Australian, born in Israel, visiting Dubai

LOzbarganator 2000 on 20/03/2016 - 17:48
Last edited 20/03/2016 - 18:55

Hello,

I have a friend, he is an Australian citizen
He was born in Israel and migrated to Australia 20 years ago.
He is planning to visit Dubai for few days when he goes to Europe in May as a tourist.

Would there be any problems with him entering Dubai?

He has a new Australian passport that doesn’t have any stamps yet but it does show that

• place of birth is specified as one of the Israeli cities
• Nationality is AUSTRALIAN

Normally the Entry Visit Visa is granted by the UAE Authorities upon arrival at Dubai airport free of charge.

He will be traveling with his girlfriend. They are not married.

Should he apply for Dubai visa in advance, while he is in Australia to avoid any problems at the Dubai airport customs?
How long does the application take? Where is the best place to apply for it?

Thank you

Travel

Comments

  • voteoften on 21/03/2016 - 23:14
    +4

    I never thought I'd come clean with this, but the issue of birthplace is a real concern. I never wanted anyone on ozb to know, but feel I have to step forward. I was born in that country between Mexico and Canada. I moved to oz about 20 years ago. I became a v proud Australian more than ten years ago. I ensured my child((ren) did not have the stain of citizenship from that country.

    As someone mentioned earlier, where I grew up, we did not have sufficient quantities of minorities to form any opinion, except sadly, African Americans. The totality of my understanding of Italians were that they were committed to their immediate family in a great way, they liked pasta and were generally Catholic. Not different, but their food was to be envied.

    While not happy about growing up in a family that was racist against black people, I feel it has been a blessing to not even know enough to firm generalised impressions of other races. Relative to Aussies who grew up here I'm free-ush.

    But that isn't my point in disclosing my shameful origin of being from that country.

    I really think Australia should offer sanitised passports for people from countries who might suffer due to country of origin.

    I gave up my us citizenship right on a year ago. If you google FBAR or phil hodgen, tax lawyer, you will understand what brought my decision forward. Manymanymany yanks are giving their citizenship up every year. More than one per day in tiny Perth.

    If I were the Israeli contemplating travel to the uae, I wouldn't do it.

    My oz passport will forever blemish me as a yank even though I went through years and more than $100,000 to rid myself if that citizenship.

    There are places I can not comfortably travel alone due to a lack of penis and perhaps my yank-ness. Travelling to the us will always be very difficult because yanks have to travel to and from the us w a yank passport. I will have to prove myself and my loss of citizenship to whatever ignorant, belligerent, and I'll-informed moron is at the immigration counter if I go to that country.

    I am modest in foreign countries and can not travel safely alone due to a lack of Penis.

    I think the Israelii should just stay out. If he doesn't ad something happens it will not be his fault, but I urge caution. Most of the rest of world is pretty good. Consider sticking to that.

    • airzone on 22/03/2016 - 17:00
      +1

      I lol'ed.. Curiously, USA is notorious for discriminating on country of birth in terms of technology licensing.

    • Jackson on 23/03/2016 - 23:38

      I tried to read that guys blog post, even the tl:Dr is tl:Dr. All I got was something to do with not filing an fbar which was something to do with tax?

    • Donaldhump on 24/11/2016 - 00:57

      bahamas?

  • teehee on 22/03/2016 - 00:28
    +3

    Surely your "friend" could just ask the Jewish community for a far better and reliable opinion than ozbargain?

    • [Deactivated] on 22/03/2016 - 16:10
      +7

      Since the community is very similar (love to save money) the opinion would pretty much be the same.

  • [Deactivated] on 22/03/2016 - 00:34
    +1

    If they ask, just say that your parents "were Muslims stuck under the Zionist occupation and managed to flee to Australia where Muslims are welcome" but you're not religious. Hopefully he doesn't have an Israeli sounding name either.

