Hey guys, As a recent HSC graduate im finding it difficult and almost frudtrating at deciding what degree I should do. I got an ATAR of 99.6 and can pretty much get into anything apart from medicine as I didnt do too well in my umat. So right now the courses im considering are Usyd commerce and law, UNSW actuarial and commerce, optometry, possibly engineering. Thees so much to consider including future job availability, earnings, amount of stress and work life balance associated with each of the future profession. I hope the ozbargain community can give me some advice and suggestions especially some if the lawyers, actuarys,enginners and other professionals here.
What degree should I study in uni?
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I'm talking about people with >99 ATARs. I don't care about the trade industry.
These people end up being Lawyers, Doctors, Academics, Engineers etc.
@fredz: I think you're missing the point here mate. People with ATARs like this have the opportunity to become much more than the limited things you're suggesting and be wildly more successful. It's down to passion and their ability to drive an industry forward if they so desire.
It's clear you don't care about the trade industry, and nor do I for that matter, however this thread isn't about us now is it?
It's clear you don't care about the trade industry, and nor do I for that matter, however this thread isn't about us now is it?
No, it's not. I just know this type of person. He's an intelligent Chinese (probably) person who will most likely end up choosing Law
to become much more than the limited things you're suggesting and be wildly more successful
I doubt it. Doctors and Lawyers make far more money than whatever you're thinking of.
While all Doctors and Lawyers, like other professionals, will have good salaries you are being simplistic if you think every doctor and every lawyer is a specialist surgeon or partner.
It is possible for tradesmen - particularly those who can grow a business out of being a sole trader - to have high incomes.
Though, what is really needed is someone capable of transforming the trades industry and bringing about professional attitudes! Imagine tradesmen who turn up on time or at the very least have the basic ability to communicate when they will not? Or who can provide a project plan and again communicate clearly what the milestones will be and when completion can be expected? Or who finds solutions and doesn't just say "it can't be done"? Or who finishes the job promptly after the major payment has been made and doesn't just leave the last 10% sitting there making the customer chase them over and over.
Imagine how much earning potential a quality, service-oriented tradesmen could make?
Imagine how much earning potential a quality, service-oriented tradesmen could make?
That's nice. I don't care about trades. OP has no interest in a trade.
Thanks for the downvote while announcing to the world your disdain for trades.
Just because one gets a >99 atar does not mean they will be future leaders. I know a guy who smokes dope all day >99 ATAR wasted. There are also Tradesmen that earn six figure salaries that would rival an academic professional from a top uni.
It is really just an option buddy. Someone doesn't necessarily need to go to university to be successful or develop the ability to lead, no one is born a leader unless you have a dictator father who lands you the job when he dies.
A university degree can however secure your future provided you choose the right field of study. I believe this is true and also gives you options down the line. I think we can all agree what ever one does, a qualification is a must regardless.
I am a post grad myself studied for decades, BUT the one job that makes me more money is my trade if money is what you are chasing. Personally lifestyle and family are my number 1 priority.
I'm sure there are tradesman that earn salaries that would rival an academic professional from a top uni. That's a pretty strange example. Academia in Australia is not a high paying profession. Academics generally make much less money than they would in the private sector. You don't go into that profession to make money.
Some tradies are very successful - and really, the high-earning tradies generally have the skillset to be successful entrepreneurs because at the end of the day, they're businessmen. At the same time, there are plenty of tradies who aren't earning high six figure salaries as well. Generally, it'd be rare that someone achieving a 99.6 ATAR would become a tradie. It's an entirely respectable career with good prospects if you're willing to work hard but it wouldn't be unusual if OP is not looking to go down this path.
I know some highly intelligent people that lack practicable ability. Regurgitating acquired knowledge does not mean you have a practicable understanding or ability to perform in other areas. Actually the most intelligent amongst us are almost always lacking on other areas as they tend to focus on their strengths (Which they are acknowledged for) to the detriment of other areas of their person.
Also when you mention a 6 figure salary, that's $100,000 - $999,999
that's $100,000 - $999,999
I work in the medical industry. Many of my colleagues earn from the low end and well over $500,000+ in the case of surgeons and executives.
My bosses all did well at university and in high school.None of you had what it took to do a difficult degree or be in a management position, so please spare me your empty opinions.
