…

          Edit: @diondai1 not @dazweeja, you lost me, care to elaborate ?
          And why you I wonder about a post about Quran, Theravada , Mahayana or Thich Nhat Hanh ? Why ?

        • diondai1 on 12/02/2017 - 21:34
          +3

          @frewer:

          It's pretty obvious what I mean, just because I feel comfortable with the end of our lives being characterised by becoming fertiliser, It doesn't make me lack morality. Then again, you can be a nutter and an atheist.

          The same could be said of you (I'm assuming) and many other religious people. You're not all nuts, but as history can tell you, plenty of horrid things have been done in the name of God. Some very immoral things mind you too.

          I bring up the Qoran because I highly doubt you think as highly of it as the all mighty New Testament. And Buddhism can be argued to be more an ethical or philosophical system rather than a religion.

        • frewer on 12/02/2017 - 21:47

          @diondai1:
          Thanks for the reply, as I agree with your statement : religion ( I assume you meant Christianity) is not a pre-requesite for morality. It's rather a reference point, an anchor in sea adrift or opinion if you will.

          Let's call a set of a moral laws that transcendence us Logos.
          Without Logos: people who cheated on their partner does nothing wrong ( in their own mind), they are right in their own way ( sound familiar? ).
          Without Logos: I have no right to say what Stalin, Mao, Pol pot, Nazi, Genghis Khan did was any more wrong than a one else. In fact, they did a great service to their people.
          Without Logos: a doctor just as bad as a cancer cell, for they both kills.
          Without Logos: "we are all just dance to our DNA"

        • dazweeja on 12/02/2017 - 23:18
          +10

          @frewer:

          The Bible, especially Deuteronomy and Leviticus, not only condone slavery but set out explicit rules for ownership. So does that mean that slavery is OK? Or can you use some other criteria to decide for yourself that it's wrong? I hope it's the latter. Leviticus also says not to eat pigs. Jews and Muslims follow this but most Christians don't. Is that wrong or right? Do you eat bacon? Can you pick and choose from the moral code set out in the bible?

          There's a long tradition of ethics that does not require any sort of religion. Immanuel Kant wrote a lot about the Golden Rule, which is basically the same as "do unto others". He was religious but his reasoning did not require religion. Thomas Hobbes wrote a lot about social contract theory. You can construct a very strong ethical framework, backed by the power of reason, just from these two philosophers. You seem to assume that an ethical framework backed by the fear of going to hell will produce more moral people than a morality willingly and deliberately constructed by society but there are Christians murdering, raping, etc, every day. It seems when it comes down to it that religious morality doesn't mean much. Islamic terrorists believe so strongly in the morality of their actions that they will give their lives. I disagree that a morality based on religion is better or that atheists can't live by a moral code.

        • thelastnoob on 13/02/2017 - 12:13
          -2

          @dazweeja:

          By disregarding christian morality the world has permitted and promoted the murder of hundreds of millions of innocent unborn babies.

        • dazweeja on 13/02/2017 - 13:52
          +1

          @thelastnoob:

          The Bible has nothing to say about the point at which a baby achieves personhood. The closest it gets to even taking about the rights of a baby while it's still in the womb is Exodus 21:22-25, which can be interpreted either way.

          Do you know much about pigs? Very intelligent creatures, even more so than young babies. Quite remarkable. Christians murder them in their hundreds of millions even though the Bible says explicitly not to eat them. Pretty callous, no?

        • thelastnoob on 13/02/2017 - 14:16

          @dazweeja:
          personhood is a non scientific philosophical metaphysical construct
          the bible declares the individuality and worth of unborn
          pigs are animals and humans are distinct yet if you want to place animals on the same level you are mistaken

          animals being killed for food is worse than babies being murdered and mutilated
          but since you and others make up their own views on right and wrong it is anything goes

        • dazweeja on 13/02/2017 - 14:23

          @thelastnoob:

          Please show me in the Bible where it declares the worth of unborn.

          Yes, I construct my own morality so where the Bible is fine with slavery, and I presume you are too because you seem to think it's a source of inviolable truth, I think it's abhorrent.

          If you think that slavery is wrong and eating pigs is OK, then it seems you can pick and choose which bits of morality you take from the Bible. Is that the case? If so, it seems like anything goes for Christians too.

