I have no idea about car prices but I am thinking about getting a new Yaris auto. On Toyata's website they are running this special for $17,990 drive away. Is this a good deal or is this the normal everyday price?
Price for a new Yaris?
demiurge on 16/07/2016 - 23:14
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This is a listing of all the 2016 Yaris variants and their RRP. These prices are also usually listed without onroad costs.
If it is listed on Toyota website and says "drive away" don't let the dealer stitch you up and add other bullshit onto it like "stealer deliver" or "pre delivery checks". Push the point that the website says a certain amount and if they won't sell it for that price or cheaper, walk out and contact Toyota directly and complain that the stealership refuses to sell it for the advertised price…
Stealership, I like that. 👍
Spack, name something else in this price range that is as good as the Yaris.
After working in the automotive industry and having owned and/driven just about every other small car on the market, I can assure you that the Yaris is one of the better cars to look at. I would like to see your reasoning and ideas on what is a much better car for the money. What makes the Yaris sooooo bad?
Or is your opinion based more on the PS4 vs Xbox One pissing competition theory?
how about providing a 'better' car than trying to divert the topic and ignoring the question.
Still involved in the industry and have been for about 25 years. I do not work for Toyota and have never worked for Toyota or any dealer or supplier that operates along with Toyota. I have worked for Holden, Ford, Land Rover, Jaguar, Volvo, BMW, Hyundai, Kia and Nissan.
If I had $18,000 and was told to go out and buy a small, automatic hatchback, Toyota would still be one of the cars on the top of my list. Others I would consider would be Suzuki Swift (own one of these), Hyundai, VW. Hell, I would buy a Kia over a Ford.
And I don't know where you get your info from further down this post, but because the Hilux isn't allowed on mine sites because of air bag issues dues not make a trash manufacturer. I work in the middle of mining country, NSW and the Ford Ranger is the big ute here, but only because of "curtain airbags" and "5 star safety". Every mine site I go onto and every person I speak to on mine sites in the Hunter region, they all say the same thing, these Fords are garbage and that they just want the Landcruiser and Hilux Utes back on site.
Anyway, I am still keen to see your idea for a "better" small hatchback for the same money. Also keen to see why you think the Yaris is a bad buy other than citing "Hilux" stories that are totally unrelated…
@Spackbace: Still haven't answered the question. Regardless of the change 5 yrs ago, whats a better car in your eyes compared to the Yaris.
Yaris is better than what people think. I was surprised myself when driving a manual model. It's not as slow as you think it would be and handling seems good. It's just got jumpy ride issues because of its size and noise could be better isolated but it's a budget model. If you had cash corolla is a much better choice
Do they still shake like crazy when the speed is over 70km/h? It used to be one of my biggest nightmares when I had to drive a yaris around…
@Banana: lol. No, no serious shaking, however it's not as stable as larger cars. Kinda a bit like a tinny compared to a yacht cruise. 0-60 acceleration is pretty good. 60-110 is where you can tell it can be a bit underpowered.
Great on petrol too. Just sips 7l/100km compared to what I'm used to 16l./100k
The wife's 2009 model does not have shaking issues, neither does the 2014 model that I drive for work.
I have a 2005 Toyota Echo (very similar to the Yaris). In the 11 years I have owned it the only things that I have had to replace are one fuse, a battery (only once) and of course tyres, petrol and oil.
It is an excellent, reliable car.
This is the thing, Toyota are still banking on their name from the early 2000s. Unbreakable Hilux etc etc. Well in the last 3-5yrs they have barely bothered with R&D, and went cheaper on manufacturing whilst asking drug money for their cars.
Over here in WA, mining companies are choosing other utes over the Hilux because they haven't been holding up. Hilux was also the last duel cab to get curtain airbags (5 star safety is requirement for mine sites).So sure, people can think Toyota are the bees knees if they had one 10yrs ago. These days, different story.
yea but every car company does the same look at the Mitsubishi from the late 80s to early 90s they where great cars then mid 90s turned to rubbish and then they have been mediocre ever since had a few good models and a few flops.
