208cc 4-stroke Big Wheel Drift Trikes
Sold around the world, Made tough for riders up to 150kgs and 6'5
Essentially an adult version of the huffy slider.
They come mostly pre-assembled in a 148 x 107 x 74cm Crate.
The 95kg crate usually costs between $200 and $500 to ship nationwide
Until the end of the month, get free shipping with the promo code 'Penguin'
Fat drifter… what an appealing name
They are pretty fat.. we didn't come up with the product name.
Its like a regular Drifter, except motorised so you don't get any exercise.
illegal to ride………..
can be brought for half the price:
http://bdmotor.en.alibaba.com/product/60306313895-801042406/…
Wow, savage.. And what price does it say on that link?
$AU2500 Is the MSRRP. I know what they cost
There are only 2 authorized importers in Australia.
Meaning no one else can order them in.. but if you did, Just One unit would cost $2500 due to shipping, customs, currency conversion etc.
illegal to ride………..
indeed this can not be ridden in any public space (roads, footpaths, parks, ovals, skate parks, police chases through shopping malls etc)
these are only legal to use in your own private property and heavy fines ($2500+) and loss of car/vehicle licence applies if caught.
There are only 2 authorized importers in Australia.
Hahaha, new at dealing with Chinese exporters, huh? :-)
They don't sell to anyone else… they send all inquiry to us..
I had a chat to a guy who imported a test unit before there was anyone importing bulk..
His single import cost $2500… so have a crack… contact them.
Only for use on private property I imagine?
illegal to ride???
No street legal, not designed for Australian roads.
Plenty of places to ride them, including BYO Go kart tracks, at practice sessions etc
So by buying this, I will need to buy a car with tow bar and a trailer to transports the cart?
People who buy them either have a ute/trailer already, or opt to ride them in their street, if it isnt a main road
or opt to ride them in their street
so you are condoning the illegal use of these? (see my previous comment above)
People do what they want with their property.. we've never sold one to someone that has nowhere to use it. We advise people where they can and cant ride them. They have clear markings stating they're not compliant with australian design rules for registration. they have import approval.
they have import approval.
i call bullshit, on what grounds did you need to get approval? having been in and around importing and exporting (of mostly vehicles and some firearm related items) for decades i am not aware that this could possibly be an item that would need any specific import approval?
@nosdan: https://infrastructure.gov.au/vehicles/imports/
I paid for an application… I have a certificate and an approval number… Why are you so filled with hate and driven by this irrational compulsion to be right about things?
"We advise people where they can and cant ride them"
by showing them on public roads in your advertising material on your website?
90% of my advertising and customer base comes through facebook.. either comments or inbox… people are told specifically what they can and cant do with these, and given a warning document. Not a single trike has been sold to anyone that was mislead in any way about where to use them. This happened to be the location our photograpger met with us, and it was a carefully selected secluded area. Anything else you want from me?
@rob327c:
so then you wouldnt mind showing a copy of said certificate then?
i dont see how your importation of a "toy" somehow comes under the same import rules for vehicles ("vehicles" meaning on road, registered, ADR approved vehicles) that your link implies?
ive done a whole heap of importing of both "vehicles" (including compliance etc for road use) and "non vehicles" such as your thingie, vast differences in importing rules and regs and again i call bullshit on your claim that you had to have specific import approval for your toy.
or are you simply referring to an import approval for the shipping container and not the content? thus meaning you have no import approval for the trike but just for a shipment of uncontrolled goods?
https://infrastructure.gov.au/vehicles/imports/import_option…
If I show you the import approval certificate would you be any more inclined to purchase one?
@rob327c:
it just keeps getting better… so this device is under 200w? and is specifically marketed as "non road" device is it? did you even read the link you used or did it just support what you thought was a believable statement and hoped i would not read the whole thing?
from your link
Motorised Scooters
To gain a non-road assessment, a motorised scooter must have a maximum power output of 200 watts or less.
