AmEx Platinum Edge Vs AmEx Explorer

Hi All,

I'm trying to do a comparison between which card out of the AmEx Platinum Edge and Explorer to apply for. I'm aware there are a lot of people asking which is best for them and that each situation is different so I wanted to apply some sort of formula to help sway either way and one that others could use as well. I wanted to get some feedback on whether my thinking was correct or if I've missed some things to take into consideration for when looking at a card for the long term.

A bit of background: I've had an ANZ First since I was 18 (now 28), always paid off closing balance on the due date and can't believe I've been missing out on, effectively, cash back this whole time which is why I have decided to apply for one of these cards. I got on board the ANZ Travel Rewards card but even that I think is still leaving money on the table when spending with AmEx. I intend to keep it for the Visa alone (in situations where they don't take AmEx) and the free flight. My partner will be moving to Melbourne (I'm in Adelaide) soon so I envision myself flying at least once a month - I'm happy with Virgin as a service and am happy to stick with this airline rather than have to jump around for the sake of long term point rewards.

Between the two AmEx cards:

Annual Fees: given that both go towards travel credit, for me the point is moot. I understand for some an extra $200 roughly a year is a consideration.

Sign up bonus: the explorer obviously offers much greater here, but I'm looking at the card in the long term. Yet, this is definitely a tick in the Explorer box.

Points earning: this is where I'm trying to weigh each other out.

Both are on different rewards programs with the Platinum earning 1 MR = 1 VFF and the Explorer earning 1 MR = 0.75 VFF

However, on a per dollar spend basis:
Platinum: 3 VFF/$ at supermarkets, 2 VFF/$ at petrol, 1 VFF/$ elsewhere, 0.5 VFF/$ for bills
Explorer 1.5 VFF/$ for everything bar Government Charges.

The Government charges spending (I assume things like rego) cancels out as they both pay the same.

I was trying to come up with a formula to see whether, based on two month's spending whether one should go for the Platinum Edge or Explorer.

Simply speaking, I calculated my Woolworths spending (that is, 3 VFF/$) at approx 25%, my BP spending (2 VFF/$) at 4%, my bills (0.5 VFF/$) at 4% and therefore the rest of my spending (1 VFF/$) at 67%

Based on this, I averaged a VFF/$ return of (3x0.25)+(2*0.04)+(1x0.67)+(0.5x0.04)= 1.52 VFF/$ which just edges 1.5 VFF/$ that could be earned on the Explorer.

This is not the best sample being only over two months but I made sure to delete all visa spending (they come on the same statement with the ANZ cards) and deleted the annual fees which I got charged for a more accurate monthly spend.

I have yet to transfer over my Utilities (approx. $80 a month) and Telstra phone bill ($100 a month) over to the card as I'm still working out whether its worth it with the surcharge. Currently with AGL at 0.55% and telstra around 0.3% it may be worth it. I think it was anything over 1% where it's iffy.

I think for me the explorer may just get the edge in the long run with the additional sign up bonus and when adding the utilities into the equation, plus I don't see the grocery/fuel average increasing (I live by myself and cook bulk for the week, veggies I pay cash at market which are a small percentage of shopping anyway).

Any feedback on my train of thought would be much appreciated as I could be completely wrong. By the looks of the formula, if your a family who would easily have a much greater grocery spend, particularly at the major supermarkets, then the platinum would easily be the way to go. For me, where I forsee majority of spending on social activities and domestic flights to Melbourne, I think the Explorer would be the way to go. Again, this is only the conversion for points to Virgin VFF which is what I'm interested in, so different goals may vary choice.

Cheers for reading.

Tom

Poll Options

  • 4
    AmEx Platinum Edge
  • 22
    AmEx Explorer

Comments

  • +1

    Get the explorer first, get the bonus points. Then sign up for the Edge and hope that your explorer points get linked to the ascent program then you can redeem them at the higher rate and any future earnings is also at the 2 ascent points per dollar on the explorer. Combine that with 15% Velocity transfer bonus and you are effectively getting 2.3 Velocity points per dollar spent.