@fredz: Yeah listen to this guy - works in the med industry earns the big $$$ surrounded by 'leaders' and gives great collaborative advice on ozb. Just follow his steps and his highly valued advice!
Guess all that leadership really rubbed off.
@Heb:
Perhaps it's because you people keep banging on about trades. I am certain the OP has no interest in trades. Why do you insist on talking about that?
@fredz: You might have me mistaken for someone else. I don't think I've mentioned anything about trades yet in this post. If anything in my later comment it might actually be construed that I'm encouraging OP to not give up on med, missing out the first time could be a detour worth taking.
Like many others say tradies can earn millions once they move past the initial stages and start their own successful business. The tradies people commonly think of are just low paying employees. Most of the ones I associate with actually earn in significant excess ($2m+ net minimum but it wouldn't' surprise me if their profits are closer to $5m+) of the highest salaried employees I work with in the medical profession. That being said, they run their own business. Kind of similar I guess to those in med running their own practices and hiring their own staff so yes it's not exactly comparable in the short run.
Highly successful people like many have said often have limitless potential so whatever they choose (even trades) will likely succeed. Because of all this, I think it would be a shame for a fine young person to turn their nose down at a trade or for some in med to hold their head up high thinking they're in cloud nine when everyone has their respectable roles to play in society and many earning surprisingly high amounts of cash that often escape the well-meaning minds of traditional stereotype asian parents.
I agree with you that OP will in all likelihood not choose a trade. Haha but I might go with a non law option like actuarial - we'll see how it plays out!
@fredz: are you serious? you should stop implying that you're a doctor since you sound like a immature arrogant teenager rather than a professional. have some respect for people in different lines of work, I know plenty who earn more than doctors and lawyers, including those with lower UAI/ATARs
you should stop implying that you're a doctor
Engineer actually. Not a doctor. I do work with them, though.
I found patient interaction a complete bore.I know plenty who earn more than doctors and lawyers
And none of those people will be remembered and most likely not do anything of note.
have some respect for people in different lines of work
Couldn't care less. If you want a pat on your back for building a toilet then go find a feel good tradies forum.
I'm trying to help this kid choose a good career. Someone with an excellent ATAR and great literacy skills. And all you people are trying to do is talk about manual labour. You are wasting his time.
Taking Sheldon from the big bang theory as an example, what's his chance of being a leader?
Some friends that are tradies make significantly more than I expected. So a plumber who has his own company earns over 200K p.a, doing commercial work for shopping centres. Another client in a business partnership is clearing over 1700 net per week himself. He only started his business less than a year ago and is under 25!
I tell you a secret.
Trade in Australia as most of you will laugh it off, makes the most money out of all professions. No one knows this, everyone thinks otherwise hence the low supply and the consequent high demand.
Trade work by the minute. As soon as you work past the normal hrs, 9-5 or whatever it may be, your double time starts ticking by the minute and you rack up heaps of cash this way with labourers working late, working slow, getting coffee breaks. How common are the other professions working extra half hours here and there without pay? very common.
Trade gets insane amount of "additional public holiday" aka "RDOs", created by the Australian union. They get extra days of paid-day-off normally following a national public holiday like easter, Aus day etc. in addition to paid-bbq-days, paid-picnic-days. Again, thanks to the union. They are literally extra public holidays.
Coupling the work-by-the-minute advantage, they get more breaks than your average person. They get lunch breaks, coffee breaks, smoking breaks. If you get paid by the minute, you can imagine how much it racks up with the coffee breaks.
Trade can get heaps tax-free-cash-income by working on the weekends on airbnb tasks or build up of your own clientel by using the skills of the trade. One day on a saturday can easily get you $300 - cash.
Yep, they earn as much as blue collar professionals on the books, never do unpaid work, and work for cash
Airtasker* not airbnb
OK, I'll say it. Did you really get 99.6 without being able to spell 'medicine', 'professional' or 'actuaries'?
Its called typing on the phone. U should see some of my typos on my persobal messages haha
You got downvoted for not spelling skule correctly…
What kind of phone doesn't autocorrect 'persobal'?
And while we're on the subject, it's 'What degree should I study FOR in Uni.' ;)
What kind of phone doesn't autocorrect 'persobal'?
I'm guessing you're an iPhone user.