        • thelastnoob on 13/02/2017 - 15:17

          @dazweeja:
          Don't confuse any laws given to ancient Jews in the ancient world with the beliefs and teachings of Christianity.
          Also don't confuse servants with slaves.

          God mentions he knows someone before they were born see here
          http://www.crusadeforlife.org/what%20does%20the%20Bible%20sa…

          Show me where Christians are forbidden from eating pigs and where slavery is condoned.

        • bchliu on 13/02/2017 - 21:10

          @thelastnoob: Too bad the church officially recognises the OLD TESTAMENT as canon and still taught in all Christian scripture classes. I cant be Forked to reference, but we all know it's there (Cough Leviticus 11). Oh.. you wanna argue that Modern Christians do not follow Old testament anymore? You wanna pick and match what you want to believe? It's ok not to believe Leviticus, but Genesis is ok because the world was created in 7 days and Noah took in hundreds of pairs of animals during a great flood. But.. lets leave the slavery, incest and what we dont want to believe out. LOL

        • thelastnoob on 13/02/2017 - 22:13

          @bchliu:
          Who said it isnt canon I just told you God said those commands were for the Jewish people in the ancient world. The bible says that.
          Leviticus contains the laws given to ancient jews in ancient world.
          The bible records incest but doesn't condone it when the laws were made.
          Which churches follow OT law? Virtually none do and virtually none ever have
          Christians helped end slavery and
          Incest is becoming more accepted with lack of bible morals
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mx457T7iWMA

          Quite rich to whinge about slavery and incest in ancient world yet remain silent on murder of unborn
          also aust govt used to experiment and abuse aboriginals and you support and pay money to them vs ancient jews 3500 years ago
          if you dont understand my point ask your partner for help

        • bchliu on 13/02/2017 - 22:37

          @thelastnoob: The Catholic church actually recognises the OT to be truth and is taught to all Catholics as the truth. It is not just for "Ancient Jewish People". This goes for Leviticus and everything else in it. The hypocrisy comes in when you "Choose" to believe one part of it, whilst neglecting all the other parts.

          The Bible records and actually condones incest, rape, human sacrifice, genocide and terrorism:

          Incest: Lot and his daughters. "For Lot was a Righteous man…" and had sex with his two daughters when he was drunk and impregnated both. (Genesis 19:30-38)
          Rape: Lot selling his daughters to men of Sodom telling them not to rape the Angel, but his virgin daughters instead (Genesis 19:1-9)
          Rape: "If a man is caught in act of raping a young woman, he must pay 50 silver to the girl's father and will have to marry the girl and never divorce" (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)
          Slavery: "The Slave is the Owner's Property" (Exodus 21:20-21)
          Woman's rights: "Women should remain silent at Church! They are not allowed to speak" (Corinthians 14:34-35)
          Child Abuse: Abraham taking Isaac to the mountain and wanting to kill him because he heard voices (Genesis 22:1-19)

          The Bible actually condones all the above.

          Plenty more examples but cant be bothered anymore to list them. Just think about the absurdness of Genesis - where you have two humans (Adam and Eve) having kids. How can they reproduce? By Incest, of course. This logic is quite conveniently side-stepped from every scripture and scripture teachers are almost embarrassed to talk about it. LOL

        • bchliu on 13/02/2017 - 22:38

          @thelastnoob:

          Quite rich to whinge about slavery and incest in ancient world yet remain silent on murder of unborn
          also aust govt used to experiment and abuse aboriginals and you support and pay money to them vs ancient jews 3500 years ago
          if you dont understand my point ask your partner for help

          Can I have what you are prescribed too?

        • thelastnoob on 13/02/2017 - 23:59

          @bchliu:

          you are plain misleading or lying now
          you said lot had sex with his daughters yet you didnt mention his daughter virtually raped him after drugging him ( you are implying he did it gladly with God's blessing)

          ask you partner if the Bible says God commanded that or if you just imagined He did because He recorded a story
          recording a story of events is not actually condoning the event otherwise the police and journalists would be in trouble

          adam and eves is obvious what happened nothing to be embarrassed about
          science teaches the same thousands of years later all humans coming from a few

          anyway you want to discuss things you dont believe happened whilst ignoring my statements and questions about the murder and mutilation of babies
          which is a current major evil that is really occurring