    As you mention the travel credits offset a lot of the annual fee so there's not much of a cost for having both. Use the Explorer as your main card, Edge as supermarkets and as a way for your explorer to earn ascent points.

  • I cant say anything about Explorer, but I went for Platinum Edge after reading these
    https://www.ozbargain.com.au/wiki/credit_card_guide
    https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/193567#comment-2739556
    Have you?

    • +1

      I have just spent the last hour updating the Credit Card Guide.. have left it dormant for too long.

      Cards that were missing/never really mentioned:

      • ANZ Travel Adventures
      • AMEX Explorer
      • AMEX Essential
      • AMEX Velocity Escape
      • Macquarie Platinum (very very brief mention)
  • thanks for the links. I had a read and it does mention a good ROI on the Platinum edge, but thats based on the supermarket rate. The idea of my post was to suss out whether the percentage of my monthly spending made it worth it to go platinum or to go explorer, which the articles don't really cover.

    • another good site to visit is http://www.pointhacks.com.au/, they have in depth coverage for the earn rates and rewards program for various cards/airlines out there.

  • I hold both of these cards currently. If I were you, i'd start off with the explorer - with 110,000 bonus points by signing up via a referral (otherwise you only get 100k), you can transfer them to Virgin for a cool 82,500 velocity points. That in itself is worth 10 oneway flights from Adelaide to Melbourne (redemption of 7,800 points and $23.50 in taxes). To earn those types of points you'd need to pony up some serious coin ($220k) so it's a pretty good starting point. Not to mention the $400 travel credit which covers the annual fee - just remember it needs to be spent in one transaction with amex travel, so put it towards a trip that's worth $400+

    There's a bunch of referral codes in the wiki available here - https://www.ozbargain.com.au/wiki/american_express_referrals which'll get you those bonus points

    In terms of surcharges, it depends on how much you value points - anything under 1% surcharge is generally offset by the value of the points. A rough calculation of a economy reward seat ADL-MLB shows the value of redemption sitting at ~1.3c per point ($129 flight minus $23.50 in taxes / 7,800 = cpp)

  • If you're not too put off by the annual fees, have you considered applying for both? I use my Edge for grocery and petrol spend, and my Explorer for everything else. I signed up for both cards in a short space of time, and had no issues from AMEX with approval. I plan to keep both of these cards for the long term.

  • Wow, well done Op, you've definitely done your due diligence.

    I find through my own research that the Platinum Edge has the best point gathering card-ability. For example, buying gift cards through safeway/coles. If you intend to buy some hoyts ticket, instead of buying directly at hoyts with your Plat Edge (and earning 1pt/dollar), you can get 3 pt/dollar). You can do this for other stores that have their gift cards sold at the supermarkets.

    However, for me, this raises one issue. You will have to be quite strict on how you buy things; lots of forward planning. If this is you, great! However, if it's too much work, like me, I'd go with the explorer. While it does give you slightly less frequent flyer point, it is much simpler to use.

    Also, fyi, I remember reading somewhere you can pay your telstra bill via Paypal. And you can link your amex to paypal. You can thus skip the surcharge!

    Ps, if you're applying for any amex cards, use the referral link.

  • +1

    Get both! Both good in own way

  • I'd go at explorer - no thought required to ensure good value earning. Plus the signup bonus is much bigger (110k points via referral) which will more than offset the slightly higher earn of the platinum edge.

    Signing Up for both? Overkill. Keep the explorer for day to day use, and that way you can churn between Qantas/velocity/djones amex and pickup the sweet sweet bonus points for sign ups.. all different reward programs, so can get them despite having an amex already.

    You can only have 2 consumer amex credit cards at one time, so having both makes this impossible to do!

  • Regarding your Telstra bill - add your explorer to paypal and pay telstra via paypal, that way you get no surcharge and 2 pts per dollar

    Same thing with AGL - they accept paypal with no surcharge

  • -1

    In my opinion, get the one with cheapest/no annual fees since you save much more in Amex cash-back offers (e.g. Shop Small or store specific offers) than what you will earn through shopping using that card.