  • Lucky13 on 22/03/2016 - 04:10
    +7

    Wow looked up SmartTraveller's advice for Australians travelling to UAE/Dubai, was an interesting read. Especially the one where it said - "There have been cases in the UAE where sexual assault victims have been imprisoned after reporting an incident to local police or upon seeking medical assistance." It also says sex outside of marriage is illegal, so maybe dont appear to be too intimate with your girlfriend. Possession of illegal drugs even a little bit can result in a death sentence in some cases and some over the counter medications in Australia are illegal in UAE. Also not paying a bill/fine/loan may result in imprisonment. Damn, dont leave your hotel room and you should be fine - https://smartraveller.gov.au/countries/united_arab_emirates Also if you have any questions you can contact the Embassy of the UAE - http://protocol.dfat.gov.au/Mission/view.rails?id=209

    • McFly on 22/03/2016 - 12:11
      +6

      dont leave your hotel room and you should be fine

      Don't go to the UAE and you will be fine.

      • Lucky13 on 22/03/2016 - 13:22
        +1

        Totally agree, yeah I wouldnt be jumping to go there :)

  • CLoSeR on 22/03/2016 - 08:08
    +1

    Make sure your friends girlfriend has a separate room as they are not married.

    • airzone on 22/03/2016 - 12:01
      +1

      Don't know why this was negged.. This is a real issue in UAE. They could probably say they are married to avoid the drama.

      • slipperypete on 24/03/2016 - 01:45
        +1

        it's NOT an issue. Tons of people go there as couples. Heaps of expats live together as couples. I lived with my girlfriend for several years there under the same roof.

        It's only an issue if there is an associated problem. These things you hear on the media are generally real but also isolated and attached with some other issue

    • Donaldhump on 24/11/2016 - 00:58

      when i went into sharjah me and my misses had to do this..

  • [Deactivated] on 22/03/2016 - 08:21

    Israel doesn't even do stamps AT ALL anymore. Even if you specifically ask for one.

    If anything the fact the passport has zero stamps is weird but seriously no one cares.

    • mrgeckoz on 23/03/2016 - 22:01
      +1

      thats correct. they gave me 1 little ticket in the airport, another one when leaving the country

      • [Deactivated] on 23/03/2016 - 22:02
        +1

        Ditto

        With your picture…I always look revolting in them.

        • mrgeckoz on 23/03/2016 - 22:05
          +1

          i actually wanted a stamp in my passport but anyway.
          cant help with that sorry :D

        • [Deactivated] on 23/03/2016 - 22:06
          +1

          @mrgeckoz:

          Same. I specifically asked for one. To no avail unfortunately :( So I stapled my entry and departure cards to my pages.

        • mrgeckoz on 23/03/2016 - 22:08

          @Beethoven:
          I'm a chinese passport holder btw.
          i think i might have lost that little red ticket lol

        • McFly on 23/03/2016 - 22:13

          I always look revolting in them.

          Don't be too hard on yourself - I'm sure you look as good as the next 246 year old.

    • Donaldhump on 24/11/2016 - 00:59

      i got stamped like anything in may.
      ended up with a half dozen in my passport, they even took my other passport out and stamped that, just to be prats

  • notbad on 22/03/2016 - 10:49
    -8

    Wow a lot of racist on here
    Instead of all being racist keyboard warriors, how about you look into Islam and what it SHOULD be and not what you hear in the media

    • [Deactivated] on 22/03/2016 - 13:46
      +7

      Nothing to do with Islam. We are talking about the country UAE which has racist policies against foreigners and especially Israelis.

      • Jackson on 23/03/2016 - 21:45
        +2

        Which is fair enough, but it should be also mentioned that Israel is possibly the most racist country in the world for an Arab to go to

        • [Deactivated] on 23/03/2016 - 22:20
          -1

          No it should not be mentioned, because this I'd about an Australian citizen who has no link to Israel except by birth and has nothing to do with Israel's policies.

        • McFly on 23/03/2016 - 22:42
          +2

          @The Land of Smeg: Don't bother - haters have their own reality distortion field that's extremely hard to get through.

        • Jackson on 23/03/2016 - 23:15
          +1

          @The Land of Smeg: the point is people go to Israel and experience the same racial villification even though the Israeli establishment have equally stupid reasons for it.

        • [Deactivated] on 23/03/2016 - 23:51

          @McFly: You're not wrong. It doesn't matter what happens or doesn't happen, they will always find an angle to change the subject against Israel. This topic literally has nothing to do with them. It's quite insidious.

