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QuiOui on 23/03/2016 - 22:25 openlearning.com (9857 clicks)
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Apparently computer security is a booming industry and UNSW and CBA have teamed up to give you this free Security Engineering course and apparently you can earn a 6 figure salary within the first couple of years after graduation.

The information on the website is a bit vague:
Over 2016 and 2017, we will be releasing a sequence of publicly available courses in cyber security, under the banner of the sec.edu 'Security Engineering' program.

The first course will start in Semester 1, 2016.

Register here to participate. Everyone welcome. Just bring your wits, cunning, and passion. And keep your eyes peeled for the McGuffin.

Some courses will requre C programming familiarity, others require no specific background and are suitable for those wishing to increase their understanding of cyber security. All courses require strong analytical capabilities.

SEC.EDU is a proud partnership between UNSW and Commonwealth Bank.

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  • cdaddy on 23/03/2016 - 22:37
    +9

    Free .edu email?!

  • psyren89 on 23/03/2016 - 22:37
    +44

    apparently you can earn a 6 figure salary within the first couple of years after graduation

    apparently

    apparently

    • scrimshaw on 23/03/2016 - 22:49
      +35

      6 figure salaries for everyone! Look under your seats! You get a raise! You get a raise!

      EVERYONE GETS A RAISE!

      • jenkemjunkie on 23/03/2016 - 23:58
        +1

        "EVERY GRADUATE (brownie) HAS AN EDGE!!!!!"

      • Tasmaniac on 24/03/2016 - 02:01
        +1

        Make sure you study hard or you might get….. Beees.

        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xAhuSDRIDHE

      • CandyMan on 24/03/2016 - 14:05
        +11

        Yes, I looked under my desk chair and found a lever, I pulled it and got a raise. Thanks for the advice 😏

    • Its4me on 24/03/2016 - 00:10
      +12

      Doesn't specify currency. Could be rubles - definitely some computer security jobs in Russia offering at least that.

      • rayski57 on 24/03/2016 - 09:10

        Indonesian Rupiah? Korean Won?

    • bchliu on 24/03/2016 - 10:23

      6 figures in Japanese Yen.. yeah..

    • Shwayne on 24/03/2016 - 15:42

      sources say

    • frazel on 24/03/2016 - 20:46
      +3

      I work in IT Security and I do earn a 6 figure salary.

      But it takes more than a course!

      • GregFiona on 27/03/2016 - 21:56

        6 figure salary members should be permanently banned on OzB! :P

        • thumbybumbi on 28/03/2016 - 02:27

          only 7 figures+? that's rough man

        • frazel on 30/03/2016 - 09:11
          +1

          @thumbybumbi:

          Yeah it's a daily struggle! :P

          I spent 6 years at Uni including completing a Master's in Digital Forensics and graduated with 1st class honours. And even with all that, it was still just luck I have ended up where I have.

          I'm all for learning, but if anyone thinks by doing this course it will get them in to security (proper security) they are dreaming.

          My 2 cents of advice is to learn about cloud computing. Set up a AWS account and Azure and play. That's the new boom!

        • spinferno on 30/03/2016 - 10:12

          @frazel: thanks for your advice mate, I finished a masters in info systems with a specialty in security consulting and still find it hard to find a role. I appreciate your hints!

    • daydream on 25/03/2016 - 18:16
      +3

      Remember universities are in the business of making money, education is a means to that end. They also teach marketing hence the 6 figure bs for someone with 2yrs experience. That is laughable for the average graduate in a tight market where uni IT faculties are getting smaller due to less students due to less jobs. I know a large IT company where if you do get a pay rise you're lucky if it's much more than inflation.

      The real world is a very different place to that marketed to naïve students in order to get them in the door (they'll soon learn that when they finish their student life). In reality students overseas are studying the same material, getting the same accreditations (only difference is it's cheaper to do all that in many of those countries) and there is more pressure to achieve higher.

      It's a global market now and most of the IT companies are moving the jobs to their staff/divisions overseas in order to get higher profit margins (flying those staff in if they need to pose as "onshore"). Customers are not willing to pay the large amount needed to keep back end jobs here and more local companies are willing to outsource IT (even IT security). A higher salary here (for the same job) only makes it more likely that your IT job will go offshore. It's not being negative, its the reality of the market and just doesn't get the publicity of the other industries.

      • daydream on 26/03/2016 - 23:12

        Oh and they better teach this current generation of journalists that just regurgitating press releases without any fact checking will do them out of a job too. That news.com.au article reads like an ad.

  • arctan on 23/03/2016 - 22:47
    +1

    Registered! Thanks!!

