There are so many people saying different things when it comes to what to eat for losing weight. Are carbs really that bad for weight loss?
And- If today I eat 8000kj of carbs vs 8000kj of meat & veg…would the carbs make me fatter?
For weight loss - carbs yes or no
[Deactivated] on 02/02/2017 - 19:39
Poll Options
- 119Carbs are bad for weight loss
- 12Carbs are good for weight loss
- 49Carbs have no effect on weight loss
Comments
- 1
- 2
Because people eat the "wrong" types of food hoping ot lose weight.
Some food is naturally more satiating and some isn't. I usually eat high protein, low GI carbs, and high fibre meals. Never feel hungry even with heavy weights training throughout the week.
I only start to get hunry when my average daily intake goes close to my BMR, which usually doesn't happen.
I don't know why this is so hard.
Eat whatever you want. Just burn off more than you put through exercise and you magically lose weight.because it doesn't work in the long-term. do you think dieters have never tried this?
Your body isn't a simple maths equation. 400cal of sugar gets treated differently to 400cal of oats in your body.
If you want to lose "weight" then dehydrate yourself or cut off your arm (I really hate the term 'losing weight')
If you want to lose "fat" then eat lean meat, fresh veggies and good fats. Go to the gym and do a basic 4 day body part split program.Write down everything you eat and all your workouts. Re-asses and tweak every 8 weeks.
You will only really know what works for you from experience.There are no shortcuts. You will have to put in time preparing your meals, going to the gym and applying self discipline.
The more of a structured routine you can make it, the easier it becomes.That's a brief as I can put it.
EVERY ONE IS DIFFERENT!
Try a few different options and see what works for you! In a basic sense calories in and out does work! Eat less calories then you burn you will lose weight.
A diet like IIFYM also can work. In a sense you eat what ever you want and as long as its not over the aloud amount of calories per day. In macro nutrients sense its stupid because you will not meet your protein needs for the day if you eat to many carbs.
I wouldn't make it this simple i would more so break down to how many carbs/fats/protein you need in a day. Generally eat more protein then any thing else. Protein will be converted into energy glucose its just harder for the body to do which is a good thing. You will have a minimum amount of carbs you need in a day of course. For me they recommend like 400-500 grams of carbs a day. I do not eat that many carbs in a day if i do i feel fat and bloated lol.
Only time taking carbs will be beneficial is if you where to take some thing like DNP. But that's a whole other story.
Also look in a Keto diet that might be the path you want to go.
Eat less energy, exercise more. That is the key to losing weight. There unfortunately is no magic solution for weight loss despite the multi billion dollar weight loss industry trying to tell us otherwise. 'Eat carbs! Don't eat carbs! Eat bacon! Bacon is the devil! Eat Paleo! Eat Jurassic!' Ugh.
Also the change in energy intake and expenditure has to be permanent. People have this odd idea that they can starve themselves for a few weeks, lose weight, and then go back to excessive eating and still expect to keep the weight off. That makes no sense at all.
Oh their are many many weight lose supplements that work!
Yeah there's Clen, which you shouldn't be doing. Plus drugs like that aren't going to teach you how to keep the weight off.
Everything else is either placebo or has such little effect it's pointless.
just take a light dose of testosterone. Or T3
carbs such as basmati rice and sweet potato etc are good. I lost 16kgs in 10 mths.
Exercise 5 days a week; mostly weights training. Take protein without sauces. Eggs are good as they make you fuller.If you want proper advice mate, PM me.
This thread pisses me off, half the people in here have given good advice and the rest downright terrible. The poll on the opinion on carbs says it all.
If you ate 8000kjs regardless of the macro split (IE protein / fat / carbs) ultimately you'll end up at the same weight for the most part.
That's not to say you shouldn't be looking at the ratios. If you were to only eat lean meats + carbs with no fats, ultimately having say 20g of fat for the entire day, you'll end up feeling terrible after a week or 2. Same goes for cuttings carbs completely and replacing them with protein (you'll go into Ketosis but won't have enough fat to fuel you). Ultimately it's a balancing act and the more drastic a caloric deficit you put yourself on the stricter you have to be with maximising what you get out of each and every calorie.
On top of that protein plays a part in muscle retention and gain. Unless you've never hit the gym before you probably won't be gaining a whole lot of muscle whilst simultaneously losing weight. Our bodies aren't that efficient unfortunately.
Are you suggesting you can't drastically cut carbs and still get enough fat in your diet ?, that's all around stupid ;).
Of course not, I was just giving an example.
Low carb is good for appetite suppression. Just eat carbs around your training times. Either before / after or both. That way you should still feel good energy wise to workout while losing weight.
Balanced diet is key.
Carbs for morning and luch but subtract it from dinner or have minimal.