    • [Deactivated] on 22/03/2016 - 18:11

      Islam = religion not race.
      So the issue would be religious discrimination.

  • JimB on 22/03/2016 - 10:56
    +7

    I'm not Jewish, but I would and have avoided the UAE based on moral reasons. I'm definitely not xenophobic as my passport can confirm.

    See the massive construction and impressive buildings? The local Arabs didn't build them, foreign labour did.

    There's nothing wrong with using foreign labour, unfortunately the foreign workers (construction, retail, cleaning etc) are exploited, virtually slave labour as their passports are taken upon arrival at the mercy of the companies that sponsor them. The Government doesn't help. They are virtually slaves or hostages because they can't leave the country. Even worst are the girls who were promised a decent job but were forced to become prostitutes while the Government turns a blind eye.

    I don't blame the workers at all, it's a risk that you or I will never have to make. I can't help them personally but to ensure I don't contribute to the problem, I'll be giving the UAE a wide berth until their human rights improve.

    Fortunately there are many other beautiful places in the world to travel.

    • airzone on 22/03/2016 - 11:56
      +2

      IMO, Dubai is not a beautiful place

      • JimB on 22/03/2016 - 11:59
        +2

        I see some photos of the buildings and the architecture is amazing and beautiful. So I assume some of it is beautiful.

        • [Deactivated] on 22/03/2016 - 13:48
          +1

          Have you ever got the feeling when "something is not quite right" and you get a sense of dirtiness that you just just want to get away from, even though it's not physically dirty.

        • [Deactivated] on 22/03/2016 - 18:12

          @The Land of Smeg:

          THIS!

        • JimB on 24/03/2016 - 14:19

          @The Land of Smeg:

          Like the stripper on her first shift of the night? :D

    • abc on 22/03/2016 - 21:59
      +7

      Why dont you avoid buying anything made in china then? Or any 3rd world country where workers rights are abused.

      • Jackson on 23/03/2016 - 22:04
        +3

        I agree with you that there is massive hypocrisy in the world, but hopefully the idea is rather than do nothing people might try to make more ethical choices in both cases.

        Also in both these cases (Chinese goods and foreign labour in UAE) the lives that these people come from are so bad they haven't a choice. It's a bit rich for us in Australia to judge them when we won't even let refugees into the country, usually providing repatriation to the he'll they came from as their only choice. Some may argue that makes them better than us

      • JimB on 24/03/2016 - 14:26
        +2

        The conditions of Chinese workers on average are infinitely better.

        The Chinese workers can always find another job, rather than be stuck in a foreign country without their passport.

  • Justplanemad on 22/03/2016 - 11:43
    +3

    I'm an airline pilot who spends a lot of time in Dubai. We are told on entry, that we could be deported or prosecuted with any Israeli material or money.

    Surely this would be worthy of a call to the Australian embassy in Dubai or locally- as he is entering as an Australian citizen (but as shown on passport Israeli born)

    • [Deactivated] on 22/03/2016 - 11:48
      +7

      Judging by your profession and username, there's no way I'd want to be one of your passengers.

      • [Deactivated] on 22/03/2016 - 13:50
        +1

        I'd fly with him

  • airzone on 22/03/2016 - 11:55

    Unfortunately some interpretations of nationality include place of birth, regardless of current citizenship status. If he goes without a visa, he will be relying on the immigration official's interpretation that his only nationality is Australian. It would be better to get a visa IMO - it'll be more reliable.

    TBH, there's nothing really interesting in Dubai. He could avoid the issue by going straight to Europe and spending the other days there, and he won't have days where he wakes up and says "wtf, is this it?".

    Also, assuming that in Dubai he will be sharing a room with his GF, it would be better to say they are married while there. It'll help to avoid complications.