          OT LAW
          https://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-law.html

          i'll cut to the chase and discuss REAL PRESENT EVIL lets play catch 22
          if you say the unborn is non human and not alive you fail
          if you say it is a human life your world will ….

          pick one im guessing you will take the false 3rd unlisted choice (mpus) or 4th unlisted choice (buck)

        • bchliu on 14/02/2017 - 00:19

          @thelastnoob: You obviously didnt read the section for Lot in the OT. It was not misleading but he did offer his daughters to be raped in place of the Angel. After they left Sodom and his wife turned to Salt, his daughters thought it was a good idea to have sex with him. He even had (grand)kids with his daughters thereafter. In all, the bible still recognises him as a prophet and a "Righteous Man" (sic).

          God commanded everything to be in that book. He endorsed Abraham to kill his own son. He endorsed Moses and his descendants to genocide worse than Hitler. He endorsed the killing of humans and animals in a huge flood just to wipe away and do everything from scratch again. He endorses the punishment of your women to shut them up if they go against your will. Arguably if you base your morals on this god, then you're pretty much the worse person on this planet.

          BTW.. the bible does not narrate from God's perspective. It is not the "Word of God". (eye roll).

          Quite rich to whinge about slavery and incest in ancient world yet remain silent on murder of unborn also aust govt used to experiment and abuse aboriginals and you support and pay money to them vs ancient jews 3500 years ago if you dont understand my point ask your partner for help

          I would suggest you use punctuation in your replies as this absolutely makes no sense to me at all. You saying Abortion is evil? The Government had experimented and abused Aboriginals and that we should not pay taxes to them as a result of this? What does this have to do with what is being said about the hypocrisy of the bible and the people who use it to their end? Your red herring failed miserably because it has nothing to do with what we are talking about here.

          anyway you want to discuss things you dont believe happened whilst ignoring my statements and questions about the murder and mutilation of babies which is a current major evil that is really occurring

          Where is your evidence and context of this? Make Abortions illegal is it? Or are you referring to some other conspiracy theory that you have failed to bring up?

        • thelastnoob on 14/02/2017 - 00:41

          @bchliu:

          he was raped and drugged why is he bad for that are you victim blaming?
          abraham was a legit test to show God giving his Son there was never to be child abuse
          flood was his prerogative i am glad we are alive

          you say God bad because of things you dont believe he did and crimes which thousands of years ago you are upset over
          yet if thats enough reason to condemn Jesus and his teachings than why not condemn the govt you pay money to for recent crimes against humanity ie if you are against slavery etc so much why only judge crimes of ancient world that you believe never happened

          Murder should be illegal i see once more you REFUSE to answer my question if the unborn is an alive human
          keep it up and ask your partner to help you answer it or at least try to tell them why you wont answer me

        • bchliu on 14/02/2017 - 09:03

          @thelastnoob: He wasnt raped because he woke from it and said to have enjoyed it. Abraham in modern times is called Schizophrenia - hearing voices in his head to go and kill people. That is the modern diagnosis, NOT the voice of God. People in the bible have used God as an excuse to further their own means as every damn prophet has done within.

          If you want to talk about crimes - what about the child molestation stuff that your church does? The covering up of it all right up to the pope? What about the fact that your Church also helped the Nazi's in WW2? The mindless brainwashing of people?

          The world has lots of issues and it is not going to get resolved through lame arguments like this. As for Abortion - every woman has the right to make a decision on whether or not they can sustain a child or able to raise it in a good family environment. These women are traumatised too making decisions on whether or not to go ahead with this and it isnt easy. But there are certain influential factors that helps with the decision. The "unborn child" is no more than cells within her body at this stage and does not have any feelings or thoughts. However, the woman in this situation does and can potentially suffer and ruin her life if she goes ahead with it. When you have situation of suffering one way or another, it is actually more moral to cut the life of the cells than it is to destroy the future and life of the woman in this case.