Mazda has never been shining example of a great car but people still love them!
I had a 2009 rolla it was okay at best had issues with it but my partner wanted the car i would have bought a Tiida or a civic…
@Spackbace: no way i am Nissan man you can run those car into the ground! I have had an N14 and N15 pulsar.. I have been eyeing out the new models i had the SSS in both models if they release a 2L model i would buy it.
the old echos were great, took one all around nz and it was surprisingly good
Well I tried both a brand new Yaris and Elantra and hated the latter. Kia must have built their cars for midgets because I'm not even that tall and cannot sit upright in the elantra.
Ummm. Elantra is a Hyundai not a Kia
I thought they are just the same company like honda and acura
@demiurge: Nope. Hyundai owns a third of Kia. On the other hand, Acura is Honda's apparently "luxury" brand.
@demiurge: Umm…. My 6'9" fiance has plenty of room in Hyundai Elantras, Accents and i30s, as well as Kia Ceratos. He drives a Hyundai i30 and I'm tossing up buying either an Elantra or Cerato because he loves all the room they have and how well he fits in them. So either you are mistaken and didn't sit in an Elantra (maybe you sat in an i20 or a Kia Rio?), or if you did, you didn't try to adjust the seat at all.
@johnno07: To be fair, the cheap Kia's an Hyundai's are pretty similar. Getting into a 5 year old Rio is like getting into a Getz; almost all the interior components are the same.
I find a lot of cars don't have ergonomics that work for me. The last two vehicles my mother has owned have had a steering wheel which obscured the top half of the speedo - even if it was adjusted to it's highest position and seat to lowest.
2016 Yaris:
FRONT HEAD ROOM 39.3 in.
FRONT HIP ROOM 50.0 in.
FRONT LEG ROOM 40.6 in.
FRONT SHOULDER ROOM 52.5 in.
REAR HIP ROOM 49.8 in.
REAR HEAD ROOM 37.6 in.
REAR LEG ROOM 33.3 in.
REAR SHOULDER ROOM 51.8 in.2016 Elantra Sedan:
FRONT HEAD ROOM 40.0 in.
FRONT HIP ROOM 53.5 in.
FRONT LEG ROOM 43.6 in.
FRONT SHOULDER ROOM 55.9 in.
REAR HIP ROOM 52.7 in.
REAR HEAD ROOM 37.1 in.
REAR LEG ROOM 33.1 in.
REAR SHOULDER ROOM 54.8 in.So… how much are Toyota paying you?
Bargain hard with dealers, go to alteast 3/4 dealers and try to break each one. You could bargain and save anything between 500 - 2000 depending on season. Best is go around the end of month, they will try to sell it for less to meet targets
What about a polo? Interior is quite a bit nicer and it has a decent infotainment system with carplay
http://www.carsales.com.au/demo/details/Volkswagen-Polo-2015…Looks good too but I need auto as my mother will use it from time to time.
They have demo DSG Polos for a bit under 18k, whether or not you like the DSG is personal preference although they definitely aren't as smooth as a conventional automatic at slow speeds.
Servicing costs are huge in a Euro car though!
If it is under warranty - it is the same as a non-euro car. Also, service intervals are every 15000km's or 1 year. Not 6 months/10 000km's like most jap cars.
While the overall service cost may be higher - I think over the course of the year, they cancel each other out. So in that case, I would rather have the nicer car and grab the polo!
Good points - I had a 2008 Golf GTI until last year, it was outside of warranty and service costs were pretty high. I'm in the market for a new (secondhand) car now and would love a Golf R MkVII but it's just the maintenance costs that are putting me off!
Those high maintenance costs are nothing to do with a "european car" but costs that you'll have to accept if you are after a high performance car.
I had an Evo 9 in the past. That car needed a service every 5000 km's. Technically it was meant to be a 'cheap to run, japanese car'.