    • -1

      Why neg? What's wrong in my comment?

      • I negged your initial comment (not your comment asking what's wrong in your comment).

        I negged because, as I mentioned in my reply to you further down, I think there's serious value to be had in the ones with annual fees, especially with sign-up bonuses (notably AMEX Explorer and AMEX Velocity Platinum).

        The rewards points are superior and depending on how much you spend in a year, it'll be likely worth it. Of course it can be argued that it varies based on personal circumstances, but OP shared his circumstances, and it definitely appears that one of the annual fee cards would offer him more value than a fee-free one.

        • +1

          Appreciate your explanation. Thanks.

  • Has anyone with a platinum edge that actually got the 100k signup bonus when they applied for amex explorer?

    • +1

      Yes, confirming I did.

      • Did you need to cancel the plat edge before getting the explorer?

        • Even if they did, by the book, they need to not have held an AMEX within the last 18 months. The Explorer card has only been out for <6 months, so there's no way they met that eligibility.

          All it is is that it's not a strictly enforced rule..!

          .. but I don't think they would've cancelled their Platinum Edge.

        • No, I still hold both cards. Plenty of testimonials from others in the explorer thread / on the AFF forum who have had the same outcome. As illumination states, AMEX don't seem to enforce the 'no bonus points when existing customer /cancelled in past 18 months' rule.

        • @The Champagne Mile:
          late question:
          where are your amex points warehoused now - are they in gateway (explorer) or in ascent (plat edge)?

        • +1

          @powerhead: They are in separate Gateway and MR schemes. It doesn't bother me at the moment, as I'm currently transferring all my points over to Starwood, which has the same rate for all MR schemes.

          Some people have tried to convert Gateway to Ascent by ringing up and requesting it, but the outcomes seem to be a mixed bag (sometimes successful, and other times met with a flat 'no').

      • Is it a consistently unenforced rule? Anyone unlikely enough to have not got the bonus?

  • +1

    I think this is an absolute no brainer which has been summed up fairly well by potm. I also agree that you should try and get both.

    If, as you have worded your question though, you are after just one, it's still a no brainer primarily because of the huge bonus points upon sign up. 82.5k VFF points is huge and it sounds like you would make decent use of it. Your calculations imply that the Explorer and Platinum Edge for your spend are not very far off from each other.

    What I wanted to add (alternative ideas) to your spending pattern though was the following:

    • Supermarket spend @ Woolworths - you should buy eGift Cards from Cashrewards. This gives you an effective 5% off anything you buy from Woolworths, BWS, Dan Murphy's, Cellarmasters, Big W. In addition, you can pay with a credit card and it gets charged as a regular purchase (not a cash advance) which earns you points and allows you to keep the money in your bank to earn interest/offset interest for longer. After you combine this with the points you'd earn on the points, you're probably now at ~6.5% return.
    • This leads me to my next point - would you consider getting your petrol at Woolworths instead of BP? You're going to be trading the 2VFF pts/1L at BP for a ~6.5% cashback by using a WISH eGift Card from Woolies to pump at Caltex/Woolworths. On the other hand, you'll be earning QFF by pumping at Woolworths.. but that's negligible. It's about the cashback.
    • By pumping at Woolworths instead of BP, you can completely put aside your 4% spend at BP, because that means you'll now be getting a consistent ~6.5% "cashback" on your Woolworths purchases by using the eGift Cards. This may swing the balance in favour of the Explorer?

    Coles is a different story. There are ways to obtain Coles gift cards for 5% off but not as easily as Woolies. I think AGL/Lumo Energy are some of the options.

    TLDR:

    • Get both. They're both great cards
    • If you only want one, get the Explorer because the 110k MR points (82.5k VFF) is absolutely massive. Overall, it also gives you a more consistent earn rate which on average, should in theory be higher than the Platinum Edge, if you are willing to consider the ideas I shared above.
    • As another random bonus, you get "Smartphone Screen Insurance" on the Explorer card which doesn't come on the Platinum Edge. I think all other insurances are roughly equal between the two cards.
    • You don't live in Sydney, but if you ever transit to an international flight in Sydney, you get access to the Sydney AMEX International Lounge twice per calendar year. This doesn't exist on the Platinum Edge.