Android users don't like to be autocorrected. Only incompetent people use auto correct.
@fredz: I mean, there's still suggestions on the top bar. If you use a keyboard like SwiftKey, the (pseudo)autocorrect features are incredible.
If you use a keyboard like SwiftKey
I turned that setting off. I agree, great app.
Microsoft owns it now.
But even on a phone the E and I aren't anywhere near each other, so what's going on there?
Doesn't your phone have auto correct? I find it much harder to make a spelling mistake these days
Have you considered taking a year off to work and travel? I went straight into uni after high school and feel that an extra year off would have been good for my personal development. This will also give you the time to consider what profession you may be spending 40+ years in…
It's been a while since I finished high school but shouldn't the course selections have been done a few months ago?
Depends on personality.. Going straight to uni helped me to come out of my shell… And I met my life long friends.
So its difficult to predict what a year straight after high school will do, if any good at all, taking a year/6months off midway that's something that I think me and my mates should have done… Oh well loll
+1000 exactly this. I chopped and changed from physio, accounting to math and teaching. I had always wanted to be an accountant and then realised what it was.
The same applies to a lot of my friends but if we had our time over we should have taken a year off and spent it working. Not for the money but for the experience regardless of the field and gone on a trip at end of the year. Once again, for life experiences. The hope is somewhere along the line you find out what you're passionate for. I spent those initial few years donating it what I wanted to do but I think it could have been in a much better way!
I definitely wouldn't recommend optometry - it has changed a lot as a profession over the years and it's a lot more retail hours these days as well. If you're the type who likes to work overseas etc then it's quite a narrow degree and you won't have many choices in terms where you can work overseas.
Do car washing. I do it and it's a very good profession. Lots of money involved
Opinion from a person who's jumped ship 1000 times
My story (all within UNSW):
1. Started with Commerce and Civil Engineering
2. Moved to Commerce and Law
3. Moved to just Commerce
4. Moved to Commerce and Software Engineering
5. Succeeding in lifeEven with all that moving, I have actually only 'wasted' 1 year, so a degree of 5.5 years extended to 6.5 years (yes that's long, but you get so many life skills when the university party novelty wears off).
Also, I wouldn't say I am anything exceptional, I got under 90 ATAR when I did my HSC the many odd years ago, but I am Distinction average student throughout my entirety of university. You get what you put in.
If you are clearly unsure what you want to do, Commerce is definitely a nice go-to choice with only 2 days a week of uni so you can work part-time to get experience or do some personal development (because some fresh high school graduates tend to start off as genuine slobs with no human decency). It is flexible and provides many work opportunities (though unless you do specific pathways like CA, FPA, CFA, the actuary one, you wouldn't be called a professional). It's only a 3 year degree like Arts, but with more recognition (no offence intended, but facts are facts). If you are a truly shining star, your opportunities are endless with the big 4 professional firms, banks, and other consultancies. If you're not so grand (which is better identified earlier on than later) you can just dig your feet in with a job, payroll, accounts, marketer etc. But if you want to be a professional, the the Commerce field basically forces you to do extra study when you are working to get accredited so be prepared.
If you want to do engineering, be prepared to put in the hard yakka now to reap the benefits in the future. You are going to have about 4-5 days a week every semester, and you will need to study more to do well. Well worth the effort to be doing something to add value to society, so definitely something to look out for. You will only survive if you remotely enjoy the engineering discipline you choose, so try to find something you enjoy.
Never did optometry, but have many friends who have. The years and hours are long, however unlike engineering, the prospects aren't that good, but not that bad either, but you feel that warm fuzzy feeling that you are doing good for society.
I agree with this. Play the long game and be willing to swap around until you know you're in something you enjoy & will be happy in for the long term.
I disagree with the other people in this thread who said that taking extra time in your degree means you're going to be purchasing a house later etc etc. Better to invest the time in finding a job that you love and still wind up with a house a bit later. Than work a job you hate and have a house a year or two earlier.
I see my students (the high performing ones like OP) taking scholarships right out of high school that bind them to work for a particular company after they graduate (and thus that degree / industry / job). Funnily enough, the scholarships are always offered for the job roles that people wind up hating as a graduate employee after only 3 months full-time. And then once they've started that job, their firm starts paying for some compulsory credential on their employees behalf (think CA / FPA / CFA like the above poster said), which bribes employee to stick around for another year or 2 beyond what they were obliged to do. Next minute, they're 3 years deep in a job they hate, because they accepted a bit of cash from a company right out of high school. RIP.