Technical specifications issued by the manufacturer, including evidence of the power output, should be attached to the application form.Please note that where a motorised scooter exceeds 200 watts, it is considered a LA/LB (Moped) under the national standards or a LC (Motorcycle) and must comply with the requirements of other import options. These vehicles cannot be imported as ‘non-road’ vehicles unless they meet other non-road vehicle requirements.
so once again i call bullshit, you did not get these imported under "non road vehicles" as you have claimed because (as my understanding of the laws go) they can not be classed as such…
did i forget to mention… ive been doing this quite a while now? while im no lawyer and dont claim to know everything or never be wrong, some things stick out to me as obvious within my working knowledge of the laws.
@rob327c:
Hahahaha that shut him up!!
That was fun to read, i was on the edge of my seat and just could not stop reading.
Hahahaha that shut him up!!
of course it did, only a complete (profanity) moron would not understand that posting proof of claims is exactly what i was asking for all along, tho its just opened up more questions for me because going by the link rep originally supplied it can not pass the rules for what it seems hes got the approval for (specifically the 200w limit) and makes me wonder if he originally got compliance for a governed/restricted version.
/me jots hirolol down in his notepad.
love george carlin (nsfw)
@nosdan: they don't fall under the 200w category as they are not electric.. The approval is for a 'non transport vehicle' exempt from the Australian design rules for road vehicles as it is not intended to be a road registered vehicle. It doesn't have indicators, the correct ground clearance or any other features of road vehicles. They have not been banned so importation, even domestic manufacture is completely legal.
they don't fall under the 200w category as they are not electric..
well (profanity) me, now that you have informed me that petrol powered engines/vehicles can not be measured in watts im going to have to write strongly worded letters to every vehicle manufacturer in the world because they all seem to use KiloWatt as their rated power output… see here for example, the falcon they misrepresent as outputting 176 kilowatts. how stupid of a multi billion dollar manufacturer to measure their products in an incorrect unit..
if only they could measure the output of petrol versions of these to be under 200w (or 0.2kw) then they would be able to make them comply with australian laws…
fwiw someone i know got his petrol powered mountain bike confiscated and tested/proven to be over the 200w limit and was fined and lost his car drivers licence. so yes it can be done and does happen…
They have not been banned so importation, or even domestic manufacture is completely legal.
i thought id made it pretty clear with my very first post on this deal that im well aware that the product is not illegal, its just the use of the product virtually everywhere that is illegal, its kinda like bongs/pipes arent illegal (or at least wernt, im not a smoker) but using them was illegal
@nosdan: it's a 4kw motor. No tampering or loop holes are utilised as part of the import or sales process
I thought I'd made it pretty clear
.. That they have all safety warnings on them stating they are not road legal. And are known to be so, by all who've purchased them, or made an inquiry. This upfront honesty has potentially cost a lot of sales, but It's better to not sell one than to have a frustrated, regretful buyer who can't utilise their purchase
product location shots seem to imply these are for using on suburban streets….
http://s29.postimg.org/f4t0sm6o7/Australia_s_Best_Motorized_…
whats going on there? these are high powered go karts right for use on dedicated tracks right?
"Do not use them on the open road or footpath as harm may occur to the rider or bystanders. Operate only on hard, smooth surfaces. Always wear a helmet and necessary personal protective equipment."
….so why are your product location shots & advertising illustrating use on public roads?
this was an early photo shoot… there's now video on youtube of them on a track and industrial car park..
There is a lot of photos and video of our buyers riding them where ever they choose.
….if you have new location shots in suitable environments why arent you only using them?
Because i havent redone the website yet, it's low priority to change the pics and it's trivial.
Interested people see they're fun
@rob327c: ….low priority showing your product being used illegally on australian roads?
will these guys consider it a low priority?
Advertising Standards Bureau
https://adstandards.com.au/
and industrial car park..
if there is street access to your car park (IE its not fenced off from the street and anyone, at any time, can just drive in… ITS STILL (profanity) ILLEGAL
You're pretty keen to goto that length…
Care was taken, it was a new suburb with no houses or pedestrians.
We do advise buyers where not to ride them.
Havent redone the site as our focus is sales, and a lot of business is done via facebook
@franco cozzo: rep is obviously trying to imply that riding these on public roads is an ok thing to do. if rep was honest about the legalities of these from the get go the sales would drop off drastically….
@nosdan: Very assumptive. Rep is completely honest about where to ride them.. People who actually buy them, rather than troll ozbargain, are made fully aware.