Mk7 R - is a VERY capable, extremely fast high performance car. Maintenance will of course be high. You'll need a DSG service at 60 000km's, haldex service for the AWD system and then brakes/tyres will wear out much faster than regular car due to it being a performance car.
Why not look into a second hand GTI mk7, that is still under warranty?
Also VW's when buying a VW/Audi couple things to look out for:
- 60 000 km's - ensure DSG service done, and coil packs.
(buy after this service complete, or well below this interval).
-100 000 km's - waterpump, dsg service.
(buy after this service complete, or well below this interval).If you do that, you should have some trouble free maintenance. The car should only need a basic oil change service, once a year - which really isn't that bad.
- 60 000 km's - ensure DSG service done, and coil packs.
Polo is a better car but I had endless problems with my DSG polo (latest model), dealer was useless too. I'm not the only one check out the vw forums.
I don't think you know how much an A1 is.
Aim for a discount between 5% & 15%, have a price in mind before you enter the dealership. And whatever you do dont say "whats your best price"
Basic vw polo round the same price
Skoda Fabia is a great car for around that price range.
Basically a bigger roomier better looking VW Polo with cooler features
Also - Holden Cruze demo would come in at those prices.
I've driven the Yaris and It seems to be so high off the ground and sways a lot through turns I just didn't feel safe in it (hire car)
Awesome car.
Only done under 2k so far in ours but its been really good. Getting about 6/100 for mixed, mostly city driving. We got a manual wagon variant though. For 17.9 though I don't think it would be too hard to get auto and 5 years warranty/roadside thrown in. Base model 66TSI should start from 15.9 then add $ auto + travel pack (and haggle for warranty/extras). Might be a wait though.
We test drove i30, Cerato and Peugeot 307. Kind of a mixed lot. 307 superior drive (not in OPs the price range anyway) and crappy equipment on base model. Cerato and i30 rate as equals, i30 better standard equipment (would look at previous version as almost identical). Wasn't a huge fan of either AFTER testing Fabia and 307. Had I not tested these I would be none the wiser and likely happy with either. Mileage is pretty crappy tbh for this day and age.
We came from driving a Honda for ten years. No problem with it but it was a dinosaur in comparison. Factory servicing wasn't initially that cheap either.
There was an advertised deal on Hyundai i30 a few weeks back for under $20,000. Victoria.
This is the correct answer.
OP you are obviously not taking this to the racetrack or worried about handling etc, but please consider instead
*Corolla
*Hyundai
*HondaSome others have suggested VW or Skoda. I agree these are far nicer cars but I always suggest to avoid these if you wish to keep for more than 5 years.
I'd avoid the corolla in this day and age. It hasn't changed much over the years. Initially because it was such a great car. Now, it's just dated.
Rio S-premium in auto for $17490 ex demo if ur in vic, i saw an ad in fountain gate shopping centre today
Cerato can be had for not much more
I don't get it, why on earth would you get a Kia when a polo is basically the same price? Better build, better interior, higher tech. It's a no brainier.
why on earth would you get a Kia when a polo is basically the same price?
- 3 year unlimited km warranty vs 7 year unlimited km warranty.
- 5 years of capped price services averaging $450 per service vs 7 years of capped price services averaging $390 a pop.
Yeah and one is a Kia. Automotive defeat. It's like wearing a pair of aero sport because the laces are cheaper isnstead of a pair of nikes.
@thorton82: That's a completely ridiculous analogy and I'm absolutely convinced you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
@thorton82: What is it about Kia and Hyundai that puts your mouth into gear without putting the foot on the clutch?
Are you old enough to drive?
@ChrisLevo: it's simple. Chinese manufacturers aside, Kias and Hyundais inhabit the bottom rung of the automotive ladder. They are the Ladas of old, they are what you get if you don't know any better. Ever noticed that the worst drivers on the roads are in Korean cars? They are for people who don't care about buying a good car or care about driving.