Yet another million dollar question!
Have you thought about seeing a registered dietitian? There's a lot of well meaning advice around but seeing a trained professional and working out what your specific nutritional requirements are will likely get the best results without creating more problems. There's also some great dietitian-written blogs around the place too.
I realise this is going to just be another opinion in this thread full of many 'debatable' ones. My history is losing 120kg down to 80kg and currently at around 90kg (muscle weight from gym). This thread seems as if someone has given you the idea that all carbs are bad, that is simply not true.
I feel that most people can get to about 15-20% body fat with simple diet changes and a little bit of exercise. What I did was:
Download MyFitnessPal or similar app (I found this app to be great to track my calories/macros for the day. We want to be in a deficit)
Weigh your food to determine exactly what you're eating (at least for the first week or two in conjunction with myfitnesspal, it's a big wakeup call and teaches you about portion sizes)
Using myfitnesspal you can track your macros and cut out as much unneeded sugar as possible. No more soft drinks, iced coffees, sports drinks. Drink water or coffee/tea (Fat used to be blamed for obesity, these days I think the consensus is that it's sugar. Most people spike their insulin and do nothing which just puts on weight)
Replace your carbs with low gi substitutes. These keep you fuller for longer and usually contain more nutrients/fibre. (e.g white rice -> brown rice, white bread -> wholemeal, potato -> sweet potato)
Go for a walk atleast 3 times a week for a minimum of 30 minutes (a walking heart rate burns primarily fat but the main reason for the walk is to raise your metabolism. Most fat burning occurs after you've actually exercised in the recovery phase)
Stick with it (You need to realise at the moment your stomach and brain are wired to expect a certain amount of food every day. You're about to change that and you may be hungry during the first month. Fight the urge, unless your stomach is rumbling you probably aren't hungry and it is your brain telling you to eat while your body doesn't actually need it. The low GI carbs should keep you full enough to fight through this but otherwise you can snack off almonds or something. You need to show some discipline and change your behaviours or nothing will change. It's why people have weight loss surgery and regain the weight within a year.
Not in anyway a nutritionist but a few years back I went from 85-65kg in 3months. 5'10 and fairly muscular before hand.
I had a very restrictive diet and found the best reason for me to cut carbs was to hit the rest of my macro nutrient needs.
Trying to fit vegetables, protein and fruit into your diet is already a reasonable amount of calories.
I have been around 70kg for the last 5 years and do not really count calories anymore, currently eating a maxibon haha.
Calories are calories, you can lose weight on any diet. You just need to stick with It for the long term.
The hardest bit for me was social dinners/gatherings. Always hard not to over eat when everyone else is.
Metabolic rate is not the same in everyone. Depends on your genetics, size, work, exercise routine etc.
Not everyone is born with abs some of us have to work for them.Every single diet is a basically a trick to get you to eat less. To lose weight all you need to do is eat less, a caloric deficit. No exercise is actually required to lose weight. That said exercise is very good for you mentally, heart, etc and i highly recommend it BUT it is not required to lose weight.
Find what works for you, start today by either eating smaller portions or skipping a meal. If you eat main meals and are snacking between meals, stop snacking as a start, the weight will initially fall off. It takes will power, but gets easier after a couple of weeks!
There is a lot more too it and you can get overwhelmed with all the different theories, just remember eating a caloric deficit will result in weight loss - no one can disprove that, so it must be fundamental to your weight loss plan. Calculate your TDEE if you get into it, but it's not needed as eating less than you are now will again result in weight loss and you can work that out without knowing your TDEE and counting calories.
As a person just lost 25kg (from 103kg to 78kg) in 3 months and still losing (planed to lose another 15kg), I found that losing weight is really easy, just eat less and do some exercises. What to eat doesn't matter, just eat less.
Put a digital scale in your bedroom, check your weight first thing every morning and you will get a sense about whether you're eating too much or not.
I can agree lost 30Kg in 4 months. I simply cut out all junk food and ate less in general. Your body gets used to it once you've stuck to it for a couple weeks. I lived mainly off those 97% fat free frozen meals for lunch and for dinner had some sort of protein (with little to no fat) and veggies. Still had carbs in mainly every meal I ate. Exercised 1 - 2 hours a day.
Eat moar carbs to lose weight.
Jk. Eat some carbs, but less than you currently do.
Make whole grains a primary source of carbs in your diet. Rest of diet veges, some fruit,and whatever else you need. Gl
What a cancerous discussion full of ignorance.
Go see an actual specialist (or multiple) instead of (for the majority) seeking the advice of those who have no formal training in the matter
Listen to Heracles26.
Diet is extruciatingly simple. It's all a maths game.
Sorry wrong thread.