    The only disadvantage I can think of the Explorer is the $395 travel credit is $200 extra. This in itself is not a disadvantage, but the fact that it's non refundable and you can't use up a portion of it and keep the balance makes it less flexible than the $200 Travel Credit of the Platinum Edge.

    • +2

      I just thought of another card for you to consider.

      You mentioned that your focus is on Velocity points.

      The Velocity Platinum AMEX is a potentially really good card as well which you haven't mentioned. I would say in the grand scheme of things, the Explorer is still superior. Key benefits of it would be as follows:

      • 50k (80k with referral) Velocity points after spending $1500 within 3 months
      • Free domestic flight every year (which does not have to be booked in your name - the free flight is more flexible than the ANZ Travel Adventures one)
      • 3pts/$ @ Restaurants (anywhere that is tagged a "Restaurant" - so this includes McDonalds, Hungry Jacks, and your cheap Chinese takeaway place down the road - whether they accept AMEX is another issue), 2pts/$ on travel related expenses, 1pt/$ on everything else, except insurance/government bodies which is 0.5pt/$
      • 2 Virgin Australia lounge passes per year (like the ANZ Travel Adventures)
      • Entry to Sydney AMEX International Lounge twice per calendar year (like the Explorer)
      • Travel Insurance - eligibility is actually more lenient than the Platinum Edge, Explorer and ANZ Travel Adventures because the airfare does not have to be a return fare, and it does not have to originate in Australia

      The only other way you could earn the equivalent of 3 VFF pts/$ on a credit card is by using the Platinum Reserve which is very exclusive and hard to get, or the Platinum Charge which is has a $1200 annual fee.

      • I have one question - I don't travel much, so I am not after any of those benefits (airlines points, lounge benefits, travel insurance, etc.). If I am mainly looking to take benefits of Amex cashback offers and earn some points on my day-to-day shopping which I can later redeem as $$ (applied to the card dues), then in that case which Amex card with the lowest/zero or minimum annual fees that you recommend? Appreciate your answer.

        • +1

          There are 3 different cards direct from Amex with no annual fees which would more than likely suit. Plus quite a few other deals where you pay no fee for the first year and get a chuck of bonus points (usually on bank-issued Amexs)

        • @djkelly69: Thanks. Actually I have had Amex Platinum Edge for 1st year but I realised that I only use Amex for cashback offers and therefore any Amex card would do. While I can recover annual fees by selling or using flight tickets though fees were waived for the first year but it's not worth the hassle if I could avail all other benefits using a no-fee Amex card. Earning points isn't the main criterion for me as I am not a great shopper.

        • +1

          If you're insistent on not paying an annual fee then I would lean towards the AMEX Essential card (out of the free ones).

          bluesky is a big fan of it and he seems to have crunched the numbers to compare them (which I personally haven't). I recall seeing a figure of ~0.75% cashback equivalent return with the Essential.

          However, I think the value of having the AMEX Explorer and AMEX Platinum Edge are definitely superior, despite the annual fee. The Explorer in particular right now with the insane points bonus.

          Even if you don't use travel often, do you think you could use it on either hotel hire, car hire or flights? Even if not for yourself, maybe a friend with a discount of some sort?

          Depending on how much you're likely to spend in a year on your AMEX, it's possible that even after factoring in selling the travel credit for a bit of a loss of maybe 20-25% (and thus having a net annual fee of ~$50), you'll still be ahead purely based on the additional points you have earnt by having the Platinum Edge/Explorer over a free one. I'm not using cashback as the point of comparison because no matter which AMEX you have, you will have access to all these cashbacks.