Keep yourself flexible and do like Doggiie above, if needed.
On the other hand, I would say that a co-op scholarship (which doesn't bind you to a certain company) offers a taste into various parts of industry. It's not like you can't move around either.
It's a bit too late for OP to join the first year cohort, but spots seem to open up at UNSW for various years.
In my two years of uni, I've had the chance to work in 3 different industries.
Agree with what SSF above has said re. company-binding offers, though.
Haha thanks for your advice. Definitely helps listen to the story and advice of someone whos been there and done it.
You have to work out what motivates you. money? title? power? family? travel? perks?
Different industry and especially different roles in the same industry give you a combination of those things.
Finally there is alot of jobs that doesn't require you to go to Uni as well.
I want something that will give me decent money normal hrs. Also want good work life balance. If I can find something I like with the above itis would amazing but then again parents aaid all jobs eventually get boring and at thethe end, ofbut the day they think.its all about the money. Thats why they were especially disappointed whenin I didnt make medicine
pretty generic requirements. everyone wants decent money in normal hours. also what is your definition of decent? not ally jobs can break into certain income levels.
when you get older. you will understand why medicine is a good field and probably will push your own child into it again.
ATAR and UMATs aren't the end of the world. I chose not to do med with my high ATAR and went back for the GAMSAT after chopping and changing too.
In the end I realised I was just being rebellious and med was always the true calling. Just too ignorant to know all the different types of options available and finding something that 'fits' me and my values. It's weird but happiness was just a kind of state of mind and that I would never find a perfect job regardless of how high my academic and amptitude results were being in the top percentile. Being happy with my job came down to fining the type of patients i would work with and the team/colleagues that assist me. That and deciding my priorities would not just be on my profession, money but also giving back to the community and having real friends.
$$$ isn't king and even if you waste a year as long as you're learning, having a good time and experiencing life - it should never be considered a waste imo.
Dude, if work life balance + money is what you wish to achieve (which is perfectly fine), you may consider yourself lucky not having to go through Medicine.
Consider the following:
You just picked a job that pretty much everyone envies but doesn't realise the hard works required.
I've got several doctor friends who are working night shifts and on-call shifts while they embark on their specialist training (Yes doing all that while trying to study for their exams). Majority of them needed to moved out of town to be in a rural or interstate placement for at least 6 months (if not a year or 2).
Sure the money is stable but it's certainly not eye watering when you are a junior doctor / registrar.
The money kicks in when you are a qualified private specialist - and when you get there and your specialty the on-calls duty doesn't stop (usually shared between a group of colleagues in your practice).If not careful, you will find yourself in a high income, low asset, work>family commitment status.
Statistic showed suicide rate is higher and medico get married later.It's a one way road too, changing this career to anything else is difficult.
Did I mention that day in day out you'll have patient that complains , who wishes to be on disability pension , who has social issues beyond your wildest imagination and full heartedly knowing where 45% of your income is going to??
The real comfort you will have doing Medicine is knowing that you've done your best for the patient and because of that - their parent/wife/husband/children and the community that follows.
Happy to be PM if you need more info.
I think any of your other degree is fine, your eventual focus should be either setting up a company yourself or invest well to have passive incomes - then you are set for your goal of money + work/life balance.
Night shifts for some period of time. Lord take me.
Complain about that to people working in finance and IB. Or even a bartender.
Truth is doctors are overpaid. Good making most of your money from government handouts.
Do something you enjoy. I've seen too many people take a degree they did not like but did anyway because they had a high enough ATAR.
Some end up changing or "just sticking with it" and getting a job that doesn't really interest them down the track.If you have an interest or passion that lines up with a degree then go for that. You'll be more successful and happier in the long run ;)
"future job availability, earnings, amount of stress and work life balance associated with each of the future profession"
All of your professions will have jobs and earn a decent amount
They will all be stressful and you will have no work life balance. Also UNI won't be easy but if you 99.6 you are probably OK with studying hardcore
Land Surveying if you like a bit of indoor outdoor life..
Would you know what needs to be done to become land surveyor? And how is the job opportunities out there?