@thorton82: And that comment goes to show that you know nothing about cars.
While I can agree that the latest crop of new Chinese cars that have arrived in Australia are very poor quality, they are also priced at that low end price point. But to say that Hyundai and Kia inhabit the bottom tier of the automotive ladder just shows that you have no clues or are more likely brainwashed by Euro manufacturers. A car is not "top tier" just because it cost 3x the cost of something comparable from Asia.
And one thing I have noticed is that the worst drivers on the roads are the Benz/BMW/Audi type of drivers. I generally find that they are the types who don't really care about their car as they have money to burn. It's more of a pen¡s extension than it is a car. I find that people who buy "peasant class" vehicles are a lot more careful and that is generally because they have them on a pocket burning loans or they saved up for years to buy a nicer car than the 12yo Toyota Corolla they had before it.
@thorton82: So, I am among the worst drivers because I drive a spanking new Sonata?
As always, I bask in the warmth of the depth and breadth of your sweeping BS generalisations.
@pegaxs: I'm not getting into a slanging match with you, but if you think that Korean cars are in anyway comparable to German cars, you are delusional. On no level does a Kia compete with a Benz. Sit in a Kia, then sit in a VW. The quality difference is astounding. The Kia feels like a car from a decade ago at best. The materials quality is woeful.The technological differences are massive, the Koreans don't even use the gold standard ZF8 gearbox that pretty much everyone use. Instead you are still lumped with 5 and 6 speed slug boxes. The engines are underpowered and generally speaking years behind European technology, they don't make the power and lag in real world fuel economy. Even if they supposedly do make the same horsepower on paper, having driven them, there is no way a Korean horsepower is equal to a European horsepower. The power bands are a joke in most of the lower capacity engines. Saying that Korean cars don't inhibit the bottom rung of manufactures shows a lack of real world perception. While a modern Kia is certainly better than a decade old Kia, it's still a bottom rung car of last resort, something you buy when you don't know any better or have no other options. Aspiring to own a Kia is a pretty pathetic aspiration. That's not to say the Korean made Holdens are any better however. Anything out of that country can be tarred with the same brush. Even their top of the line Hyundai Genesis is a joke compared to an equivalently priced Mercedes or BMW. Not only do you lose everything on resale, but sitting in one is like being in the back of a bad 1980s limousine.
@thorton82: This is the automotive version of "git gud scrub".
And you're right, there is no comparison between an Audi A1 and a Hyundai Accent. You know, apart from the fact you could buy 3 Hyundai's for the price of one Audi. When was the last time Mercedes Benz won best small car under $20k???
But you have the typical classic, not plastic boring rhetoric about you. My parents own a Genesis and are happy with it. And for what it had in it, the same in a German vehicle world have cost twice as much. So your trying to tell me that the resale value on a high end Range Rover or BMW is any better? I would rather start at $70k and lose half than to start at $150k and lose 1/3rd.
What OP was asking about was something in their budget. Sure, everyone would love a BMW 1 serses and it's not that they don't know any better, it's just not everyone has mummy and daddies inheritance money to waste on a $30k small car. So anything you suggest is almost pointless. It's so far off topic, it's hard to tell if you're trolling or actually believe the garbage you emit.
And saying "I'm not going to engage you" then going on some apple vs orange diatribe of epic proportions is like that person at a party that says… "I'm not a racist, buuuut…"
And if you seriously think that a 2016 Kia is on the same quality level as a Lada, you need to get out more. If you think that a VW in the same price bracket as an equivalent Hyundai is light years ahead, you need to pull your head out of your backside and actually go out and look them… INB4: inevitable wall of text
You don't have to buy an A1 … but Thorton gets my +vote; the polo is a much better car. Can be had for a similar price to the yaris.
http://www.carsales.com.au/demo/details/Volkswagen-Polo-2016…
1.2 Turbo is much nicer to drive than a 1.5 or 1.3 non turbo that comes in the Toyota. Interior build quality is also miles ahead.