I started this because its a fun product, and well made compared to some of the crap i'd seen from competing factories.. Getting an insane amount of hate from people… Start a business they said.. It'll be fun they said.
Getting an insane amount of hate from people…
protip from someone thats worked for decades both in retail, wholesale and importing/exporting: people dont like getting lied to or have things misrepresented.
if offering my experience of laws, regulations and personal experiences to help out others in the community is "hate" you best take a spoon full of concrete and HTFU princess
@rob327c: you've been misleading about where and when your 'vehicle' can be used and even admitted to illegally using your own product in public spaces.
As a seller or representative of your product you should be adhering to the law. What your customers do with your product is their problem but you should be honest about its legal use on private property only.
'Industrial' carparks are not a legal use area if there is still access for public, neither is using it on your own street, which is public roads and illegal.
Car manufacturers can't advertise their products doing illegal things but your advertising actively encourages it, do you realise that can be a big liability for you? especially when you admit some of your customers clearly lack common sense using your product in conditions its not designed for.
You're being called out here because you're trying to dance around the issue of your products legal use, its as simple as that.
@rob327c:
mate, i suggest you stop replying to the people just commenting over and over for shits and giggle. They are not wanting to buy and dont really care if the product is legal or not etc, they are just trying to stir things up (but you already know that I guess)
To be fair, from their website:
WARNING - DISCLAIMER
This product should not be used on public roads and should not be used by minors without constant adult supervision. Troublesome Trike's Motorized Drift Trikes are not road legal. Do not use them on the open road or footpath as harm may occur to the rider or bystanders.
The photos seem to be taken in an estate that was under construction so probably not public road yet.
……product location shots have street signs visible so i doubt that. irrespective if its not on a dedicated track or private property its illegal to operate….
can we get part the location shots? Noone is wearing a helmet either..
Rider's discretion..
can we get past your advertising?
no ….not if its encouraging irresponsible / illegal use of your product.
Not much else i can say other than these are pictures of the product being used and enjoyed. Not people hunting for negatives
If it has public access itsa public road and illegal.
If its an estate under construction without public access its then private property, however if they are not the owner of estate shown it becomes trespass as i highly doubt they have permission from the landowners.
Either way its illegal.
http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/news/drift-trike-riders…
Linked site has guys in thongs and baseball caps, if there's nothing in your head you don't need a helmet.
Actually, in a flat, open area, they're impossible to roll.
With the mining boom winding down it must be getting harder to sell these. Not surprised at all the story above is from Townsville.
We're in Brisbane actually..
I've never sold one to anyone in the mines..
The guys who go downhill at stupid speeds in the middle of the night are absolutely breaking the law… These are motorized trikes, designed for flat ground. Facebook users recently suggested several spots in sydney for us to visit on a promotional trip there and we replied to each one of them stating it was stupid to use trikes downhill, on an open road in darkness and any unpredictable circumstance
Probably best to let this bargain slide…..
Makes no difference to be honest..
People throwing objections aren't buyers anyway.. Always a chance someone keen will see it.
The fatal flaw is still that this is an 'advertisement', not a 'bargain'. Sorry, OP, it doesn't belong on OzBargain.
When i offer to cover the hundreds it takes to ship these things around the country, how is that not a bargain?
I can't advertise below the msrp, so Free shipping is the offer. The last one i sent cost $370
Rep, please learn how to deal with negative feedback. You are digging yourself a bigger hole the more you get riled up and reply to every negative comment in a casual way.
For example, look at how bigger companies like Woolworths reply to negative feedback on Facebook pages.
look at how bigger companies like Woolworths reply to negative feedback on Facebook pages.
yea, they usually factually and timely reply and have learnt the hard way not to feed bullshit to their customers over social media because its well known how quickly bullshit gets pointed out online? is that what you meant?
The comments are comical. Yes it is not a car or bike or motorbike hence not street legal, common sense?
Officially imported as an offroad vehicle, and exempt from the Australian design rules for road registered vehicles.
Never stated, intended or implied to be legal to ride to the shops to get some ben & jerry's
I know mate. I laugh at those that complain about the limitations of said device.
Rep is getting way too involved in discussion. Learn how to communicate with the public. You are representing your business, not just a discussion with somebody on be Internet.
