Just wondering if anyone has ever submitted to the police any photographic or movie evidence of someone committing a traffic offence the them getting fined etc?
I commute to work by bicycle every day and have a camera front and back and many times I have whiteness someone breaking the law, red lights, not giving a cyclists the legal amount of clearance etc.
For some of the worst offences like blatantly going through a red light well after it's turned red, as a side impact can be deadly even at low speeds. Generally number plates very clear and time date stamped.
Has anyone supplied the police evidence and found out that there had been a conviction, does it happen or are civilians photos not as credible as then the ones the authorities raise revenue with better?
Just interested to see if it's worth it, even just so the offender thinks twice about it next time, or may even not do it again.
Traffic Offence, Photos Taken by Non Police, Offender Convicted
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That's exactly what a dirty rat would say!
Get'm boys!
The fish is talking…..
And a cyclist is talking about running red lights, hypocrisy much?
@Test Tickles: of course. All p platers speed and die in crashes, all commodore drivers are bogans, all tradies use their mobile phone while driving, no one has ever seen a bmw with working indicators, all 4wd owners tear up the bush, and no cyclist has ever stopped for a red light.
@Test Tickles: As soon as you start seeing the volume of motorists that use mobile phones, speed, run lights, illegally park etc etc, maybe we can start to talk about cyclists. how many people have been killed by cars in the last 20 years - 33011 (in Aust alone - Bureau of Statistics facts), number of people killed by cyclists - 1.
That pretty much tells the story.@Test Tickles:
In Victoria for financial year 2015/16 - 173,415 cars were caught running red lights. Just in Victoria, in one year…@Test Tickles: today I was driving for work, a couple of hours worth. I saw a few cyclists, all wearing helmets, none ran a red light (and didn't I cop a few of those!). I saw loads of cars. At least 6 mobile phone users, at least that many speeders and one clown speeding up the inside lane and onto the shoulder to squeeze into the long line of cars about 6 places ahead of where he would have been if he had joined the end of the line.
In the past few months I can remember one bicycle running a red light and countless dangerous acts of motorists.
@Test Tickles: Nah, I was referring to the part where the fish spoke to Tony, making him realize there was a rat in his crew……..
Today I was driving to work & I saw a multiple cyclists who ran red lights (including against pedestrian lights) passed illegally by trams that had indicators on & were stopping for passengers & nearly running over pedestrians on cross walks. I did not see one car go through a red light.
If In Victoria for financial year 2015/16 - 173,415 cars were caught running red lights. Then the number of cyclists running red lights must be close to 500,000.
Idiot cyclist does the wrong thing = he's the first one to die.
Idiot in a SUV tanker does the wrong thing = everyone else dies, then maybe the driver too if death is having a slow work day
Snitches get Stitches!
You should submit it to the Police so they can prosecute these idiots.
It is just matter of time before police takes them off the road …
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More like Traceyeagle
If this does work, might be a good idea to learn photoshop, in case I make some enemies down the road.
Software was recently showcased that allows people to edit the audio of anyone (adobe Voco) by analysing a short sentence of theirs). Other software shows the ability to edit a person's expressions and lips in video. Combine the two technologies and society is in for a hell of a time very shortly…
Look here: http://www.pro-tools-expert.com/home-page/2016/11/16/adobe-v…
Warne, Slater and Pietersen got an infringement notice for their Facebook video
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It has been done before, however the stories I have red on bicycles.net.au forums indicate that it can be difficult to get police to follow up unless there is a very simple and obvious infringement. For example, getting a fine issued for a close pass of a bicycle is very difficult, but something like running a red light is more straight forward. The trick seems to be finding the right police officer to take them too. Still, even without issuing a fine if the police officer talks to the offender it might make them think twice.
The amount of times I've seen cyclists submit to Dashcam Owners Australia to only take it down an hour later after people have proven THEY were in the wrong….
That's obviously because all cyclists are Lycra wearing, red light running, louts isn't it?
I took a photo of a police paddy wagon parked on the footpath outside Adelaide AFP building.
Can you imagine being in the middle of the city and instead of going and finding a park you just drove onto the footpath in front of where you worked and left it there. Well that's what this police did.
Did you take that photo to the police station to complain and get laughed all the way out?
There are certain rules that we must abide by that police (and other emergency services) don't and this is one of them.