New Kia's and Hyandai's are getting twin clutches with turbo's so they are finally catching up to european cars in terms of power delivery and driving dynamics! Cabin quality has also SIGNIFICANTLY improved over the last 10 years. So I don't agree with him there.
But toyota is being lazy still running non turbo 1.8's coupled with lazy CVT gearboxes…
@pegaxs: now you are trying to steer the argument in your own direction. I never mentioned Range Rovers and only mentioned a Mercedes because you initially mentioned 'top tier manufacturers'. Not as a viable alternative but to contradict the emotive drivel you posted. You can get a late second hand or demo Audi A1 for near $20k, and a Polo, essentially the same car as an A1 starts well below $20k. Invariably better cars than anything from Korea or Japan, both technologically and aesthetically. When I say I'm not going to engage you, I mean I'm not going to get into an insult throwing slanging match as you tried to do in your first post.
@pegaxs: yep. It's those Euros from my experience too. Avoid dark green cars. They seem to be the worst drivers
@khonfahm: They might be finally getting onto the page in theory, but the execution is still not at the same level as the Europeans. They are about 10 years too late to the party, the game has moved on.
@thorton82: Do you even read reviews? Just dig up some VW Polo vs Hyundai i20 or Kia Rio reviews. A very large majority of them peg both Korean car makes above the Germans. They seem to agree on one thing, that the Koreans have taken their build quality to the next level and it is now on a par or better than "German" cars.
So, how have they not caught up? How has the industry moved on? Are all these review sites and publications all wrong? I'm interested in your inside automotive industry knowledge.
Anyway, onto VW Polo Vs Koreas big two;
Similar price to buy. Similar build quality. Similar styling. Only the ongoing costs on anything euro is going to send some people broke. As someone mentioned above, warranty is much better on Hyundai than VW. You would only offer 7 years if your vehicles are up to the task. Let's not get started on servicing costs. So, you still think that these cars are the same price bracket, humour me. Buying a VW is like buying a $39 printer and then having to put $80 cartridges in it. What they miss on the initial sale is certainly made up for in servicing and spares. Cost of ownership is astronomical on Euro cars. I know this as well, I own a Smart car.
So, your diatribe is still just that. You have nothing to back up what you are saying other than… "Because".
Now, back on topic, yes, the Yaris is an ordinary car. Yes you can get a Euro car for a similar price. But in the long run, the reliability, parts availability, servicing costs, warranty problems, cost of ownership, resale value and the fact that Yaris outsells VW Polo should be testament enough that it is a good enough buy at this price. Your VW on the other hand, would not.
@pegaxs: Better than reviews, I've been in Kia hire cars, and countless VWs. I would never buy a car in this class, but let's face the facts. Driving a Kia/Hyundai/Daewoo is just embarrassing. It's like you've given up.
Arguing with you is like arguing with a brick wall, you claim that I have nothing to back up what I am saying other than 'because', yet you do exactly the same thing in your post. You simply offer your own incorrect personal opinion, trying to justify your terrible taste in automobiles, while highlighting your complete lack of understanding of the real world.
Your examples are laughable. A Polo is not going to send anyone broke, it is the cheapest car VW make. They barely cost anything to buy new. A Smart car is not an expensive car to own either, you need to get some real world perspectives on costs. And claiming that the VW is considerably more expensive to service without backing it up shows the depths and sophistication of your argument. The Yaris has (pain in the ass) 6 months service intervals, and the yearly cost under fixed price servicing is around $300. The VW has yearly intervals at a cost of around $400. Considering what you would save in fuel in the VW in real life driving, the VW would be overall cheaper to run.
So it's to be expected on a budget site you will get some supreme tight arses, but your non sensical and attacking arguments based purely on personal opinion and emotion rather than logic, which coincide with you accusing me of the same mean I'm out. Im not her to face a barrage of digs and personal attacks. I stand by my first recommendation. Buy a Polo.