        • thelastnoob on 14/02/2017 - 09:44
          +1

          @bchliu:

          Actually the bible says Lot had no idea when the sex began and ended.
          Genesis 19:33&35
          So you are spreading a complete lie about him but I'm certain you got it from somewhere else and just repeating the lie
          You really need to be aware your sources are deceiving you

          The Catholic Church is not a Christian church
          They executed the first man to translate the bible as they knew they would lose power
          They removed one of the 10 commandments
          They are against many bible teachings and they have the highest percentage of child rapists out of any group

          Once again you have avoided my question for the most part
          I didn't ask you about the ethics of abortion
          I asked if the unborn is a human and if it is alive
          I am after a scientifically accurate answer not your opinion

          You need to realise if someone follows Jesus and obeys him that person will live a much better life
          That person will become much more moral and loving
          And also inherit eternal life for having his sins forgiven

        • bchliu on 14/02/2017 - 11:50

          @thelastnoob: haha.. OMG. I'm going to stop here because the debate is getting nowhere when you start making claims based on the bible as evidence of what is reality. Catholic Church not a Christian Church? You kidding me? They invented this religion and Protestant segregation only came away afterwards.
          Really you need to start taking your meds again and "I'll pray for your mental health tonight". I can see why you think Abraham / Noah / Moses / Stick your favourite prophet conditions are fine when you can say and think like this.

        • thelastnoob on 14/02/2017 - 11:52
          +1

          @bchliu:

          there were christians before the catholic church
          thanks for once again avoiding my human life question
          you know it does matter

        • frewer on 14/02/2017 - 12:02

          @dazweeja: I see there are a few more post since I left it.
          Ok the good old slavery question, do you mind to point it out in which paragraph/verse so we wont confuse each others ?

          Meanwhile, here are some question. WHY is it wrong to enslaves other people ? Slavery is a old as humanity, it is still there in 2017 and probably beyond. Government make it illegal, sure, it went underground. One person disadvantage = other advantage. Human was treated like dirt before Jesus came along, Jesus elevated human value to a whole new level. The old statement (os) was written specifically for the Jews, under a specific context. Also the os was the "shadow" of what to comes (Jesus), hence it didn't fully reflected Jesus. Eating pig or not - All things are lawful for me, but all things do not edify.

          There's a long tradition of ethics that does not require any sort of religion
          You can construct a very strong ethical framework, backed by the power of reason
          Still the limitation is changeable, as I point out before. Nazi government made it legal to do certain things which was illegal before … And ofc it was 'reasonable' too

          An ethical framework backed by the fear of going to hell will produce more moral people than a morality willingly and deliberately constructed by society
          Where is that ideal from ??? It's sound like an idea from an average Joe who doing some dodgy thing and trying avoids jail …
          True Christian is who genuinely want to have a relationship and following their Creator ! That is what Logos is teaching.

          Atheists can't live by a moral code.
          I NEVER said that, I sure there are some atheist who do have and maintain a better moral code than Christians.
          What Im saying is without Logos soon or later we will at each other throat, because your moral isnt better than mine.

          So on that note, please answer me. WHY is it WRONG to enslaves other people ? Why is it WRONG to do anything bad thing to others ? Why there even 'WRONG' at all ? Perhaps, C.S.Lewis put it better than I can.

          Btw to save both of our time. Im not your-average-Westerner Christian :). Im a convert one

        • dazweeja on 14/02/2017 - 13:06

          @frewer:

          What Im saying is without Logos soon or later we will at each other throat, because your moral isnt better than mine.

          And yet that is clearly not what happens. I'm an atheist and I have no desire to slit your throat. Look at society. It's arranged in a very structured way. Most people work and have a boss. They do what their boss tells them. Why? Their boss won't physically beat them if they don't. Their lives are not in danger. They do it because they recognise the advantages of following the rules of society. This is also a very strong reason for acting "morally". You then get to partake in the advantages of society. You get friends, respect, dignity. Things that make you feel fulfilled as a human being.

          Additionally, most people can see the advantages of treating others as they would like to be treated. By doing that, they increase the chances of being treated that way themselves. It is rational to act in this way. One reason why I don't slit your throat is that it would make me think how much I wouldn't want you to slit mine. Acting morally also makes me happy, it makes me proud of myself. This is a construct of society but it affects my behaviour nonetheless. Which is a good thing because it means that society can influence people to act morally if strong leadership is provided.

          In two paragraphs, I have outlined what I think is the beginnings of a compelling case for acting morally. I could also build on this of course but it's a start. But it's not absolute. There is no right or wrong. In the real world, it makes no difference. Christians have absolute morality but they still do bad things when they feel like it, just like atheists do. The Christians I know don't act any better than the atheists I know.