Carbs are too broad to talk about specifically. Sugar is the root of all evil and should be avoided. Other carbs are not that bad, and you need them in your diet.
Instead of getting hung up on fads like "carbs are bad", you must permanently change your diet to something healthier, and perhaps most importantly, find something which works for you.
I recommend reading this:
http://liamrosen.com/fitness.htmlFood determines how big you are. If you consume more calories than you expend, you will get bigger. If you consume fewer calories than you expend, you will get smaller. If you meet your maintenance needs, you will stay the same. Regardless of your metabolism, body composition, genetics, or whatever, your body must obey the laws of physics and biological imperatives. Now, your calorie needs can change over time. But in the end, it really is calories in and calories out. Everything else is just fiddling around the edges of this basic fact.
But please read the whole thing.
From personal experience, a low carb diet has worked very well.
I've been on the low carb diet for two weeks now and have lost 5 kilos, or 3.6% body weight, so far (with no exercise). It's difficult in the first few days, however, you naturally don't feel as hungry as you're mainly consuming protein and fats. Also finding good food is tough, learn to love omelets. Eating out can also be difficult in the beginning when you're used to carb based food. After a while it becomes surprisingly easy though.
This is the article that got me started with low carb: (https://authoritynutrition.com/how-to-lose-weight-as-fast-as…)
I'd also note that being busy helps with sticking to the diet. If you don't have much on at work or home it's much easier to eat more. But if you're out and doing things more often it seems easier to keep disciplined.
Good luck, being healthy is so important :)
I'm not going to read every comment, because I know it will reflect most conversations and TV hit-pieces I've heard about this.
First thing to keep in mind: Most people think they do, but they don't understand what "low-carb diet" refers to. This is the media's fault for the rubbish they repeat, and the listener's fault too, for not checking if what they just heard is accurate.
e.g. How many times have you heard some doctor or dietician on TV, saying Atkins/low-card/high protein diets are unhealthy, bad for your kidneys, heart disease, etc. - all sorts of COMPLETE RUBBISH.
Why? Here's a big hint: What they are talking about would be true if the FIRST STAGE of the Atkins diet was the entire diet - but it's NOT. Ok, so how long does that first stage last? A minimum of just 2 WEEKS (some people take a little longer). Once your body is burning fat, then you begin adding back vegetables, nuts, fruit. Along with dropping things like processed food, sugar and alcohol, drinking water and exercising.
Does that sound unhealthy? Of course not. But it's those first 2 weeks that all these medical and dietary 'experts' refer to as unhealthy, as if it's the entire diet - and it isn't. Two, three, or even four weeks of something is going to have zero bad effect on your health (unless you're already at death's door).
Then there are more stages to move through.
What I've just shown above demonstrates that most people don't know what Atkins/low-carb is - and are rubbishing something before obtaining even a remote understanding about it first. That is… ignorance personified.
The great thing about Atkins is it gives big weight loss, fast - nearly from the very beginning. (It slows a lot though later on.) And you also start to FEEL better fast. That is encouraging. On the other hand, most calorie-restrictive and exercise diets are a major lifestyle change, give minimal or no weight loss for a long time (even weight GAIN in some cases). And that does what? Discourages!
Because you start to feel better fast, it makes exercise possible. Which again, most diets don't do. Instead you'll feel hungry 24/7 on these supposedly 'healthy' diets. The food is a pain in the neck to buy and prepare. You're irritable. You feel just as sick or sicker (so you can't exercise even if you want to). So you think it's not worth it, give up after several days, and go buy a pizza.
My wife & I did it. After a few days, I was losing from 600g to 900g EVERY DAY. My wife weighed less and woman generally lose weight slower. She lost 300-500g PER DAY. How much exercise did we do at the same time to achieve those kinds of results? NONE.
It's still a change of foods. And there are other choices. But we simplified it right down to make it easy. The first stage we ate mostly meat. Bacon & eggs for breakfast. Mince, cheese, chicken breast, steak, prawns cooked in butter… There was no hunger. If you're hungry you eat again. In a few days fat began melting off, we began feeling better, strength and muscle increased due to the high protein intake.
Again, that's the FIRST stage ONLY. To put your body into fat-burning mode. And man alive does it ever! That loss rate doesn't last unfortunately. But it gives you the kick start you need to do more.
There's more to it of course. Other stages. But you basically start adding foods back in, find where your body starts gaining weight, then back off a little to lose more, hold it there if you want to stabilise, or add more if you lost too much. In short, it teaches you what and how much YOUR body can eat. Not this mathematical formula that leaves many people constantly hungry. (What a miserable way to live.)
Even if someone never goes further and moves onto a different method of eating, you feel better, stronger, have lost some weight, all making it easier to start exercise. So I believe Atkins is the best way to START, no matter what you change to later, for those reasons.
