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26" 36V 500W Rear Wheel Kit $105, 2 leftSold out
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No batteries for sell now, thx.
With the batteries of those boards exploding or catching fire, its a smart move to shift the risk to someone else who sells them.
How about sell us the whole package with 200W motor + battery for $200?
You may want to research how much a 10Ah 48V battery costs before asking that.
They may have special deals with their suppliers.
@PW:
I'll take that as a no then, that you have no idea how much they cost, and you don't even want to do a simple eBay search to get an idea.
Lazy.
Isn't this illegal in AU? The motor power is way above 250W.
with 1000W, the bike police can't catch you.
Is it possible to compete with highway police?
yes, unless it's The Main Force Patrol (MFP)
Legal for off road use.
It's illegal for road use, but with no legal consequences if you don't get caught. On that though, you can also put in a limiter system (restrict to 250w) and it will be legal if you want a toggle switch for road/offroad.
well there's never consequences if you don't get caught.
uhh, God will judge you.
@altomic: I think I just found her behind my couch.
Edit: Nope it was just an old slice of burnt toast.
Not in NSW at least.
http://roadsafety.transport.nsw.gov.au/stayingsafe/bicyclist…
What bicycles are legal?
Legal bicycles from 1 October 2014 include:
Regular bicycles with no engines attached
Complying 250 watt pedalecs
200 watt power assisted pedal bicycles that have an electric motor
metric W or Chinese W? =D
There's not such a thing as Chinese W.
Chinese W is supper W
Big W
On private property, they are legal. Anywhere in public, they are illegal.
If you get caught on the road with an unregistered vehicle like this, fines won't be cheap.
yep…100%!
its not illegal to own or use on your own private property
it is illegal to use anywhere public
they dont care
What are the options of adding a trip computer or some form of LCD screen where I can see an odemeter, speedometer, battery health ect?
Do you sell just the LCD trip computer that is part of the other more expensive kits you have for sale? Would that be compatible with this cheaper kit?
Good find, that's pretty much what I'm after, thanks.
I might pull the trigger on this, just have to source a cheap battery and bike.. could have a pretty nice setup under $500. It's something I've been considering for a few years.
How do police check if it is over 250W?
The size of the hub is a pretty good indication.
I've never heard of police actually checking though, that's not to say it won't or hasn't happened. There's just no information out there as to if anyone has been caught.
You can bet they will check if you cause an accident though.
No it's not, a direct drive has a large hub but a geard hub could be twice the power at half the size.
They also sell the same sized hubs as these as 250W legal hubs if you look around.
Well sure a direct drive doesn't have a hub and like you said gearing makes it hard to tell.
Looking at the size is still a good indication. It's not an actual test, but how else is a policeman supposed to get an indication that an ebike may be illegally high powered if a rider is riding responsibly? Are they supposed to take out their phone and google the part number of the motor first?
It's why I wrote up above, it's illegal but there's no legal ramifications if you don't get caught. Because if you ride responsibly, there's no reason that a policeman would even check to see. Of course this could change if there's a bad accident and the issue gets thrown into the media spotlight, but for now ebikes get a free pass as long as they don't look like they were built as psuedo motorcycles.
@c0balt: like your logic….so i can drive at 200kmh an hour in my unregistered and highly modified car but its ok and there are no legal ramifications if i just 'dont get caught'.
Thats silly, cars are checked by police, bikes are not.
Unless you have a big 1000W sticker on your motor, I don't see it being likely.
@franco cozzo: I don't see the issue. Why would there be any legal ramification if you are not actually caught. Unless you hand yourself in …. I'm sure that is the same mindset of thieves and murderers and cigarette litterers in general. That being said, you weren't being fair. c0balt explicitly mentioned riding responsibly.
Well that's not my logic at all, I wrote about riding responsibly and driving at 200kmh in an unregistered car can't be considered responsible.
There's always one of you though who loves nanny states and will twist anyone's words so they can be seen beating their chest as they make their law abiding statements such as comparing riding a 1000w ebike responsibly to driving an unregistered car at 200kmh. You get to wear that hat today.
Congrats!
Thats silly, cars are checked by police, bikes are not.
on what (profanity)ing planet do you live on? police also police bikes. how can you not know that? and its quite easy to tell an ebike isnt under 200w when it skoots along faster than walking pace which is about all 200w can manage.
i actually know of someoone, first hand (not just head from someone who heard from someone else), that got pulled over, his bike confiscated and tested and wound up with some $2500 in fines and lost his car licence because he was over the limit.
unless you have at least the slightest knowledge about the subject you speak on just shut up and dont speak at all…
@nosdan: Interesting. I installed a pretty basic 250W hub motor kit on a friends bike and it went quite a lot faster than walking pace, probably even slightly faster than a jogger. If you've had experience otherwise then maybe there really are big differences in these motor kits but fortunately/unfortunately that debases the silly power based law even more.