          I'm an atheist and I act - what I consider and most Christian's would also consider - in a moral way. I don't do it for the same reasons as Christians but I have very good reasons nonetheless. There are compelling reasons for not harming other people, for treating others as you would like to be treated, and they don't require Logos. Far from being convinced that the world would be better place if everyone followed Christian morality, I think it would be a better place if morality was built on the foundations I have outlined. Foundations that are solid. That can be explained without having to refer to some ancient text. And honestly, morality and human behaviour wouldn't be that much different.

        • frewer on 15/02/2017 - 13:58

          @dazweeja:

          Im talking about the whole picture here, im a tiny corner of it which 'contains you and me'.

          It's arranged in a very structured way.
          Because people FEAR the consequences. Here a thought, how about try to let's the people do w/e they want without consequences. If society stay the same, then I will abandon my Faith, deal ? But let's me move out of that country first though :)
          Again what happened when a society[Nazi] that allows to do a certain thing which was bad before ? How can others call them out ? Base on which merit ? Aren't they just do what best for their country ? People do their job because they get paid. Not because of "a very strong reason for acting morally". Again it only true for certain people but not everyone( as in 7+billion of us).

          So many flaws in your logic, here I just make it short. What happens to people dont have job ? Aren't they human any more ? I have a job, I do my job very well, how come people dont respect me ? How come they hang **** on me for no reason or just because it is fun? It sound like only true for you … those things.

          And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. - Luke 6:31
          Now where do you get your idea from ? Doing thing according to your feeling is very dangerous, and you know it. A moral codes which build on feeling even more dangerous … sadly that is the way it is going in this country right now.

          I never said Christians are any better person than anyone else. I said Jesus gave us a moral codes which transcendence our human limits. And that codes is for out benefit not Jesus !

          There are compelling reasons for not harming other people
          Hmm so why Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao did what they did ?

          I think it would be a better place if morality was built on the foundations I have outlined.

          The feelings ? Make you happy? Makes me proud of myself? Fear of consequences ? Vain hope of your co-worker treats you the same or complain to Human Resource ?
          Why dont you mention something good out of the OS, you are cherry picking arent you ? Once again allows me to link history and present.
          Designate a place outside the camp where you can go to relieve yourself. 13 As part of your equipment have something to dig with, and when you relieve yourself, dig a hole and cover up your excrement. - Deuteronomy 23.
          In 2007 the BMJ readers choose the “sanitary revolution”(toilet) as greatest medical advance since 1840. Not antibiotic, not vaccine (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWQG1YZS9l4&ab_channel=It%27…) Of course they dont contribute it to the Old Statement,rite ? Because science has no obligation to tell the truth, only fact, and fact change all the time.

          Please answer those questions.

    • bchliu on 12/02/2017 - 19:30
      +4

      You poked a hornet's nest.. with a very very short stick..

      • diondai1 on 13/02/2017 - 15:41
        -1

        Have a squiz now haha

  • modernhunter on 12/02/2017 - 18:47
    +1

    The original fake news

    • bchliu on 12/02/2017 - 19:39
      +10

      Original "Alternative Facts" to Science..

    • tryagain on 12/02/2017 - 19:49
      +5

      Source? Or is the fake news your comment.

      • dazweeja on 12/02/2017 - 20:18
        -7

        The entire Bible is based on second and third-hand sources at best. Not a single person who wrote any part of the Bible even meet Jesus.

        • tryagain on 12/02/2017 - 20:32
          -1

          And how does that make it fake? It's impossible for information to be passed on now is it?

        • aboabo on 12/02/2017 - 20:34

          The Bible is Jesus, because Jesus is the Word (logos).

        • cornbeef on 12/02/2017 - 20:38
          +6

          Better not tell Matthew and John then. Maybe they figured it was a cricket team they were on. Judas was always complaining about being twelfth man.

        • Frig on 12/02/2017 - 20:42
          +2

          Have you actually read any of the bible?
          If you did you would know that is not true.

          Edit: Cornbeef beat me to it.