          These are calculations you'll likely have to do yourself though. You'll have to figure out how much you spend in a year on supermarket spend (the primary benefit from a rewards point of view) to figure out whether the additional points you'd earn on the Platinum Edge are worth more than what the "effective" annual fee you end up paying (after selling the travel credit).

          Alternatively, if you're happy to chop and change every year, consider a bank-issued AMEX card with the first year waived. These will **probably* offer you more value than picking one of the fee-free AMEXs for the year that you hold it. Just remember to cancel it before you get charged the annual fee.

          edit: Just saw your more recent comment. Do you still have that Platinum Edge w/ free flight? It probably offers you better value than the "updated" Platinum Edge w/ $200 Travel Credit to be honest.. hopefully you still have it. And if you do, never cancel it until they get rid of your free flight!

        • @illumination:

          Yup, I still have the one with free Virgin flight. But as I mentioned, my usage otherwise is quite low so I can't generate much reward points. Which other benefits do you think I should avail with it?

        • +1

          @virhlpool: Sorry for getting back to you a little late

          Well the thing is if you sell the flight, that alone pays for the annual fee. If you don't try and get a larger profit and you just sell for the annual fee, you'll be able to sell it super quickly because everyone else sells it for $220-300 here. In addition, the cash you get for the flight is better than the $200 travel credit because it's literally cash you can use on anything you want.

          Also I personally would recommend selling it here as opposed to Gumtree or elsewhere - the Ozbargain community seems to have embraced the AMEX flights pretty well and it seems like there's generally solid demand and supply for it here (Classifieds)

          That in itself is the annual fee paid for (+ potentially more).

          The rewards points you will earn will either be identical to the AMEX Essential or better.

          It'll be identical for all purchases you make except at supermarkets (3x the Essential) and petrol stations (2x the Essential). You'll get these bonuses because the Essential simply gives a flat 1pt/$ everywhere (except utilities/telco/govt, which is the same as Plat Edge), whereas the Plat Edge gives you bonuses at supermarkets & petrol stations. To be honest, the double points petrol stations isn't that flash. It's really the 3x points at supermarkets that is a real standout.

          The Plat Edge comes with Travel Insurance. The Essential doesn't.

          The Essential comes with Smartphone Screen Insurance. The Plat Edge doesn't (the only thing for which the Essential is superior)

          In my opinion your Platinum Edge with the free flight is absolutely better than the Essential in all aspects except the Smartphone Screen Insurance (which I personally don't value too much).

          Does this make sense?

    • +2

      Loving the detailed reply mate, makes OZB community what it is. I found it useful too :)

  • +2

    thanks to all who have written. like knobbs said, great response from the community. I am probably undervaluing the sign up bonus points from the explorer as a few people have mentioned, so explorer looks to be the way to go! cheers everyone for the help

    • Sweet :)

      Just keep in mind even if you want nothing in the way of flights from the points, you can probably just get yourself a ~$500 Coles/Woolies gift card..! A Coles/Woolies gift card is the closest you get to cash which isn't cash!

      • Can the MR Gateway points be used to offset your balance just like the MR Ascent points for the Edge and is it the same conversion rate (i.e. 1000 MR Gateway points = $7)? This seems to be better value than gift cards.

        • +1

          Yes, 100%. I just checked on my gateway program for the explorer. 1000 MR Gateway points = $7.41 offset of charges on account.

  • Does anyone use their Amex overseas or for international purchases?
    I've always used my Citibank Plus debit card for overseas or international purchases, and I'm thinking of getting an Explorer. However, there's 3% foreign fee, and I'm not sure if they give reasonable conversion.
    But I am interested in their insurances such as rental car insurance, and also just earning points, as I often rent cars when overseas.
    So does anyone use it internationally, or only take the hit for extra insurance or other things, or just never? Or is there a way around it?

    • +1

      I generally use my citibank plus for overseas transactions. However, seeing that you will be using the extra insurance, the 3% fee might not be a big deal (especially since you're earning 2 points per dollar).

      Note, you can also use your points for renting cars, hotels and flights via AMEX travel. In which case you would not need to pay the foreign fee.