@thorton82: Daewoo? Well that confirms you are well outdated on your industry knowledge.
So of the 100,000+ new Hyundai cars sold last year, almost double VW sales, you're saying these people have just given up? Or are you just trying to say… "Git gud, scrubs."??
And arguing with you is like… Totally off topic. You present a wrong opinion and defend it with no backup. I'm not arguing with you. You are wrong. That isn't an argument. I provided information that OP required. You spewed forth your own personal opinion based on… Well, nothing so far, even though I have asked.
As for the Smart car, I had to get the door key remote head replaced today. Any idea how much. Let's say, $500 may cover it and some change. I was told I was lucky it didn't need an ECU. You know how much my wife's Suzuki remote key costs? About 1/4 of that. But hey, you dont listen to logic, so I'm not going to bore anyone else. I have worked for Euro and Korean stealerships. Take it from me through first hand experience, Euro cars are NOT cheap to repair or buy parts for. But you know, don't let facts or experience get in the way of a good discussion.
And my non-sensical drivel is based on real world experience. It's based on searchable information. It's based on tangible evidence and backed up by many many motoring blogs, articles and posts. And my information is based on my opinion? Don't know how you worked that out, but fair enough. I don't care what car OP buys. But your information is misleading. I don't mind the Yaris, and it would no be my first choice, but offering someone an alternative based on opinion was also not anything I did. I don't back any car maker, but I know idiocy when I see it, and someone looking for a cheap, reliable A to B transport asking a simple question, it gets an answer. They didn't ask what would be better, but since you offered, it turned out to be the wrong information.
And good on you for sticking with Polo. They are a great car. Never said you were wrong there. I only said you were wrong making a statement about Korean cars all being trash. And since your knowledge extends to about 2008 and no further (re: Daewoo) or on beaten to death rental cars, I am still saying your knowledge of current Korean cars is non-existent. If VW Polo is so superior, why don't you see many of them as rentals??
I am glad you have given up though. Constantly shutting your munted opinion down was getting tiresome…
Sheesh, Daewoo? Really.
Edit: Service / ownership cost breakdown because someone tells lies in their post… I have selected a range of cars based on a low spec. ie: all small cars, 1.4 to 1.6, all auto, similar in purchase price.
VW Polo service: 15k/12mth: $394 30k/24mth: $394 45k/36mth: $457 60k/48mth: $629 Source
Toyota Yaris service: $140 capped price, recommended every 10,000 or 6 months ($280 / year) up to 3 years or 60,000km Source
Hyundai Accent Service: Every 12 months or 12,000km, capped at $239 except 60K/48 months, this is $339. Source
Kia Rio Service: 15K/12mth: $287, 30k/24mth: $363, 45K/36mth: $331, 60K/48mth: $667 (HOLY SH!T Kia! you think you're VW or something??) SourceAnd cause you all like maths, lets talk fuel economy vs price…
The average fuel economy is about 5.0l/100km on a VW and about 6.0l/100km on just about everything else mentioned here. Dont forget that the VW would require min 95 octain fuel (turbo charged and all), lets call that $1.40/l, and the others could run on E10, so lets make that $1.25/l (these are just general prices around my area of Hunter Valley, NSW. before anyone gets angry with those prices). Lets say a return trip to Sydney for me is 400km. The VW used 20l worth of fuel ($28). The others used 24l worth of fuel ($30 worth). That is a saving of $2 for that trip. Now, lets say the only cost we have to care about is the purchase cost, no service costs or rego or anything, just recouping our price difference. The Yaris is $18,000 on road, the VW is $19,500. That leaves us with a $1500 difference. How many KM would it take for the fuel economy to start paying off on just the purchase price. We already know that there is a $2 difference in 400km, so lets divide $1,500 into that. What we get is 750 x 400km trips for that $2 price difference. So lets add them up and we get… 300,000km. So, if I have this right, we would need to own and drive this VW for about 300,000km before we would see a return on your extra $1500 investment. So, yes, Technically, you are right… it would pay off "in the long run" if servicing was "free" but it isnt ;)
Yep, cost of ownership of the Polo is just sooooo damn cheap and the extra investment will pay for itself… eventually…
In fairness yes Thornton is a nob
But also, having looked at, and test driven, all of the similar cars in question I can say in my own experience that a VW polo has a MUCH MUCH nicer drive. Partly because it has a better engine, partly because its clutch and gearbox isn't trash and partly because it feels more sturdy on the road.