Imagine you were being attacked by a group of thugs and cops drove by but they couldn't stop to get out of the car because they had to find a "legal" space to park in.
The fuzz regularly park in the No Stopping zone near my office to duck into Subway.
Emergency services never really get a proper lunch break.
They do have allocated "breaks", but if there's an urgent call, they need to ditch their lunch and get back to their vehicles as quickly as possible.
Are you saying being hungry is not am emergency? Can you please let my wife know!
HA ! you are a fool Diji1
please read Road Rule 305
I drove past a cop car illegally parked down a one way street and knocked it's mirror off. I just got my P's so my estimation of if I had enough space was off haha!
Try and make sure you also train a camera onto yourself to record your own actions.
If you have never broken any of the rules (knowingly or unknowingly) yourself, then you might be able to start thinking about dobbing other people in.
Otherwise, keep what you've got to yourself.
Well if I was in your shoe, I wouldn't snitch people in. It's not like anyone here is perfect and has never broken any road rules. Consider how you would feel if you accidentally broke a rule and someone recorded it and you got fined later.
The only time I would ever consider handing in footage is if there is an accident or if it required as evidence for something.
I'd be happy to report dangerous driving and have the camera turned on myself too. Sure we all break rules occasionally, but sometimes the rule breaking is so blatantly dangerous something needs to be done. If you've got video evidence why not try to make our roads safer, by teaching the dangerous driver that just becuase they can't see a copper that they might not be able to get away with a dangerous act.
I agree. It's not the accidental rule breaking that's the issue. The main issue is deliberate breaking of road rules/dangerous driving causing an unnecessary increase in risk for other road users.
you can hardly call running a red light an "accident"
I follow some guy on youtube in NSW that 'catches' law breakers and apparently sends them off to the police and they get fined. Whether this is true or not is another question but it cant hurt.
sounds like dashcam55…..
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spot on haha
been there
done that
spoke to police
made a statement and gave them a copy of my video
driver got a ticket, which they objected to, then we all went to court and i told my story with my video, the driver got found guilty
does that give you hope?
Yeah the thing to note is that the video by itself isn't worth much. If they contest the charge then you, as the person who shot the video, will likely be required to appear in court to give evidence.
So the procedure is basically to present yourself to a police station saying you'd like to make a statement about a traffic offence, that you have video evidence, and most importantly that you are willing to appear in court. If you get an officer who tries to dissuade you from doing so, ask politely if he's refusing to take your statement, which would likely be enough to get him to take it. You'd expect all that to take at least an hour.
Then assuming it gets contested, you'd likely be required to give evidence, which could mean anywhere from a couple of hours to a day spent mostly sitting/waiting around a courthouse.
It's quite an investment of time for something that ultimately won't get you much in the way of thanks, but if your sense of justice outweighs all that, good on ya! :)
I have whiteness
white privilege
i'm not opposed to the OP however things that rely on measurement and even time may not be admissable on a $50 china camera
Haha, dude, I'm just pointing out a typo…
I was going to report dangerous driving before, but the cop basically said that there really no point as nothing will be done. If they do the same thing another day and engage/initiate road rage with another driver, it'll be treated as a different and seperate case. This could vary from state to state however.
Some are accidents/misreading signs etc, some are just dkheads
Thing is cops are up to their balls in work anyway so unless you have video of someone running over a disabled kid then they dont care.
My camera set-up in my vehicle is for MY OWN protection against possible false complaints and/or prosecution.
Also is a great method to prove any wrong doing by other motorists, if it involves ME. (that's what they're for).I have a Dual Camera mounted in my Ute. Not in the usual manner. Being a Ute the rear window is right behind my head, so the reverse angle covers anything coming from behind, or overtaking.
The forward facing one, not only covers the obvious (forward), but also shows the interior (dashboard), Speedo etc… (handy for disputed insurance claims) if nothing else.
If you have a set-up like this, make sure to mention it to your Insurance Company, you may get a discount on your premium, (shop around, it may be a considerable saving).Until you don't have it for whatever reason and they void you claim
You on a mission from God? If so, I suggest you shoot other cyclists first. Then you won't need a camera.
Why's that then?
Because they need to be shot. They are a menace to society.
Do go on, I'm interested to hear your take on this.
@picklewizard: You are obviously a cyclist. Now, can you tell the truth and admit that you've run red lights, ridden on the footpath, ridden across pedestrian crossings, etc?