      You can also put your amex on your paypal account. Some rental companies may allow you to pay via amex, but you'll have to look into them one-by-one

    • Yes citibank plus for me. No foreign transaction fees are always a winner.

  • Thanks OP. Good work.

    Any advice for someone who has the essential card for about 6 months but like to apply for the explorer for the bonus sign up points? I understand people have gotten it but they had the edge which belongs to a diff program.

    • +1

      Cancel your Essential card, which automatically removes you from the Gateway program. Then sign up for the Explorer, which creates a new Gateway program (bonus points will only be provided when a new Gateway program is created, according to past forums). No point keeping both cards - there is nothing that the Essential provides that the Explorer doesn't.

      • Thanks for the advice. I will cancel it right as soon as I finished using up the Amex offers I enrolled in for this card. Shame I have to apply for the supplementary cards again.

  • When I buy woolies WISH egift card from everygiftcards.com.au, would it be considered as supermarket purchase (3 points/$) with Amex platinum Edge card ? any experience?
    Thanks

    • It is not considered woolies, I bought a giftcard thinking I would get the spend $30 get $10 back. It is listed under everydaygiftcards on my statement. So not sure how many points you will get.

      • -1

        The Amex offer said "spend in-store at Woolworths or online at woolworths.com.au. Wording is very straightforward.

    • +1

      When I buy woolies WISH egift card from everygiftcards.com.au, would it be considered as supermarket purchase (3 points/$) with Amex platinum Edge card

      Yes. 100% confirmed by many OzBargainers, including myself.

      • +1

        Thanks for confirming that.

  • I'm curious if the 3 points/$ would apply if paying the balance on a Woolies MasterCard with an AMEX Platinum Edge. I assume you could login to pay your Woolies card at 'woolworthsmoney.com.au' and BPay the balance using an AMEX?

    • AMEX AMEX cards such as the Platinum Edge & Explorer do not have the option of Bpay (to pay off other things).

      • I wonder if it's possible to use a Platinum Edge to make payments to a Woolies card in store. They definitely have in-store payment options, seemingly distinct from BPAY.

        https://www.finder.com.au/which-bank-can-i-pay-my-woolworths…

        "You can make repayments towards your Woolworths credit card by visiting any Woolworths supermarket or Big W store."

        Surely this would be too good to be true.

        • Nevermind… even if possible, probably treated as a cash advance.

        • That is extremely interesting and would be a game changer if it is possible.

          Replied without refreshing the page (didn't see your reply above).

          What brings you to that conclusion that it'll be likely treated as a cash advance?

        • @illumination:

          OK according to one Woolies store manager, yes you can pay it in store but not using a credit card, must be cash or savings account.

        • @jce01:

          Perhaps, then, the Explorer card has an "edge" over the Platinum Edge for those who find buying Woolies/Coles brand gift cards arduous?

          1. Purchase a Westfield EFTPOS "XS Gift Card" with AMEX Explorer. Maximum card value $995.00 w/ $4.95 service fee and $5.95 delivery (i.e. lowest potential fee of 1.1%). 2012 AMEX Gateway points earned.

          2. Use the card anywhere EFTPOS is accepted (Westfield claims it can be used outside their shopping centres)

          https://www.westfieldgiftcards.com.au/Online/Order/OrderCard…

        • -1

          @jce01:

          1. Better option: use Explorer straight up anywhere EFTPOS is accepted. Get your 2x points on every purchase. Save stuffing about with the Westfield gift card
          2. Best option: get both an Explorer and Platinum Edge so you get 3x points for WISH cards and 2x points elsewhere.

          As a side note, the Westfield XS and regular Westfield Red cards are identical underneath. Both can be used anywhere EFTPOS is accepted except Officeworks (no idea why either card doesn't work at Officeworks). So save the $4.95 XS fee and just buy Red instead.

        • @tomclancy:

          Yes, use the Explorer anywhere it's accepted, except it's not accepted everywhere, which is why the EFTPOS gift card is a backup. Still a handy strategy regardless of what AMEX you have.