@SteveAndBelle:
/me sigh.
that was more extradition than reality.
if a 200w bike can manage say 10kph then a bike "rolling" along a flat road at 20-30-40kph (as i have seen regularly) is pretty obviously not going to be 200w…
you must take cops to be complete morons if you think its not going to be obvious to them who is and who isnt complying?
I can hit 40kph on flats without a motor. A 200w motor I can hit 50kph with what would appear to be minimal pedalling. You basically only get caught if you are hitting that speed and not pedalling - that looks too obvious.
@nosdan: Hmm, well when I'm following biker cops over a certain local pedestrian & cyclist bridge travelling at 2.5 times the clearly marked speed limit of 10kph and I capture it on camera I really don't have much respect for them, moronic or otherwise. They even gave me a 'happy police nod' when I decided to cheekily pass them and say 'hi' as I knew I'd obviously be travelling faster still. Meh, doesn't bother me much but what's up with your eBike gripe?
@SteveAndBelle:
by "biker cops" you mean cycling cops? ive never had a run in with them but the one case i explained above was from someone getting pulled over by a cop in a car.
and i dont have a gripe against ebikes at all, only a gripe about the idiots who spout bullshit about the laws covering them. fact is that id probably own one myself if it wasnt for the 200w limit. then again im an ex racer and not the average simpleton that would probably buy one, ride it dangerously and end up killing some innocent bystander.
@Calvin27:
i see them constantly doing those speeds without peddling. as an ex cyclist/racer im well aware of what bikes can do, fastest ive done was just over 110kph and when training we constantly hit 80-90kph on downhills.
when you see someone "ride" without a single peddle for around 1km at 30-40kph+ including up hills/rises its pretty obvious its not a 200w motor
I installed a pretty basic 250W hub motor kit on a friends bike
just on another note… what makes you think that your friends 250w bike would be road legal?
@nosdan: Erm, the law?! 200W is legal for non-pedal and 250W is legal for Pedelec (Pedal Assist). Step away from the computer Nosdan, I think you need to chill a bit mate, you're giving cyclists an even worse name ;) QLD Law makes it pretty clear: http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Registration/Registering-vehicles/…
30-40 kph without pedalling is definately doable on a 200w bike. The catch is the motor is meant to cut out at 25kph.
@SteveAndBelle:
so you do understand that the bike you built for your friend is illegal to use on the road? because from what you have explained is it not ,by definition, a pedelec? (according to hte law). its one thing to knowingly be breaking the law, i do that on a regular basis. its another to be knowingly breaking the law but to try and convince yourself and even worse others that you are not doing so.
as for needing to step away from the computer, nah im just fine. as for being "chill" im having a ball, i love to point out where people are completely and obviously wrong, specially when it comes to road laws. while its true that i do not suffer fools gladly, seeing how easily they are proven wrong is quite a joy
@nosdan: Wow. Not sure how it wasn't a Pedelec but hey YOU know best! No throttle and with crank sensors… ya, it was definitely a Pedelec by definition but yes, you're right, I obviously know nothing. That's fine.
30-40 kph without pedalling is definately doable on a 200w bike.
on flat or slightly up hill from a standing start without a single peddle?
@SteveAndBelle:
from the very link you linked me earlier…
the vehicle must comply with the European Standard for Power Assisted Pedal Cycles (EN15194). The vehicle must have a permanent marking on it that shows it complies with the standard.
i dont believe your "conversion" would have a permanent marking on it stating that it complies? making it uncomplainant? meaning that, by law, it is not a pedelec because it does not conform with en15194?
you can go on being as much of a smart arse as you like, im simply interpreting the laws from the very link you supplied. if you have some better info elsewhere which states that im wrong ill be happy to reconsider your opinion
The 200w law allows unlimited speed and no pedal sensor.
The 250w law requires a 25 kph motor cut off and a pedal sensor.
@nosdan: The standard was clearly printed on a plate mounted to the battery pack which in that kit also contained the ESC. It's the same kit the store was fitting to the complete bikes they were selling. Of course you're right (again), interpretation is key here :)
shops also fit petrol motors to bikes…… your opinion is irrelevant
"knowledge is responsibility which is why people resist knowledge"
i would imagine, just like VIN numbers and ADR stampings that it would need to be stamped on the frame not just a sticker on a replaceable battery pack. but that is what lawyers and courts are for.
Perhaps this is also a kind of 'Ship of Theseus' problem. How many parts can you swap out before it stops being an electric bicycle? My feeling is, no matter what frame you put that electric conversion kit on, it's the electric bits that make it an electric bike. Therefore that's where the label should be. Otherwise if you have a frame that was once used with an electric motion kit but no longer has it installed and is converted back to purely human power, it will have a permanent marking which is no longer relevant.