  • superbird on 22/03/2016 - 12:30
    +4

    per wikipedia… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93United_Arab_Emi…

    "Dubai's Chief of Police, Dhahi Khalfan Tamim, stated that all travelers suspected of being Israeli will not be allowed into the country, even if they arrived on foreign passports"

    AND

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/mar/01/dubai-police-ba…

  • Lucky13 on 22/03/2016 - 13:32

    Wow I dont know Im reading a lot of these comments and thinking if you dont have to go to the UAE why dont you just go to Paris or something and have an unforgettable amazing time minus the fact that you might die or go to gaol if anyone perceives anything that you remotely do or say as illegal resulting in your death or imprisonment. Geez, personally some places your just not meant to go to if you dont have to

    • [Deactivated] on 23/03/2016 - 19:15
      +2

      Because most airlines take one stop as opposed to a direct flight. I doubt the OP actually wants to visit the country for sight seeing

    • slipperypete on 24/03/2016 - 01:55
      +1

      I'm not sure if you see the irony in your post in light of events in Paris and Brussels

  • supersiri on 22/03/2016 - 14:56
    +1

    maybe just tell him to stop being a jew

    • Lucky13 on 22/03/2016 - 15:34

      Thats not what Im saying. Its dangerous and I myself prefer to stay out of dangerous situations if I can help it. OP hasnt mentioned they need to go there for any reason, so my suggestion would just be dont go if you dont have to. If it is to see family or something maybe just go with a guided tour from a reputable company and meet up with family and friends on the tour. Just be careful is my advice and no Im not trying to be racist or anything in anyway, Im just concerned for their welfare thats all.

    • Lucky13 on 23/03/2016 - 17:58

      @supersiri I thought u were trying to say I was being racist or something. Ive never used the term being a jew before and wont either is a bit of a disrespectful/racist thing to say :(

  • [Deactivated] on 22/03/2016 - 15:14
    +4

    After Israel was caught flagrantly using Australian passports for Mossad missions in the area they will get attention.

    • xyron on 22/03/2016 - 15:39
      +4

      You would have thought that Mossad would have been smart enough not to give their spies Israeli 'places of birth' in their manufactured passports? :)

      This thread is a real eye-opener. Sounds like there is some real risk. I don't agree with a lot of what Israel is responsible for in the Middle East but to be at risk of being mistreated (as an Australian citizen) on arrival in a country that is supposedly as "modern" as the UAE presents itself is really quite sad.

      • [Deactivated] on 22/03/2016 - 16:28
        +2

        I respect the forward logic of that, but I travelled for a fairly long while with a haircut substantially different to my passport and the argument that a true trouble maker would make the extra effort to look the same as their passport counts for nothing in reality :p

      • ausmechkeyboards on 22/03/2016 - 16:31
        +5

        British passport, born in Ireland, work for an Israeli company, but having the last name "Hassan" at the Ben Gurion airport in Israel: https://femsplain.com/growing-up-beige/

        At least the UAE makes its prejudiced policies clear. Israel instead presents itself as the bastion of democracy and progressiveness in the Middle East yet frequently denies entry to everyone else from the Middle East, including those flying on American and British passports.

        • McFly on 22/03/2016 - 16:58
          -4

          Another clueless wonder.

        • hamerix on 23/03/2016 - 02:08
          +2

          israel is an aparthied state

        • jovialjosie2002 on 23/03/2016 - 10:17
          -2

          @hamerix:
          You have watched too much BBC on TV and been brainwashed. Israel IS the only democracy in the middle East. Surrounded by dictatorships. And don't mention "stolen land" there were more Jewish people kicked out of Lebanon Jordan Tunisia etc etc and lost everything. The only difference is Israel took them all in as penny less refugees. You don't know your history. Been brain washed by TV.

        • jovialjosie2002 on 23/03/2016 - 10:20
          +1

          It's called security…you would do the same if people were strapping bombs to their body and murdering…..yes murdering… Your people. …..oh gee perfect timing look what has just happened today in Brussels…. Oh 9/11… Ring any bells?????
          Wait till the same thing happens here in Oz…. And it will….then we will all change our tune and support Israel.

        • ausmechkeyboards on 23/03/2016 - 10:29
          +3

          @jovialjosie2002:

          "When Israel does anything, it's A-OK!"

        • McFly on 23/03/2016 - 15:20
          -5

          @hamerix: Oh, another genius!
          OK genius, whereabouts in South Africa is Israel located?
          Maybe we can go take a look - jump in my car so can go back 30 years as well so we can see what apartheid actually is in South Africa.

          Actually, we don't need to go to SA, or use my car - we can just go to any Arab/Muslim country TODAY and see what it would have been like in SA in the past!