@Gershom: Honestly, on the rare occasion, yes, I have.
Now tell me, honestly, as a motorist, have you ever done any of the following?
- Run an amber light
- Run a very amber (red) light
- Driven above the speed limit
- Performed an illegal u-turn
- Performed an illegal right-turn
- Failed to give way (accidentally or deliberately)
- Used your phone while driving
The list goes on. We're no different to motorists, my friend.
Mate, I literally admitted it in the first sentence. "Honestly, on the rare occasion, yes, I have."
You are the epitome of the angry, ugly Australian. Did a cyclist kick your dog or something?
You've lost this argument 100%.
As others have suggested, for the blatent infringements (and not simple mistakes) I'd suggest you do it, if you have the time and ability to do so.
Every time a red-light runner goes through, it puts lives at risk. By not making them accountable, we as a society are saying it's not a big issue. Which it might not be in an isolated case. That same person could run the same red light 100 times and nothing bad happens. But, that 1 time a pedestrian goes to cross the road because they're in a rush and have their headphones in could end in tragedy.
And it may just take one infringement notice to change how a person drives, for it to be a wakeup call to them, and maybe even others through word of mouth.
I once sent a recording of a group of five in a sedan going up Mt Buller. We were all stuck at the crawl to the ticketing booth. These guys were throwing their trash out the window in great quantities.
I don't think they ever did anything.
Police don't care about garbage, send it to the EPA next time. They even have an app.
Sent it to Vic roads. Hindsight, shouldve sent it to EPA.
So does this mean you're completely turning a blind eye to illegal cyclist behaviour? Because there's plenty of that about too -
- Using pedestrian crossings to avoid having to wait at a red light
- Passing or attempting to pass up the LHS of a vehicle that's indicating a left turn
- Using the footpath as a convenience when traffic gets too heavy
The point to all this being that we all break the road rules at some point in time and the reality is that there aren't enough police out there to fine each and every person who does the wrong thing. Sometimes stuff just happens and we need to be grown ups and deal with it ourselves instead of expecting others to deal with our problems.
Just my 2c anyway…
hahaha beat me to it, i see 10x more cockroach cyclists breaking road rules than cars.
There isn't much people can do about it either.
Not like you can submit dashcam footage of a cyclist with some kind of number plate attached to their buttThe percentage of cyclists that break the road laws are significantly lower than motorists.
Cars run ambers/reds (hence this thread), speed, perform illegal manoeuvres, fail to give way, and so on. You're almost certainly guilty of at least one of these in the past month. Everyone is.
The percentage of cyclists that break the road laws are significantly lower than motorists.
Absolute undiluted bullshit. The % of cyclists that break the law is 100.
@Gershom: the percentage of cyclists breaking the law is exactly the same as for motorists and pedestrians.
For some reasons though, there are a lot of people out in the world that get really stroppy when a cyclist breaks a rule while they don't care at all if a motorist does. I reckon it's jealousy, car drivers stuck in a steel box while a cyclist can zip along a line of traffic in the open air and dont have to drive to a gym to get exercise.
Using the footpath is legal for cyclists (in SA anyway), so would it be legal to use the footpath to avoid waiting at a red light or heavy traffic?
I have this video of a cyclist speeding up to run a red light after it had already turned, was going to submit it to police but then I noticed the date was wrong and I didn't really care enough either.
Yeah ive often wondered the same thing. Not really for the small incidents but maybe for bigger ones like an actual collision i'd hand it in and see what happens. Otherwise i would be going to the police with footage twice a week.
I think as a cyclist you see a much larger cross section of the driving community as everyone passes you. But when your in your car you only see the immediate 5 cars around you so theres less chance of getting a crazy bugger.
This week in the car i had a good one where a ute faked a merge into my lane to get me to brake and create a gap for him. Trucks behind me didnt find it funny, either did i.
Yep another Cyclist ,who by the way plays no road tax ,rego etc deeming car drivers are the arch enemy of cyclists when in fact it is the other way around. See you in court super man.
he's not a cyclist but does live under a bridge.
to answer some of the naysayers, not in any order:
I have looked at the two videos that prompted me to ask the question, both the light is red before the car gets to the line, one a few seconds, and in both I can see where I've stopped at the light or turned the corner on a green turn.