Euro servicing is a (real) moderate downside. Yes it is more expensive. Not just because they are "euro" but also in part because a lot of the euro dealers are owned by the same people so they can set whatever price they want.
And TBH polo interior is mildly nicer. But it's all plastic in this price range anyway so… How big a deal that is to a buyer is questionable
All things considered I am glad I got my polo
Assuming you don't be unlucky enough to get a lemon, I'm sure you'll be happy enough with any new car in your budget though.
@sagiballs: Oh, I agree. The Polo is a nice car. And so it should be for the price premium. My issue comes from people saying something is "trash" when it isn't. Or saying that a Polo is as cheap to own as an Asian built car.
And I am happy with my Smart car. It's plastic as any other junker. It has no features and is noisey. Ride quality is rubbish and the cross wind drive is scary as. Don't ask me about freeway speeds in this thing… But it costs next to nothing to register and I put fuel in it once a month. It's no where near worth the price they ask. What you get compared to what you pay for one is just ridiculous. But it's the car I wanted, warts and all. No one could have talked me out of it…
Would I recommend it? Not really. But would I trash other car makers based on my experience with it. No.
Trash is a relative term. A throwaway comment if you will
I can say that the Ford Fiesta has a terribly clunky gearbox.
Suzuki swift (Mrs has one) has a terrible feeling gearbox with a very poor clutchExperience is all subjective. If you're happy with your car then go for it.
I wouldn't recommend these vehicles in my experience having driven them multiple times
But the Polo is an ugly boxy looking car.
But the Yaris or the swift is good looking?
Unless you are a teenage asian girl the price is your dignity.
I don't need my car to compensate for my masculinity ;)
And what makes me laugh… Do nothing but offer it in a turbo, AWD version with a "Rally" sticker on it and all the cool guys would be driving one… :D
So make a completely different car? Even if it was group B spec I still wouldn't buy a Yaris.
OK well said, I will pay that one :-)
I once read a guide online best way to get a price on a new car, email all the dealerships with something along the lines:
Hi,
I am after Model X with feature A,B,C etc. (Be specific, do not give them room to negotiate.)
I have finance / cash already sorted. I do not require anything but your lowest price.
I will only listen to your first offer. The best offer I receive today, I will purchase.Kind Regards
FName SName
Telephone
I don't know if this works anymore, but I definitely recall saving a few $k off the advertised lowest that I saw in past years.
As someone who is in the industry and sells cars, I can tell you this is almost right. Pretty close. If I got that on an email, I would reply with full RRP.
My best advice to people is:
Do not get emotionally attached to any vehicle. Sales guys can smell it.
Have a make, model and spec list sorted before you walk into a stealership.
Be ready to buy that day. Tell them that.
Have a maximum price worked out before you go in, but be reasonable. No dealer is going to knock 50% off a vehicle just because you mention secret catch words.
Be prepared to compromise. If you want silver, but all they have is grey, red or yellow, use that to bargain. Take the grey they have, but dent their "stealer delivery" if you still want the silver, be prepared for a "transport cost"
Don't use stall/get out tactics. Oh I have to ask my wife/husband. You will get RRP.