Crazy amounts of work, especially if you apply yourself and go the cadastral route to get licensed. Heavily skewed to oldmen looking to retire in the next 10 years so plenty of growth. 4 year bachelor degree
I studied law, mostly because I felt pressure that I needed to study it due to my high score. If I had a go again without the pressure, I would have gone into accounting or something else with numbers.
That said, I learnt to love certain areas of law, as well as market research. Ended up working as a lawyer and being a semi-pro musician on the side.
Uni, or your 20s in general, is all about figuring out what you want to do. I wouldn't worry too much about any choice you make now locking you into a strict path for life. Great work on the score, it's given you more immediate choices than most.
Dentistry
easy job100%. If I had my time again…
To the dentists out there, is the job very repetitive? If so, how do you cope?
lol. Why do you think they are going to be here? They might have forgotten the word bargain already.
It certainly is. Not bad for the first 10 years but gets boring.
Coping can occur, by doing a fair few hobbies outside work and taking time off, going on holidays. Make Dentistry your work and not your life.
Dentistry was a great profession to go into 10+ years ago. Lots of experience dentists earn $300k+ per year.
After restrictions on university places for courses (including dentistry) were lifted, there's been an influx of dentists. Much more competition to get graduate positions now.
I'd be thinking twice before this profession unless you feel extremely passionate about this career.
Agree with you! I started Dentistry when it was still excellent but it had gradually been declining during my time at uni.
Or more accurately, easy money (http://www.smh.com.au/national/tertiary-education/many-denti…).
If dentists agreed to be covered under Medicare it wouldn't be as lucrative anymore. Australian dental graduates are complaining they're underemployed (http://www.smh.com.au/national/tertiary-education/many-denti…) but still have no troubles charging $250 per check-up from the same customers accused of infrequent check-ups…
Most low-income families probably weren't even aware of the dental care subsidies for children (http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/child-…) and dentists would surely exploit the families that did at "special" prices.
Beyond these issues, health insurance exploitation is one of the biggest rackets in the healthcare industry worldwide. And there's no doubt prostheses manufacturers will charge us higher prices just because they can…(http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-22/costly-health-insuranc…)
You are oversimplifying a checkup - it may be one dentist, but don't forget they have a chairside dental assistant with you the whole time so straight away that's two wages/salaries. Then there are the costs of $100K X-ray devices, all the sterilisation equipment and a person doing that, and so on.
I am not necessarily defending pricing or arguing against anything you have said, except just to note you can't simply say a checkup should be "cheap" when there are actually many costs to the practitioner.
Sarcasm, right?
Easy job my foot.
But aren't there too many dentists out there now and its a struggle to survive for the new ones?
There are a lot. Older Dentists are not retiring, meaning that new positions are mainly in rural areas ~ not worth the sacrifice in quality of life.
It is a difficult time. Dentistry is on the SOL list, but may take 10 years to recover.
I am personally trying to get a Comp Sci degree also in hand and apply for the corporate/tech companies.
Lol. You got to be joking. I study Dentistry, work is ridiculously hard. Uni exams are risky as hell. Started to hate it. Attached a Comp Sci course concurrently, which made my life awesome!
Not to find out jobs, that need both Comp Sci and Dentistry hmmm….
3D teeth printing
Do you like repetition all day long in your career? As in better or worse? Better or worse? … Better or worse?
If not, cross optometry off your list.
I had lots of mates who did optom and changed courses. They changed to physio and medicine.
If you really want to do medicine then you can take a gap year, spam all the UMAT prep courses and then resit umat. Apply for every med school in every state. I know heaps of people who got in after resitting umat
Just some generic advice here but do what you want to do. For example, there's not much point earning $100K and hating your job when you can make $70K and enjoy your job.
Don't feel pressured to do the high ATAR courses just because you got the score. I probably could've done an engineering or science course but I knew it wouldn't have been worth it.
Only do law if you are exceptionally passionate about it and clearly understand all of the various career paths. If you are intelligent and passionate, it's likely you'll land a good job regardless of the path you take.
If you're not super passionate about it, then don't do law. Has one of the highest rates of depression and drug abuse out of all industries.
Fundamentally, find what your passion is and study anything which opens doors in that direction. You'll be much happier and if money is important to you, then you'll find working in a field you love will pay solid dividends in the long run.