          In case you didn't notice, this thread is about the fact that the UAE are the bigots, as are pretty much all Arab/Muslim countries.

        • ausmechkeyboards on 23/03/2016 - 20:50
          +2

          @McFly:

          OK genius, whereabouts in South Africa is Israel located?

          Aparthied South Africa is located deeply in the hearts of the Israelis and their apologists who once again voted in and supported the racist, genocidal Likud party. Like when their justice minister thinks that the wanton murder of Palestinians is kosher. For the record, she got the job a year after she said that. Nothing to see here, though, folks!

          jump in my car

          No thanks.

          so we can see what apartheid actually is in South Africa

          If I kill 100,000 people it's totally not genocide because Hitler killed 10 million. Similarly my African Slave Trade isn't a slave trade because it's not cross-continental. Therefore, Israelis ethnically cleansing and then walling in the remaining Palestinians totally isn't apartheid — it's actually a friendship wall and we keep them in there because we don't want them to get hurt :-)

          this thread is about the fact that the UAE are the bigots

          The OP thread was about whether or not s/he'd have issues, nothing to do with bigotry until the comments moved in that direction. The same way the comments shifted to how Israel is just as bigoted. Diddums.

          as are pretty much all Arab/Muslim countries

          And the casual racism/prejudice/bigotry slips out. How surprising from the type of person to defend the racist, genocidal state of Israel.

        • McFly on 23/03/2016 - 21:56
          -5

          @ausmechkeyboards: Ignorant bigoted group-think. Never seen that before…

        • ausmechkeyboards on 23/03/2016 - 22:57
          +2

          @McFly:

          That's a really great point. Very insightful and a well-structured, powerful retort. Thank you for sharing that with me. You are a very attractive, very smart, intuitive and successful person who achieves all of their goals — often exceeding expectations.

        • McFly on 23/03/2016 - 23:21

          @ausmechkeyboards: All that may well be true… but seriously, put aside the hate and re-evaluate.

        • ausmechkeyboards on 24/03/2016 - 00:00
          +4

          @McFly:

          Yes I'm the hateful one, not the people who support a country where the justice minister became the justice minister after saying "the entire Palestinian people is the enemy" and going through the mental gymnastics of explaining how every Palestinian — specifically emphasizing that it's not just the terrorists or PA — are the "enemy" and how (civilian) women and the elderly (yeah — she called out the pensioners too) are not exempt.

          Yeah, you should put aside the hate and re-evaluate.

        • [Deactivated] on 24/03/2016 - 21:42
          +1

          I'm Jewish. Nordic, young and female visiting my Israeli family and I was labelled high risk on the flight.
          Israel is hard on EVERYONE. It's not as salacious as some wish it was

        • Incrediho on 25/03/2016 - 15:30

          @ausmechkeyboards:

          If you want to equate strict border controls and potential profiling to laws that see women, LGBT and religious minorities and anyone who has the audacity to criticize or question the incumbent leadership or divine universal supremacy of Islam face incredibly severe, often corporal punishment - go ahead.

          The context and reality that Israel has an almost 20% arabic-muslim population that have a better quality of life, access to education, healthcare religious tolerance and tolerance of minorities, women and general human rights than is seen anywhere else in the Middle East. To equate their treatment of Palestinians to genocide and ethnic cleansing is grossly inaccurate.

          Also consider the historical context that the Israeli state (blame the Brits/UN if you want, but it happened - and "unmaking" a country isn't easy) created walls and strict borders due to numerous attempts by virtually all surrounding Muslim states to exterminate the entire populace (i.e. "drive them into the sea"). Again, for a people that faced one of the greatest (proportional AND absolute) genocides in human history; the reaction is understandable.

          I'd love to see credible evidence that Israel has attempted or managed what could be reasonably defined as genocide. Yes they have been overzealous in responding to rocket fire and in combination with Hamas' use of human shields - many civilians have died. But to say they are systematically trying to exterminate Palestinians because of their race, ethnicity or religion is chemtrails-level conspiracy. Sadly, the same cannot be said of the reverse - which is painfully apparent seeing the abhorrent treatment of Jews (and frequently Christians) in most Muslim-majority countries.