        • @jce01: Oh I see now, you mean where only Visa & Mastercard are accepted. Understand now :)

        • @jce01: Can we use westfield gift cards to buy wish gift cards online?

        • -1

          @superready: unfortunately no. Westfield gift cards are EFTPOS, not visa/mastercard

        • @tomclancy: Isn't Red one valid only within Westfields malls though (and not all stores)?

        • @virhlpool: It's what they tell you, but the reality is it works everywhere. I've used it at Bunnings, my local dentist, 7-11 petrol stations, a nearby restaurant and a few other random places. Other OzBargainers confirm the same. The only place it has been reported NOT to work is Officeworks - which strangely Officeworks also do not accept the XS card.

          It would be a reasonable assumption to make that the Red and XS cards are identical underneath, just the branding and the gift box you receive is different.

          Both Westfield cards are not 'gift' cards in the normal sense. They are just EFTPOS cards with $100 loaded onto them. Very similar to a Visa Debit card, except at the EFTPOS terminal you press "SAV"

        • @tomclancy: I doubt if it was just plain and simple. Two different cards have no real difference except branding? I doubt it.

        • -1

          @virhlpool: Well from all OzBargain reports there is no difference. I've tried and used the Red in heaps of places outside Westfield. If you don't believe then you are free to buy the $4.95 activation fee XS. Each to their own.

        • @virhlpool: Oh and I think your comment above started another thread - in case you didn't catch it, it's a good read.

        • -1

          @virhlpool:

          Two different cards have no real difference except branding? I doubt it

          From the OzBargain Gift Card wiki:

          Westfield Gift Card
          Available Online or Westfield Concierge. $2.95 charge.
          Can be Used: Anywhere that accepts EFTPOS despite implying that it only works at stores in Westfield Centres.

          Westfield XS Gift Card
          Available Online or Westfield Concierge. $4.95 charge.
          Can be Used: Anywhere that accepts EFTPOS.

          So if the functionality is the same (i.e. both can be used anywhere that accepts EFTPOS, then what is the real difference between the cards other than the branding?

  • It may say that the Westfield XS card can be used where Eftpos is accepted but there is a big disclaimer saying it is subject to individual retailer's discretion to accept it.

    I'd hate to load up on a card and find certain shops not willing to accept and find yourself in a situation where the shops that do accept also accept amex at the same time.

    • Westfield gift cards (XS or Red) are not like traditional gift cards that you hand over to the checkout assistant to process. You swipe them through the EFTPOS machine, press "SAV" and enter the PIN.

      It is quite easy to cover the card with your hand and swipe it through. The checkout assistant won't even be able to see what card you are paying with.

  • Go for Amex Essential (No fees) if you are eyeing only Amex offers.

  • Hi all,

    Hope all is well.

    Not sure if this has been asked, but can I:
    - sign up for the Explorer and get the 100K points after meeting its requirements (I don't have any AMEX card)
    - earn points in the Membership Rewards Gateway program and keep the card for a few years
    - get an Essential in a few years time, link it to the same Membership Rewards Gateway program that my Explorer is linked to
    - cancel the Explorer and make the Essential the main card going forward
    - retain the previously earned 100K and whatever points previously earned on the Explorer?

    Reason is that due to life style choices etc., I don't know if we can utilise the $400 travel credit every year (I know there are other alternatives, but for simplicity, lets just play along) and it may come to the point that we may decide to cancel it but do not want to lose the points gained.

    Anybody with similar experience or knowledge on this? Thanks!

    Justin

    • Hey Justin, Instead of signing up for the Essential after holding the Explorer for a couple of years you should be able to just swap the card over to the Essential as they're in the same product family. Saves you on having to do another credit check too! That way you don't need to worry about the points carrying over either.

      Otherwise, if you sign up to the Essential whilst holding another card, it should automatically link to the same rewards program (that was my experience when I added the Explorer to my Plat Edge)

      • +1

        Hi nickomac, thanks for the suggestion.