Always read the label. Be suspicious if it's been tampered with.
it's pretty obvious when you ride past at 50km/h+ passing everyone
You won't be going that fast with this.
there's a bloke i see on the commute - 64km/h with 1500w. he didn't like it when I told him his motorbike was illegal.
you will be going faster than the 5kph you can manage on a 200w bike…. its pretty damn obvious speed difference between whats legal and what a 1000w bike can do. do you really take cops to be such moronic idiots that they cant tell?
@nosdan: Pretty hard to tell if you're pedalling. And the cops don't care unless you're doing something stupid.
@coxymla: actually the cops have been cracking down more and more as these things get more and more popular. its what always happens.
The law enforcer would need a mobile Dyno or other test gear to check properly which is why I find this particular law downright stupid from both sides of the thin blue line. All other vehicles are enforced by speed and I can't see why bicycles aren't too… motorised or otherwise! Not too difficult to get up & over 40kph on a road bike and see so many 'law abiding' Lycra-clad cyclists do this on crowded or high-risk bike paths & pedestrian bridges on my daily commute. Enforcing speed just makes more sense across the board.
Also, just to put a spanner in the works… I have it on very good authority via an eBike/Motor importer/dealer/mechanic that quite a lot of the popular bicycle motors are being built as one type (eg. 1000W) for cost reasons then simply being electronically down-tuned via the ESC (inbuilt or otherwise) allowing the manufacturer to supply 'legal' versions of their product. The motor itself is still 'illegal' even though it has '250W' on the badge so without proper test equipment there really isn't any way of determining what power the motor really is therefore debasing most good intentions.
I'm pretty sure the law will have to change in coming years as personal electric transportation makes complete sense in built-up areas such as our major capitals. Bring on fairly priced Bicycle Registration too!
The law enforcer would need a mobile Dyno or other test gear
no they dont, they just confiscate them and have them checked. its well known that its what happens. just because you dont know about it does not make it untrue. classic dunning kruger effect in play here… einstein
I'm contemplating getting a front and rear and putting them both on at the same time… 2wd bike with 1500w of POWER!!!! :D
Been done quite a few times to great effect however it results in a very heavy bike unfortunately.
so you want to be 'that dick' huh?
So you "are" being that dick, huh?
Get off your preacher bicycle soap box, shave that hipster beard off and get a sense of humour.
How do you know someone is a cyclist? Don't worry, they'll tell you…
Ha, love the last line… and yes, I'm a cyclist :p
What is the difference between
$108 http://www.voilamart.com/48v-1000w-front-wheel-electric-bicy… and
$115 http://www.voilamart.com/48v-1000w-electric-bicycle-e-bike-c…
What do you get for the extra $7 as package inclusions are exatly the same and the specs are pretty much the same
Specs are the same but different motor, rim, bag, controller and throttle, plus the dearer one has a more road oriented tyre.
But the biggest difference I can see is that the dearer one comes with a removable battery plug with fuse, which is not shown with the other one.
….cmon guys. pedal. its good for you and its cheaper….
also gives you a chance to work off all those ozbargain dominos and 24x chicken nugget packs! ;)
Can anyone provide guidance on battery and charger costs, and where to get it from?
How far do you plan/expect to ride and will you be pedalling along with the motor or just be relying on the motor power alone to move you? Also, is this for riding on a hard flat surface or are you planning to do lots of mountainous or off road work?
Hobby King sells a 22V 16000 mAh 6S battery for $163. (You'll need 2 of them.)
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__61510__Multistar_…
If you primarily want to do the work yourself and only have the motor to assist then you will be able to get away with a much smaller (cheaper) battery.
lipo + lack of care = house burned down. care would be advised
Don't use LiPo like people are posting above - those are old-tech stuff for RC models LOL
Use LiFeP04 Lithium Iron Phosphate, or LiFePO4, and Lithium Tri-Metal (Lithium Nickel Cobalt Manganese, or NMC). The main benefits of these 2 chemistries is a much longer lifespan.
Much better recharging cycles (2,000 times vs 500 times). And no burny burny problems like on hoverboards!
Not many people use traditional "Lithium Ion" batteries now days for this application.
Thanks for the info! Haven't decided anything yet, but contemplating!
Hi Rep,
I was about to purchase one of the kits, but when checking out Google Chrome warned of a non private connection (see image below).
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Any chance you could look into this? I don't want to put in my payment details if your SSL certificate is showing that it's insecure.
Sorry to hear that, would you please kindly try to clear your cookies or check out in other browser?
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Cheaper than the kits I've looked at on eBay.
Any deals on lithium batteries?