  • wowco on 23/03/2016 - 22:52
    +51

    I am currently studying computer science at UNSW, I just wanted to say the guy who seems to be leading this course, Richard Buckland is an amazing lecturer.

    He's a very passionate and hands on lecturer and if you even slightly are interested in learning cyber security I am sure you will enjoy what he has to offer.

    If you are interested in learning computing in general you can check out some of Richards lectures on his YouTube channel, BucklandRichard.

    • xavster on 23/03/2016 - 23:51
      +2

      I had Richard for H/Comp 1A back in 2002, he was a good lecturer, very funny guy.

      • uggugg on 24/03/2016 - 01:01
        +4

        I had Richard for Comp 1A all the way back in the previous millennium, that's right 1999

        I think if any other person was the lecturer for my first computing subject there's a good chance I wouldn't have pursue software engineering as a career. One of the best teachers out there.

        • zealmax on 24/03/2016 - 10:33
          +2

          Must of been in the same lectures with you. Remember Haskell? Brings back memories.

        • sagrules on 24/03/2016 - 11:58
          +2

          @zealmax: Yes, I remember Haskell. UNSW's made up programming language :P

        • uggugg on 24/03/2016 - 14:10
          +1

          @zealmax:

          Yes Haskell for 1A and Java for 1B.

          Ah memories are starting to flood back. I remember Richard using The Count's song from Sesame Street to teach us recursion.

        • ajdlinux on 24/03/2016 - 15:07

          @sagrules: We teach Haskell in first year at ANU as well!

        • Pecan on 26/03/2016 - 19:54

          I had him for Comp 1A in 1997 ;)
          Did you all learn from him that a "google" is a 1 followed by one hundred zeros? A few years later on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire, this was the million dollar question posed to a contestant. I was screaming at the tv.

    • ilikeit on 23/03/2016 - 23:51
      +12

      So Dick is hands on is he? I'm out then.

    • rodinthink on 24/03/2016 - 01:54

      I bet y'all internet lover & youtube junkie already know this especially the software engineer.
      But Thenewboston is way way more awesome in explaining stuff if you don't know a shit, zero about programming.
      He helped me (indirectly) with the most of the programming course. WIthout him I will failed my whole painful miserable course with very limited budget.

      He explained stuff really simple, My lecturer explanation for a goddamn couple weeks can be simplified by him over "5-15 minutes video**
      (Java I hate you at first sight)
      Really reccomend

      • simgue on 24/03/2016 - 09:22

        Agreed. Thenewboston is excellent!

      • newozbargainermelb on 24/03/2016 - 09:41

        Subscribed to his channel. Thanks.

      • blighst on 24/03/2016 - 16:39

        Thenewboston is frowned upon by a lot of people for poor technique. Personally I haven't tried many of his videos but Richard Buckland is a amazing and very passionate.

    • elusive on 24/03/2016 - 03:01

      If you have a chance to, take COMP9447 (Security Workshop) with Brendan Hopper. Excellent hands-on course, and he's a great lecturer too - Richard's maybe better at simplifying explanations, but Brendan's lectures are always lots of fun.

    • zliu205 on 30/03/2016 - 20:07

      Had Richard for H comp 1A back in 2004 and Cryptography in 2008 - guess this is the evolutional course to replace the old Cryptography course.

  • currentfad on 23/03/2016 - 22:58
    +11

    Hahahaha I remember when the UNSW Facebook page was hacked on the day or the day before Open Day and UNSW was praised for its cyber security courses.

    • protocolture on 23/03/2016 - 23:05
      +28

      If you do this course you will realise that UNSW doesn't run security for facebook.

      • currentfad on 23/03/2016 - 23:23
        +1

        hahaha it was just ironic I don't actually expect anyone to run security on facebook lol…

        • vdj on 23/03/2016 - 23:37
          +1

          also in defence of the UNSW CSE faculty - probably wasn't them working on the security of UNSW Facebook page - likely something that Student Learning ie Admin does or possibly IT once the hack occurred
          (Source: I've worked for a sub unit of UNSW's Admin departments)

        • madfree on 23/03/2016 - 23:43
          +1

          @vdj:
          Yeah I can confirm that UNSW CSE is not responsible, but rather it was UNSW Admin which then later the IT's took over

  • cryptos on 23/03/2016 - 23:05
    +3

    When I try to visit the site you mentioned (news.com.au) "computer security is a booming industry" I get the following error?? :)

    www.news.com.au uses an invalid security certificate.

    The certificate is only valid for the following names: a248.e.akamai.net, *.akamaihd.net, *.akamaihd-staging.net, *.akamaized.net, *.akamaized-staging.net Error code: SSL_ERROR_BAD_CERT_DOMAIN

    • hashtagbargain on 23/03/2016 - 23:09

      Quite booming, don't you think?