        • ausmechkeyboards on 25/03/2016 - 16:42

          @Incrediho:

          If you want to equate strict border controls and potential profiling to laws that see women, LGBT and religious minorities and anyone who has the audacity to criticize or question the incumbent leadership or divine universal supremacy of Islam face incredibly severe, often corporal punishment - go ahead.

          Pink washing is boring and somewhat stale.

          The context and reality that Israel has an almost 20% arabic-muslim population that have a better quality of life, access to education, healthcare religious tolerance and tolerance of minorities, women and general human rights than is seen anywhere else in the Middle East

          Yeah, no. Iraq is a much better example of a democracy where minorities hold more government and military positions than the majority, where women are actually seen as equal and have the same level of representation in government as Israel, and let's not talk about "general human rights" when Israel's military policy is to literally destroy it as a concept. DAE human rights is an open air prison and where we punish civilians for the actions of a dictatorship? Nice story. Should reference gay people a couple more times to make it more convincing.

          To equate their treatment of Palestinians to genocide and ethnic cleansing is grossly inaccurate.

          Ah so when the millions of people forced out of the country isn't ethnic cleansing. It's just forced immigration. Or something. I'm also sure that the justice minister calling for the extermination of all Palestinians, including the elderly, is just a term of endearment that those of us that aren't chosen by God simply don't understand, yeah?

          Also consider the historical context that the Israeli state (blame the Brits/UN if you want, but it happened - and "unmaking" a country isn't easy) created walls and strict borders due to numerous attempts by virtually all surrounding Muslim states to exterminate the entire populace (i.e. "drive them into the sea")

          "Israel is allowed to ethnically cleanse and genocide in 2016 because 70 years ago a bunch of Arabs tried to defend themselves against a hostile takeover from Europeans." What's best is your conflation of "Arab" and "non-Jewish Middle Eastern" with "Muslim." I didn't realize Lebanon was a Muslim country - TIL.

          Again, for a people that faced one of the greatest (proportional AND absolute) genocides in human history; the reaction is understandable.

          No it's not. No matter how hard you try to rationalize it, suffering does not mean you are allowed to make others suffer.

          I'm not going to bother reading or responding to the rest of your rhetoric. Keep living in your bubble where Jews are allowed to murder and displace because they, at some point in their history, have been murdered and displaced.

        • McFly on 25/03/2016 - 16:55

          @Incrediho: Valiant effort. I was about to say it was for naught but then I see you've already had that proven.
          I have a saying: Hate and reason are like atoms - the two can't exist in the same place at the same time.

        • Incrediho on 26/03/2016 - 13:09

          @ausmechkeyboards:

          If pinkwashing is bringing attention to a cause I genuinely care about; one where people are literally being LAWFULLY murdered in the most brutal fashion in large swathes of the Muslim world simply for loving people of the same sex - then sign me up… What a despicably pathetic way to address that criticism.

          I didn't want to indulge your mental gymnastics (and immease bias) beyond the the part where you said Iraq is a better example of democracy and human rights - but it's all a mess of a-factual drivel.

          Well exhibit A (amongst literally hundreds of others); homosexuality is a crime punishable by death in Iraq. Oh and for bonus points, exhibit B (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-groundtruth-project/kurdis…)

          Of the Middle Eastern countries that attempted to exterminate the Israeli Jews - all are Muslim majority (including Lebanon). Most are almost entirely Muslim, usually due to brutal historical persectuion, genocide or expulsion of their minority non-Muslim inhabitats. That trend continues and is another issue you deftly avoid - instead focusing on (false) semantics.

          Oh and the part where you said the justice minister called for the extermination of all Palestinians? Care to provide a quote? Because in context, it is pretty clear that while she has a hardline right-wing view - she doesn't advocate for the killing or "extermination" of Palestinians.

          "This is not a war against terror, and not a war against extremists, and not even a war against the Palestinian Authority. The reality is that this is a war between two people. Who is the enemy? The Palestinian people. Why? Ask them, they started it."

          Hard right wing? Yes. Counterproductive? I'd say so. Blaming the "other side" entirely without recognising nuance? Yep. Advocating genocide? Hell no! It was clearly in reference to the strong public ideological support of Hamas, suicide bombing etc.