Note: I'm not a lawyer, but a simple google search will validate the points above. On a personal note, plenty of my friends are lawyers. Universally they hate law and regret the decision, except for one who is doing some amazing international aid related work.
Oh, +1 for Abbott's point above.
It sounds like you missed out on medicine by vitue of the UMAT, now you're stuck. Sucks man!
Maybe ask yourself why medicine in the first place. Was it for the money, people, prestige or altruism?
Money - Comm/Eng or Comm/Law
People - Commerce
Prestige - Comm/Law
Altruism - You pick your motivations…You can always swap around with negligible time delay to your degree if your first year studies are in Law and Commerce.
I would do commerce + something computer science / IT / coding related…If such course exists… I was a 99.90 a decade ago and did Com/Law. Not regretting it but the law degree has became a commodity and not overly relevant once i decided not to be a lawyer.
Dentistry if you want good $$ and great work/life balance in your early working years.
I studied Comm/Info Systems. It lets you go either way into business or IT. Some unis offer more technical IT courses than others, mine wasn't super technical (UNSW). I'm currently in my 2nd year of work in technology in a big financial institution and i do like it. There is good work/life balance, reasonable pay and good career prospects.
Similar to this? I'm trying to decide whether it's a good idea to do a business version of information systems as one of my majors. It doesn't sound overly technical though. Can you shed more light on what you do in your job? I just don't know what ladder there is to climb if I choose to do this major.
This looks like a slightly more focussed "business analysis" version of what I studied. I did this course which lets you major in any commerce field, and major also in information systems.
https://www.business.unsw.edu.au/degrees-courses/undergradua…My degree sets you up most to be a Business Analyst or a Project Manager but you can also go into more technical fields if you want. I'm now working as a Business Analyst which means I essentially act as the middle-man/translator between the business and the technical delivery teams. Depending on the company and actual role, it can be more technical focused or more business focussed. I'm currently in a more business focussed role, but there are opportunities to do either. Ideally you should be able to do both.
Even if you don't want to become a developer, if you're at all interested in Info Systems, I definitely would recommend something that gives you some programming experience too. It really helps you understand how things "work" and helps you to picture what is and is not reasonable, even if you're not involved in the actual delivery. A database course is also beneficial to understand how data is/should be organised. Your linked degree appears to offer neither which seems a bit concerning to be honest.
I am interested also to do one of the below, don't know the difference though ?
Whats the difference between
ICT Business Analyst
Comm/Info System
Business Information System
Process EngineeringNo clue, you'll have to look at what courses are offered in each degree. I studied dual degrees Comm/Info Systems are recommend it. See my reply to BlazinPast above for more info.
What industry are you in now?
Its surprised to see this many suggestions for law. Try reading a law textbook and see what it is like. Then ask an unemployed G8 law graduate with decent average to understand how difficult it is to get a paid position when no one in your family does law.
how difficult it is to get a paid position when no one in your family does law.
You don't have Chinese connections or family.
All of them
Nursing
Consider;
Secondary Mathematics Teacher by day,
A selfless job. It grants many satisfactions to oneself as you watch many of the kids you teach - grow and mature.
Salary maxes at about 96k. The hours are much shorter than many corporate jobs. Yes, there will be nights where you will need to do work at home. No two days are ever the same. Highly rewarding. Job Security (FT). Holiday breaks!
Big statistic on new teachers quitting within the first 5 years, if you have a passion to teach and believe you can deal with the rat bags of this decade (and thereafter), this may be what you're looking for.
However, I can only recommend this path if you obtain a Teach NSW Scholarship (or equivalent) to guarantee yourself a FT job upon the completion of your degree. You really do not want to join the big pool of casual teachers who are desperately finding teaching permanency.
Mathematics Tutor by night,
If it's the money you're after, sacrificing a few hours a night should easily help you achieve your financial goals. I will let your imagination run wild with this one.
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I was in your shoes once, with so many opportunities at my feet - I went with my gut and never had to look back. I guess I was lucky.
Good luck!
i was thinking about this option potentially in the future. i love to teach but i dont want to it from the outset. I feel like i need to go outside my comfort zone and do something different and hopefully more high paying. One of my physics teachers from school said he wished he entered teaching later and he always complains how low the teacher's salary is. He's pretty experienced too with over 25 years of experience.