Don't get involved in arguments, and handle questions professionally. I gave you a positive + because some people are being a bit harsh. But hopefully you'll know for next time.
know for next time it's not worth it… but thanks mate.
I run this thing by myself… I'm defending it. admittedly to no avail
Hilarious thread. Yuppies don't want bogans to have fun? Not everyone is into skiing, golf and kite-surfing :-)
If it was a motorised golf buggy we would not have this argument.
You would on ozbargain if advertising material showed it illegaly being used on public roads and the OP does nothing to discourage the illegal use of their wares, and of course tries to BS their way around said illegal use!
Once people buy it its their problem but the merchant should be open and clear about discouraging illegal use, car manufacturers in australia can't adevertise their vehicles doing anything illegal why should a unregisterable 'vehicle' be allowed to advertise doing something illegal?
People are interested, or they arent.. I've never had anyone mention the photos on the website. Most people find us on facebook.
We do discourage illegal use. Actively on social media, and on delivery to buyers.
I'll forget about making sales and put a few pointless hours in to redoing my website to satisfy the nitpickers on ozbargain
I commend you for doing it on your social media pages and on delivery to buyers, which i assume is reading material outlining the legal use of your gear.
It just hasn't happened here, thats all, there are people out their that will look past your advertising and use common sense. My experience tells me there are too many that don't, hence why some would like clear and definitive warnings about the legality of items, which again hasn't happened here.
I do wish you luck with your business.
@sigh: People don't buy them without having some sort of contact with us… Within 2 hours of my base i personally deliver them. If it's interstate, we talk before delivery, and after it. I've never let anyone buy one with nowhere to ride them.. I'm not woolworths… I'm one guy, having a crack at something that i thought was fun.
Changing the pics on my site will not increase sales for me. Buyers are fully aware of the legality. Anyone mislead or lacking common sense will be schooled before i take their money because i refuse to have one customer dissatisfied with what i'm doing…
Couldnt afford one myself but, geez, they look fun to muck around in.
ROFL at the uber-lame "experts" here on Ozbargain who are harassing this merchant.
I wonder if they are those same experts have zero problems with importation of illegal, non-approved electrical products?
These comments are pure gold.
Giving OP an extra hard time because it shows a guy illegally using it on a street.
so much butthurt.
I suspect a pedal version is illegal on the road too. and a green machine.
I suspect a pedal version is illegal on the road too
on what grounds? the act of riding a drift trike in and of its self should be completely within legality altho its intended use, "drifting", would be considered "effective loss of control of a vehicle" and last time i was fined for that it was around the $500 mark from memory, i forget if it attracted demerits but i assume it would. you would also have to wear an approved bicycle helmet i would imagine. the only other issue i might see would be from the plastic wheels being classed as "unsafe" someone for road use but again im not sure i could see that happen because you have no design rules to go by for a human powered toy.
a motorised version (petrol or electric) of your toy which is governed to under 200W should also be completely legal to ride on roads or footpaths as well afaik, the issue you come into is that over 200W its considered a "motor vehicle" and no longer a "toy" which makes me wonder how you got your import approval
By your last paragraph it would also be illegal to import go karts. There are 1000w electric trikes that are also imported without issue.
After 5 months without it being suggested, or realising the possibility of the photos being misconceived, I've changed them. I'm not in the business of misleading anyone. Been fair and honest since I started this and that photo shoot was an oversight. Now rectified. A little diplomacy would have been appreciated rather than trying to drag me through the mud.
By your last paragraph it would also be illegal to import go karts.
even by the links you sent me yesterday (before finally sending me a copy of your import approval. thank for finally clearing that up), which partly i pasted bak to you in my replies, it shows why gokarts and 1000w trikes would not be illegal to import (and there for would not need import approval as far as i understood it), tehy are not market as or for road use, only for use on your own private property, so do not need to comply with any regulations, specifically the 200W limit.
also thanks for answering question i asked you in my previous reply…. on what grounds would you think that a non motorised trike would be illegal on the road? or was that just an uneducated guess?
Its not 'butthurt' at all.
Nearly all the comments against this post have been the total disregard for the illegal use of such a product. The OP even promotes it with advertising material, admits to its illegal use to promote his wares and then justifies the illegal use of a unregisterable and illegal 'vehicle' all while saying he doesn't promote such use. Which is it?