        This makes the Explorer more attractive :)

  • I am currently trying to decide between these 2 cards. Given that the sign up bonus for Explorer is now only 50,000 - does that change anyones opinions? I was leaning towards the Platinum Edge before I read this post, but now I am thoroughly confused!! Any help or advice is appreciated. Thanks

    • All depends on your spending. I personally signed up for the Platinum Edge because of the free yearly flight, double the bonus points and it pays a higher amount of points for general spending. So overall, it worked out better for me.

      • Thanks for your reply

        The Platium Edge doesn't have a free flight anymore, it gives a $200 travel credit with Amex Travel. Would that have changed your choice if the same was when you applied?

        I guess my spending is just normal day to day spending. I live on my own. I don't earn a huge amount. So it's just general day to day spending and all my bills etc. I have an ANZ Platinum now but with all their changes about to happen I am shopping around for a new cc. I put all my spending on it and pay it off in full when the bill is due.

        • Sorry my bad, I actually applied for the Velocity Platinum card mainly because of the bonus points it had on offer and the free flight.

          But for comparison, the Explorer currently gives you 50,000 bonus points and $400 credit where as the Platinum Edge only gives you $200 credit and no bonus points. I plan on migrating to the Platinum Edge once I get my 100k bonus points. I personally think you should also go down this route.

          Send me a pm and I'll help you out because I just went through the same thing you're going through less than a month ago.

      • Sorry nurries, what do you mean by bonus points on the edge? There isn't a sign up bonus for it currently. Only $200 voucher and waving first year annual fee.

        • Using a referral code at the moment will get you 15k points on top of the $200 travel credit - what's listed on the amex site isn't usually the best deal about :)

        • @nickomac:

          How do I get a referral code for 15k? I have one but it only gives me 10k

        • +1

          @smith001122:

          My bad, referral is currently 10k - there was a previous offer of 15k iirc

    • I believe if you use a referral code at the moment you get 60k points instead (and the referrer gets 30k)

      Platinum Edge is great if most of your spending is at supermarkets as you get 3 points per dollar, 2 points at petrol stations and 1 point everywhere else (0.5 points for government and utilities/telcos/insurance)

      However the Explorer is 2 points all round (except government which is 0.5) - which means you'll earn a bunch more points if you're going to be putting through phone bills, insurance and elec/gas onto the card.

      I currently hold both and see the cards as complementary - starting out I'd go for the Explorer due to the higher sign-on bonus though

      • I was thinking of buying those paid cards at woolies or colea. That way you get the 3 points on all your spending. Does that work or I'm missing something?

        • +1

          That definitely works! Amex only see the amount of spend, not what you spent the money on so there's no exclusions. Just be aware that things like pre-paid visa cards have a loading fee of $6

        • @nickomac:

          I didn't realise the fee was so high tbh :( Thought you just buy one and keep reloading it however I went to coles today and they don't do them anymore. Can only buy $100 cards at a fee of $5 each… definitely not feasible. Looks like the explorer is the way to go, which is a shame.

        • @smith001122:

          You can get Woolworths wish giftcards for 5% off (I go via cashrewards) and I was getting the 3 points through the site.

        • @nickomac:

          Are they the prepaid $100 cards or reuseable cards? If the 100 cards I can't justify paying $5 for every 100. So I'm leaning towards the explorer now.

        • @smith001122:

          Actually, I've thought a bit more about that. So if they are 5% off, they are essential free as on a $100 card the 5% off pays for the $5 fee. Is that right?
          What would be annoying though is continually changing cards once the 100 has ran out.

        • @smith001122:

          So I've just had a look at the cashrewards website and there doesn't seem to be the prepaid visa/mastercard on there, only the Woolworth gift cards (correct me if I'm wrong), so this would be kinda pointless as you can only use them in woolies and the like. I'm want to use them outside supermarkets and earn the 3 points when I buy the card. Make sense?

        • +1

          @smith001122:

          You can use the Wish giftcards @ 5% off to buy giftcards from Woolworths (I used wish giftcards to transfer them to myer when there was a bonus point promotion). It'll almost negate the fee to load the card

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