    • Yuun Yii on 23/03/2016 - 23:09

      It's been like that for me for the past few weeks too. Have to disable my HTTPS addon and go to the non-secure site for it to work.

      • cryptos on 23/03/2016 - 23:10
        +4

        ironic much? :)

      • cryptos on 23/03/2016 - 23:14
        +1

        no, I can get to facebook ok, oh and youtube :)

        • Meconium on 24/03/2016 - 08:02
          +1

          @xdreamyst: don't think about germs any more, that analogy's over!

      • cryptos on 23/03/2016 - 23:16
        +7

        PS: for those of you looking for a career in IT, watching the complete episodes of "The IT Crowd" should be a prerequisite, along with my personal favorite "Office Space"

        • klownz on 23/03/2016 - 23:19
          +10

          Silicon Valley (HBO) is also necessary viewing…

        • cryptos on 23/03/2016 - 23:21
          +1

          @klownz: Yeah second that

        • darcbohs on 24/03/2016 - 00:09
          +1

          @klownz: dtf

      • rodinthink on 24/03/2016 - 01:57

        VISTA MEANS DEATH
        0118 999 881 999 119 725………

  • johnnywu34 on 23/03/2016 - 23:11
    +7

    Do you actually obtain a proper qualification saying you have completed this course, or is it just open material that anyone can study? Because from what I understand, it seems to me it is just additional learning for those interested, correct me if i'm wrong

    • Gnosh on 24/03/2016 - 06:37

      I'm bookmarking for an answer

    • ad3pt on 24/03/2016 - 06:48
      +3

      No.
      "
      Will I earn a degree from UNSW if I complete these sec.edu MOOCs?
      A MOOC provides open, free public access to education experiences. A student that wishes to graduate with a degree that includes these courses needs to enrol at UNSW."

  • MuadDib on 23/03/2016 - 23:23

    i think iv enrolled in the one thats going on right now…also free…same place…probably same course..i dont know.

    • stickyfingers on 23/03/2016 - 23:56

      The first course will start in Semester 1, 2016.

      It's already started. You're in the right one.

  • Clear on 23/03/2016 - 23:25
    +3

    apparently you can earn a 6 figure salary within the first couple of years after graduation.

    Sure if you're in a management or senior position with 10+ years of experience. The IT industry is frequently underpaid for being professional Googlers.

    • Smigit on 24/03/2016 - 06:59

      It might be doable if you're in the right company and can get promoted quickly or spend those couple of years developing a niche that you can then exploit. But yeah, may not be a realistic target for most.

      • [Deactivated] on 24/03/2016 - 10:12
        +3

        Pen testers and Oracle consultants seem to have no trouble getting 6 digit salary. Just need to be what the market is missing (and sought after) and the salary should be palatable.

        • daydream on 25/03/2016 - 18:20

          Guess how much cheaper it is for an offshore body to do that (or to fly one in) by the Aust division of a multinational. They get 6 figures but in a different currency. Changes take place quickly in the IT industry and it's not just the technology ;-)

        • ThadtheChad on 29/03/2016 - 15:30
          +1

          ^^ Absolutely right.

          Most pentesters I know are in the early 20s to mid 30s. I don't know a single one who earns under 6 figures. :) Ofcourse the chaps are some of the smartest people I've ever met.

          A senior pentester with 4years+ of pentest XP (yep that's actually considered senior), should be in the range of 130k-150k (ex super). A veteran pentester with experience in working with more esoteric tech like ICS/SCADA/custom protocols or heavily into bug hunting/exploit dev should be higher.

          ===========

          These jobs do not get offshore'd. Places in Aus which have done this, have had to bring pentesting back onshore because of some really hard lessons learnt on the way. Typically, there is a lot of rigour and background checking performed on pentesters. It's not uncommon for pentesters working exclusively for Govt orgs to hold security clearances (typically NV1; but I've seen PV and TS). Moreover, there is a question of skill. The people doing this purely out of interest; it is a very trying and exhausting profession with a fairly high burnout rate (due to the need to stay on the bleeding edge).

          Disclaimer: the above does not apply to pentesters currently working for the big 4 consulting firms. :) For obvious reasons.

  • jenkemjunkie on 23/03/2016 - 23:55
    +2

    This reads like one of those '1 simple trick' Internet ads. Lots of kids will sign up, realise it's too hard or boring and go back to playing games on the over-specced PC they convinced their parents they needed for uni/school work.

    $2500 a day?! Haha…. Maybe by skimming a bit, actually, a lot from the banks you're slaving for.