Honesty goes a lot further in a public forum, but OP wants to stick to his hypocritical stance. Thats opens him up to this criticism. Any other rep on this forum would face the same criticism.
Illegal use is not at all promoted or encouraged. The possibility of this being assumed by anyone actually interested in the product has now been removed.
has now been removed.
while i commend you on taking this step towards distancing yourself from illegal use of your product it is just a pity you tried to justify it to every ends you could before finally doing the right thing
have a plus from me :)
This seller is far beyond irresponsible for putting photos up on the site of someone riding one in thongs!
Would be extremely dangerous to use wearing just thongs imagine if a thong slipped off and your feet hit the ground while riding one, its stupid to put the idea out there that its safe to use with thongs by having photos like that.
Also the site has video of one being ridden on a normal road with houses.
The seller said earlier quote "Care was taken, it was a new suburb with no houses or pedestrians."
but what about this video they have of one being ridden in an obviously established suburb.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gCKFxDZzxM
The esky was also unregistered…
The owner of that one has done several viral videos in the street. Where the neighbours all look on from a safe distance.
What's with people attacking my business?
It's seriously shameful and pathetic.
Where do you work, so i can throw mud at how you earn a living.
Well Sir you seem to have control issues.
I merely saw this post and thought it was okay at first until I saw how ridiculous your website was having people in thongs riding these and videos of illegal riding on public roads which is irresponsible and you are trying to sell these legitimately?
You post something on Ozbargain and expect everyone to bow down to, believe,praise and follow everything you say?
You don't like my site… So you go for the throat and post links to alternative products that make it appear as though mine cost $400…
I didnt forsee such a backlash for what people were wearing , or the out of the way location selected for the shoot.
@rob327c: Out of the way location. A standard suburban street in this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gCKFxDZzxM
@ONSALE: And I'm sure you are replying for the good of the community and not just being an asshole………Sure Sure
@ONSALE: you already used that one… as i said, the culdesac was empty.. the neighbours were all watching it being filmed. there was no traffic entering the street… It was a viral video in the same spot 2 had previously been filmed by the esky guy.. Apologies you're offended.
@rob327c: It was illegal no matter if the neighbours were all watching. Also so every single one of your neighbours approves do they? the whole street?
@ONSALE: Ok, youre right… you win… congrats..
I've only bought things on ozbargain before and never commented or read much into them..
I didn't realize it was fair game to expose an importer and relentlessly nit pick their marketing
and integrity. Also didnt realiZe that deals or comments cant be deleted. So we've come too far to turn back now…
If you have a problem with the photos, the price, the supplier, or my integrity…
Then you're not a customer in the first place, and never were, so your opinion is absolutely worthless.
I hope someone comes along and tears apart something you've put time and effort into one day.
Well there isn't much integrity posting photos of these being ridden in thongs and also being ridden illegally on public roads.
@ONSALE: a curse word? LOL
You shared your opinion….so why do you continue to argue for the sake of arguing?
@Bugs: You and the poster are the ones in the wrong. The law is on my side. He posted videos of illegal use of the trike in advertising and doesn't seem to care.
Let's stay on-topic (Free Shipping on 'Fat Drifter' Motorized Drift Trikes - From $2500 Shipped @ Troublesome Trikes) and refrain from personal attacks.
@ONSALE: It doesn't imply that it's legal to do so, if anyone is lead to believe so they are set straight when they buy them. The question often comes up and we tell them they are not road legal. You're fixated on it… many people would just see it and think they look fun
why is there nothing being done about the promotion of illegal use of this product? if it was someone talking about drinking alcohol, getting hammered then driving down these same streets everyone would be up in arms, but you seem to completely overlook the illegal acts here? i realise all you really care about is clicks/ad revenue but stooping to allowing obviously illegal acts to be pushed/promoted is low even for this site….
If you believe there are illegal acts being committed, you should contact your local police. I see you are in South Australia, you can contact them via here. They might be able to assist you.
Perhaps the ACMA may be of use as well.
As per our previous conversations, feel free to contact us in the Talk with a Moderator forum to discuss this issue and other issues you are having.
Price in title please