Lift 3x a week, building muscle helps putting you in a deficit and also burns calories. Also do cardio for extra calorie burning daily if possible nothing extreme short jogs but build off it.
Eat less or eat better. (Providing better is the same quantities as before) The weight will fly off.
People make it complex it's really not.
I think the take home message here my friends is, that people truly need to get over themselves. When I first started my journey, I always claimed to know more than others because I had discovered this new profound knowledge. I found along the way, that there will never be just one opinion and you are just wasting your time. It's great to suggest ideas but it's wrong to shut people because opinions will always vary. Even though how much their opinion will differ from your own. It's best to try what works for you, because one diet will not work for everyone. We all know this, you all know this. Everyone always opinions and this will change overtime or perhaps they won't.
Let's please refrain from calling people stupid or ignorant, for something that works for them. Ultimately those who are dieting are on the same quest, and that is to be respected and congratulated. Not to negate their efforts by some negative force, just because it differs from what you believe in.
aerona
You need to experiemt and find out what works for you.
I have found for me that any diet where any food type is restricted, then I will automatically want to eat that thing. Paleo, low carb, don't work for me in the long term, I can't sustain that way of eating for more than a month. For some people (those with minds that are OK with eating the same thing all the time) low carb is great and works well.
Carbs are definitely an issue for me and will cause me to put on weight, not having carbs for dinner is the easiest way to deal with this.
How much fibre do you consume?
The science has moved on far beyond the calories in — calories out equation. It was always wrong at an individual level.
Gut microbiota are recognised as being distinctly different between fat and skinny people. It has also been demonstrated that gut microbiota can be modified within weeks by diet (but within weeks - not for each meal). Experiments have demonstrated weight loss by the addition of fibre to otherwise identical food intake.
An article touching on some of this:
http://time.com/3936636/diet-gut-bacteria/If interested in understanding more on how this area is rapidly developing — this book published in 2015 is quite up to date: "10% human", Alanna Collen.
It entirely depends on what level of depth OP wants to get into. I wouldn't focus on restricting carbs, I would be focusing on getting enough protein into my diet as protein is the most consistently filling macronutrient, it also helps preserve muscle when losing weight. Look into foods that are filling for how many calories they are, this most often is vegetables, fruit, high fibre foods.
Here is a guide to controlling food intake without counting calories: http://www.precisionnutrition.com/calorie-control-guide-info…
To maintain a low body fat and/or lower body fat:
* Exercise at least 5 hours per week
* Eat whole/unprocessed foods at regular intervals, while being aware of physical hunger/fullness cues
* Sleep 7-9 hours per night
* Don’t engage in extreme diets
* Stay consistent with your habits
* Incorporate non-exercise physical activity
* Ignore food advertisingFor extra credit:
* nuts
* green tea
* low energy-density foods
* dietary protein
* avoiding refined carbohydrates
* adequate hydration
* dietary fiber
* fruits and vegetables
* regular exercise
* adequate sleep
* a supportive social networkFrom http://www.precisionnutrition.com/all-about-fat-loss
Overall there is a lot you can do and it depends on how in depth you want to get.
EDIT: how do I make bullet points?
Just eat less calories than you burn and you should lose weight.
If you don't want to eat less, burn more, easy.
Interesting. I provide a link to an article, written by an expert, that covers exactly what the OP is asking and receive 2 negs for my efforts.
It seems that OzB's regard the value of opinions higher than facts.
Carbs are a fantastic source of energy for the body; if you don't use that energy, it stores the energy as fat.
Michael Mosely addressed this very issue recently. Check SBS on demand for the episode.
I'm currently doing keto, not only cutting out refined sugars and minimising carbs but also restricting calorie intake and fasting. I've dropped 6kg and eating cleaner feels so good. I can't stand sugar drinks and don't crave junk anymore.
One word: Ketogenic
Look it up: high fat, medium protein, very low carb.
Works a treat and means you can have bacon & eggs for brekky every morning! I've lost a lot of weight on this and it does work. Just have to get through the 'carb flu' the first week or so. And for those saying you can't sustain or build muscle on this - yes you can there's lots of research on this. Even bodybuilding.com had videos and articles.
- 1
- 2
It's hard for a few reasons.
Consuming a billion low nutrient calories will ONLY satisfy the calorie requirement - the nutrient requirements are not met.
As soon as you've processed the sugar/carbs, you'll feel hungry again.
It's not peoples lack of will power, it's the body's need for nutrient that is telling you to eat more. It's poor choice of diet.
(Don't get me started on vegetable oils - they're just nasty! Margarine vs Butter? Why oh why would one eat that chemical concoction that taste so inferior to butter has me so puzzled. Those who vilified animal fats have committed a huge crime against humanity!)