          Here is some actual evidence for the above - learn what it looks like for next time you try to engage on a topic on deeply spurious grounds:
          http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religi…

        • Incrediho on 26/03/2016 - 13:23

          @ausmechkeyboards:

          Oh and you failed to explain how Isreal is exterminating or commiting genocide against Palestinians.

          If they were attempting such a feat they are failing miserably given:

          (1) As I mentioned above they are almost 20% Arab-Muslim who are given better rights and quality of life than they could expect anywhere else in the Middle East.

          (2) The number of Palestinians are growing extremely fast. They have more than doubled in 20 years from 1.9 to 4.4 million (2010)! This is much faster than most of the world (including Israeli Jews)

        • ausmechkeyboards on 26/03/2016 - 13:26
          -3

          @Incrediho:

          Yawn. Stopped reading anything you have to say when you tried to justify ethnic cleansing and genocide. No point in responding to me, because I don't really care about what two cents. Go shill for the Zionists on Whirlpool or something instead.

        • Incrediho on 26/03/2016 - 13:29

          @ausmechkeyboards:

          Heh. Run away in the face of compelling evidence; throwing a hideously slanderous smoke screen as you retreat.

          Bye :)

        • ausmechkeyboards on 26/03/2016 - 13:54

          @Incrediho:

          The peanut is not a nut, but rather a legume

        • McFly on 26/03/2016 - 23:57

          @Incrediho: Yeah, stop trying to justify ethnic cleansing and genocide with your facts and logic and stuff!

          Meanwhile, back on topic - and back in the real world - Janet Jackson is about to perform at the Dubai World Cup (horse race.)

        • ausmechkeyboards on 28/03/2016 - 12:47

          @McFly:

          However, for culinary purposes and in common English language usage, peanuts are usually referred to as nuts.

      • Baghern on 22/03/2016 - 22:06

        You don't use fake passports, you alter real passports. Using Israeli citizens foreign passports is the easiest way, at the same time you'd cause even bigger diplomatic explosion if you get caught using the non Israeli citizens passports.

  • [Deactivated] on 22/03/2016 - 22:55

    just say you are a jew and you're loaded?

    • mrgeckoz on 23/03/2016 - 22:02
      +1

      but ppl in Dubai are probably loaded even more =S

  • natman on 22/03/2016 - 23:20

    Just make sure you don't say anything bad about allah, don't shake someone's hand the wrong way, if you get raped don't report it. There is a minor punishment for these crimes of 100 lashings followed by having your head chopped off.

    • jovialjosie2002 on 23/03/2016 - 18:45
      -2

      Yer a woman is raped …reports it…then gets charged with "sex out of marriage"…but it's OK cause " all Western women are SL*ts" and she should have had her genitals mutilated to appease the dictator.
      Because her genetalia is intact…. She must have enjoyed being raped.

  • [Deactivated] on 22/03/2016 - 23:41
    +1

    I'm telling you that the airport staff there will be trained to recognize Israeli city names on passports.
    They will turn you back.
    In fact it wouldn't surprise me if the embassy staff have been told 'tell them it will probably be okay but we can't guarantee anything', just to screw as many Jews over as they can.

    I'm not Jewish or Middle Eastern but after living in Northern Africa and Asia I can tell you that you're doomed to fail on this one. Just go via another country, perhaps Bangkok.

    • Ozbarganator 2000 on 23/03/2016 - 19:24

      @murphy84 That is exactly what the UAE embassy in Canberra told my friend. He asked for written evidence in case he has any issues, and was told they can't provide that.

  • Donaldhump on 23/03/2016 - 00:22
    +5

    stop in saudi arabia instead

  • YoursTruly on 23/03/2016 - 03:50
    +1

    OP, to find the answer you need you should really ask yourself this question:

    'how would Israel handle the situation if it were the other way round?' (i.e. An Arab visiting/ transiting via Israel?)

    (hint: It's always a two way street)

    • BargainCowboy on 23/03/2016 - 06:12
      +1

      Israel accepts all nationalities on transit flights.

  • teehee on 23/03/2016 - 06:50
    +2

    wow a lot of hearsay advice in this thread. "A friend of a friend" type.