        • dazweeja on 12/02/2017 - 20:43
          +2

          @tryagain:

          It's possible for information to be passed on but for people who subscribe to evidence-based thinking, second and third-hand accounts are considered low-quality sources. I wouldn't describe it as fake but certainly not to be given any serious import. As a written work, it certainly has worth as a historical curiosity though.

        • dazweeja on 12/02/2017 - 20:44

          @Frig:

          Yes I have and my statement is entirely correct.

        • Frig on 12/02/2017 - 20:57
          -1

          @dazweeja:

          So are you saying John never met Jesus?
          Paul? etc etc…

        • tryagain on 12/02/2017 - 20:57

          @dazweeja:

          I wouldn't describe it as fake

          So the comment about the Bible being fake news is the actual fake news then.

        • frewer on 12/02/2017 - 21:05
          -2

          Please do provide the source ? So we have to take what you say at face value ?

        • tmg316 on 12/02/2017 - 21:26

          That is far from true, and if you are going to claim somethis like this you need to back it up with some evidence, otherwise it's just unsubstantiated rhetoric. For those who are more interested in engaging in a thoughtful discussion about history and philosophy this is a good place to start: https://publicchristianity.org/library/can-we-trust-the-bibl…

        • dazweeja on 12/02/2017 - 21:53
          +3

          @tmg316:

          Sure, I'll back it up with some uncontroversial facts. Firstly, all the four gospels texts were anonymous until given attributions in the second century. Secondly, all the apostles were illiterate. Thirdly, Marcan Priority is accepted by the majority of biblical scholars and the Gospel of Mark can be dated with some accuracy to around 70AD or slightly earlier (during Nero's persecution). This puts Luke and Matthew around the 80s or 90s. The idea that the actual apostle Matthew was alive then and basing his writing on Mark's text when Mark didn't know Jesus from a bar of soap is… a bit silly. Whoever wrote that gospel, it wasn't him. John is a different beast and there's plenty of other reasons to suggest that wasn't written by the apostle either.

          Given all this, the only people that believe that the gospels were written by actual apostles are those struggling to give the bible some extra authenticity which it in no way warrants.

          By the way, if you doubt Marcan Pirority, I suggest you read this: http://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/1367/what-ar…

        • [Deactivated] on 12/02/2017 - 22:27

          @dazweeja:

          Curious. Would you consider yourself an atheist? If not, are you religious at all? Purely asking out of curiosity.

        • dazweeja on 12/02/2017 - 22:34

          @Frig:

          Paul? No mate, he never met Jesus. He only claimed to have "visions". And I wasn't saying that John and Matthew never met Jesus, just that the anonymous texts that were attributed to them in the second century were not written by them.

        • dazweeja on 12/02/2017 - 22:43
          +2

          @snagseb:

          Grew up in Anglican house, then was agnostic, now an atheist. I am curious by nature though so did some religious studies at university.

        • tryagain on 12/02/2017 - 23:07

          @dazweeja:

          Sure, I'll back it up with some uncontroversial facts.

          Secondly, all the apostles were illiterate.

          Well, once again I'll ask for a source because this "uncontroversial fact" certainly isn't. I'd be seriously a) doubting anything that came from wherever you heard/read this and b) questioning why it is thy need to fabricate "facts" to make their point.

        • bchliu on 12/02/2017 - 23:15

          Poor guy getting downvoted for the truth. Funny enough, the authors werent even "Matthew, John, Luke and Mark". They were arbitrary names assigned to the official Catholic 4 Canonicals when the church was developed. The original texts have been carbon dated to be between 60-100 years after the death of Christ.

        • dazweeja on 12/02/2017 - 23:25

          @tryagain:

          Sorry, I was too hasty with the 'all' bit. I was thinking of quotes like this which I admit is flimsy and I should have left that "fact" out: http://biblehub.com/acts/4-13.htm

          But that was easily the least important fact in my post. Any comment on Marcan Priority?

        • bchliu on 12/02/2017 - 23:28

          @tryagain:
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel#Canonical_gospels
          Fakenews it aint. The Gospels were written many many years after Christ had died. This is actually recognised even in the Catholic church. Previous to this was handed down by "Oral tradition" given the illiteracy of people at the time and that it was outlawed by the Roman empire. They really do not know who the original Authors were - and that the church had to "develop" the bible from these fragments which contain many contradicting components to them.

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