Don't listen to "this offer is only good for today". Rubbish. But if you are only there to bust a salesmanship balls to take his offer to another stealership to get it beat, at least have the courtesy to take their offer back to the original guy and ignore the "this deal is only good until you leave the dealer."And the two biggest things I think that work the best…
"No thanks. That price isnt what I was hoping for. Thanks for your time" and just walk out. Even if that car was everything your heart desires, be prepared to walk out. You can not win against a guy who haggles for a living. If you walk out, he needs to sharpen his pencil to get you back as he can't convince the back of your head to buy anything.And, as others have said here, end of month. Go in with cash ready to go about the 28th. Sales guys who need to meet target will be on you like bees to honey. They would throw their own grandmother in if they knew it would get you across the line.
Why must it be new?
You could get a very nice used car for that money. Even a used Corolla beats a new Yaris.I got Bugaty vayron
Peasant much, I have the Chiron.
Weak, I prefer my jet
eneloop powered vayron
Korean-made Eneloop powered Vayron.
Thrust power
I thought Eneloops were made in Japan…
That is not a good price; I looked at that car a few months ago and was quoted $18k.
Prior going into the stealership, make sure you have:
• a good poker face
• a set price that you are willing to pay
• the capability of bs-ing like the stealership reps
• the ability to walk away
• researched about the car
• someone who is 'car-smart' go with you
• no heartstrings attachedAlso, never pay the advertised price for cars and going car shopping towards the end of the month is the best time. Goodluck.
Excellent advice! Much better and easier to read than what I wrote above…
I just wanted to add… Do NOT buy into the "options" they will offer at the end of the sale. A business manager will come down and try to sell you all types of crap. Rust eliminator devices, sound deadening, titanium paint protection, fitted floor mats, window tinting. As soon as the business manager turns up, just look them dead in the eye and say "no thanks."
For example; They will get a guy in to do window tinting who will charge them $250 and the stealer will charge you $1200. A $10 tin of wax applied to your car as "paint protection" runs about $600… The list goes on.
Avoid the extras. They are much cheaper elsewhere…
I would've said a new Swift, but too many people got aggressive and crapped all over my comments and acted like I had just abused their mum.
- $15,990 drive away for base (so a $2k saving on the Kia, $17,990 drive away if you wanna add Garmin GPS, alloys & fog lights.
- 5yrs/100,000km CPS @ $199/6 months/10,000km (2yr and 4yr are $249)
- 5yr/140,000km warranty if you maintain that CPS
- Chain driven (which I've discovered so is the Yaris), so no belt to deal with at 100,000km
- Best in class resale value (sure, that's personal opinion, but I've seen the trade-in & resale prices)
- Japanese reliability
- Very nice to drive with good road handling.
Sure it's just a 4-speed auto, but it's reliable and has never had warranty issues.
My cousin owns a Swift, my boss's sister does too. We, as salespeople, recommend this car to family.
Oh, and the new one getting made now will be fun (turbo engines!)
Argue against me, I don't care. Neg me, I don't care. But for this price range it's damn hard to go past.
I like both the swift and the yaris I think they are both good cars.
I think this is my first up-vote for you Spack! I would not have crapped on this post. I own a Swift, and as round town transport, it can't get any better than these.
These are by no means a spectacular vehicle, but they are just really great little cars. We tossed up a few makes when we looked at buying, and the Swift just made sense. If all you need to do is buzz around town, pick up a few things, have a small family, dropping kids at school and the odd run up the highway to go to the beach on the weekend, they are a really hard car to pass up…
At my daughters Childcare centre, there are 4 Swifts parked in their staff car park of 6 cars. So they must be doing something right…
So, everything you put in your post, I have to agree with.
New ones coming out in 6 months will have turbo engines (well in the glx and sport). New Swift Sport will have about 10kw more than the current, but also be turbo… :)
OP I was in your exact situation last year and for around 18k I got a used 2014 Corolla. If you can find a corolla its much better in terms of comfort and its not much bigger than a Yaris.
Thanks, I might do that but I have no idea what to look for in used cars and am afraid of getting a lemon.
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Check Car Sales to find out their normal day price. Find the cheapest in the country for like for like and then use that as a starting point to negotiate