  • jovialjosie2002 on 23/03/2016 - 10:11

    If he is born in Tel-Aviv, change the name to Spring Hill. Or if he is born in Baer Sheva change it to Seven Wells. I have a friend who did this with her passport. In other words….anglocise the Hebrew name of the town you were born in. On a more serious note….why visit or fly with an Arab airline in the first place?….I personally would never fly with one of there airlines especially after a friend who worked for one….they are all dodgy. Fly Singapore Cathay Thai or Korean before an Arab airline.

    • xyron on 23/03/2016 - 17:25
      +3

      I had no idea that's what the English translations of those city-names were. Interesting!

      Stupidest thing about all of this is that both my Aussie and UK passports say my place of birth is "Woodville South" (a suburb of Adelaide - where the Queen Elizabeth Hospital is located). Why don't they just say "Adelaide"? It is especially amusing to me to have a random western Adelaide suburb as the named place of birth on my UK passport - a suburb that would mean absolutely nothing to 99.999% of UK residents.

    • [Deactivated] on 23/03/2016 - 18:12
      +1

      erm, actually they are funded by governments of filthy rich oil nations that are desperate to create tourism income whilst the oil dries up.

      Emirates or Qatar Airways would be safer than the average air line.

      You're basically talking out of your….

      • jovialjosie2002 on 23/03/2016 - 18:41
        -2

        I worked in Saudi for two years 98-00….I worked for their airforce….former RAAF maintenance…. Arabs are hopelessly imcompetant…. Full stop. Without foreign workers, especially philipino and Australians(at the time) the entire airforce would have collapsed in 2 weeks. I won't fly with any Arab airlines. And now that Qantas is sharing with them…. Forget Qantas as well. Fly with them all you want, just don't blame me when they fall out of the sky or give you bad service. Emirates is the world leader in "over booking" flights. You turn upnto the airport and get sent home.

    • Ozbarganator 2000 on 23/03/2016 - 19:28
      +1

      I think once his passport is up for renewal he will request that the Place of Birth be removed (if the Australian Govt permits it).

      • peterpeterpumpkin on 23/03/2016 - 20:18
        +2

        Canada allows this but even then doesn't recommend it, since you can have trouble entering some countries (potentially defeating its original purpose).

        Speaking of Canada, at the rate the world is going us and Canada might end up being one of the few semi-harmonious multi-cultural countries left in 20 years or so. But even that is debatable.

    • peterpeterpumpkin on 23/03/2016 - 20:10
      +1

      DFAT actually gives the "Spring Hills" example as something that's not allowed (since it's "commonly known to the international community in its English translation") (http://dfat.gov.au/about-us/publications/corporate/passports…). Whether this is strictly enforced is another matter.

      • jovialjosie2002 on 23/03/2016 - 21:36

        My friend has "spring hill" in her passport. I have seen it. However, her common Israeli first name would probably give her away anyway, together with her Israeli accent. She was born in Tel-Aviv. There is a spring hill in Brisbane and another one near kyneton in Victoria.

    • Jackson on 23/03/2016 - 23:30
      +2

      Because Emirates is one of the best airlines in the world to fly with. I know 3 people working with them and they are not dodgy at all. In my personal experience they are better than Qantas who they code share with and many of the Qantas flights to Europe end up being Emirates flights on the second leg. Food, entertainment, prices, and in this case he is also using his ff points so he's saving money not using another airline

      • [Deactivated] on 24/03/2016 - 08:02

        I do fly Emirates to Europe because they offer the shortest total travel time. The staff are generally good. But that's because they're all foreign workers :)

        But I don't like the airport. And I most certainly wouldn't go to Dubai for anything other than a few hour transit stop

  • [Deactivated] on 23/03/2016 - 19:21

    Your other options are Cathay pacific, Singapore airlines and China southern. Or Malaysian airlines if you have good life insurance. Transit through Asia it's not worth the risk.

    • enzioFirenze on 23/03/2016 - 21:16
      +2

      actually transit through Asia is a good experience too, especially through Changi, SIN and I hear it's good in South Korea too although I haven't been there.

      • [Deactivated] on 23/03/2016 - 23:30
        +2

        Sorry I should have used punctuation. I meant… Transit in Asia; going through Dubai in the OPs situation is not worth the risk

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