I mostly use my camera to relive the lovely rides I do in the bush, i do way more Ks in the bush than on the roads. The reason I have cameras for road it to prove what inattentive driver hit me, as I much prefer to be off road but like the fitness and cost savings to myself and the environment.
I have a car and pay rego, insurance etc, it has done 13,000Ks in the last 5 years, so I do pay my way but chose to ride. Maybe think of being fit and lessening the cost on health care. Plus my wife drives a car and pays her way with rego etc.
I very much try not to break the law, both driving and cycling but sometimes the lights do not detect a bicycle so there is no choice. I also avoid riding on foot paths but sometimes the road is too dangerous.
To those that see my point, it may only take one fine to stop them, much better to fine them to stop them than have a death stop them.
My question was to see if others had done similar and had anything happen, not give the non-understanding drivers who have never enjoyed cycling a forum to bash cyclists. I do agree some cyclists really do push it, and give other cyclists a bad name, but most do it for enjoyment, fitness, cost savings etc.
If I can work out how to share the videos with hiding the number plates I will, then everyone can make up their own mind.Don't need to hide it. Post it to dash cam owners Australia for a lot more publicity
Yeah, I don't get it why there is all the rage against cyclists. Most don't do the wrong thing, it's too dangerous to mess with cars without taking any extra risks. I guess it's just jealousy that cyclists (I'm one too) are out getting exercise in the fresh air and don't always get stuck in traffic. The angry motorists seem to forget that if there wasn't a bunch of cyclists the traffic jams would be even worse.
Just remember: you aren't stuck in traffic, you are the traffic.
Hello there old friend ;)
I don't think it's the jealousy in great exercise. It's because motorists must share the road and treat them like another motorist, but they ride slow, taking up space and can easily get away doing illegal low-speed manoeuvres that red light cameras and dash cams can't prevent/deter unless a cop is right there to witness them.
With motorised vehicles (excluding electric bicycles), there's number plates to trace back to.
Trucks accelerate slowly and make it hard to see around. Buses do that and keep stopping on the side of the road for passengers. Tractors and other earthworks equipment drive too slow for traffic. These don't get the agro though.
I guess at the end of the day those that get angry think it's 'just not fair' that bicycles can 'cheat' the traffic system. I'm quite happy to take advantage of being on a bike to get through traffic too, it's one of the reasons many take a bike, to not get stuck in traffic jams.
So what if a bicycle runs a red light, 99% of the time it doesn't stop/slow any motorised traffic and no one has to take evasive action because the cyclist knows that running a red is pretty dangerous and misjudging the gap results in a hospital visit, not just panel damage.
Yeah I don't really understand the 'Rage' also. I'm not a road cyclists and IMO cyclists have everything to lose, not like a cyclist 'T-boning' even a Mazda 121 is going to harm the occupant.
But I live NE Melb fringe and get a bit peeved on the weekend with clumps of 20+ cyclists 2 & 3 abreast talking & riding. But I also understand the camaraderie so just bide my time (whilst cursing under my breath) :-)
The way to make traffic lights register your presence is to tape a magnet to the bottom of the crank. This will be just enough to trigger the induction coil buried in the road. A bike alone doesn't generate enough of a magnetic field by itself :)
I have thought about this a lot….like every time I am out on my bike and nearly get run over by some redneck.
What I was thinking was setting up a facebook page and posting screen captures when driver get too close or do something threatening to bikes. Kind of have it as a page you can join and post on. This would be a name and shame page but also can see if mutliple offences are committed then would be worth notifying the police. I doubt they can press charges unless it was an accident but they may warn a particular driver if necessary
Just ask Bill Shorten who was recorded using his mobile phone whist he was driving
I wish we could submit pic/movies of the lycra clad cyclists and their antics too…
There's bad apples in all camps, but I do find cyclists to be a bit 'holier-than-thou' when it comes to not only car drivers, but other people in general.
I was once turning left into a street as a pedestrian walked up to cross the road. As I personally like to do I stopped to let them cross, however just after this a cyclist came up behind me, slammed on his brakes and immediately started angrily gesturing and swearing for me to move out of his way. Sure Mr. Bike-man, I'll run over that pedestrian so you don't have to stop. high-five
You can submit video evidence to the Police as often as you want however they won't do anything about it unless you also file a complaint about whatever it was. Your video can then be used as evidence. Had it explained to me this way by SAPol.
What goes around comes around.
I ain't no snitch!