Everyone's views are different. I used to marvel at the idea of earning a six figure salary for a long time. However, once I started working for a few years, I realised two things;
i) keeping a good work life balance is very important
ii) earning enough money to reach your goals is all that is required, don't overdo itOtherwise, if you believe you can earn lots of money without having diminished returns of the time you have available for life, then go for that.
Best of luck!
dentistry bro , every single day
Do engineering
Make more better automation bots
Make a sandwich
Profit
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Bots of current value
Laundry bot
Bed cleaning bot
Carpet cleaning bot
Floor washing bot
etc
If somebody mentions roomba I'm a kill them
Roomba cannot liquid wash carpet afaik
Please as always prove me wrong
you got an ATAR of 99.6 and you couldn't spell 'frustrating' correctly? or you were too lazy to hit the 'backspace' key and correct your spelling errors .. LOL e.g. 'Thees'.
He said he was typing on his phone, so blame the laziness.
He can probably speak a second language, play a musical instrument and is smarter than >90% of Australians. I'd say he'll be fine.
Have a look at where 'i' and 'e' are placed on a keyboard. "medecine" is a spelling mistake, not a typo. "actuarys" shows a pretty poor understanding of plural grammar.
I agree the OP can't spell. Maybe he did a bunch of maths/science subjects? But hey it's the internet and I assume most of these threads are just bulls**t.
There's got to be a more useful way to spend your time than on a law degree or combined law degree if you don't want to be a lawyer or a politician.
There are other lucrative and stimulating careers that you can go into other than lawyer or politican without a law degree.
I haven't read any of the other posts but the best career that rewards you for good work, makes you feel good about yourself, adapts to your priorities as you age and will always be available, pay is brilliant, colleagues are awesome….
NURSING all the way.
Think of the options
School Nursing
Aged Care
Third World Medical Ships
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I agree with you. Would you know what course need to be done for nursing?
to be a registered nurse the pathway is simple in tertiary srtting - bachelor of nursing. however you can start work as an enrolled nurse completing a certificate through TAFE. good if you want to get a taste of what the job involves to decide whether you want to do RN
Some really good advice in this thread - my broader advice which has more or less been said is to pick something with a lot of subject options. Choose what you think sounds pretty good, or that you'd like to because you're more likely to do well in these subjects and you're more likely to find what you want to do long term. If you think you might be interested in medicine, pick up a physiology/pharm/path/anatomy subject and see how you like it.
I did a multimedia and media studies double major because I loved web design, got mostly straight HD's but when I got out into the workforce there were no mentors (especially not for women in Australia in the late 90s/early 2000s) and no investment in the industry and I just kept hitting walls. I then decided I wanted to do medicine (I know it makes no sense) and I did the GAMSAT, did pretty well, and because of my high uni scores, got into USyd med and am now happy as a doctor. No way would I have been able to do medicine straight out of high school because like you I had no idea what I wanted, I just knew what I liked to do (at the time).
Commerce/engineering sounds pretty good - or a law/commerce combo because a law degree gets you many jobs, not just being a lawyer, all the big banks and other big industries have grad programs that take graduates of law/commerce/engineering so you can't go wrong. And enjoy learning at university! It is an immense privilege to be able to go into that and immerse yourself in it and enjoy the education from people at the top of their field who have received their education from the same, and so on for thousands of years. Yes job prospects and earnings are more important, but the key to doing well is being enthusiastic and interested and really enjoying it. As soon as you get in, join some clubs, get on some committees and in your holidays try to do work experience or get summer internships - it gives you a huge edge over everyone when it comes time to graduate.
And congratulations on your high school score, you should be very very proud of yourself.
Banks have got grad programs requiring a law degree? You may be right but that sounds wrong. My guess is banks rate a law degree equal at best to any other and lower than some.
Here is a simple diagram which makes things very clear.
https://www.commbank.com.au/about-us/careers/graduate-recrui…
Disagree 100%. Do what you're passionate about. Also, you're inferring there are no leaders in the trade industry? Impressive it continues to function and be a major contributor to our economy…
OP, if there were anything trade related that you were fascinated by, in the medium term you'd take a broader lense than just the specific trade. Instead, you'd look to solve a broader instrustry problem with your own business.