    • klownz on 24/03/2016 - 09:36
      +4

      Hey I need that PC for… video editing… photo manipulation… for my uni work…

      Goes back to playing The Division

      • jenkemjunkie on 24/03/2016 - 11:03
        +3

        But Mummmm! I need it for Photoshop and the Adobies! It won't run without the 980TIs in SLI!

        "My son is so whizz bang clever with computers" - mum

  • [Deactivated] on 24/03/2016 - 01:06

    Welcome to tech support how may I help you?

  • Cameronol on 24/03/2016 - 01:56
    +1

    Signed up just before and the course is wonderful so far.
    Definitely makes you think about things instead of just giving them to you.

    Thanks OP

  • haiprazzad on 24/03/2016 - 06:35
    +1

    Thanks OP. Joined.

  • icecream on 24/03/2016 - 07:36

    What kind of accreditation or recognition will students of this course receive?

    It's good to learn or refresh security knowledge, would be even better if it grant achievements tangibly.

    • jenkemjunkie on 24/03/2016 - 08:00
      +9

      Leet haxor status. You have to telnet the mainframes to find the accreditation certificate honeypot. Also green text on black background has to be used when command lining. Or you fail.

      • MoMoney on 24/03/2016 - 09:39

        lol

      • icecream on 24/03/2016 - 11:09

        ROFL, you make my day :)

      • kiitos on 25/03/2016 - 14:23
        +2

        WELCOME TO THE GOVERNMENT'S TOP SECRET FILE SERVER
        PASSWORD?
        => OVERRIDE PASSWORD MAXIMUM AUTHORITY
        ACCESS GRANTED

        I'm in!

  • edrift on 24/03/2016 - 08:07
    +1

    anyone know if:
    1. Can you get a .edu.au address from this?
    2. Can you get any NSW Opal card concession from this?
    3. Can you get a student card from this?

    • Astro551 on 24/03/2016 - 08:37

      Nah man it's just an open learning course, essentially like signing up to a udemy one

    • klownz on 24/03/2016 - 09:37

      To get concession cards you need to be a full time student anyways, most of these courses would only constitute part time attendance (if they were 'enrolled courses' in the typical sense).

    • blerk on 24/03/2016 - 09:55
      +2

      If you are from NSW and are desperate for an .edu.au address, sign up for one of these free OTEN courses. http://oten.tafensw.edu.au/courses-and-careers/training-prog…

  • scud70 on 24/03/2016 - 08:25

    EE-gad! programming … i'm next to useless at any programming language

  • Duram on 24/03/2016 - 08:39

    I work in security, I don't have a 6 figure salary :'(.

    • rayski57 on 24/03/2016 - 09:16
      +8

      No not store security, Information Security/IT security

      • Duram on 24/03/2016 - 09:17
        +1

        Woops.

      • DOIT4THEPEANUT on 24/03/2016 - 09:21

        Unless your kind of security job shows all flaws and weaknesses in your companies infrastructure and you can resolve these said flaws and weaknesses, you wont be on 6 figures.

        • WaterDragon on 24/03/2016 - 12:43

          Resolve the flaws or hold them in ransom to get 6 figures ??

    • Hahnski on 24/03/2016 - 09:22

      @Duram
      Remove the decimal point

    • saffers on 24/03/2016 - 09:25

      Move to Sydney ;)

    • zealmax on 24/03/2016 - 09:28

      $99,999?

      • klownz on 24/03/2016 - 09:38

        '+ super?

        • saffers on 24/03/2016 - 09:47

          I guess that`s the question. What do people see as a 6 figure salary 100000 incl super or 100000 take home pay.

        • [Deactivated] on 24/03/2016 - 10:15

          @saffers:

          Base salary does not include super.

        • zealmax on 24/03/2016 - 10:35

          @googleyahoo69: Security and Data Science seems to be all the hype these days. I think this is a great opportunity to get your feet wet, in security.

        • klownz on 24/03/2016 - 11:05

          @zealmax:

          insecurity?

  • ninetyNineCents on 24/03/2016 - 10:30
    -5

    Do people not realiZe how many people are out there that already know how to admin Windows user accounts.

    How many available opportunities do they think there can be for a skill that takes less than half a day to learn ?

    • jenkemjunkie on 24/03/2016 - 12:45

      I agree with you. Most people that are good at this stuff are the ones that never went to uni and learnt the stuff by being creative on their own and applying knowledge they read from a book that isn't specifically teaching a skill. Now everyone learns skills like a recipe and can't think outside the box. Good luck trying to teach creativity (which is needed when looking to compromise a system) and the social engineering aspects to the academically institutionalised. Offering big money still won't get you the best in the field…. This is the next best 'business idea' thing though… like how everyone is a web designer and makes websites these days. I can't wait for the Wordpress edition of compromising systems

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